Hi guys...yesterday i just went on window shopping in SW.....for an old xbox....cos sold mine to buy something for my car.....
Which i dearly regret cos missing the XBMC...the best multimedia box ever...plays anythinglah ....like VLC player....anyway....
Checked out xbox360 and now the NTSC asian version is RM1300....and he said there is modded version already.....they are selling the mod version for RM400 extra.....OMG....that mod can actually be done with a simple DIY procedure......well...i guess they wanna makan kau kau...hahahahaha.....Im gonna wait for Wii and see first...see how riding a horse with the Wii controller will look like?

So....what do you guys think....So fast the so called unhackable is hacked....IMHO...i think Sony and MS purposely had loop holes so that they will be hackable....
People buy consoles that are modded....and the more sales for that modded console...more developers will develope games for it......

and your point is?

well not really agree with you there. anything is hackable these days.
sony & msoft need/rely a lot on games developers lah without any games who will buy a new next-gen console?

That is a completely WRONG statement. I have to emphasise the wrong because it is totally the opposite situation.

Do you know HOW developers get their money? From the sales of their software. Their revenue totally depends on the volume of sales of ORIGINAL software.

They don't give a damn about sales for a console. What they really care about is how much their game can sell, and that's it.

Having a modded console WILL NOT cause more developers to do games for the console. It is quite the opposite. They will shy away, because the games that they have spent thousands on, or even millions, will be easily pirated, and they won't get a single sen from it.

Sorry, but I have to emphasise this. Modded consoles/piracy do not benefit the videogaming industry one bit.....

EG....

1)12 Million X consoles worldwide sold
out of these 12 million consoles, developers will never know the percentage
of the consoles that are modded.

2)5 miilion Z consoles worlwide sold
out of these 5 million consoles, developers will never know the percentage
of the consoles that are modded.

Now,
Lets say that X sold more bcos it has been hacked or has better or stable mod than Z.

If you were a game developer which console would you take a risk on?

LOL...it doesn't make sense, because developers don't really care about modded consoles. Like I said, they only care about how many games they can sell, since that's WHERE they're getting their money.

Sigh....IMHO this topic should be closed. Talking about piracy isn't really appropriate here. It has been done to death anyways.

That 's just silly. They're selling their console lower than the actual cost price. IINM, Xbox 360 Premium cost around USD 525 (doesn't include manufacturing cost), and they're selling it at USD 400. IIRC, Microsoft have to sell 5 original games to get back what they lost, and will only gain profit on the 6th game the gamers buy.

So, what do they gain by purposely making the console hackable to increase the sales? They get nothing out of it.

People who do business will take everything into account....hopefully you are not running a company...hehehehe

Dude.... in business, you take into account factors that affect your REVENUE.

Does piracy affect your revenue? Yes! But it's a NEGATIVE effect. So would you develop for a console that has a lot of piracy on it? NO! Why? It NEGATIVELY affects your REVENUE!

I can't believe this...you're talking about business, but it's such an obvious business equation. You DON'T do business on a console that will cause you to lose money! Goodness, I can't believe I'm arguing about business with someone who just doesn't understand business to begin with.

i agree to darkchaser to some point..
but MS did lose money for the XBOX1!
it explain those overpriced accesories, microtransactions in marketplace and stuff to get back some money..
and for microsoft.. yes they can afford a losing business..
if it was someone else.. i doubt 360 will come out after then first xbox..
remember they were selling for RM200 cheaper than cost price..


for the 360..
i heard a theory.. but it wasn't mine..
that hackable firmwares has been out for quite some time already
right now piracy for 360 has came liao.. and with full xboxlive support..
but Microsoft not doing anything about it yet.. eg. not banning ppl from live.. etc..
cuz they want to sell as many consoles as possible before the competitors start selling theirs..
then after that... POOFF!! they force some upgrades and start blocking ppl.. thus forcing them to buy original again...

don know how true but.. to an extend.. MS did do nothing about the hackable firmwares up to now..

This post has been edited by prazole: Sep 4 2006, 10:45 AM

Probably they're going to include it in the next Dashboard update which will be sometime around November.

the firmware came out before the last Update..
they didnt do anything about it..

back to that THEORY.. they plan to hit their target consoles sales first..
anything come later..

Well, it's a well known fact MS is losing money, and they'll continue to do so for a while. But of course, the 360 to them is a long-term investment. They probably don't expect to recoup their investment for another 2-3 years at least.

Things like LIVE, Marketplace and games is the only place where MS makes money, or for that matter, any console makers make money. Consoles? No, they're losing a lot of money there. By calculation, in order to break even, they have to sell around 5-6 games for each console to stop making a loss.

