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 An Investor’s Review on the Unit Trust Investment, Unit Trust Investor is unprotected!

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magika
post Oct 26 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 26 2014, 09:07 PM)
UT is managed by approved Management Companies (MC) endorsed by SC
MC engaged licensed Fund Manager (FM) to manage portfolio(s)
FM make mistake(s) too coz they r human being
Even Warrant Buffet (living Legend) lost $ from its investments in IBM n Coke
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I would say it is not the matter of not making profit. Its the matter of how it is sold to the general public.
Almost all UT agents will give you a big fat rosy projection picture and maintaining that it is achievable. Whereas the possible potential downside is just mentioned in passing. So for those not in the know, they will fall in hook, line and sinker.

However UT should be quite a useful tool in increasing ones net worth, provided we researched and learnt the intricasies involved. Thats why for those intending to invest should ask around sifus like wongmunkeong who has been investing in it for some time, rather than jumping in head first then realised it is not as straightforward as presented.

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post Oct 26 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 26 2014, 09:19 PM)
I would say it is not the matter of not making profit. Its the matter of how it is sold to the general public.
Almost all UT agents will give you a big fat rosy projection picture and maintaining that it is achievable.
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magika,

Come on... Let's have some COMMON SENSE....

S only make money from selling stuff to you. S does not lose money if you lose money from buying his / her stuff.. Hence, it is in S's best interest to tell you the good side of the stuff but none of the bad stuff.

Before YOU or anyone listen to someone, the first question that you should asked is how does the person earn his / her money?? Is there a conflict of interest here??

Now, only people with NO COMMON SENSE will not know this. But, as I said again and again...

Common sense is highly uncommon....

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post Oct 27 2014, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 26 2014, 10:25 PM)
magika,

Come on...  Let's have some COMMON SENSE....

S only make money from selling stuff to you.  S does not lose money if you lose money from buying his / her stuff..  Hence, it is in S's best interest to tell you the good side of the stuff but none of the bad stuff.

Before YOU or anyone listen to someone, the first question that you should asked is how does the person earn his / her money?? Is there a conflict of interest here??

Now, only people with NO COMMON SENSE will not know this.  But, as I said again and again...

Common sense is highly uncommon....

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yes, common sense. biggrin.gif Its only common sense to those with some experience in it.
For example home electricity circuit, when there is disruption in home electricity supply, how many people knows how to check ? Its common sense for those who have experience in it.

Quite a number of people ( without investment experience) have made losses in Stocks, UT, so its common to them.
Whereas those knowledgeable in investment knows what to do when their investment nosedive. Thats common to them.

However, I am not saying UT is no good, its only that the general public doesnt know about its inns and outs, thereby more awareness should be disseminated.

By the way, I am not really involved, only felt disheartened when every now and then will hear from friends and forums about people loosing hard earned money. shakehead.gif



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post Oct 27 2014, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 27 2014, 07:55 AM)
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However, I am not saying UT is no good, its only that the general public doesnt know about its inns and outs, thereby more awareness should be disseminated.
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magika,

You do not get IT. The COMMON SENSE here referring to DO NOT EXPECT UT salesperson to tell you all the bad stuff (risk) about UT.

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post Oct 27 2014, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 27 2014, 08:13 AM)
magika,

You do not get IT.  The COMMON SENSE here referring to DO NOT EXPECT UT salesperson to tell you all the bad stuff about UT.

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You wrote in different paragraph man, how I know! Maybe you are rite, no common sense. notworthy.gif

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post Oct 27 2014, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 26 2014, 08:23 PM)
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The one who is really barking for no valid reason here

The people whom u label as professional cons ARE ALSO THE ONES WHOM EPF APPOINT AS EXTERNAL INVESTMENT MANAGERS.

Your agents, your bank officers, they are only SELLERS, SELLERS, SELLERS, SELLERS; sellers don't manage the unit trust funds!

Just like when u buy a car, and it's faulty, u go to the manufacturer, u don't go pour red paint on the salesman's house front door shakehead.gif

U really got me doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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OMG.... my fund is managed by EPF "school drop out"! No wonder I lost so much money, no wonder the performance is so sxxk, no wonder we have 80% of craps in the market .... cry.gif cry.gif ... if I were to know earlier, I won't invest at all ..... cry.gif cry.gif

I don't intend to humiliate school drop out. Some of them are really successful like Bill Gate, but the percentage is small.

Since knowing the fact, someone still actively promote UT, fun supermarket, etc... Now I got it, this is one way immoral man becomes rich.
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post Oct 27 2014, 12:04 PM

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TS, why don't u tell us, who u really are and what is your intention of opening this thread...

