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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Nov 5 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 03:52 PM)
Hitachi sound good but parts not durable.

Mine kong after 3 yrs.
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im actually interested on sharp aircon due to its plasma custer thing... and samsung for the nice modern design...
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post Nov 5 2014, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 03:52 PM)
Hitachi sound good but parts not durable.

Mine kong after 3 yrs.
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durability is not his concern....so i believe price is....
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post Nov 5 2014, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Nov 5 2014, 04:07 PM)
durability is not his concern....so i believe price is....
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those aircon manufacturer do make their own stress test and QC QA etc ..even durex also done their own stress test on the condom.....

100 out of 10k unit might fail that is why they do give warranty etc.... sony samsung do give warranty on their product , does it mean their product not good and they no confident , thats why give warranty ?

it is quite subjective to say this brand no good easy to spoil etc .... so what can we compare only the spec and quietness of the aircon....

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post Nov 5 2014, 05:18 PM

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you sound exactly like a VW buyer! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Nov 5 2014, 04:57 PM)
those aircon manufacturer do make their own stress test and QC QA etc ..even durex also done their own stress test on the condom..... 

100 out of 10k unit might fail that is why they do give warranty etc.... sony samsung do give warranty on their product , does it mean their product not good and they no confident , thats why give warranty ?

it is quite subjective to say this brand no good easy to spoil etc .... so what can we compare only the spec and quietness of the aircon....

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Seriously which brand can made like quietest... Even in quiet model but won't reduce the air flow n just keep slowly blowing only.

From what I found it with ME inverter GE10VA model switch on quiet model at 19db.

You can't hear the air blower noise at all.
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post Nov 5 2014, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Nov 5 2014, 03:55 PM)
im actually interested on sharp aircon due to its plasma custer thing... and samsung for the nice modern design...
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Was intrigued by Samsung modern design, but in the end decided to get the Sharp 2.0HP Plasma Cluster inverter for RM2599 with installation (Samsung 2.0HP Inverter with Virus Doctor was RM2499 with installation) at the recent Home Dec. Somehow not convinced with Samsung reliability and also their designs keep changing very fast (worried on spare parts availability once warranty over). Sharp has its own A-Force team for air conditioner, so hopefully no problems on after sales support.


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post Nov 5 2014, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 03:47 PM)
Wanna quiet go for ME at 21db, Pana at least 25-29db, York/Daikin 29db now, LG premium 19db, Hitachi as sleep 19db, samsung unknown,

All here can be found was inverter only.

Wanna buy a Aircon also same like car specs, wanna get 6 air bag go for full specs else
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Hitachi on quiet mode 19dB confirmed but their AUTO fan speed still too noisy for my liking.

Samsung triangle AR series depends on which range and HP.
Deluxe Non inverters ARnnHCFSxxxxxx series (R22)
1.0/1.5HP - 35-25/37-26dB
2.0/2.5HP - 41-30/42-31dB

Premium Non inverters ARnnHCSDxxxxxx series (R22)
1.0/1.5HP - 35-25/37-26dB
2.0/2.5HP - 41-30/42-31dB

Deluxe inverter ARnnHVFSxxxxxx series (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP - 37/38-22dB
2.0/2.5HP - 42-26/44-30dB

Premium inverter ARnnHVSDBxxxx series no wifi (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP - 36/37-21dB
2.0/2.5HP - 42-26/44-30dB

Premium inverter ARnnHVSFNxxxxxx series w wifi (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP with wifi is 38-20dB

I use the premium inverter AR09/12HVSDB models. Both are quiet even without activating quiet mode.

QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Nov 5 2014, 05:38 PM)
Was intrigued by Samsung modern design, but in the end decided to get the Sharp 2.0HP Plasma Cluster inverter for RM2599 with installation (Samsung 2.0HP Inverter with Virus Doctor was RM2499 with installation) at the recent Home Dec. Somehow not convinced with Samsung reliability and also their designs keep changing very fast (worried on spare parts availability once warranty over). Sharp has its own A-Force team for air conditioner, so hopefully no problems on after sales support.
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I use the Sharp 2.0 and 2.5 inverter in my dining and living. Their 1HP AHXP10LV since installed in my old place very clean. My installer every time come service says no need to clean or chemical wash. I turn on self clean mode every time after usage. Gas top-up wasn't necessary day 1 it was installed. Only thing is intermittent fan noise but that could be due to less than 6" ceiling clearance. Turn off and on ok dy.

