I saw many ppl in malaysia still use gas stove whereas in sg almost all use induction cooker.why?

nothing wrong ...... just their choice ma ....

singapore gas mahal, while in malaysia gas still cheap

But still using induction here also cheaper and fast cooking

if u go serious for cooking
the induction was not hot enough,
if western food then no problem la

http://www.citygas.com.sg/forhome/useful-info-2/gas-tariffs/

http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/irj/servl...ID1332134938209


> The electricity tariff for households is 25.28 cents per kWh (with effect from 1 Oct 14 to 31 Dec 14)

> The gas tariff for households is 21.06 cents per kWh (with effect from 1 Aug 14 to 31 Oct 14)

> The water tariff for households is $1.17 per cubic metre (below 40m3) and $1.40 per cubic metre (above
40m3)


So Gas is cheaper or Electric cheaper?

Induction is easy, footprint are smaller, it heat up fast, efficient than gas. Induction may not be as reliable as gas because it have electronic component.

If you use lots of hot water e.g. hot shower, gas still cheaper. And Rinnai sell lots of gas heater in Singapore.

It really depends on what you want/need.
Definitely induction cooker consumption cost is higher than gas cooker, but it look neat and mush faster to heat up.

And some people say gas cooker can produce a higher overall heat which can cook better. In Cantonese they call it 'Wok hei' Technically i believe is due to gas cooker can produce a more even heat on all surface of the food, rather than an induction cooker which produce heat by the induction plate surface only.

quite the contrary, it is the opposite, gas cooker cost more than induction cooker.

see here: https://www.bijlibachao.com/appliances/cook...-induction.html

pls note m'sia using LPG stove (Liquefied Petroleum Gas)

i can see pretty soon induction will replace gas cooker in future.

Come back 10 years you see gas still selling and people still using it to cook. Electric cost more to produce, because most untility company it still use natural gas to produce. Unless we switch to nuclear.

Gas produce good heat compare to induction, especially good for Chinese cooking.

Malaysia got gas subsidy. So the induction still can't beat the gas cooker for the cost of a meal.

And when the gas cost up, electricity cost up also.

I use induction cook for whole mth and the bill can shoot extra RM10-15+/mth. This is just 1 cook ring /1800w. How long 1 tong gas last?

The good of induction is, it easy to clean and takecare. No gas tong, hose and regulator. No fire hazard and explosion.

But still can't beat the gas fire. The way the fire heat the cook ware even. And the fire that can reach the cookware surface where induction can't.

Speed of cooking
Energy cost
Safety and maintenance

Choose any 2 out of the 3.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 1 2014, 10:45 AM

Without subsidy, gas still cheaper. Singapore is a good example to check the utility price.

Probably you are not living in Malaysia.

Granted, this conjecture assumes no new discovery of gas fields within the next 10 years. South East Indian Ocean or near it could hold potential gas reserves. Thanks to effort to comb for the ill-fated MH370. On the face of it, you may be right if none turns up within the 10 years. But hey, anything can happen.

It depends to stove you are using. If we are talking about those fancy stove with built in oven that cost thousands, sure induction cooker win hands down.
But if we were to compare with those old school rm50-100 type of gas stove, no need to say more, gas wins
Now my villa are using induction cooker, the cooking time increase from 25 minutes to 30 minutes. But I counter this problem by using hot water to soften the noodle and vege first to get back the 5 minutes.

some of the first world countries enforce the use of induction is due to the long term cost.

some costs are hidden and you'll not see it immediately, such the effect of petrol based burning cost to the environment.

i don't want to provide too much details as it will derail everything. if you want a short answer whether gas stove or induction which one cost more, I can directly tell you it is gas stove.

At least 2 months or more. Still depending greatly on type of stove used.

Can't say like this. Have to see where our stand is.

Actually LPG do release some cancer causing agents.
But when telling this to our old men, they will say, I already cooked for so many years and nothing happen to me

If there are no more discovery all energy will sure go up.

thanks for the first post. but that's normalized for india prices.

here's when it's normalized to malaysian prices:

adjusted for RM1.90 per kg LPG from KPDNKK controlled pricing.
adjusted for RM0.33 per unit electricity averaged from normal RM150-ish bill.

assuming that this :

is correct.
the original reference at http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appl...fs/cookgtsd.pdf could no longer be found.

so no.
LPG cooking is still cheaper in malaysia. even when the efficiency is at 40%. if you take into account the adoption cost of a good induction cooker, the higher risk of failure of the component; it's a no brainer really.