So imagine the amount that MS/Sony/Ninty are losing if piracy reigns.... they're selling a console at a loss, and can't recoup that loss through software/downloads.

This post has been edited by Darkchaser: Sep 4 2006, 10:52 AM

ya.. software the only way they are getting back
whats more? they are not doing well in japan

for ps3 and nintendo.. juz cater for their japanese customer..
they dont have to worry so much on losing money already..
like the DS.. they black one juz released in japan and.. SOLD OUT aLREADY..
not like its a hardware launch or what..

Yeh....thats right.........thats right...now that its online im sure they can do it...

It's the year 2006. You can pretty much 'hack' every electronic to some extent. Especially if it's a popular device like a game console. Sony and Microsoft purposely putting loopholes in their consoles? That's just stupid. One of the reasons Sony is using Blu-Ray is to prevent piracy of PS3 games. Basically everything you just said about people buying modded consoles which increases the console sales which encourages developers to develop games for it is just wrong

Hopefully you aren't either. Yes you are exactly right. People who do business take many factors into account. EXACTLY. How about this: Did you ever think that the console that sold more isn't as powerful as the console that sold less? I bet there have been more PS2 consoles sold than Xbox 360 consoles. But look, a lot of developers, big ones (Bungie, Epic, Capcom, etc.) are developing many games, big titles (eg. Halo 3, Gears of War, Lost Planet), for the Xbox 360, not the PS2. The PS2 is outdated you say? Well that's another factor that developers will consider. They obviously won't spend their time developing a game for a console that is not as popular anymore. Obviously it wouldn't sell as good compared to if the game were for a more popular console.

Guess you didn't take that into account did you?

Maybe they're not worried about hackable firmware. Has anyone actually tested a hack Xbox 360? Well a friend of mine has. Basically you need to flash the IC which is soldered onto the mobo everytime you want to play a new game. So you can play the current titles. No big deal. You can even go online without getting your account banned. But if a new game or update comes out, you're shit out of luck. You want to re-flash the IC? Go ahead. Re-flash it everytime a new game/update comes out. So basically you have to open your box, take out the chip, flash it, and solder it back on with risk of damaging it permanently. Have fun

Well that's one type of hacked 360 I've heard about. I don't know if there are other types which don't require re-flashing and such.


Too bad PrivateJohn is invading Europe. We need a lock on this topic and the topic title should be "I think I am smart"

XBLA Ftw!:P
hmm, playing backups of games u own is not EXACTLY illegal or violating the xbox live EULA.

Piracy is illegal. If you buy an original game and make a back-up for yourself then it's probably alright but that's not the case with piracy. You buy backups of a original game you never owned. The pirates are distributing backups and gaining money from them, which is illegal

This post has been edited by MobiusVyper: Sep 4 2006, 04:00 PM

every above is true but about "developers, big ones (Bungie, Epic, Capcom, etc.) are developing many games, big titles (eg. Halo 3, Gears of War, Lost Planet), for the Xbox 360, not the PS2." i dont really agree because new games reguired lot of horsepower so currently only xbox 360 is next-gen console that can support those heavy graphic...so they will focus on 360..but eventually when ps3 come out all big companies will focus on ps3....

That's exactly my point. They need the hardware power. I'm quite sure there have been more PS2 consoles sold in total compared to Xbox 360 consoles. carnby here is basing his opinion on more consoles sold and how developers won't know the amount of modded ones and will develop games for the console that has sold more. I'm trying to say that it's not just about the numbers

and if ur Gov join FTA with Americanas...they will ambush!! ..take no prisoner take no shit!..

at worst, they cut down p0rnographic material too.. (hints)

here at SG, there's a lot campaign to promote ori stuffs, ppl dun mind buying used original ones somemore easy to buy.

Yeah in SG it's cool. I wouldn't mind buying second hand stuffs as well. I wish I live in SG Maybe I will in 2 years. Thinking about it. Just need details about Universities and getting a PR

last time i saw someone selling pirated stuffs on a pedestrian bridge at SG near Suntec City... all the passer by didn't even bother to stop by and look at it... amazed me

all are welcome especially gamers . I bet u WILL be here..then u can join WCG every year...

quite often and those who stopped and see are enforcememt folks..

usually I always ask those kids, got MS Win XP?....they gulped

LOL....Most Singaporeans wanna get out of the country, and you wanna get IN?

