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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post May 25 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(nanan75 @ May 25 2015, 04:45 PM)
Is airconds more expensive now with gst?  Wanna shift to econavi inverter..
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Price should be the same. The most may up by 1% since GST replaced SST and seller can claim back 3% from government.
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post May 25 2015, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ May 25 2015, 06:33 PM)
One more question,regarding d air-cond on off switch(with d red light),can we on 24/7?
Will d power comsumption very high?
As i am a bit lazy sometimes to on d switch as it is at d far end corner of my room.
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Can, you can leave it on 24/7, provided you do earth leak test weekly.
As per ST(government)'s advise, it is good to power off and unplug(if possible) the appliance when not in use.
If you leave it on, it will consume some power, this you need to check the spec of the air cond.
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post May 25 2015, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ May 25 2015, 10:36 PM)
I dun think most of d air-cond installed can be unplugged,unless u ask d installer to do it purposely for u...
I know it will consume some power for sure,but by how much? Ani rough figure? Like rm10 / month?
So from bro kimsim,i got ur meaning by jz leave it on rite?
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That's why I said if possible, else just turn it off thumbup.gif
It will consume few watts only. But the risk is, if got lightning strike, it will damage the air cond.
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post May 26 2015, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 26 2015, 07:31 AM)
No such thing lah... My house keep it like weekend home in JB from our all Aircon switch didn't turn off at all, unless is doing maintenace..

Thunder and lightning strike also won't kena.

Unlike is uncle & anutie at home nothing to do with just simple on & off.. Later cause by PCB spoil and out of warranty the cost lagi expansive than bill in more or less Rm10 only laugh.gif
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Well, I do know you. Whenever I say cannot, sure you will say can.
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post May 26 2015, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 26 2015, 07:49 AM)
Sure you can do it, if your Aircon was window unit or old school Aircon without built in backup switch then no choice loh
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Yup, you are right, that's why I use non inverter total monthly bill still way lower than your monthly bill. Using all inverter appliance but still high on utility bill.
Your lies are being busted whistling.gif
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post May 26 2015, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 26 2015, 08:07 AM)
using inverter appliance will definitely low on utility bill ... but the monthly bill still depend on ur usage... a dude using inverter aircon daily for 12hours , the bill is definitely higher than dude who use non-inverter aircon for 4hours daily ...

nevertheless , it only cost extra RM300+ for an inverter air con, i dont see why ppl still opt for non-inverter , using R22 gas ....
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Nope, out of all inverter alliances in the market, only air cond's savings are significant.
Like a WM, non inverter for 10KG TL need about 900W while an inverter need 700-850W of power, but the price difference are ~rm200-400 depending on brands.
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post May 26 2015, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 26 2015, 08:16 AM)
im talking about inverter aircon here...about inverter WM , they claimed that lesser vibration , quieter ....im not sure about that
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Nope, what causing vibration? Is the bearing design. When your vibration are low, it will reduce noise as well.
Back to air cond, like you said, depending on usage. Both of the air cond will work hard during the first few hours(as said again, your room condition matters) and when the room are reaching the set temperature, inverter will start to reduce its output while non inverter still continue to work hard.
As for WM, direct drive's failure rate are higher and usually will be noisier, especially if your load every wash are close to the boasted capacity.
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post May 26 2015, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 26 2015, 12:21 PM)
That meant they cut cost..

Inb4 never has it happen
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Trust me, if this rubbish happen in your favorite Samseng or Mitsubishi brand you will say differently doh.gif

QUOTE(babyk @ May 26 2015, 12:25 PM)
either cut cost or the QC did not bother about the gas filled, because they know the installer has to check

anyway, no cost incurred for me as it is bear by installer
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Sometimes the gas leaks during installation.
But the gas are cheap anyway, so as long as you are not paying, is still ok.
Mine also got this problem before, but lucky the installer stay opposite of my house thumbup.gif
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post May 27 2015, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(irwan6179 @ May 27 2015, 07:57 AM)
Non inverter: 100% and 0% only
Inverter: 100%,90%...0% or so

If you really want to measure the cost, get the kwh(kilowatthour) for one whole day for several days because there are so many parameters that affect power consumption.
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The most important factor is to ensure all cable connection are tighten properly.
Then follow by turn off appliance(not on s/by mode) when not in use.
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post May 30 2015, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(startitan @ May 30 2015, 01:29 AM)
Hello guys my house come with concealed piping. I would like to know if it possible to use R32 gas air-conditioner with the current copper piping as heard that R401 gas air-conditioner do not support concealed copper piping.Thank
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Rather than asking such question, why not do the pipe thickness measurement first?
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post May 30 2015, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(norman05051984 @ May 27 2015, 05:33 PM)
silly question here.

Can i install 2 indoor unit connecting to 1 outdoor unit. Let say i install 2HP outdoor unit and for indoor unit i will place it in my living room and the other at my master bedroom.

During the day i use living room, at night i use the bedroom. Is it possible?
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Can, but the efficiency will be much lower.
Installing air cond both of the units should be as near as possible.
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post May 30 2015, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ May 30 2015, 08:41 AM)
hi, sifu here

I had installed brand new air cond. two month ago.
But these few weeks i noticed rusty water droplets on the bottom my outdoor unit.

