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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V12, Areas Klang valley & Johor

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post Oct 23 2014, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 01:37 PM)
please quote the appreciation over the years... name projects, we can analyse carefully how was the status of appreciation.. ok?

my friends also bought 1 units behind the shell station tmn desa, the food court area.. 600k this year.. condos
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All condo price in tmn desa hav never drop before la...... dont ask me specific pricing in yrs.... i only see price higher yr after another....
old condo like, faber ria, faber height, obd..... price still increase even the condo is already 20yrs or more.... Even leasehold prop abadi indah, danau permai also increasing....

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post Oct 23 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 01:52 PM)
you are expecting and think I am mentioning those old condos to undergo bubble? how much was the entry price? 200k to 300k ? or less..

think you have misconception on the bubble meaning, it quite clear, it is targeted at newly vp units and outskirt major developments

if you are holding a 200k units in tmn desa condo, how to bubble? you think bubble hit mature areas and old properties?
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KNN....... U are the one who says old condo price wont appreciate mah..... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 01:30 PM)
20 years... if these LYN members are 20 years to hold highrise, they are fully cooked lor.. 20 years high rise surely old.. price stops then, think 5 years after, no agents will be interested to sell your old units..

so many new launch and nicer facade... not to mention older units are old and same time also pricey, owners self call price
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And your definition of bubble also very funny..... people buy at 200k-300k then means no bubble for them.... on the same condo ppl buy at 500k-600k then means bubble for for them..... So your bubble definition is for ppl bubble or for prop bubble???...... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Oct 23 2014, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 02:17 PM)
i dun fancy staying there.. maybe you tell us your successful stories
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KNS..... U looking at OKR prop...... U dare to say U DUN FANCY staying in Tmn Desa??? Cannot afford say cannot afford la......... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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[quote=bearbearwong,Oct 23 2014, 02:34 PM]
[quote=AppreciativeMan,Oct 23 2014, 02:28 PM]
KNN....... U are the one who says old condo price wont appreciate mah..... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

ya, did I say bubble?

And your definition of bubble also very funny..... people buy at 200k-300k then means no bubble for them.... on the same condo ppl buy at 500k-600k then means bubble for for them..... So your bubble definition is for ppl bubble or for prop bubble???......

property does goes in time as mention and agreed before, the pace is different..

guys holding 200k to 300k are built up with burden of 1500 installments, and flip to 500k or more,

guys holding 500k to 600k condos are having how much of burden? what is their next selling price? 700k to 800k?

now you which is riskier? those ppl holding the lower tier properties how to bubble? you guys holding 600k and 500k bubble first isn't? they can sell below 500k and as long more than 200k and 300k.. you guys can afford or not selling below 500K?

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The number of units is already fix in a project.... Regardless in between how many ppl buy or sell..... It is also means the number of ppl holding the prop is equivilent too...... So if u are buying into that proj, why does it bothers u who buys at what price??...... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Or u mean, when a proj hav more new purchaser.... The proj is more easy to hav bubble???...... laugh.gif thumbup.gif

Eg, Tmn Desa Faber Height..... If now hav lotsa units changing hands or transacted..... So the Condo will hav bubble??.... tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Oct 23 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 02:37 PM)
i just started comparing... those with cheras props and kajang props..
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Compare living environment first before comparing prop la..... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Oct 23 2014, 02:55 PM)
4 consultant Vs 1 bear bear. bear2 geng!
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got to eat more pork liver and do exercise more often liao...... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Oct 23 2014, 04:38 PM)
Bear2 can we cut these nonsense & get to the point.

How much is your income aka salary per month exact number (mileage claim, birdnest feed profit not included, as those are not official)

Where is the exact location you decide to buy, don't says whole cheras from Miharja to MC, Sg Long which part, OKR which property, which price tag (make 50K variance only, don't from 400K to 1.5M as that not make sense).

Give up exact number eg. 5.5K gross, Makota Cheras 400K apartment, Can afford pay 20% downpayment after withdrawing EPF, Legal fees & MRTA need include in loan.

Don't beat around the bush if you sincerely asking for advice, we will not laugh at you, poke fun a bit maybe, no need give GF income figure as you not yet married.

We teach you strategy how to buy fast & minimize  inflation loses. brows.gif
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He wont say la...... How much he can afford he knows very well......

Jus that he is not unwilling to face the current facts and situation...... Scare this scare that..... Scare after buying price really drop then he'll become a laughing stock..... So finding excuses from every angle to make his own "judgement" correct or accepted by others........ whistling.gif whistling.gif

If in this forum hav more DDD ppl..... most probably he already show his GF and hao lian abt it liao...... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Oct 23 2014, 05:44 PM)
If he born 10-15 years earlier maybe got hope.
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15 yrs ago no G&G yet guah......
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 07:39 PM)
hie, have you thought about what section of ppl buying vped units?
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Hav u thought of where u intend to buy or stay already???.... cool2.gif cool2.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 07:46 PM)
planning to get condo, but if too expensive, then buy landed better..

ok lar, only need 1 now and another one later..
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Condo more expensive so buy landed????...... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

