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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Nov 5 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 5 2014, 08:43 PM)
If inverters, plan wiring properly and also carefully adhere to breathing space requirement for compressor. Kimchi brands need more breathing space generally.

Samsung inverters uses 4 core wiring. Download manual to confirm and show to installer to prepare him. If 4 wires, most likely need to pull wire. AC piping - I never looked back since using Inaba Denko or Smartco. Both marketed as Paircoil. Better buy your own and get installer repipe.
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All inverter use minimal 4 wires. Live, neutral, ground, and data. Some have 2 data line. My Panasonic use 4 too.
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post Nov 5 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 09:04 PM)
ME still used 3 wires + earth, also power for 3 wires
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Something new to me. What model is this? I like to download the installation diagram to study.


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post Nov 5 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 5 2014, 09:04 PM)
ME still used 3 wires + earth, also power for 3 wires
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From http://www.mitsubishipro.com/media/214726/...h549b_12-10.pdf

page 10 - 14, S1 = Live, S2 = Neutral, and S3 = Data/Singnal. It still have data.

From the design, it look like the ground coming from the copper pipe to the indoor unit.
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post Nov 29 2014, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Nov 29 2014, 10:19 AM)
Don't scared him lah, got 1.5 to 10 Hp

Price is around Rm2k-6k
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2 shops he is right, need total of 8-10 HP. My office 2k sqft we have total of 8hp. With two of these of 2.5hp each.
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post Jan 6 2015, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(YJYYEE @ Jan 6 2015, 08:28 PM)
York...now rebranded as Daikin... rclxms.gif ...they are pioneer in large scale air cond...but if home usage, get panasonic inverter type would save more electric
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Pioneer is carrier but they focus in upper market and large scale.
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post Jan 23 2015, 09:18 PM

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Don't look like pipe leaking to me. Drain pipe is always on Tue bottom. Could be leaking from above/ behind.


QUOTE(audy @ Jan 23 2015, 06:22 PM)
hi all, my aircond remote mysteriously is alive again.  I was able to turn on the aircond using the remote  rclxms.gif  I really don't know what happen. The battery was the same, I didn't put in a new set after posting here. I have tried so many times before to switch it on but couldn't and finally when I sought help here, the remote works again.

On another note, I suspect that the aircond water isn't draining.  In the picture attached, you can see a patch of wet wall next to the aircond.  This only became obvious when I tried to cover the area with putty filler as the paint was peeling off. The side of the aircond also felt damp. The wet patch isn't starting from the top of the wall so it couldn't be leakage from above.

Does anyone have any contacts for aircond contractor for me to call?
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post Jan 26 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 26 2015, 07:41 AM)
900w really too much for non-inverter, I guess Daikin ga do much lower for cooling king

0.9kw x 2 hrs = 1.8kw x 0.256 = 51 cents

Vs

0.7kw from Pana non inverter for compare only.
For hrs at 36 cent.
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You can't do such calculation. What is the BTU for both the model? Cooling is about BTU, not Watt. If Daikin have higher BTU, it will not need to run 2 hours full time to cool the room, and it reach optimum performance faster.
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post Jan 26 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 26 2015, 11:11 AM)
This is just a example even in some website they do the same calculate.

In b4 Pana from 1st inverter they calculate base on 1.5hp to compare with non-inverter.
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Need to know the BTU, and the BTU/Watt, only than need to know the efficiency of the unit. Putting partial number won't give true result.
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post Jan 27 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 27 2015, 10:47 AM)
Not to recommend, just share experience.

My office just replaced an old air-cond Pana (with plasma) that already a decade old with basic non-inverter 1.5HP Pana at about Rm1230.
Installation fee I guess was about RM180.

Surprisingly, it is quiet and cool (not the like someone said non-inverter is noisy and not cool).  tongue.gif

The cooling effect is better than the old air-cond (also 1.5HP) with plasma one.