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:16 PM)
Hitachi on quiet mode 19dB confirmed but their AUTO fan speed still too noisy for my liking.

Samsung triangle AR series depends on which range and HP.
Deluxe Non inverters  ARnnHCFSxxxxxx series (R22)
1.0/1.5HP - 35-25/37-26dB
2.0/2.5HP - 41-30/42-31dB

Premium Non inverters ARnnHCSDxxxxxx series (R22)
1.0/1.5HP - 35-25/37-26dB
2.0/2.5HP - 41-30/42-31dB

Deluxe inverter  ARnnHVFSxxxxxx series (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP - 37/38-22dB
2.0/2.5HP - 42-26/44-30dB

Premium inverter ARnnHVSDBxxxx series no wifi (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP - 36/37-21dB
2.0/2.5HP - 42-26/44-30dB

Premium inverter ARnnHVSFNxxxxxx series w wifi (R410a)
1.0/1.5HP with wifi is 38-20dB

I use the premium inverter AR09/12HVSDB models. Both are quiet even without activating quiet mode.
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Samsung triangle good to used additional filter from daiso, much easy for paste filter on top cover.
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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Nov 5 2014, 03:55 PM)
im actually interested on sharp aircon due to its plasma custer thing... and samsung for the nice modern design...
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Sharp inverter with Plasmacluster is value for money. One of the cheapest inverter. Samsung second cheapest but if go for that make sure premium inverter model which has VirusDoctor and Self-Clean like Sharp. Just make sure you use really good piping. Only thing is Samsung has 4 core wiring vs other sushi brands which uses 3 core wiring. You need to pre-warn your installer (normally they would know more) and if doing with pipe and wiring, put in 4 core wires.

One thing is that the Samsung model needs more breathing space than most sushi brands. Refer to their installation manual and comply and it should be fine.

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 3 2014, 06:52 PM)
I never on my samsung triangle aircond yet, those samsung triangle user, how is the aircond? My house need around january only can done
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If inverters, plan wiring properly and also carefully adhere to breathing space requirement for compressor. Kimchi brands need more breathing space generally.

Samsung inverters uses 4 core wiring. Download manual to confirm and show to installer to prepare him. If 4 wires, most likely need to pull wire. AC piping - I never looked back since using Inaba Denko or Smartco. Both marketed as Paircoil. Better buy your own and get installer repipe.

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:43 PM)
If inverters, plan wiring properly and also carefully adhere to breathing space requirement for compressor. Kimchi brands need more breathing space generally.

Samsung inverters uses 4 core wiring. Download manual to confirm and show to installer to prepare him. If 4 wires, most likely need to pull wire. AC piping - I never looked back since using Inaba Denko or Smartco. Both marketed as Paircoil. Better buy your own and get installer repipe.
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All inverter use minimal 4 wires. Live, neutral, ground, and data. Some have 2 data line. My Panasonic use 4 too.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 5 2014, 08:55 PM)
All inverter use minimal 4 wires. Live, neutral, ground, and data. Some have 2 data line. My Panasonic use 4 too.
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ME still used 3 wires + earth, also power for 3 wires
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 08:23 PM)
Samsung triangle good to used additional filter from daiso, much easy for paste filter on top cover.
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LOL, I bought one. But very hard to find stock.
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post Nov 5 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 09:04 PM)
ME still used 3 wires + earth, also power for 3 wires
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Something new to me. What model is this? I like to download the installation diagram to study.


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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 5 2014, 09:27 PM)
Something new to me. What model is this? I like to download the installation diagram to study.
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post Nov 5 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 09:04 PM)
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From http://www.mitsubishipro.com/media/214726/...h549b_12-10.pdf

page 10 - 14, S1 = Live, S2 = Neutral, and S3 = Data/Singnal. It still have data.

From the design, it look like the ground coming from the copper pipe to the indoor unit.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 5 2014, 10:49 PM)
From http://www.mitsubishipro.com/media/214726/...h549b_12-10.pdf

page 10 - 14,  S1 = Live, S2 = Neutral, and S3 = Data/Singnal. It still have data.

From the design, it look like the ground coming from the copper pipe to the indoor unit.
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in the blower just follow the marking S1, S2, S3 only.. but make sure power supply from outdoor unit.
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Nobody bought samsung inverter?
Looking good n very high tech design.
Maybe next time i would go for it.
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/home-ap.../AR09HVSFNWKNME

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