i walk round -round jb....i see a food shop with malay workers, but no halal logo in the front of the shop....i can see some customers also malay.....shop only put '"No Pork, No Lard"' sign on the shop windows.....so is "No Pork, No Lard"= Halal?

This post has been edited by mrhulk: Nov 3 2014, 02:37 PM

Tomyam stall tepi jalan also no halal logo.

Any some mamak also no halal logo.

No. I mean beer isn't halal but it doesn't fall under pork or lard products.

Halal food falls under a complex set of rules.

But usually even if restaurant don't post "no pok, no lard" I still eat hahahaha!

No pork no lard, but used alcohol in the food, still not halal. The preparation of the dish also need to be look into..

eh which part of JB u see that shop ?

not necessarily

everywhere is the same la.

in sabah so far yes
as long as chinese restaurant with 'serve no pork' sign even without jakim halal
all malays will come and eat together with the other races


there was once my dad bring a contractor from KL to sabah and he brought him to the local seafood restaurant
no halal jakim although banyak melayu/islam makan he refuse to eat
ended up bring him to mamak lel

Its normal in KL for non muslim restaurants to have that to lure the Muslims. No pork, no lard can means meat and chicken are not halal and the food preparation might includes some alcohol (eg: rice wine). Meh... even Sushi King is non halal but Malays flocks there everyday

This post has been edited by rads78: Nov 3 2014, 02:42 PM

takyah layan orang2 yang terlampau alim sangat tu

Apa soalan bodoh ini?
If it was halal don't you think they would put "HALAL" instead of "no prok no lard?"

no pork, no lard - could still be non-halal due to prosedure of preparations. but it could halal too if it complies with syariah law.

halal - definitely halal since checked and approved.

no. some malay not follow too strictly

Sushi King non Halal dishes (that use Sake) is mentioned properly.

nasi lemak stall tak ada halal logo tak kecoh pun

Nasi ayam at chinese restaurant is not considered halal if the ayam bought from non-muslim seller.

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Kawan saya pernah cakap kalau nak makan, makan aje janji tiada nampak hidung dan ekor (babi)







LOL

If u yakin..u go makan la..no need logo2

Gunakan tanpa was-was

Kalau makan, kena tukar darah, cuci perut dan samak mulut.

if u care so much abt the halal sign/logo
thn if u come to sabah...u eat KFC everyday lah
chicken shop here ...everyday full of ppl(malay, chinese and indian)...no halal logo...u masuk?

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Nov 3 2014, 02:54 PM

And that my friends is the difference between the East and West Malaysia people....

This post has been edited by ZeroSOFInfinity: Nov 3 2014, 02:55 PM

kalau kedai vegetarian dan kata tak hidang arak memang halal 99%,

1% kena cari orang yang benar-benar alim hal-hal agama ni, cuba tanya orang masjid.

sometimes people too worried about halal logo and stuff.

should know that this halal logo thing is a malaysian thing.

No need to get too fanatical on this, if a malay muslim auntie sell fried banana under

a tree got no halal cert then gg liao all muslims who eat there with this logic.

In the end, know the Islamic rulings properly, you would know, just no pork/pork

derivative as one of the ingredients, while alcohol is a debatable thing,

if used as a technical ingredient (softening up the meat) and assumed to evaporate

during cooking it is for the discretion of individual muslim to assume its halal or not

for consumption (no muslim has the right to prevent or coerce each other into

eating/not eating if differing in opinion about this).

inb4 ulama /k

bang its not about the logo

its about the overall preparation of the food

from the ingredients and utensils used and even hygiene

If you feel 100% the food prepared is halal, eat
If you feel 50/50, don't eat.

Simple as that. It all comes from "niat"

This post has been edited by soundsyst64: Nov 3 2014, 03:12 PM

itu penang teochew chendul shop also got no pork no lard sign

hygiene is all universal, all eateries if hygiene is bad gg liao all.

utensils will go down to hygiene too. The issue of said items was used to handle pork needs to be washed 7 times is only of one fiqh school ( the original hadith only applies to the licking of dogs).