Stop giving us stomach ache already whistling.gif
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post Oct 27 2014, 12:35 PM

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time wasting to talk to ppl who wanted to get rich but does not wanted to put extra effort to get information. Even information feeded to them, they will still stick to their point of view (Chinese call this lembu. Tunjuk pun tak faham)
Argument will never end.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 27 2014, 12:04 PM)
TS, why don't u tell us, who u really are and what is your intention of opening this thread...

Stop giving us stomach ache already whistling.gif
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What is TS? Is that my member's name?

I blame UT because the fund manager causes me to lose money. I don't agree that this is solely investor's self inflicted because they are lazy to do research. If an ordinary investor who loses money is to be blamed harshly because they are inexperienced and choose the wrong UT fund, then what about the well versed experienced UT professionals that pick the wrong stock for investor after doing extensive research? God damm it! Fxxking idxxt! Bxxtxxd!@#$&*@## vmad.gif mad.gif .... oops... gentleman don't use foul language.

You also know how to saylah when your car is faulty you should complain to the car manufacturer. Do you blame yourself for the faulty car?

No matter how smart and how hardworking the UT investor is also useless if we are given UT funds that are defective, faulty and misleading. The bank "007" and spokesman should solve the root cause first before pointing their finger on investor's ignorance.

If u watch the movie maleficent, u should be able to guess my intention!
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post Oct 27 2014, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(kmunz @ Oct 27 2014, 12:35 PM)
time wasting to talk to ppl who wanted to get rich but does not wanted to put extra effort to get information. Even information feeded to them, they will still stick to their point of view (Chinese call this lembu. Tunjuk pun tak faham)
Argument will never end.
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Getting info is easy especially the con and crap one are everywhere, but how reliable and how realistic???
Make empty promise (in the prospectus ) and sweet sales talk are also easy but never use brain to excel in the performance, jux know how to blame investor lembu!
What a small brain!
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post Oct 27 2014, 01:36 PM

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Allah/Jesus/Buddha/God/Fortune/Luck/Whatever helps only those who help themselves.

Period.
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QUOTE(Maleficient @ Oct 27 2014, 01:23 PM)
Getting info is easy especially the con and crap one are everywhere, but how reliable and how realistic???
Make empty promise (in the prospectus ) and sweet sales talk are also easy but never use brain to excel in the performance, jux know how to blame investor lembu!
What a small brain!
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ur topic named "review on the unit trust investment" instead of "review on unit trust sales person". Instead of blaming the investing mechinery, you should either change to yr topic or blame why you trust sales people so easily?
If a person selling you a 1000cc car and tell you that the car have the same hp as 2000cc car will you believe it and straight away put deposit? If you believe it then gong xi fa chai rclxms.gif
I believe prudent people will do all kind of research before believing what other people said.
"Money wont come to you without any effort unless is your father's money" tongue.gif
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post Oct 27 2014, 02:20 PM

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TS is acronym for Thread Starter can also mean Terribly Stupid is certain scenarios.

Dear Thread Starter,

Being whiny is not helping you look very smart in this forum. How about you let us know which fund you have invested in that made you lose money. Let us know also when you invested and when you sold. With tangible numbers we can all make an objective assessment, rather than emotional one.

Want? Game on? Or you prefer to discuss about Geneva, pegasus, or some skim cepat kaya?

Xuzen

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QUOTE(Maleficient @ Oct 27 2014, 01:23 PM)
Getting info is easy especially the con and crap one are everywhere, but how reliable and how realistic???
Make empty promise (in the prospectus ) and sweet sales talk are also easy but never use brain to excel in the performance, jux know how to blame investor lembu!
What a small brain!
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Prospectus NEVER MAKE PROMISES.

It's obvious u don't know what are u talking about.

Even sales brochures don't make promises, it merely lays out historical and/or POTENTIAL returns. U know your English? Know what is the meaning of the word "potential"? And any investors with COMMON SENSE should know that history may not necessarily repeat in the future.

What else u have? Come...throw it out whistling.gif

And, if your UT agent REALLY promised u X% of returns, PROVE IT, report him/her to Securities Commission/Bank Negara or even the UT company. I can guarantee that u can get back your dues.

Otherwise, go die, REALLY, I mean it.

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There is always good good fund manager as well as bad fund manager.

So as investor, you need to choose a good fund to invest.

No fund is guarantee your principal nor any return rate. (don't need to look at how prospectus stated previous return got how many or not, as history never guide nor guarantee how future will be)

It is just merely you give your money to fund manager, and fund manager use your money to invest into stock market, bonds etc. Whether it will be making profit or loss, it depends what the fund manager has invested, on top of that, fund manager charge you a % of the money as management fee.

This is a simple process.

It is willing buyer (investor), willing seller (fund manager).