Good calculation. Electric charges 33cents is average price? our non subsidy rate is 50+ cents.

Another question coming in now, how you get the hot water?

You are right, some of the country yes. But definitely not in Malaysia. Maybe you do not know Malaysia rate. Do refer to paskal post.

Environmental friendly or not will be another aspect.

You refer to paskal post then you will know why i say rewer is not from Malaysia.

Yes, this is more applicable to Malaysian.

In Middle East, people's monthly electric bill about rm900-1000 during summer.
Hot water is from dispenser, then have to use microwave oven to "boil" it more.
I don't bother on what environment friendly or not. If we really want to go green we should be using hydro generating power and not using gas or charcoal.
If want to go green, induction cooker seems to be better option, as we don't generate CO2 inside our house while using gas yes.

sorry but that is complete nonsense. our electricity comes from gas and coal. they burn it! this causes even more CO2 because conversion of gas-electric-electric losses-conversion to heat is way more CO2 producing than going gas-burn. no way to argue about that.

That's why I mention "seems". Don't jump in to conclusion so fast.

yes. for users up to 400 units/400 kwh per month. bill should be RM128.6, which translates to RM0.32 per unit (RM128.6/400).



but people with RM130 bill usually aren't the ones that will go with these high tech cooking thingy.
let's adjust to people with bill at RM230 as those people are more likely to get one.

RM231.8 / 500 units = average at RM0.4636 per unit.
so it will get to this:


but hey, if you bought one of this induction thingy and it bumped your bill up to the >600 unit, you average will be even higher. the cost will go even higher.

How come the tariffs go up and come down again one?

Use this one, direct from TNB

http://www.tnb.com.my/residential/pricing-...riff-rates.html


Tariff A - Domestic Tariff
For the first 200 kWh (1 - 200 kWh) per month 21.80 sen/kWh
For the next 100 kWh (201 - 300 kWh) per month 33.40 sen/kWh
For the next 300 kWh (301 - 600 kWh) per month 51.60 sen/kWh
For the next 300 kWh (601 - 900 kWh) per month 54.60 sen/kWh
And Onward 57.10 sen/kWh

the tariff did not come down. how come you see it as go up and come down?
the table is pretty much straight forward.

the last calculation i did, with the tariff at RM0.33 per unit is from memory. i remember reading the averaged electricity cost for malaysia is RM0.33 per unit. turns out its RM0.32 per unit, for people with bill costing under RM128.

nobody less probability people with electricity bill less than RM130 would even consider going induction. they simply can't afford the cooker. it's a few thousand, which is better spent buying food.

RM231.8 / 500 units = average at RM0.4636 per unit.
RM 452.70 / 1000 units = average at RM0.4527 per unit.

My calculation wrong?

can't use this one bro. as the tariff is increasing.

people with bill at RM43.6 is paying RM0.218 per unit.
but people with bill at RM77 is paying at RM0.257 per unit. because the next 100 unit after 200 is at RM0.334
and people with RM128.6 is paying at RM0.3215 per unit for their 400 unit of usage.

did you get it?
it's averaged for all the units.

you can't say your AC costs cheaper to run at the start of the month because your bill is by then <200 unit and costs higher at the end of the month because by then you bill is already over 600 unit.

My first questions are:
1) Do you cook?
2) Did you own induction cooker?
3) Do you know how much it cost for table top gas cooker/induction cooker?
4) Did you know how much it cost for induction cooker spare part?

No need to argue here. Gas is still the cheapest in Malaysia. However in term of efficiency. Induction>Hot Plate>Gas but still gas is the cheapest to operate. Take my words

you still don't know how to calculate your electricity bill ah? aiseh.

say u used 500 units.
first 200 unit = 0.218 per unit = RM21.8
next 100 unit after 200 = 0.334/unit = RM33.4
next 200 hundred after that 200 = 0.516/unit = RM103.3

so total = 21.8 + 33.4 + 103.3 = RM158.5
so your average per unit is at RM0.317

feel free to correct.

Nope you can't count like this.
It has to be split, so 500 units will be rm180.3

Yes, total bill then averaged. Air cond save only avoid extra units consumed if inverter vs non-inverter. Or even for solar without heater backup vs instant water heater. Average over total units consumed.

1st 200 units already rm43.60

in malaysia we like to play with faiiyyaahhh.....no argue.....truestory.jpg

do not need to argue, why not ask your mum use induction to cook cantonese dish?

i'm sure she will call you cook your self.

Between, gas price is much much cheaper compare to SG.
Using Gas in SG is very expensive....