Either SG or New Zealand NZ is too far away. Oh well we'll see where I end up in 2 years time

hehe.....come Jb u will be amazed....they not only buy ...but buy in bulk LOL

Lol.. you know what happened to me the other day, i went to the shop where djinn used to work. and asked how much the CoD2 was out of interest la (i can always buy from PA but see if this cheaper), they quote me RM200+! So i said you cannot give better price ah? I buy my psp, my 360 and all the stuff from you all and cannot give good price, what rubbish is this? so the guy on the side said, and i quote

"eh not interested in the pirated games issit, cheap cheap you know.."

WTF? If we are gonna get these fellows from MS to come in and officially have services like Xbox live in our country we have to get rid of the scum like this, advertising pirated games to the younger generation.

Anyways, back to story, so I said that my 360 was all original because I support original games now, I clean up my act. Then he look at me like im some minister's son or dunno what so rich, that horrible disgusted look. So i was total **** you man damn rude why should spend my pocket money there when they arent even polite ! stupid fellas...

This post has been edited by |Keantan|: Sep 4 2006, 07:00 PM

Well, I have bought games from there as well. Other than Djinn (when he worked there) and the girl, the others do have a problem with their PR IMHO.

But then again, most shops other thanTSB, TNL or Imbi Mario will discourage you to buy original games. I remember asking about a GC game at another shop in 1U, and they quoted me RM280 Of course I complained, since most GC games don't exceed RM240, and the reason they gave me was "this is original, of course la expensive"

carnbyresurrected, how bout u develop a game then i make privacy of ur game and sell it and u only get 20% of sales and my piracy get 80% of sales. good idea right?

This post has been edited by tailgunner: Sep 4 2006, 07:22 PM

good idea bro, lets kick it

before the ban-hammer kicks in, my 2 cents.

if MS was my company, that would be precisely what i'll do. changing the flag inside newer game so the hacked firmware can't work is so easy but MS still haven't come out with it. i believe because MS want to hit their 10M target first, and hurts PS3 sales also. after 2-3 months of PS3 launch would be the best bet for MS to release the patchs for hacked firmware.


the latest firmware doesn't need for keep on flashing the Chip. what you need to do just when burns the disc the SS are put in the right place. btw, keep on flashing the Chip will kill it, the Chip can only withstand dozens time of flash before kaput.


because buying in SG are dangerous, there might be eyes watching.

I see. Well who cares. Original FTW

few times i went to gamester when djinn not around and asked them is djinn/jason coming... they will give me that "muka tak puas hati" look for free!

haiyo those fellas ar... no support for ori games and because of those people everyone suffers. I mean even if you do to order one original games (like djinn's bulk) you can bring legit games and then show people like MS that it is worth to open shop and sell 360s and games here officially supported. but when these fellas front.. how can ma?

ORIGINAL ALL THE WAY. DONT SUPPORT PIRACY

I agree, Original all the way... i got the same treatment too when i go to gamester and look for djinn, the staff tak puas hati man...

I dont believe this. everybody knws that sony invented the blu ray disk for a reason. they risk selling a game at about rm300 so that the revenue will not be affected by piracy, but obviously they would make less sales right? or you could sell something for 150 and sell loadz but then afta a while they go flat cuz of piracy. its a risk they got to take, and for everybody's info i quote

"the blu-ray disk adds another extra layer of protection to the disk"

that means that there's less of a chance for it to get hacked into or pirated, but theres still a chance right? and anyways no malaysians would buy a game for more than 250. dead rising is probably people's max limit which is in between 200 and 250.

hmm so this not consider a firmware / hacking instead it's a CD drive flashing. This is wat are found in the xbox-scene website. Is't rite?

nvmlah just let it be lah. djinn also opening his own gamestore. so after this we all will get special promotion, buy 1 latest new game free 1 pre order game!


maybe to ps3 owners rm300 per BR game sap sap sui only... small matter.

that will be cool


my housemate is a sony fanboy, so he was like damn excited bout BR and he's confident that pirated games will come out for PS3..i hope it won't happen

som mor always poison me to buy pirated games, i was like "no way man!"

Can we agree that ?

Original FTW. About PS3 games, well I would say the cost of a PS3 game is more than the average gamer can afford. Same goes for the console. I have no plans of buying a PS3 at all simply because of the pricetags

This post has been edited by MobiusVyper: Sep 5 2006, 11:08 PM

wah. buy one free one game. I mati lo~

Most probabaly the ori stuffs are competitive and besides law enforcement in SG is good what....you dare ah go near the seller.....see you in jail man...but SG also got cheap ori stuffs....


Hehe..Djin if like that buy 2 get 2 free can ah....hehehe....

This post has been edited by carnbyresurrected: Sep 6 2006, 03:45 PM

yep... last time i when i was there, i bought some otak2 from an illegal hawker tepi jalan. well i didnt realize its an illegal hawker, but after that my colleague told me not to simply buy from the streets, the enforcers will fine both the illegal hawker and the customer if caught.

