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 Property Bubble & Its Social Impact V13, LYN famous DDD Vs UUU Thread

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post Nov 10 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Nov 10 2014, 01:49 PM)
Exactly bro, I might as well predict 4D bcoz IT IS a tikam game.
I don't play tikam with investment bcoz you turn investment into gambling liao.
THere's a fine line between the 2 and some ppl may got themselves in trouble like that.
Of coz there are some risk involve but lower the risk by not gambling ma?
Siboh? ...  nod.gif
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Bro, we are talking about the future here. Be it go to toilet, property price, salesman promise etc, they are all about guessing. Nobody will know exactly what will happen

That is the essence of this thread. UUU has been saying market won't crash. DDD has been saying market will crash. Who is correct so far ? UUU icon_rolleyes.gif

But the DDD keep saying "one day it will crash", "see who has the last laugh", "soon". The discussion will not end when there is no time limit and specific numbers.

I am willing to make a specific prediction. But DDD all chicken. Because you know you will be laugh at when the time you predicted is here.

To summarise - If I can give my prediction, why can't DDD ? It just show that DDD has no confidence of what they predict. You all are just a bunch of coward tongue.gif
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post Nov 10 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:05 PM)
Again u r playing GUESSING game. I go city mall very often bear, very often.
Pathetic bear, pathetic.

So that's the best u can offer.

Can't win the argument, condemning everything.  rolleyes.gif

U srsly need help kid.  icon_question.gif
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When u gets to understand him..... u'll realize he hav selective reading....... selective memory..... tongue.gif tongue.gif

Things he cant or dont kno how to counter.... he act like never see... never read liao..... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Nov 10 2014, 04:20 PM)
When u gets to understand him..... u'll realize he hav selective reading....... selective memory.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

Things he cant or dont kno how to counter.... he act like never see... never read liao.....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Lol. Under process to understand bear. Keep giving me surprise. drool.gif
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post Nov 10 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:05 PM)
Again u r playing GUESSING game. I go city mall very often bear, very often.
Pathetic bear, pathetic.

So that's the best u can offer.

Can't win the argument, condemning everything.  rolleyes.gif

U srsly need help kid.  icon_question.gif
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hello everyone has their own perception to distance and what not, especially those from sekincan like you... however given the above, there are consensus as what amount to "far" generally and majority, and yes Setia Alam & Semenyih are far, no need guessing game and etc..that is why their price differs, subsales are inflated price

you are putting the non far ideology yourself
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:26 PM)
hello everyone has their own perception to distance and what not, especially those from sekincan like you... however given the above, there are consensus as what amount to "far"  generally and majority, and yes Setia Alam & Semenyih are far, no need guessing game and etc..that is why their price differs, subsales are inflated price

you are putting the non far ideology yourself
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Bear, did I ever say I'm from Sekinchan?
I'm only giving Sekinchan as an example to counter prove "there is no high property price outside of KV" from u.

Bear oh bear! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Nov 10 2014, 03:19 PM)
nobody has a crystal ball to see into the future 20 to 30 yrs from today.

Am just explaining why some new launches in the same general area cost so much more compared to existing older properties in the same general locality.

However today buyers seem to demand G&G, Lifestyle living and think this trend will continue going forward with newer and more trendy concepts like double frontage.
Nobody buys a scarce product and resell at the same price.

The Laws of physics says that "two objects cannot occupy the same space simultaneously". Hence if you have bought a house, it means that there is one less house and with a growing population (Demand), and supply being limited, prices must increase.

The only question is by how much?
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we will never be able to built enough houses for to match population, it never will, even we do not touch the population, property price still goes down, America got burst, China & Singapore are undergoing correction, why?

we also have bukit beruntung, which well know ur theory above does not work, i did drop below the purchase price, unless you confine this to mature area only

we have bukit beruntung no2(setia alam)
bekit beruntung no 3 ( semenyih)

the next 10 years will be the same, after 10 years no body knows... but jokers here and young kid are not aiming these 10 years, by then more modern concept will take over setia alam, and nothing can remedy the far.. effect , unless u follow USA septem 11, blow both our towers and move elsewhere, maybe sekincan kot. since it is not far from setia alam

everything property has a price according to time, and yes generally and majority property price goes with time, you are taking inflated price to be a norm that is wrong footing to begin with... jokers here are do not want you to see speculation but rather "market rate",
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 10 2014, 02:17 PM)
How many of gen y wanted to stay in property bought or built 10, 20 or 30 years ago?
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If the children don't like, they can always sell it, and buy somewhere they like.

Just imagine your parents got 1 old house bought in the 1980s in Taman Tun area. You can sell it for RM2m. And use the money to buy mont kiara

Be flexible and innovative a bit and your life will be much easier
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post Nov 10 2014, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:26 PM)
hello everyone has their own perception to distance and what not, especially those from sekincan like you... however given the above, there are consensus as what amount to "far"  generally and majority, and yes Setia Alam & Semenyih are far, no need guessing game and etc..that is why their price differs, subsales are inflated price

you are putting the non far ideology yourself
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bearbear, far or not depends on a few factors lah

1. existing family / wife family stay where ?
2. work place is where ?

If parents are staying in kajang, and you work in cyberjaya, semenyih is not far lah.

Same as setia alam. If parents in PJ, work place in Klang. Setia alam where got far ?

The problem is you use your own parameters to impose on everyone. And conclude based on your own situation. And you always think your conclusion is final
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:38 PM)
If the children don't like, they can always sell it, and buy somewhere they like.