Gas stove have to depend what type. As said, those 4 burners with oven below won't have high efficiency compare to those rm50-100 type.
Also, have to depend on the quality of LPG also, if the content having more heavier HC fractions, it will affect the firing also.
Gas burners depend greatly on air/fuel ratio
But again, when comparing on the price, good induction cooker cost rm1+++ or more while a good gas stove will just cost rm50-100.

sorry i missed that. yes the first 200 unit will cost RM43.6

guys, this is not arguing. this is factual discussion on the cost.
before this people (even i) have no actual calculation on how much different induction VS gas. until the other guy posted the DOE link on energy comparison.

even tho it's normalized to india, the numbers inside it is based on fact. normalizing it to malaysian prices is easy once you know the number.

wife have been asking numerous time to go induction.
now i have scientific proof to turn her down. thanks to you guys.

Price of branded induction cooker starts from RM3k and above. Spare part (electronic board) could easily in range of RM600 to RM1000. People say the induction slower to heat because the table top cheap type just over 1000W but the cheap gas stove producing more than 2000W of heat power. Much of stove heat power are wasted to the air heating the kitchen. Not a fair comparison. However, gas is still cheaper to use.

The only thing nice about the induction is that you have flat cooking surface. Easy to clean and look nicer

Try fried rice for 5 people with induction cooker, even the ceramic hot plate will be tough without proper wok.

I have been using induction for over 6yrs. Base on actual of usage compare to gas, induction do cost more for a meal. And it is just a 1800w induction cooker.

Those who use 3KW or 4KW induction..

Understand what you mean. I put in the link to show how much the actual cost and subsidy cost we are paying. Gas is subsidized, but electric too.

I get 'RM231.8 / 500 units = average at RM0.4636 per unit.' from your own calculation, which i presume you get it from the table provided by you which you circle them in red.

I just jump 2 row down to get the RM 452.70 and 1000 units.

Yes, i do know how the TNB tariff works, just i didn't croos check it with the table provided by you.

And your RM 231.80 now become RM 158.50 after your own calculation.

And my colleague induction cooker repair twice, is a reputable brand.

Of course you need that flat bottom type wok for use with induction or hotplate. Sliding around if you cannot hold steady. The gas one wok sit nicely and has "stove assist"

No doubt even with proper wok also tough if you not used to it I can imagine

Don't use arguing, discuss more in depth will be better.
As said, going green are not just mouth talk. You don't produce CO2 at your home, but producing CO2 from other places because of the usage are still the same.
That's why I won't keep on saying safe the environment, because most of the activities we are doing are producing rubbish.

Well said.

Induction not really slow to heat. Instead faster heat than the gas. Boiling water, gas no match the induction.

I already throw 2 set. While exchange 2-3set between warranty.

This will answer those who think induction is cheaper to operate

Induction cooker do have for wok. Seen it before at 1U. I think the brand is pacific something.

I can buy 10 maybe 20 cast iron woks. Cooking just more fun with cast iron wok.

One more point need to consider for those who planned to go for induction. It is nice to have 1 piece of glass with 4 hobs for cooking and look nicer than your normal 4 gas burner hobs but if you have power supply unit PCB faulty then get ready to eat outside for a day or two or even longer if no spare parts

Induction have lots of electronic components. Heat is electronic components #1 enemy, and what do stove generate?

Get 10KVA UPS

Than again, for 4 burners, what is the KWh rating? 3000? or 4000? Wiring setup to handle that load?

Seem like another problem with induction cooker is durability.

The problem consist of button no feeling when press, button spoil after warranty and totally no function.

The most important of using induction is, don't OFF the main after cook. The internal fan will cool down the coil and OFF itself. Than you can OFF the main. Otherwise bye bye your induction.

Induction do have its +ve things. I used to use it frequently too. The portable unit. Fast boiling, and able to set timer. Make porridge for my baby, set timer and no need worry.

I think some brand the control/dial are more lasting. My colleague unit, the burner (induction coil) itself damage. Maybe he use it too long for soup boiling and the copper get damage.

The design to some extend already robust for house electrical but component failure is not predictable. The design of power supply is not like you imagine. Let say the power is 3kW. It will be shared among all 4 hobs. If you use one hob at one time, maximum designed power for that hob is supplied but if you use 2 hobs at same time the power might be reduced to share. So each hob might not operate at maximum design capacity. Even for branded one I believe all like this.