I think this can be another code of the century...... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Oct 23 2014, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 23 2014, 07:53 PM)
yes I have, kajang or cheras areas  high chance bandar mahkota cheras area

dun alwayls hantam me, things I said are got base one
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if what u say got base how to hantem u??....... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Anyway..... kajang or cheras i cant help.......... no comment....... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Oct 23 2014, 07:56 PM)
I think dsl more expensive....maybe buy semi D la....
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semiD expensive la....... Bungalow better....
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 24 2014, 01:54 PM)
it is not inflated, it agreed/allowed . rental dun say, few hundreds only, furthermore, it is my relatives one..
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This is one of the arguement all the while mah....... Told u seller offered price, buyer agreed & accepted and it's transacted..... So u cant call it inflated price anymore..... Its already an agreed market price.... cool2.gif cool2.gif
But what was your arguement all the while??..... So once again... different things or things in your favor then u can say if its agreed/allow then its not call inflated???...... KNS.... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 24 2014, 03:38 PM)
Unless selling price in sibu is higher, by your definition, kl purchasers are also water fish.
Believe this is how the syndicate moved the price and the herd took it hook, line and sinker.
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Please eleborate...... or its jus your pure "speculation"??? whistling.gif whistling.gif

Transacted means cost!! I'll like to kno which syndicate really so "silly" to do it in this way...... or at least..... share with us which condo hav such syndicate doing it?..... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(johnchew91 @ Oct 24 2014, 03:37 PM)
If the rumors map is accurate, there should be a station in front of the paparich which is the parking area and another in front of pbb..
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300k apartment can't expect too much.. But most of the resident is Chinese not foreigner..
might be a little bit better for resale in future..
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U hav done enough homework.... I would say if u think its good to move forward then u shld do so...... Nobody can guarentee your future, except your own action.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Oct 24 2014, 03:43 PM)
If interested to discuss about general issue of property price up or down, please head to the famous U/D topic

Ty


(Wow !  ohmy.gif  Now i only know this is "Famous" U/D topic leh, even Moderator is recomending, must be one of Moderator Pick.. thumbup.gif
People sell house high price is flipping, not added value just greedy piggs waiting to earn, but his PAMA land free from ah kong is not.
People increase rental is greedy & evil, but he himself flip the rent to earn money, somemore from relative is not.
People house vacant is waiting for bankrupt but his PAMA Sri Kembangan New Village empty land doing nothing is not.
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bbw personality and character is the key issue.... sweat.gif sweat.gif

whatever the market info he has been talking, sharing or commenting are all bias to his own benefits.... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 24 2014, 04:13 PM)
Ever wonder why after end of bull run be it stock, gold, property, etc, few if any herd member not under water?
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Answer my question first la.....
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Please eleborate...... or its jus your pure "speculation"??? whistling.gif  whistling.gif

Transacted means cost!! I'll like to kno which syndicate really so "silly" to do it in this way...... or at least..... share with us which condo or project hav such syndicate doing it?.....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 24 2014, 05:13 PM)
I accept the theory of agreed & accept, but the market price disagree, most of time no valuation fetch, then under table valuer to give valuation, after this distortion, the owners claim new valuation, price increases . the under table don't just stop there, it then distorted again and again under table again and again..
we havent add distortion of the borrowers who cant borrow money.. few rounds of these distorted valuation become loans approved to borrowers who are not capable of loan servicing, a lot are coming before August 2013 before DSR was in force , this cause mini American collapse model... loans to under qualify borrowers

in the past it was like 90% of gross salary still need to under table means these investors/buyers are very very bad
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The way u eleborate its like there is a lots of undertable to get valuation............ Which i will strongly disagree..... I dont deny there are cases of undertable to jerk up valuation transaction going on....... But there is never a lot...... And rarely ridiculous jerk up.......

2ndly, how much can they jerk up?..... U think bank also blind?.... 500k prop they can jerk up to 700k or 800k???..... doh.gif doh.gif

U really good in living in your own imaginery world...... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Oct 24 2014, 05:29 PM)
Malaysia bank actually is very prudence in lending , what Bearbear said just on a very small percentage of cases.

U think bank really so easy lend to ah pig ah dog meh, if like this loan shark can chap lap dy
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Thats why i say he is living in his own imaginery world...... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Oct 24 2014, 05:32 PM)
u check more clearly with bankers, you are right on the valuation point not much can be stretch around extra 10-15% upwards, but the tings, every new purchase stretch a bit , then different effect, that is one of the reason price go sky high..

owners bank on the distorted valuation..make a lot of effect, once one distorted valuation is in, owners not taking it as one off case of distorted valuation, they tread this as "market price" and further distort further the valuation

this is the problem, irregardless the bank giving valuation, it is still no price to value , not to mention they inflated it another 200k earlier already

it is now after DSR 70% see surge of loan rejections, loan approval rates, but still loan officers/manager got target to hit, otherwise commission burn, one thing the bank can do is abolished all forms of commission , freebies, benefits for loan approved, this will promote what " along chasing scenario" no matter how, what, they will make the loan happen.. no earning documents , no problem, cannot get valuation, no problem, and etc..

this valuation and inflated activity is like a rubber band, once stretched till max, it breaches affordability limits, now segments stop at 400k to 800k section, that is how weak the buying powers are

increase more, it will be like no taker property,
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Continue to live in your own imaginery world..... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Sorry..... I'm not so patient to explain so many things like others...... sweat.gif sweat.gif

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