Didnt you notice that all the games that were made for the 360 are nearly as equal in in quality as the xbox.....its just a training ground for them....and they want to get a head start to master the dev kit supplied by SONY....everything into factor...thats what i mean....So that they can maximize the knowledge to produce better games in the near future....and besides...when do you think they can get the best income? Before they hackers hack the console or after they manage to hack the console....so they race against time to develop games while they get 100% genuine sales and good profit from the 100% original sales....bcos they know if they wait any longer out of 100 buyers only 50% will be ori software....but that doesnt mean they will stiop producing games cos they know the more consoles out there the more sales of ori versus pirated ones...in JAPAN and US and some part of EUR...

This post has been edited by carnbyresurrected: Sep 6 2006, 03:59 PM

The clock is ticking as you say this.......

You must be blind if you say 360 games are equal in quality as Xbox games. Training ground? Dude, you think developing for X360 is the same as developing for PS3? Two different console = two different programming methods/syntax due to the different programming language and tools provided, not to mention the difference in hardware. Your suggestion that X360 is a "training ground" for PS3 is laughable.

LOL...I think I need a translator here because I have no idea what you just said. Please come back with proper paragraphing, and more coherency, then we can continue our debate

Agreed!! Agreed!!! Now bro PJ needs to come back and banhammer this topic and we'll all be happy little Xboxers again

where's bro PJ? long time no see

Don't you notice that you don't have an Xbox 360 and you're talking about quality of the 360 games? You can't judge a game if you haven't played it personally first-hand. Training ground Same with Darkchaser, I don't quite get your point about the rest of your post.

So first you say that Sony and Microsoft purposely put loopholes in their console which will make it easier for hackers to mod the console which will then increase sales of the console which will then encourage developers to develop games for that console. Then you went on about console X and Z and how the console that sold more would be prefered by developers.

Now you're argueing that developers race against time to develop games before a console is successfully hacked in order to gain maximum income. Dude, developers don't care when consoles get hacked. They don't cut corners to rush a product to market. If your stupid theory is true, Gears of War would have been out by now as well as many other titles.

Invading Europe. Should be coming back in the next week or so.

Once again

This post has been edited by MobiusVyper: Sep 6 2006, 05:03 PM

Let me rephrase that.....i meant training ground for MS for xbox360....sorry not PS3...it not even out yet...typed to fast....

This post has been edited by carnbyresurrected: Sep 6 2006, 08:30 PM

I guess you are good enough to be in the Language thread....for people to correct each other....the whole thread will about correcting the previous replies......And please dnt be a language teacher cos i never asked for your comments about my grammar or verbs or whatever you nak panngillah....i pun dont care so much for your pendapat....but anyway i respect your opinion and will try to attend English classes....if possible by today.....

and it's going nowhere. We've already established the fact that what carnby said in his first post about Sony/Microsoft purposely putting loopholes in their console is just stupid and wrong. Immediate closure of this thread is needed

Have you tried rebooting ur brains?
Anyway.....sighh........got life tomorrow...got to sleep....bye.....

dude...get an xbox360 first...then talk...
with a 360 u ll get less sleep..even UNO can get u hooked for hours

agreed!thread should b closed

This post has been edited by pukarix: Sep 7 2006, 12:03 AM

I dont ned to buy an xbox360 to know how it works......reviews says it all.....anyway....i will be buying either 360 or Wii especially after hearing bout the steering wheel without cords for the Wii...I have to much of social life that i need enough sleep to work and socialize real time ...not vitually.....oh...no...customer calling....bye.....thats why im reverting too an unmodded next gen console.....hehe...not enough time to play them all..

Have you tried using yours? Seriously your points are stupid. You think multi-billion dollar companies like Sony and Microsoft purposely put loopholes in their consoles? Why would they want to do that? Having the console get hacked does not benefit them at all. It causes them to lose out. You were wrong all the way from square one.

Yet another stupid remark. Reviews say it all. If you really think so, you seriously lack some common sense. Playing the actual game/console gives you a better impression of the game/console rather than just looking at screenshots or reading some reviews. After reading some previews and looking at screenshots, I thought N3 was pretty cool, but after downloading the demo, I really didn't like it that I deleted the demo after my first play.

And if you're implying that we don't have a social life, you seriously need to re-think that. First of all, telling someone that they don't have a life on a forum based on video games/game consoles is one of the most common insults ever and it's seriously getting old. And obviously you're smart enough (hopefully) to realise that all of us do have a social life. So stop telling us that you "have too much of a social life and that you need enough sleep to socialise real time". And on a side note, you spelt 'virtually' wrong as well as other words.