May be the plasma feature that installed at the cooling fin affect the air-flow a bit, I don't know, as I saw a rectangular plastic plate at sit in front of the cooling fin.
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Because that someone only see the world go around him biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2015, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 3 2015, 10:34 PM)
not sure about samsung A/C but the panasonic ones you can dim the LEDs. i found the blue light also way too bright. stuck paper over it until i noticed you can dim the LED to a much more appropriate setting. this applies to all their inverter units i have units from 2008-2012 and they all can be dimmed.
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Hmm, didn't notice is dim-able, what button you use?
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post Feb 4 2015, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Feb 3 2015, 11:31 PM)
Press and hold the Up button for the timer (Triangle symbol) for 5 seconds
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Thanks, will give it a try.
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post Feb 6 2015, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 5 2015, 11:16 PM)
Press and hold the up-arrow @ the timer panel for 5 seconds to dim or restore the unit’s indicator brightness. Pretty nifty.
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Thanks, tried and it work. Now need to find out if sharp have similar function or not.
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post Feb 6 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 6 2015, 01:44 PM)
you're welcome. the brightness drove me crazy in the night. once you dim its OK. the dim works for every inverter A/C since 2007. i have various units to try on. for other manufacturers you might have to call to check. esp. blue LEDs are very annoying and most of the times too bright.
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If panasonic drive you crazy, wait till you see sharp. Is at least 2x brighter
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post Feb 22 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Feb 22 2015, 05:03 PM)
Any announcement which year in M'sia no more R22 gas ?
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2030
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post Feb 22 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 22 2015, 05:35 PM)
M'sia really damn slow for never care for global warming

Unless others 1st country saving earth.
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Do you know when Singapore stop using R22? Is also 2030 and they still have the most A/C per household compare to Malaysia. Majority are also R22
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post Feb 22 2015, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Feb 22 2015, 05:33 PM)
Some say by 2015 no more using of R22 gas ?
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http://www.jandgassociates.co.uk/Downloads/R22PhaseOut.pdf

There is another more detail article about the phase out, you can google it. By 2030 is still a moving target. Just like Car with R12 gas, many country you still can buy it and still cheaper than R134a, and it was suppose to phase out 20 years ago.
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post Feb 23 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Feb 23 2015, 12:13 PM)
Thanks !

Do you know when was below article prepared ?

http://www.jandgassociates.co.uk/Downloads/R22PhaseOut.pdf
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No idea. The dateline is consistent to what I read on other HVAC site
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post Feb 23 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Feb 23 2015, 12:43 PM)
Thanks ! This type of conversion is difficult to implement as it involves lots of country.

I am now considering non inverter ME model using R22 as I will not be using the air-cond for too long and not setting low temp as well.  biggrin.gif
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It doesn't matter R12 or R410a, both operate similar, if you operate at open environment or short usage either type still the same. In fact some study show R410a degrade when operate in higher outdoor temperature. These were done by property scientific study with proper proof. Not even have any noise different. Unlike some claim expert who say R22 give noise and vibration, and r410a better performance without any scientific proof.

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R22 and R410A split air-conditioning systems were tested and compared as outdoor temperature ranged from 27.8 °C (82.0 °F) to 54.4 °F (130 °F). The R410A system tests were extended to 68.3 °C (155.0 °F) ambient temperature with a customized compressor. When outdoor temperature increased, the R410A system performance degraded more than the R22 system performance. While capacities of both systems were approximately equal at the 35.0 °C (95.0 °F) rating point, at the 54.4 °C (130.0 °F) outdoor temperature the R410A capacity was 9 % below that of R22. For the same test points, the R410A COP (EER) was 4 % and 15 % lower than the R22 COP (EER), respectively. The degradation trend was linear. Since both systems employed identical heat exchangers and similar design (scroll) compressors, the refrigerant and lubricant used in each system had the dominant effect on the measured results. Operation of the R410A system was stable during all tests, including those with the customized compressors extending up to the 68.3 °F (155.0 °F) outdoor temperature and resulting in a supercritical condition at the condenser inlet. No noticeable changes in noise level or operation of the system was noted.


http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build02/PDF/b02186.pdf
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post Feb 25 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 25 2015, 11:41 AM)
You can't test wiring issue by simple this method and it is not advisable to be done on someone do not know about electricity.

This is ill advice statement to start with.
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Simply write won't cause much, the person that take that advice and used it may be in danger. Some people just never think when writing advice.
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post Feb 25 2015, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Feb 25 2015, 08:03 PM)
Indon 2016 and r22 will be extinct and expenaive price in future
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Next year you go indo and see got or not.

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