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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V65, Standard stock sampai tak boleh stock la

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davidke20
post Nov 14 2014, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Nov 14 2014, 06:15 AM)
Good morning evelibodi  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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post Nov 14 2014, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Nov 14 2014, 06:33 AM)
i would say the early bird gets the worm, but in your case the early bird drops yesterday's worm first.  brows.gif  brows.gif
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I usually wake up @ 5, then prepare my protein shakes, boil water make milk for kids. Once gaodim, check forum abit, play Ice Age. About 6 need to drop a few pounds & shower liao. So basically its the same routine on weekdays nod.gif Dotter skol starts @ 7:15, so no choice lar gotta leave home 6:45 due to trafuk kondisen despite only 2km away sad.gif
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post Nov 14 2014, 08:26 AM

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Here's what's next. After 2 years+ of ownership with my BLM, trying so hard to improve its throttle response, now that I came to a solid conclusion after witnessing several GaGa in the attempt of "increase horse power" on a dyno machine.

The stock 4-1 manifold is indeed too short before hitting the catcon. Hence exhaust flow was blocked due to conflict of cylinder purge. Anyone who change their exhaust manifold to after market performance extractor will indeed restore some horse power, we're looking @ about 5-10 wheel horse power! If u have an idea of tuning a normal aspirated engine, each wheel horse power gain is a thousand dollar investment! Have seen most if not all Campro S4PE running on standard extractor below 80whp, some worst below 70whp. Whereas many other S4PE who replaced their extractor to after market had a significant power restored to 80 & above. So far the highest power dyno output I've seen is 95.5whp & 95whp. Both of them are our forum member.

When u ask for decat, the 1st thing in mind is environment & polution. Frankly, I do not encourage removal of catcon. So my next big thing is, after installation of after market performance extractor, I'm going to put back a catcon to see how much power loss after the 5-10whp restoration. If after catcon can still bring me back to 80whp region, I'm more than happy to keep it that way as a tree hugger.

Finally, the significant of 4-2-1 & 4-1 extractor. Sadly, what I believed all these while was partially untruth & no opportunity to make comparison between the 2 evil on a same car(who would wanna have 2 sets of extractor on a same car just to dyno for the truth). Anyway, some comparison was done between similar layout of vehicle with similar mods has been done. So here's the truth, 2 B16A was tested on the same day.

Specimen A) HKS green mushroom with Spoon sausage intake ram, Mugen 4-1, hotbits bullet, 2" piping & Spoon S-flow, yielded 142whp with drastic jump on vtec opening on stock ECU.

Specimen B) Spoon sport drop in filter, TODA 4-2-1, hotbits bullet, 2" piping & Fujitsubo chambered muffler, yielded 143whp with slightly smoother vetc opening on stock ECU.

I have no picture to show u as owners preferred stay anonymous for their security reasons. Anyways, the comparison between the 2 EGs are on the same dyno platform. The result shown 4-1 extractor has less initial power output due to conflict of exhaust purge I believe. However, once rpm raise to 4k, torque curve for 4-1 improved significantly better than 4-2-1 due to straight output with less joints. Whilst 4-2-1 slowly catching up by 6krpm, both car show similar power curve 1 stays @ 142, another @ 143. I wouldn't know whether the chambered muffler has restricted exhaust flow from 4-2-1 or the Spoon S-flow helps on the big jump of vtec gain for 4-1 extractor.

My conclusion is, either way they should yield similar output where 4-1 give much better mid/high end power, whereas 4-2-1 is generally smoother & steady output system. I going to work with 4-2-1 and show u my dyno chart once its done. And the follow up action will be having catcon & decat comparison. Have a good day.
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post Nov 14 2014, 08:50 AM

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post Nov 14 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Nov 14 2014, 09:31 AM)
But I changed battery before, which on last year August..
well I jump start with Mitsubishi triton, should be powerful enough right? Also the cable I am using is thick one not like those sell in hyper market..
I tried numerous times d, still cannot..
is it safe to use a 2.0cc car battery to test?
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Plonk jump start kabel, leave triton injin running for 5 minits dulu, don't touch the GaGa until 5 minit. Then try setat lagi, by right 1 kik sudah hidup.

Another thing is, when u say selow & kenot setat, does it sound like "hick hick hick heeeeee" or "wuek... Kek... Kek... Kek...." Lidat? If hick hick hick no kek kek kek sound, no need setat liao, taiming belt sudah putus whistling.gif simpan duet oberhol lar. If kek... Kek... Kek selowly, means not enuf powah to setat. If oni hear tek tek tek sound, mungkin setater relay koyak or bat3 totally flat, ur setater totally relying on jumper kabel liao, hence not even got enuf powah to push setater solenoid out, macamane mau hear the injin kek kek kek sound?

