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 An Investor’s Review on the Unit Trust Investment, Unit Trust Investor is unprotected!

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SUSsupersound
post Oct 27 2014, 08:32 PM

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For people that making lost in funds, it means never do proper homework.
But from people that are making money from people like TS, for sure it will lead to group bashing. If everyone are clever and don't buy any funds, agents won't able to enjoy luxury life.
Like some BN leaders said, you must be thankful when a fund give you dividend after donkey of years whistling.gif

This post has been edited by supersound: Oct 27 2014, 08:33 PM
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post Oct 27 2014, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 27 2014, 07:21 PM)
The 5 stages of grief http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model
Bro, you are at stage 1 and 2. The sooner you get over with, the better for you....
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good find! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

if TS cant take any advice/criticism then u shouldnt post anything in this forum at all. it's a free speech world in here


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post Oct 27 2014, 09:10 PM

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Another roulette player..

TS.. Mind to share which fund you bought? Let's discuss and pint point which the fund is making losses after so many years..

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TSMaleficient
post Oct 28 2014, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(NeN51 @ Oct 27 2014, 08:48 PM)
good find!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

if TS cant take any advice/criticism then u shouldnt post anything in this forum at all. it's a free speech world in here
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Yes, u r right! So I can talk anything I like (like the bank who has no liability in sales talk/information given).

This thread is actually meant for educating naive investors but ends up wasting time arguing with UT craps.

Why? Because terlalu banyak UT craps yang tidak tahu membalas budi pelabur mereka. Here, u can see that UT craps (terribly stupid) that fails to perform in the fund shouts louder than the investor and keeps slapping investor's face (dummy) on their own poor performance. So what is the different between terribly stupid and dummy? They are the same, it's jux a matter of turtle laughs at tortoise.

Now, the dummy has a challenge for u!! What about we pay u 50% of our profit and u also share 50% of investor losses? Does it sound fair to both UT and investor? This is called performance based hard reward + hard punishment. (I think the UT craps are going to throw me hand grenade!) Based on the current standard(quality) of UT performance with 80% craps and 20% good, all the UT co already gone bankrupt long time ago if this performance scheme was implemented. If u r still survive, u r indeed terribly smart!!

The fun manager who makes fun of dummy investor $$$ has no more fun!! na...na..na... na.. whistling.gif whistling.gif




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post Oct 28 2014, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 27 2014, 07:45 PM)
LOL TS is having schizophrenia now

ok la I surrender biggrin.gif
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It is really good to be mentally disorder thumbup.gif , because I don't need to bear any liability for my action like the bank!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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post Oct 28 2014, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Maleficient @ Oct 27 2014, 06:36 PM)
no, it's the other way round, they sell me BMW but the quality is worse than proton.
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Thats the problem. You thought ppl sell you BMW but it is actually a proton. Did the fund tell you it is BMW? it is the sales person telling you is BMW.
The investment mechanism has no problem. Problem is the sales person and you. doh.gif
Sales person will tell you all the pros and put aside the cons (btw which sales person not like this?). How many percentage of sales person who earn commission for a living will tell you the cons?Be smart, do a research and dig out the cons yourself and determine if it suits your risk appetite. Nowadays is internet era, you are provided with all kind of platform to dig information.

Anyway, I see alot of experience investor are trying to give you advise in fund invesment but seems you are ignorant. If thats the case, my advise is for you to keep your money under the pillow and pray inflation stagnant. smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(kmunz @ Oct 28 2014, 11:46 AM)
Thats the problem. You thought ppl sell you BMW but it is actually a proton. Did the fund tell you it is BMW? it is the sales person telling you is BMW.
The investment mechanism has no problem. Problem is the sales person and you. doh.gif
Sales person will tell you all the pros and put aside the cons (btw which sales person not like this?). How many percentage of sales person who earn commission for a living will tell you the cons?Be smart, do a research and dig out the cons yourself and determine if it suits your risk appetite. Nowadays is internet era, you are provided with all kind of platform to dig information.

Anyway, I see alot of experience investor are trying to give you advise in fund invesment but seems you are ignorant. If thats the case, my advise is for you to keep your money under the pillow and pray inflation stagnant.   smile.gif
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Someone once said, Waja = Asia's answer to BMW tongue.gif

But, anyone with sane mind would know that u cannot buy anything that performs close to a BMW for less than RM100K
If u believed the sales pitch...your intelligence comes to question.

And, did we see anyone suing Tengku Mahaleel for his Asia BMW claims? whistling.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 28 2014, 11:52 AM
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post Oct 28 2014, 01:33 PM

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A long time back I had a look at unit trusts for investment.

I found out that the initial charge here is much higher than overseas.

Then I forgot about UT.


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post Oct 28 2014, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 28 2014, 11:50 AM)
Someone once said, Waja = Asia's answer to BMW tongue.gif

But, anyone with sane mind would know that u cannot buy anything that performs close to a BMW for less than RM100K
If u believed the sales pitch...your intelligence comes to question.

And, did we see anyone suing Tengku Mahaleel for his Asia BMW claims? whistling.gif
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Never heard people who bought Waja and complain the car does not perform like a BMW. If there is such person, everybody will laugh at him.

TS is in such position now....he complained how come cars can break down. Why did the car salesman only mention to him the car can travel at RM180km/h ? Why didn't the car salesman mention to him car could break down also ? God damn the car (not salesman)
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QUOTE(prody @ Oct 28 2014, 01:33 PM)
A long time back I had a look at unit trusts for investment.