Just like aircon, you might not want to share wiring with other appliances. For my house I pulled separate cable, same size as incoming from TNB to kitchen and has separate DB (Distribution Box). So part of the kitchen and room at the back of my house go through separate DB than the original from constructors.

I save a lot of money because I did this together with my friend , Necessary or not? Can't really tell because depends on actual house wiring. Mostly wiring contractor not really honest on wire they use

I saw toyda or cornell induction cooker only rm 100. they are good right? any brand also good

Don't ask me on this, I never bother to such cooker. Too expensive for me.

rm 100 also expensive meh?

The bill that come later on

if you truely want to consider the cost you should not cost-average the electricity. you would be using units on and above you current consumption. so you need to check the marginal costs i.e. how much will an *additional* unit of power cost me. this makes it even less cost-effective.

The 50-100 burners you referred to is the one with 3 distrubtion rings as those used in CKT stall or Tai Chow? The ones that need a high pressure regulator types or some other units? Love those. When it's hot, it's very hot. On high burn mode, it gives a satisfying 'whrrr' sound.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Oct 2 2014, 10:15 AM

Nope, 1 grade lower, but still the firing is good
Those type need lots of air, else will result to yellow fire.

The burner have breather hole. I use all the restaurant type, from "coke can" type to "mui fa lou" silver color type where fried kueh teow always use.

Yellow fire only happen when there is blockage or the burner are dirty, a full blast of fire will solve the problem.

This post has been edited by weikee: Oct 2 2014, 11:34 AM

Emmm, not enough also, as coming to the end of life, the firing are very pure and leaving black residue on the wok's bottom.

That is the gas, any gas tank going to be empty soon will have some yellowish.

Not really, mine when reach 50% already start giving yellow fire. The gas quality matters.

Last time, I used to repair this 'jet engine'. Scary.

Possible, but i use red tank so far so good when reach around 20% or 1+month balance only have slight yellowish.

Blocked burner head will cause this also
But again, how much such burner cost? My side only rm65, still way cheaper than induction cooker

This post has been edited by supersound: Oct 2 2014, 12:32 PM

Induction cookers is good for cooking which requires minimal movement of wok from the heat souce such as Boiling soups, stew, etc

But things like stir firing which requires some movements, when the wok is lifted from the induction for too long, the alarm will ring or power is cut off

thus if we watch Hell Kitchen, its usually Gas that I see is being used

Wah...how so?

The fire burn strong and like jet engine sound. If you slow flame up the burner after open the valve, the bom sound scary. And you need skill to control open the valve how big. Nowadays all have pilot flame beside for easy fire up. Beginning time, no such pilot flame. If you use matchstick, prepare get burn your hand. So people light up a newspaper , put on the burner and than open the valve.

Ah... ok I get it. Yes, did here an ocassional 'bom' sound when they operate it during my school years.

Thanks. Made up my mind to get gas after reading this thread.

Although getting the gas silinder up 3 storey will be a challenge.

gas cheaper

now getting harder to find empty cylinder? current house only 1 tank but i prefer to have 2 now

any1 know the reason?

Why would you want to find empty cylinder? When you finished a cylinder, buy new one and keep old one. You get 1 empty cylinder. If you want additional spare, order two cylinders, return the empty one. Now you have one for use and one standby

This post has been edited by Zot: Dec 11 2015, 10:20 AM

Anyone here using induction built-in hob (not table top type)? What is the good brand?

using Teka IR631
http://www.teka.com/en/products/view/22055-hobs-ir_631

but now no more this model already

my boss complain "induction very slow to heat up"
first time using induction so i dunno if mine is working correctly or not
setting put to 5, above that scared burn my SS pots and pan

normally takes how long to boil a quart of water?

but for a house that currently have 1 cylinder. u need to buy a new cylinder either be full or empty.
problem now is it is hard to get a cylinder.

Many dealers said Teka service is bad. So about 9 years ago I went for Fagor, but recently the new technician is very bad. I was told that Fagor closed for a while and now just started again. Was it true? The problem is that the hob dimension is slightly different and I just try to avoid hole trimming. I'm using the modular type with 510x288mm. Looks like Rinnai has the exact dimension but it has no timer. Smeg is same dimension with Electrolux but dimension is 515x300 if not mistaken

LIke gas, how fast to boil water is how much power the hob can produce. Many table top induction is low power. So it might be slower than gas unless using small gas hob. If same power between gas and induction, for sure induction will win because induction heat the pot directly

deswai all these hob should have standard measurements, maybe one for square, one for rectangular. That way, can find a replacement without having to worry about cannot fit the hole....
anyway I think mine is pretty standard size.