Plotong GaGa/Perdangna V6 setater is dual layer solenoid geh, won't rosak so easily. Usually pipu(bad magician) like to kondem GaGa setater rosak is bcoz after the bugger tukak relay den cheat u say sudah tukak setater. Tibai relay baru RM25 nanti he cas u RM400 tukak setater sebenarnyer talak tukak, mana boley tak senang "rosak"? whistling.gif
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post Nov 14 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Nov 14 2014, 12:45 PM)
hmmm, nice... if i change a better extractor dunno can help gain a bit more?  hmm.gif
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U be the huait rat then whistling.gif so far I only have TONNKA besi puteh 421 CPS edition dyno results on Gen2, satey 1.3, wajunk kampro, all shown between 5-10whp gain. Dun kam blame me if u changed jor powah drop whistling.gif
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post Nov 14 2014, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 14 2014, 08:59 PM)
Based on both comments, besok change 4-2-1 liao.  brows.gif

I do highway driving to work every day, so yea, would report in next few weeks of the response.
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Hold the poney just a little more while whistling.gif Ayam gaji not in yet. Nowadays, other than TONNKA, I haven't seen any extractor dyno result comparison before/after stock mods whistling.gif So, you wanna go spend money for butt dyno means go ahead whistling.gif

Be remind, TONNKA result I've got is also not officially from their own promotional material. I collected data from their consumer instead! So far, all boley land modder that promote their ekzos gain powah, none of them put up dyno chart komparison YET whistling.gif Do you believe promotional results from manufacturer? Or believe in consumer before/after dyno feedback whistling.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Nov 14 2014, 09:31 PM)
Budget berape for tonnka? Okok la for boss punye pasal. Where can fix if got?
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TONNKA looking for thousand. Ayam going for an alternative. So, you'll have to wait for a cheap investment than. Looking at about RM500.
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post Nov 15 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Nov 14 2014, 10:33 PM)
went for serviced yesterday , cannot change spark plug lor, spark coil stuck wei four of them stuck, mechanic oso ask me whether want to cont or not, i dare not to gamble later four of em patah susah la..btw my mileage at 60k km, tomorrow mau hntar pigi proton sc and let them wait the coil to kecut a bit..might leave car for and collect in the evening.
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Melted liao whistling.gif
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post Nov 16 2014, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(athrunzaru @ Nov 15 2014, 11:04 PM)
hai titanium tipped red gaga  rclxms.gif
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hmm.gif hang punya icon tarak maciam GaGa mia injinbei hmm.gif
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post Nov 16 2014, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(athrunzaru @ Nov 16 2014, 08:08 AM)
good morning @davidke20

haha...i like corolla blacktops, but parents dont want to buy old corollas, so settle with "blacktop" gaga. also dont like vios because of the center gauges back then. later ill change to my gaga injinbei pic  biggrin.gif
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2 moons ago, we so happened managed to bring 1 of our own S4P3 GaGa go dyno. Whilst we managed to squeezed 95.5whp, the blacktop who spent 10s of thousands on tuning & performance parts, clocked 114whp whistling.gif
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post Nov 17 2014, 06:21 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Nov 16 2014, 10:56 PM)
Go for local brand, Mohawk or Uncle Sam.  biggrin.gif
What I experienced it is real good for the price.
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Mohawk is local brand?! Dafuq r yiu toking abau blink.gif I tot it's European cuntry geh? Czech Republic or sumting blink.gif Yiu r referring to dis izit blink.gif

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post Nov 17 2014, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Nov 16 2014, 10:20 PM)
Use teh steering controller  laugh.gif

Just remember don't simply link ori head unit to an cheap amp, usually you will get extra whinning noise while getting more power.

Start changing the headunit or just directly replace the speaker with good installation workmanship will give better results.  nod.gif
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Don't say I purposely go sarcastic on u. Here's a little contribution from my point of view if u value it. Our Clarion is made for bass mid by default. Stock form came with rated 50w x 4 channel output. Preset equalizer are made to perform with bass mid speakers, particularly on low impedance loud speakers @ 4ohm. If u plonk 8ohm speakers, it will strain the built in amplifier 50w/2, but the good thing is u get more stable output(according to my ears) instead of pop corn sound. & generally 8ohm home use speakers are much cheaper than ICE.

On the side note, usually aeroplane whining noise came with statis charges that goes around the vehicle. 1 of the major culprit is the alternator, as the pulsating charging frequency may jumble up with your signal output. Hence, the higher RPM u go, higher pitch of whining noise u heard. Its not that if u change to aftermarket audio system can eleminate such problem, its about how u wire it up. In order to remove(reduce) static noise from head unit, 1 can opt to add in a small voltage stabilizer before the main power supply to the headunit. Follow up with extra grounding wire that attach directly back to battery -ve pole.