I found out that the initial charge here is much higher than overseas.

Then I forgot about UT.
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Time to re-look at the online platform. Much cheaper now. If still want cheapest, use overseas platform
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 28 2014, 01:37 PM)
Time to re-look at the online platform. Much cheaper now. If still want cheapest, use overseas platform
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Yeah, it's definitely better than the 6% previously.

Now just need to wait.
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post Oct 28 2014, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Maleficient @ Oct 27 2014, 12:56 PM)
I blame UT because the fund manager causes me to lose money.


Buying a UT is like hiring a fund manager (because that is what you are doing.) You pay him, you give him your money, and then you trust him to do a better job than you can. If he doesn't, then you should fire him lol. Why do you continue to pay him, and then you want to complain?

As the employer, it is your decision to continue paying him. If you can do better, you should have done it. Whose fault is it that you hire a person that is not good at his job, and then you pay him for ten years smile.gif

Basically, a fund manager is just an employee. You hire him, you pay him, you decide whether to continue paying him. It's not his fault that you are losing money, he's just doing his job as best he can. No fund manager starts out saying, "I'm going to lose money for you". He does his best, and if his best is not good enough for you, you should have let him go.

But you don't, and you keep him on for ten years, and now you want to complain? if you hire someone, you are the one that assumes the risk, because you are the one that gets to keep most of the profits smile.gif

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post Oct 28 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 27 2014, 08:32 PM)
For people that making lost in funds, it means never do proper homework.
But from people that are making money from people like TS, for sure it will lead to group bashing. If everyone are clever and don't buy any funds, agents won't able to enjoy luxury life.


True enough, if you can do your own surgery, doctors will have no jobs smile.gif


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Oct 28 2014, 02:42 PM)
True enough, if you can do your own surgery, doctors will have no jobs smile.gif
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Talking about doctors...

Doctors DO screw up sometimes.
And if they can prove that they have followed proper procedures and exercised due care, you cannot sue him. E.g. during surgery, IS suicide bombers bombed the electricity generators, threatened the doctor at gunpoint, and your surgery went awry. U lose your testicles (lol!)...u cannot sue the doctor. U simply won't win. This is not within his control.

Same thing for fund managers.

U think the fund manager acted contrary to unitholders' interests? Prove it. Then u have a case.

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wah, this thread is still alive & kickin.. I tot Mod already close it by now tongue.gif
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post Oct 28 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Oct 28 2014, 02:42 PM)
True enough, if you can do your own surgery, doctors will have no jobs smile.gif
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While both doctor and fund agents will cheat as living, doctors need to spend 6 years to get the cert while agent no need to have cert whistling.gif
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post Oct 28 2014, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 28 2014, 06:12 PM)
While both doctor and fund agents will cheat as living, doctors need to spend 6 years to get the cert while agent no need to have cert whistling.gif
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It is like someone just woke up and realized that even a luxurious car that involves in an accident, can actually caused fatality to the driver despite the present of various "on board" safety features that money can buy.

I am amazed that the argument lasted for as long as 5 pages! But good info guys!!
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post Oct 28 2014, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(limelight @ Oct 28 2014, 09:03 PM)
It is like someone just woke up and realized that even a luxurious car that involves in an accident, can actually caused fatality to the driver despite the present of various "on board" safety features that money can buy.

I am amazed that the argument lasted for as long as 5 pages! But good info guys!!
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This is a nerve pinching thread, regardless to people who bought it and people who selling it.
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:40 AM

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Its not only UT that buyers need to beware of the risk and rewards involved. Same goes for Stocks, ILP, Saving Plans, MLM and so on. For those with the expertise then there is the possiblity of making money. For others without the intellect then , you are at the bottom of the food chain. If there are no losers, then there are no winners. Win win situation does not exist , there will be a party paying for it directly or indirectly.

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post Oct 29 2014, 10:41 AM

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What about this article..?

Any sifu can comment....



What funds would not like you to know

ARE funds (mutual/unit trust/actively managed funds) the way to go to invest for the long term? There are numerous glossy and enticing advertisements by funds trumpeting excellent returns, but at the same time warning that past performance is no guarantee for future performance.

In the US, more than US$10 trillion is held by nearly 10,000 mutual funds. If you take out money market funds and bond funds, about US$5 trillion is in stocks. Is funds investing safe and does it provide superior returns (relative to the relevant benchmark indices)?

Majority does not beat benchmark indices

Did your fund portfolio beat the benchmark? Congratulations, for you are in the minority. In the book, Wall Street Versus America by Gary Weiss (formerly with Business Week), he said “if you had shares in an equity mutual fund on January 1, 1984, just as the bull market was taking off, and held on to it until December 31, 2003, the chances are better than 90% that your fund failed even to match the performance of S&P 500 stock index”.

Can you imagine – 90%? Even the betting tables at Genting Highlands offer better odds. If you are going to put your money to work by investment pros, you should expect superior performance. Isn't it difficult to believe that only 20% of funds have managed to beat the benchmark?

The fees charged put most funds on the back foot. Actively managed funds usually incur trading costs – front- and back-end loads, advisory fees, advertising campaigns, and commissions payable to sales and distribution channels. We are not even talking taxes yet. The fees accruing to unit trust sales forces in Malaysia is a good example, hence it is very difficult to locate funds that actually provide superior returns from the personal EPF investing scheme.


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