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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V65, Standard stock sampai tak boleh stock la

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davidke20
post Nov 24 2014, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(DonMe @ Nov 24 2014, 07:02 AM)
I suspect is the fan thou, cause last month my fan relay spoiled am, then fan keep spinning, but when compressor kicks in, rpm doesn't drop. Then after replacing the relay, got 1 night drove without ac, then stopped at red light, fan kicks in and my headlight dim with rpm drop. hmm.gif
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Panai wor rclxms.gif Put more grounding can ady nod.gif



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post Nov 24 2014, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 24 2014, 12:11 AM)
On highway cruising not obvious, start go traffic a bit more often. sad.gif
So lansi got a job. whistling.gif
Fix je la, moo lah got di right.
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Not lansi bcoz got a job. Getting a new job nowadays is so much insecured compare to stay in a crappy komani whistling.gif I understand your konsen geh. So I sensor now la. I used to work in AmBank just like n3w, which their insurance offer no road assist unless pay extra RM80 for PA coverage whistling.gif Corrrect me if ayam wrong flex.gif
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post Nov 24 2014, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Nov 24 2014, 07:20 AM)
im from kch, working here in miri.
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Aiyo! Pasola update sudah enti sad.gif
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post Nov 24 2014, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Nov 24 2014, 07:39 AM)
Hi davidke20  wave.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 09:38 PM

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So far, the best Plotong original produced 15" alloy wheels, these are my preference

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Wajunk Kampro

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Personga

Both not compatible with GaGa sad.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 25 2014, 09:19 PM)
My rims also look 14 inch from far sleep.gif
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dry.gif Your rim looks 14, mine looks 12 izit dry.gif

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post Nov 25 2014, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Pepper @ Nov 25 2014, 09:52 PM)
hi,
i need some help
just now i come to my proton
i noticed my proton got a small beeping noise
i kenot unlock the car have to use the key to open it
i kenot start the enjin :C like twist the key nothing happen
i kenot lock the car have to use the key but i can unlock the car with key after that

issit my battery kong? :C
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Could be bat3 KO, could your alarm module sot ady. Now, can you start your car? When you use key to unlock, does centre lock unlock all other doors or only the driver door? If only the driver door, high possibility is bat3 KO. If not, take out the key and make sure you keep it in your pocket. Keep atleast 2 doors opened, pop the hood, detach the bat3 negative terminal for 10 seconds and plonk back. Usually your alarm will automatically trigger, use your remote control fob to turn it off. By right everything will be back to normal. If it doesn't, probably alarm module got water go inside become sot jor
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:02 PM

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Since talked about rims

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I think A7 rim looks perfect on BLMs

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Off topic abit, the crack butt finally being replaced

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Tengkiu SiuYi! Owe you this since my birday notworthy.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 25 2014, 10:11 PM)
From far looked 14, near see see aiya, tayar besar biggrin.gif

Paiseh 15, still rocking the rims woohoo.
Walao, changed rims again? Alza rims really looked good on the car!
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Not mai kar lar sleep.gif I post that foto for SiuYi coz he helped me got the good deal for that bamper repleismen nia sleep.gif
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post Nov 26 2014, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 26 2014, 11:59 AM)
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my first bodykit transaction after returning from tongsan. perhaps the last too.
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Will you consider to continue it as a side income thing? Incase people find, then you offer lor. Infact, ayam actually looking for the saisket & front bamper liao rolleyes.gif Now the rear bamper so fat so low, make the car looks like butt too big sweat.gif
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post Nov 26 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(carcraze66 @ Nov 26 2014, 07:13 PM)
drool.gif  ayam also wanna change my number plate light to white haha...any sugguestion which type led best? i dont want ah beng blue led  blush.gif  whats the led bulb size ya?

one more thing talking about led, i somehow heard before people say that if we change our flx reverse light to led type will cause error? dont know how far true is this thats why till now dont dare change  sweat.gif

tenkiu  notworthy.gif
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The 1 that caused error is 3rd berak lamp, ECU linked checksum error due to irregular voltage usage.

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post Nov 27 2014, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 27 2014, 12:19 PM)
Mine is FLX so the only path to earth for the brakes when not operating is via the 3rd lamp, as I found out rather quickly it seems the canbus uses this to check for a blown filament and pops up a dash warning if no earth path is found. I used a 1.5 k resistor that was handy in my resistor box to provide a small current that seems to satisfy canbus.