Do you guys have any idea on what it the root cause ? or any had experienced it before ? bad installation ?
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Call the shop where you bought it.
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post May 30 2015, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ May 30 2015, 09:48 AM)
well, i just called the air cond installer. he told me to deal with the manufacturer of the air cond.
guess, i have to deal with the shop sales person to whom i buy as suggested by @supersound
At first, i thought the reason will be the outdoor unit installation process.

FYI of this thread, its a hitachi 2.5HP.

Another unit is 1.0 HP Hitachi. later i going to check on this another outdoor unit whether have the same problem or not.
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If because of cheap material used like some joker said, it won't have rusted water droplet. Looks like more on leaking.
And it is still new with warranty, right?
Air cond water are quite corrosive compare to normal city water hmm.gif
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post May 30 2015, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ May 30 2015, 10:04 AM)
yes. it still have warranty. only just two month. and i seldom open this air cond. probably 4-5 times until today.
your opinion will be on 'leaking' ??
is it means during outdoor unit installation process ?
or it still probably fault with the manufacturer ?

haiz. my bad luck. of all unit, my unit got this problem.

well, i am now in the tai-chi loop.  A point to B, B point to C, etc, etc
well, if any here thought it will cause by the installation of the outdoor unit. please post here.
I now will go for the option calling the shop sales person to contact manufacturer. dunno how long the entire resolution process will takes.
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Go back to the shop you bought it, make noise, if they still refuse to look in to your matter seriuosly, waste rm5 and send them to tribunal court.
This is nothing to do with so-called condensation issues, it is more on installation or blocked cooling fin.

QUOTE(cherroy @ May 30 2015, 10:40 AM)
It is condensate (the piping is cold with warm humid air out there, just like a glass of ice water, you have water outside of the glass), not something 'leaking".

Improper insulation of copper pipe during installation also can cause this problem, (the cold copper being exposed too much).

But rust normally happened after sometimes, which depended on the steel plate paints/coating material.
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Just the above photos can tell, no condensation shall take place on outdoor unit.
First photo the bottom part do have rust marks, it is due to install too near to the roof and getting water splashes during rain.
While second photo are installed below roof, so it is still clean.

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post May 30 2015, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 30 2015, 01:34 PM)
That 2 different unit of condenser is your?

i never get wrong there is after switch from national brand into pana model were over 10++ yrs already, no wonder didn't feel not cold enough, if you compare from the latest condenser design was small and small size than your previous model at all, like a 2hp condenser now.
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Nope, I just look for units that have water mark below, just to help you guys justifying cheating are right. Mine are even worst, no rust mark at all, even after 10 years.
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post May 31 2015, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(lan_86 @ May 30 2015, 11:40 PM)
any a/c mechanic here?

My super old a/c  only run for few minutes then compressor stop,indoor unit still running but no more cool air...I can feel slight vibration on the wall before it stopped.

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Looks more like fan failed, you don't need mechanic for this, you check your self first then only call air cond installman.

QUOTE(queenc @ May 30 2015, 11:56 PM)
anyone can recommend me 1.5hp aircond below 1.3k

found few model panasonic and daikin slightly above 1k.

can recommend me 1?

thx
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Non inverter or inverter?
How's the usage like daily? > 5 hours or <5 hours?
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post May 31 2015, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(nateberuk @ May 31 2015, 09:00 AM)
should i go for 1hp or 1.5hp for my room..the room is small like 6'x6'..i heard 1.5hp quite saving for the gas instead 1hp..im using for night/sleep since now is very hot to sleep without it..and yes my pc is in the room
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Are you sure it is a 6*6 room?
A single bed already eat up 3*6 already. So, do measure again.
1HP can fit a room up to 10*12 as the surface area also matters.
Brand A's 1HP won't same as brand B's 1HP.
Over size the air cond's HP won't do any good as it will damage the air cond faster.
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post May 31 2015, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ May 31 2015, 06:28 PM)
12x12 (sq ft) need 1.5 hp?
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If Korean brand, yes, you need. But if you are getting a Japanese brand, 1HP are good enough.
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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ May 31 2015, 09:16 PM)
Sharp...newly installed ... Around 1month only...don't think it's cooling coil issue
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Looks more like draining part partially blocked causing water can't flow out effectively sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hushymushy @ May 31 2015, 09:43 PM)
hey bro....mind educating me how exactly over sizing the aircon will damage it faster....

i have 2 rooms that might be oversized....

1st room: 16'x26.5' with a 2hp aircon, no windows

2nd room: 16' x 14' with 1.5hp aircon with 8'x5' windows on 1 side of the wall

before i renovated my house, my own room used to be smaller, 10'x14' with a 1.5hp aircon....room is cold...no doubt.....
but the aircon after 2 years seems not as good....could be sign of wearing....

after reno i moved that aircon to a less utilized room....
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Letting any electric appliance that are using motor, compressor to cut in/out too frequent are very bad. The coil may deteriorates faster, if the wiring connection are not done properly, it may create arching.
For non inverter air cond, the storage capacitor won't store enough charge to energize the outdoor unit.
As said, the surface area(after putting all furniture matters) needs to be known before choosing an air cond. Just the empty measurement won't be that accurate.

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