Just imagine your parents got 1 old house bought in the 1980s in Taman Tun area. You can sell it for RM2m. And use the money to buy mont kiara

Be flexible and innovative a bit and your life will be much easier
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that means buy any property will sure profit? or just Taman Tun, MK areas only... there are so many new launches out there unfinished, why? ppl dunno the buy property theory sure increase?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:44 PM)
bearbear, far or not depends on a few factors lah

1. existing family / wife family stay where ?
2. work place is where ?

If parents are staying in kajang, and you work in cyberjaya, semenyih is not far lah.

Same as setia alam. If parents in PJ, work place in Klang. Setia alam where got far ?

The problem is you use your own parameters to impose on everyone. And conclude based on your own situation. And you always think your conclusion is final
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Bear have logic thinking problem. cry.gif we must help him. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:45 PM)
that means buy any property will sure profit? or just Taman Tun, MK areas only... there are so many new launches out there unfinished, why? ppl dunno the buy property theory sure increase?
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Don't be conned by the salesman bearbear. Of course not every property sure profit. Who told you so ? He is just trying to trap you. Be careful of such person

But if people say overwhelming majority of property in malaysia will profit in the long run, then I agree
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:44 PM)
bearbear, far or not depends on a few factors lah

1. existing family / wife family stay where ?
2. work place is where ?

If parents are staying in kajang, and you work in cyberjaya, semenyih is not far lah.

Same as setia alam. If parents in PJ, work place in Klang. Setia alam where got far ?

The problem is you use your own parameters to impose on everyone. And conclude based on your own situation. And you always think your conclusion is final
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everywhere, property price also inflated one badly ones too, surprisingly, only Chinese areas.. why? same units of bumi lots are 10-20% cheaper

did i conclude on my own that property price are badly speculated? Did other country face the same problem and subsequently suffer price drop later?
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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:46 PM)
Bear have logic thinking problem.  cry.gif  we must help him.  tongue.gif
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You will get used to it tongue.gif If he has logical thinking, our "discussion" finished long time ago already
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:47 PM)
Don't be conned by the salesman bearbear. Of course not every property sure profit. Who told you so ? He is just trying to trap you. Be careful of such person

But if people say overwhelming majority of property in malaysia will profit in the long run, then I agree
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so there are such properties existed... you got a name for these properties?
maybe those not being able to sell off after launches with left over?

like setia echo hill? southville @ mahsing?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:48 PM)
everywhere, property price also inflated one badly ones too, surprisingly, only Chinese areas.. why? same units of bumi lots are 10-20% cheaper

did i conclude on my own that property price are badly speculated? Did other country face the same problem and subsequently suffer price drop later?
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bearbear, I can understand it is very difficult to accept the price has increased so much over the past few years. I have given some explanation what are the factors which caused the "abnormal" increase. If you have the time, please read the 2nd post of this thread. Bro Lat Jiu has post it there

The good news is the "abnormal" increase is over (my prediction). The price increase will be back to normal inflationary trend just like the past

But the bad news is those Gen-Y who didn't take advantage of DIBS + zero entry missed the boat

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:49 PM)
so there are such properties existed... you got a name for these properties?
maybe those not being able to sell off after launches with left over?

like setia echo hill? southville @ mahsing?
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Bukit Beruntung is the famous one and some projects in nilai also

EcoHill and Southville will be ok lah. The environment they created is nice. There will be demand there. Just my opinion
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 10 2014, 04:26 PM)
hello everyone has their own perception to distance and what not, especially those from sekincan like you... however given the above, there are consensus as what amount to "far"  generally and majority, and yes Setia Alam & Semenyih are far, no need guessing game and etc..that is why their price differs, subsales are inflated price

you are putting the non far ideology yourself
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If u work in Shah Alam or Klang then is Setia Alam far for you ?

If you work in Nilai then TTDI & MK is far for you right ?

That's what people mean by what is far for you may not be far for other.


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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:53 PM)
bearbear, I can understand it is very difficult to accept the price has increased so much over the past few years. I have given some explanation what are the factors which caused the "abnormal" increase. If you have the time, please read the 2nd post of this thread. Bro Lat Jiu has post it there

The good news is the "abnormal" increase is over (my prediction). The price increase will be back to normal inflationary trend just like the past
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that is good, let alone the abnormal increase, that requires time, but so far, transaction still is not picking up despite normal inflationary bull increase..
i only know that speculation in property only increase the price not only expected profit, the cost to procure such will be pass on creating higher prices and the expected profit to be fatored in..

just wondering, how does the expected profit come about? the 1st must have come out from sth, like you bought 350k PV, bank suddenly come say bank valuation goes up to 600k? must be transected first..

so it is actually self owner/agent call 600k price, then ppl buy 600k, become market rate 600k?
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 10 2014, 04:57 PM)
If u work in Shah Alam or Klang then is Setia Alam far for you ?

If you work in Nilai then TTDI & MK is far for you right ?

That's what people mean by what is far for you may not be far for other.
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wah by doing this, you are limiting the pools... houses built are to cater demands on certain ppl who think not far... then obviously, population, and spm student does not play well, coz after vp still many vacant right? some failed in doing so like bkt beruntung, lembah beringin..
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one more thing, since it is back to inflationary increase, so buyers can plan and buy? so need not rush to buy...

but even at normal inflationary level and GST coming in , it is still not favorable to buying spree out there, investors will have to service more loans right? if you are factoring cost into the property price, couple with inflationary, that going to be bull run in the scene right?

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