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post Oct 27 2014, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(kmunz @ Oct 27 2014, 02:19 PM)
ur topic named "review on the unit trust investment" instead of "review on unit trust sales person". Instead of blaming the investing mechinery, you should either change to yr topic or blame why you trust sales people so easily?
If a person selling you a 1000cc car and tell you that the car have the same hp as 2000cc car will you believe it and straight away put deposit? If you believe it then gong xi fa chai  rclxms.gif
I believe prudent people will do all kind of research before believing what other people said.
"Money wont come to you without any effort unless is your father's money"  tongue.gif
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no, it's the other way round, they sell me BMW but the quality is worse than proton.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 27 2014, 02:20 PM)
TS is acronym for Thread Starter can also mean Terribly Stupid is certain scenarios.

Dear Thread Starter,

Being whiny is not helping you look very smart in this forum. How about you let us know which fund you have invested in that made you lose money. Let us know also when you invested and when you sold. With tangible numbers we can all make an objective assessment, rather than emotional one.

Want? Game on? Or you prefer to discuss about Geneva, pegasus, or some skim cepat kaya?

Xuzen
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Batman is coming to catch Joker! I once admire u so much wub.gif but now we are enemy. Oh no... I am supposed to be a sexy witch. U looks so handsome Batman! Can you rescue Maleficent? The evil old cat wants to kill me... icon_question.gif

If I am smart I won't end up losing money in UT. To stop people from whining, then put effort to perform in the fund lah so that investor has no chance at all to complain on u. What we want is result, result, result!!! and not jux selling, selling, selling.




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post Oct 27 2014, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 27 2014, 02:24 PM)
Prospectus NEVER MAKE PROMISES.

It's obvious u don't know what are u talking about.

Even sales brochures don't make promises, it merely lays out historical and/or POTENTIAL returns. U know your English? Know what is the meaning of the word "potential"? And any investors with COMMON SENSE should know that history may not necessarily repeat in the future.

What else u have? Come...throw it out whistling.gif

And, if your UT agent REALLY promised u X% of returns, PROVE IT, report him/her to Securities Commission/Bank Negara or even the UT company. I can guarantee that u can get back your dues.

Otherwise, go die, REALLY, I mean it.
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The fox tail is coming out...

Why u bother so much on my whining? Why everyone get crazy when I hammer on their bad fund performance? Does my whining affect ur biz? Or u r once the fxxkxxg fun manager that played on investor's money? Your friend who barks a lot is smarter than u for leaving soon...

Remember, don't play play on other people money! U r lucky because most of the fund are bought by C that are usually timid and lazy to complain. If M and I, long time ago all UT co. have been burned down.

The conman wants to kill me because I reveal his biz secret and pour salt on his wound.... sweat.gif

Catch me if u can !! cool2.gif

If I die, u will be dragged to hell for abetting!! whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Maleficient @ Oct 27 2014, 07:02 PM)
The fox tail is coming out...

Why u bother so much on my whining? Why everyone get crazy when I hammer on their bad fund performance? Does my whining affect ur biz? Or u r once the fxxkxxg fun manager that played on investor's money? Your friend who barks a lot is smarter than u for leaving soon...

Remember, don't play play on other people money! U r lucky because most of the fund are bought by C that are usually timid and lazy to complain. If M and I, long time ago all UT co. have been burned down.

The conman wants to kill me because I reveal his biz secret and pour salt on his wound....  sweat.gif

Catch me if u can !! cool2.gif

If I die, u will be dragged to hell for abetting!!  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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The 5 stages of grief http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model

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1. Denial
As the reality of loss is hard to face, one of the first reactions to follow the loss is Denial. The person is trying to shut out the reality or magnitude of his/her situation, and begins to develop a false, preferable reality.

2. Anger
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. The person in question can be angry with himself, or with others, or at a higher power, and especially those who are close to them. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would God let this happen?"

3. Bargaining
The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow undo or avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use anything valuable as a bargaining chip against another human agency to extend or prolong the life they live. In essence, the individual cannot totally move into acceptance yet acknowledges the fact that what has happened cannot be undone. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek to negotiate a compromise. For example, one may say "Can we still be friends?" when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it is a matter of life or death.

4. Depression
"I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the grieving person begins to understand the certainty of death. Much like the existential concept of The Void, the idea of living becomes pointless. Things begin to lose meaning to the griever. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and sullen. This process allows the grieving person to disconnect from things of love and affection, possibly in an attempt to avoid further trauma. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the 'aftermath'. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It is natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation. Oftentimes, this is the ideal path to take, to find closure and make their ways to the fifth step, Acceptance.

5 Acceptance
"It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals begin to come to terms with their mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. This stage varies according to the person's situation. People dying can enter this stage a long time before the people they leave behind, who must pass through their own individual stages of dealing with the grief. This typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable mindset.



Bro, you are at stage 1 and 2. The sooner you get over with, the better for you....
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LOL TS is having schizophrenia now

ok la I surrender biggrin.gif

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