If u have an external amplifier, make sure the RCA cable are high quality static free type(not those expansive cable that came with noise supressor, instead a pure copper wire that came with quality insulation is suffice). Other than that, the power cable has to be good conductive quality that directly link to your battery terminal. Grounding work, I suggest to use the same material as your power cable, directly link it back to battery -ve terminal instead of chassis grounding. Imagine, usually workshop will ground your amp on the seat mounting if u plonk amp under the seat, to cut cost. When u have a grounding work on seat, the static noise will be amplified as well due to long travelling distance, so as various restriction along the way. Eg.ECU,dashboard instruments,engine itself,CVT,door lamp,headlamp,brake lamp, anything u can name it in the car will make your speaker sound like pop corn, instead of crunchy clean tone.

Last but not least, if u r anal enough. Can use an external relay to trigger the ignition signal. Usually amplifiers came with a control relay that link to headunit to kick start the amp as & when u switch on the HU. U can choose to add an external relay, directly link power supply to the battery +ve terminal, whereas the kick start wire from HU link to the relay itself. Meaning that relay now become your filter, taking clean signal directly from battery instead of HU. We're merely touching the cabling setup. GaGa itself is a bad hardware to begin with, 1 could probably invest up to many thousand on sound proofing to make it a better platform for clean tone.

All these cabling works will not cost more than 200 investment, but it will be a good foundation for future mods. U can choose to wire up the system in conventional way, tapping ground work from chassis & use direct ignition signal from HU just like any 1 will do, the nutshell is the limitation of power supply & many static charges going loose in your sound environment.

I'm not an ICE guy, more of a performance lad. U may choose to ignore or correct me if ayam wrong. These are my personal experience from the old days when I spent my entire salary on my old Corolla, on a monthly basis. coolkwc is a better ICE sifu in my opinion. He may shed u some light.
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post Nov 17 2014, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Effy92 @ Nov 17 2014, 12:49 PM)
highway 90kph overtaking sometime 100kph, air con number 1, warmest temp
normal road 70-90kph, if no car always 90kph, no use aircon due to rainy season and night time
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Ah sleep.gif hypermile kaki eh. Regardless, CVT gets the most out of it. Several of my friends managed to clock similar mileage with their GaGa CVT as well. So far the best record I've seen on MT was 570km/tank. Mine was 540km sad.gif
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post Nov 17 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Nov 17 2014, 08:24 PM)
whats the size of saga fuel tank? my car usually get 500 or less km from each tank , around rm110+ per tank  cry.gif
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Whole tank is 40litre. Usable 35lit.
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post Nov 18 2014, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Cosef @ Nov 17 2014, 10:14 PM)
I wonder huai no pipu pull fat cable to ECU power supply and grounding, adding a capacitor near to the ECU and expect +5hp.  sad.gif
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You sound like a pro. Anyways, those are only my personal opinion, not necessarily fit all.

Adding capacitor will not alter ECU fuel mapping, however adding resistor to intake MAP sensor will nod.gif
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post Nov 18 2014, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Nov 17 2014, 11:50 PM)
woah, then it's quite fuel saving, my swift 1.5 4AT, every time pump around 35 liters also, usually 400km or less need to refuel d  blink.gif
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Running a 1.5 4AT dinosaur, 35lit for 400km in city drive is considerably reasonable fuel save. Try a Kampro 1.3 with 4AT iskazulka whistling.gif For that 35lit on city I think around 220km ady fuel warning dao until wanna picah desbod liao whistling.gif
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QUOTE(wankel @ Nov 18 2014, 03:14 PM)
Has anyone here ever programmed a new key for an FLX? It seems information online about chip types and all is somewhat scarce. I'm talking about the transponder, not the remote, for which there is info available.
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Case to case basis, we have very little information on the transponder chip model. However, price to made 1 key here in Malaysia, factory will reset the transponder code and the immobilizer 1 shot(together with the new key) would cost around RM200. Translate in Oz would be around 70 bucks I guess.
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Nov 18 2014, 03:20 PM)

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Takan nak fly wankel all the way from Oz to Boleyland just to fabricate a new key aik laugh.gif
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Nov 18 2014, 05:11 PM)
by the way, left rear door got squeaking sound. what should i apply? grease? WD40?
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Open the door panel and check what is actually squeeking then only decide. Before that, check also whether striker plate wrapper ady broken, there's 1 layer of rubbery thing wrapped around the striker plate's hook to avoid your door grinding the lock whilst chassis flex, when that rubbery thing gone then it will squeek. Temporary measure will be use wire tape to wrap around the hook. Otherwise, getting a new strike plate will only cost you some RM18 iirc.

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