( malaysia has a strong adherence to Shafee school of jurisprudence, the only school that defines the 3 levels of najis, which not all the scholars agree. )

Otherwise other fiqh schools agree that utensils does not need to be washed 7 times, only washed clean.

ingredients is a no brainer, if there is pork among the ingredients, its clearly not halal for consumption by muslims.

malay muslims all around blindly follow the Shafee school of Jurisprudence and ignoring the freedom of referring and choosing other islamic scholars even ridiculing people having following other mazhabs.

This post has been edited by ahurgan: Nov 3 2014, 03:14 PM

is halal just about pork and lard? no, right? so its not enough la.

is there alcohol in the food?
was the meat slaughtered according to halal or kosher requirements?
was the food cooked cleanly, is there a lot of blood left in the meat?

i just finished reading a research article about how alcohol doesnt evaporate as quickly as ppl think. so any food cooked with alcohol is likely to still contain a high percentage of alcohol even after baking at 350 deg F for more than an hour. its only after 3 hrs that the alcohol content is reduced to 5% of original.

so be careful when buying cakes.

sounds good for a bowl of cendol yo!

correct

If in doubt go to the kitchen and inspect all the ingredient.

If malas, dun eat.

If hungry but malas, just eat in condition it is like once in a while only.

Warong Anda near my place also no "Halal" sign, don't even have a "No Pork No Lard' sign, but malays still go in. So is it Halal?

bang you really dont understand my point do you?

its not just pork

if the chicken used are not slaughtered properly then its haram

Vegetarian tak sentuh arak..

alcohol does not burn up and evaporate as quickly as everyone thinks. see link below.

http://www.ochef.com/165.htm

im with you bro, that a lot of ppl are a bit too strict abt halal but at the same time, we have to still be careful. throwing caution to the wind is not the best way to deal with halal and haram. shafiee's age old doctrine of it being better to be sure it is halal than to take a risk of it actually being haram applies here.

no not halal if they cut the chicken head like ISIS cut hostage heads

HALAL only if ONE chop complete head drop onto the floor

unless it's Vegatarian, i'd say no, coz you won't know whether the Chicken & Kambing are halal or not.

yeah sorry about that. can ask the shop owner if in doubt.

some shops do mention in their menu that their sourcing for meat would be from a halal source like itallianies.

Jangan makan la. Senang. Bawak loti, kaya, planta, gula kalau mau.

THIS

Yupz, halal is like kosher la. Ada own set of rules.

good article. Definitely something to ponder on. There are so many other ways to tenderize meat than alcohol. Would avoid that in the future.

being abit more objective however, could the amount of alcohol present for meat preparation be intoxicating? is it alot?

Shafiee's doctrine is abit too careful sometimes. Sometimes there are things that you could not ascertain 100% but by the looks of it (zahir) seems okay there would be no need to feel so doubtful ( ie. fruits being overripe being partially alcoholic)

Kawan i vegetarian tapi minum arak jugak.
No such thing as vegetarian no minum arak.

NO

If want halal, prepare yourself, dont eat outside .

if apply halal need pay license fee for halal logo yearly or not?

i know a malay friend who go holiday/business trip overseas

eat all the haram

he say no chance here
is this common?

This post has been edited by AxeFire: Nov 3 2014, 03:35 PM

Not Halal got DNA Haram

Kalau dah was-was tak usah la pegi makan walau ade logo halal.

Warung depan office ni pun takde logo halal, but I'm sure & confident that makcik served me halal food as I don't see any sign of pork hanging in her kitchen.
But if that makcik put lard & pork in the food secretly & I have no knowledge about it, I let Almighty decided it for me.

Also if the mamak stall with halal logo by Jakim put alcohol in my drink, that's not my sin to carry.

Tak halal. Coz mostly those china taukey use ayam cucuk, not ayam sembelih one.

rokok harom pon sedut gak lagi..

Life is short..just eat je lah jgn persoal

Have, a sober vegetarian.

he either malas to find halal restaurant, or lazy to bring halal stuffs from malaysia.

these gerai tomyam buka tepi jalan tepi longkang with all the dust and dirt with no certification but by virtue of being operated by muslim is automatically halal... lel...

Halal is waste of time and money...strict rules to follow...theu even filter every suppliers of yours...

prepare yourself to be a curryban

Need

waste time yes

waste money no

you can attract alot more customers with halal logo instead of only your own kind

Nasi campur and Mamak stall oso where got Halal logo.

Ayam eated if ayam 100% sure it's halal.