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Off topic, just how often do you see an S16 running around ever since FLX+ was introduced hmm.gif Wondering can we get a special episode of Mighty Car Mods to look into mods on S16 or FLX+ hmm.gif

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post Nov 27 2014, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 27 2014, 01:25 PM)
I've seen one other in my town, same colour driven by an mature woman.
Protons are not popular here possibly due to being unfairly denigrated, I had no interest in one until I saw how much car you got for the money and that it appeared to be an easy to service car. I didn't read of any reliability issues that waved a red flag of avoid about them.
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Ahhh..... That explains everything



QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 27 2014, 01:25 PM)
I knew of the Lotus input to handling but that still came as a rather pleasant surprise upon driving.
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Hmm...

http://youtu.be/vRcTOtxDWSM?t=5m3s

Our local folks complaint about the harsh ride of the FLX laugh.gif
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post Nov 27 2014, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 27 2014, 03:42 PM)
A modification I've done but have yet to drive enough to judge it.
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It's sort of reverse to the usual trying to extract power mod, in this case I'm trying to adjust the output of the lambda sensor to try and get the ECU to lean the mixture a tad. It's more difficult to do than the usual reverse mod as the voltage must be raised, which is difficult due to having to be isolated from the cars ground.
I didn't fancy cutting the stock sensor wiring so I grabbed an aftermarket one here sensor
The Hyundai plug is the same as ours and all these standard sensors should have the same results.
The solar panel has no need to be fancy, we're only seeking 100mV or so, something like this is what I usedpanel
I just stuck mine in an old bit of tube and taped it up a bit, shown here user posted image

Anyway food for thought, maybe some will get ideas. My thinking was that car makers tend to be conservative with settings so there should be a bit of leeway to adjust mixture, mine is actually set to add 70 mV to the sensor and it doesn't throw an error code nor does anything seem amiss with its running.
The downstream sensor will also tend to think the catalytic converter is quite healthy with this little gadget.
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That's what I have in mind laugh.gif Just that I curious where to get the sockets to make the backup sensor works, so can prevent cutting wires to the original sensor hmm.gif kenjilew?
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post Nov 29 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 29 2014, 12:12 PM)
I'll agree with that but I'd be very surprised if it performs better than the stock filter. On a positive note it's likely that the pod filter element will be much easier and cheaper to replace than the very rare stock filter element that I will very likely order on-line from Malaysia.
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Don't order from Malaysia. Our local fuckers rebadged it as WORKS ENGINEERING, so it looks more US rather than Taiwanese. That way, can sell at higher price whistling.gif

http://www.lelong.com.my/works-usa-stainle...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Might as well directly order from Taiwan whistling.gif

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301014875103?ss...984.m1423.l2649

They're the exact same stuff. Why pay more for a rebadged, over priced, heavier shipping cost version whistling.gif
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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 29 2014, 05:54 AM)
Thanks for that video, it's actually an ad that I'd never seen, it must have been broadcast on our free TV, which much rank as one of the world's worst services so I hardly bother with it any more. The 3 years breakdown service came as quite a surprise when I bought "Daisy" but it's not something I plan of ever using, my fear of telephones will ensure I'll do everything possible myself to avoid using it.

Now a question for all, finding any CVT issues online is rare, is it fair to say our Punch VT2 unit is pretty decent, at least with more recent firmware, or is there a hidden flaw that's affecting many users?
Personally I'm convinced most car transmissions will in the very near future be CVT, it achieves by its very nature what other types of transmissions work hard to emulate, but at higher cost.
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The above is extra info about other's CVT problem from a different car. Don't bother to read if you're not interested. For FLX, so far the only CVT issues I've heard:

1) Use wrong type of transmission fluid, jammed the whole damn thing. Guess who did it? Plotong authorized service center
2) Shift lever sensor malfunction, stuck with P/N often.
3) Shift lever "P" lock botton always break into trillion pieces
4) Belt position sensor malfunction

Basically 1~3 are human error that causes the tranny dead. Thus far, haven't heard of any serious mechanical failure YET, and hopefully will not hear it for a very long time to come.


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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 29 2014, 03:39 PM)
#1 is something that should be in every CVT owner's mind, our oil company sites still indicate 7+ litres of ATF for our cars as it seems they haven't discovered Proton using CVT yet. If a service places goes online to check then trouble will follow.
#3, yes I've seen that but regard it as a mere trifle, perhaps I'll have a 3d printer by the time it occurs.

The reliability issues I'm interested in involve the Punch VT2.

I rather like it that the Punch box uses and old motorcycle like multiplate wet clutch, my thinking is it reduces complexity and will help efficiency/economy. It also may puzzle nearby people when our cars take off like a manual but then just gain speed without revving.
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Design wise, that is as much we can say. Plotong choose to utilize VT2, and it was sold as is. Some of our forum member kind enough contacted Punch, got some reply regarding the jerking issue during cold start and stop/go traffic was due to firmware issue, which Plotong did not match our Kampro with their transmission firmware properly. Otherwise, it's the position sensor.

On the side note, we also uses a Datsun manual tranny in a GaGa BLM 5MT (No the Oz version of S16 uses a different tranny than the 1 we're using locally doh.gif )
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post Nov 29 2014, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 29 2014, 06:33 PM)
The pic, big LOL.

Means that you can get a sport clutch similar to those Nissans, us getrag manual left to shame, stuck with stock clutch. whistling.gif

Maybe TitanRev can enlighten us on new kangtao clutch? smile.gif
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Nismo made Langley 1.5 Tebu klac to be exact nod.gif
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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 29 2014, 10:32 PM)
Wouldn't that be too hardcore for normal street usage? yawn.gif

Would be a heavy clutch kan
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Try Plotong Shawie 1.2 stock Renault klac nod.gif It will snap your left leg any point of time, have not include traffic jam infront of KLCC. It's not a performance klac. It went slipped several time when I taking my Shawie for time attack. The klac will loose traction if I do 6krpm launch, instead of wheel spin nod.gif

So here's a thing for you to dig into, study how a manual clutch work, then you justify what is hardcore and what's not nod.gif Usually tebu or NS street car klac has very little different interns of mechanical design. If it's a standard klac, the most different between a performance klac and street use klac will be as below:

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1) Performance clutch pad has rough and high friction power facing(pads). Usually they worn off very quickly compare to street use pads. Certain design of the clutch plate will have separated spokes to increase friction and air venting function, just like people lay grooves on their disc brake rotors.

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2) Number of torsional spring, and their spring rating differs according to occupation. If it's a rally clutch, the spring does not require much calibration on high RPM, but it has to be stiff as rally engines are set to produce maximum torque at lower RPM and gear changing is extremely rapid. The more torsional spring attached to your clutch plate does not mean your clutch can take higher power, instead it produce very smooth transition when you engage/disengage clutch pedal. On the opposite note, a racing clutch usually has less number of torsional spring, rather to have fewer but longer and harsher spring to sustain extreme friction during higher RPM launch(to prevent the entire clutch plate get twisted/scrambled by the flywheel).

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3) Design of the pressure plate(layman term known as clutch cover) will differ according to occupation. Aftermarket performance clutch pressure plate can be very efficient in holding the clutch friction, whist maintain very light pedal action if the pressure release plate being designed properly. Have a look at the angle of the lift springs and you'll get the idea why is it important to change the whole set of clutch instead of just changing the clutch pad itself.

Nonetheless, by having a better performance clutch, 1 can mechanically tune the car to be as close to stock kinda clutch action, without jeopardizing too much of the comfort. That however, 1 thing can never be iron out would be the contact TRIGGER point. Performance clutch will always have a harsher trigger(where the clutch is about to engage your engine, which people use to hold the car from rolling back in 1st gear infront of traffic light).

My point is, it's not about hardcore. It's about finding a suitable performance part nod.gif You want hardcore? This is hardcore. Triple plate clutch for GTR nod.gif

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Nov 30 2014, 11:34 AM)
It seemed to be solved to me the last time I updated after getting info from Punch that Proton had released a firmware update back in Feb-March 2014. Then a few months later I changed my muffler to swirl flow. The choke/asthma came back.. I went for a ECU/TCU update/reflash and guess what asthma is there to stay.

I have not changed back to stock muffler yet to test if the muffler is the cause of it.  Because I malas  whistling.gif

Take note Punch quote:

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"For your inquiry about this is the characteristic of CVT,the answer is no.It's not related to CVT at all.Due to engine is unstable,engine will stall during clutch engagement.Thanks."


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I had to agree with that statement from Punch as I found out the issue from SHAWIE instead of GaGa blink.gif U heard me right, from a totally different engine and transmission layout Shawie.

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1) Shawie uses manual clutch controlled by accumulator pump, it's very similar to FLX CVT utilizing wet clutch that controlled by brake pedal as a trigger to disengage clutch.

2) When the engine is less efficient than the clutch engagement timing, jerking/choking/engine stall is in-eminent.

You see, it's sort of vicious cycle when

a) clutch is engaged with gear(CVT) trying to pickup speed
b) engine has not ready to speed up
c) clutch detected abnormally low torque output, either decided to disengage to prevent engine stall or downshift(shrink the CVT belt to higher ratio puller to gain speed)
d) engine detected abnormally high ratio from transmission, figured needed higher power, hence auto adjust throttle to squeeze more power out from engine to accommodate
e) CVT detected higher output, expand CVT belt to lower ratio puller to utilize torque to convert to speed
f) engine has not ready to speed up (*goes back to b)

Until 1 point when speed and engine output matches with CVT ratio and clutch position, then only it became buttery smooth laugh.gif Our Shawie AMT has the exact same issue doh.gif

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