The sins you do in your lifetime is between you and your maker. Don't waste time worrying and justifying to other people*tuk chang*

alcohol will vaporize n vanish when cooked. still tarak trace of it unless some super scientist from jakim comes n show ada. u know they will do anything to ..... condem other pipur mia food.

answer is , if not sure don't eat

very simple rule

but many prefer, eat, then complain then the shop kena raid for nothing

It is really amusing that you love to reply each thread that related to Islam with the words karibun. It shows that love are actually care so much about them. You seems to know what they think or what they do in details.

halal itself is an investment how come you say waste already when you have not do it yet?

non practicing muslim memang tak kisah makan apa.

oh really... super scientist from JAKIM didnt come but got the US Department of Agriculture’s Nutrient Data Laboratory come to prove you wrong.
"u know they will do anything to ..... condem other pipur mia food." pui...

yakin dan jgn was was . ror

have you seen a chinese muslim restaurant frequented by malays only?

yes it will vaporize and vanished but wont the food contain alcohol taste?

depends.
if u civilized, then no pord, no lard, no alcohol, u just eat.

if u're backward thinking taliban, then dont eat.

ooo. if you say so.

I love curry bun actually. Especially japanese curry with potatoes. You dont like ? Well thats no reason to be butthurt. Relax and go with the flow bro

no need go far... jalan bukit bintang also has one....

I'm not butthurt. Just stating what I saw though.

Dont be soooo fanatic about the halal thing lah. One fine day in the world, if its decision of food or starve to death, u will still eat whatever moves to survive.

traces of wine yes stuck. but alcohol, at certain tempreture gone liao. seafood manyak pakai itu wine. some food without the wine is not nice at all. if so was was to eat better dont eat. starve urself to death for all i care. no pork no lard i go eat. so next time before getting a shot, ask ur nurse or doctor please no alcohol swab. contact to skin and then the needle kena the skin which was wipe with alcohol n traces of alcohol enter blood vessle. haram.

Vegetarian cook sometimes also using cooking wine. Arak memang la tak bagi, tapi cooking wine also not considered halal.

broooo its not being fanatic broooooooo

if it comes to life or death matter anything is allowed broooooo

but if its not then we must follow the rules and regulations broooooooo

why muslim can accept alcohol but not pork?

ooo okay.

lol @ the brooooo. Dont listen to others. Listen to yourself. Eat what you want. Dont eat by signs, eat by choices of food. Now too many chinese sells pure clean halal food without halal logo cause the muslims simply refusing to give halal logo to other races. See, chinese also caters to the malays by making it halal.

I often see coffeeshops with the sign "Serve No Pork"...so I guess that any customer who is not pork can walk in, sit down and get served!

best of ALL

don't eat at place with no HALAL logo

don't offer to sell food with excuse no pork,no lard

SIMPLE

check if ade awek pakai tudung makan or not

if yes

OK

kapir makan apa pon boleh.

vegetarian is diff bro, even masak with meat they push aside they can eat is ok

this one if touch a bit also consider whole plate throw

Pakai tudung for cover the hair not to fall in cookings.

when i out of country

that sign already enough to convince me

true vegetarian can't touch meat la, masak with meat also cannot

as a customer la

when a tered asking bout hukum hakam islam yg lebih sure yg kapir

i haven't met that kind of talibaness before, if i did i put them as same category as the extremist idiots

duwan eat at amoi shop coz no halal sign.

but amoi lay nekkid, still wanna tap...

pundek astrophysicist

wrong.. the main concern wheter the chicken or meat got sembelih or not.

people that vegetarian either don't want to harm animals or just dont like meat.

no religion that says vegetarian is good because meat is 'dirty' , it's always because of no cruelty to animals or certain animal is sacred

Why u say Sushi King non halal?

Halal Issue
Are Sushi King Restaurants Halal certified by JAKIM?
We are not Halal certified restaurant. No Mirin is used for food preparation in our restaurants. Our poultry products such as chicken and beef are Halal-certified.

Are the food products served suitable for Muslim’s consumption?
All our foods are pork-free (no pork or pork derivatives used) and no added alcohol (No Mirin).

Only in certain country

i'm not sure you should call them taliban, i know a couple who cook themselves and went only to vegetarian shop. when they attend my friend wedding, my friend prepare vegetarian set for them.