This post has been edited by MobiusVyper: Sep 7 2006, 03:48 PM

LOL, let's just let this thread die lah. I need to concentrate on my business classes anyways since I was told I cannot run a business

Just one last... I can see that our man carnby here keeps assuming a lot of things. Assuming that Sony and Microsoft purposely left loopholes. Assuming I don't know business (LOL FYI I hold a business degree and am working in a retail company, and I find this comment very insulting). Assuming we all don't have social lives.

I'll teach you one of the first things I learnt when I studied in uni:

ASSUME = ASS ,U and ME

Good day

waa connie also selling firmware modded xbox360 just now i went there to buy saint row but theres no stock instead i end up buying rockstar table tennis

huhuhu

Same goes to Andy. Currently the modded is expanding. Choice is urs. But better go for original since there will be alot of surprise in online gaming in near future.

now too tired just came back from sg wang with bro pop & metal. we went and purposely asked around about those socalled "modded 360"... will give a complete story later tonight. now need some sleep

yup, the story was very2 funny . judge, don't forget to tell the others

eagerly waiting for it

Please make a new topic I am also eagerly waiting for it

Sure nice story wan ... make new topic. Need goo story to keep me awake at work. Im burning the midnight oil tonite. No Xbox Live

Hopefully ur RED LIGHT blinks so hard it overheats ur brains..hehehe

[quote=Darkchaser,Sep 7 2006, 03:58 PM]
LOL, let's just let this thread die lah. I need to concentrate on my business classes anyways since I was told I cannot run a business

Just one last... I can see that our man carnby here keeps assuming a lot of things. Assuming that Sony and Microsoft purposely left loopholes. Assuming I don't know business (LOL FYI I hold a business degree and am working in a retail company, and I find this comment very insulting). Assuming we all don't have social lives.

I'll teach you one of the first things I learnt when I studied in uni:

ASSUME = ASS ,U and ME

Good day

[/quote

Its you who are assuming that im assuming....hmmmm....wonder what thats make you....

I find it funny that you try to insult someone back, but you fail horribly He's not assuming you're assuming. You ARE assuming too many things.

Now can you do us all a favour and close this topic?

well actually no need a new thread lah just a simple short funny story.

bro pop, metal and me were in sg wang around noon so we got an idea that we should go ask 1 of the sg wang shop on the socalled modded xbox. we went to wegamaju, this shop is at the back of parkson's entrance and also got sells digital camera too. actually this wegamaju shop got few branches in sg wang, 1 of them is with the indian speaking chinese guy. this wegamaju quote us asian modded xbox rm1.7k and said can play ahem and ori too. so bro metal asked him lah got modchip or not and that guy so confident said YES with modchip. what modchip and he answered i dont know lah only my technician will know what modchip. then he said if you bring your 360 and wanna fix modchip is rm170. ahem 360 games selling for rm30 per piece and the cover... world class quality... scan sendiri and print sendiri!

next bro metal brought us to another shop somewhere near B&B plaza and actually his regular shop. asked the same questions again and this lady boss is honest lah told us it's flashed firmware. she really knows everything! ahem games still same rm30 per piece and quality also still same world class quality as above. actually she offered us rm1.4k for a flashed asian set

guess now all shops is sg wang selling "modded 360 using THE XXX modchip" already. those that going to purchase a new 360 please take full precaution. it's not worth it at all because once microsoft release the fix then your 360 is gone forever no more online features. also take note some new games does required online update to run.

you dont know kah something cannot simply cakap-cakap just like that?

Nice story Judge .. I should have been there, i will make them even more blur with my questions .. hehehe

This shows that how smart thet really are ... NOT !!!!

Hahaha cool story. Yeah looks like piracy of 360 games is inevitable I'm still sticking to original games. Even if that means only one game per month or two

the guy was very confident when he said "got modchip"

one more thing

U guys should u ask him if can play online with the modchip .. if he says YES ... Hmmmmmmmm....

any console gamer worth his or her salt knows that every single console sold = $$ down the drain for the maker.

threadstarter = moron. cant even debate his points properly. shouldnt be allowed to reproduce either. moron marries moron = stupider mini moron.

Who r u Ebola ... Virus ??

hmmm. dia buat2 tahu walaupun dia tak tahu yang sebenarnya kita tahu apa yang dia tak tahu. I know that guy, once my mother asked him what is this memory card for, to save game inside dia kata. Then my mum tanya la, she is not IT savvy, shopping queen ada la, boleh save and main wo using cd ka. Then dia kata, yes. I was there and cakap, oi, nak menipu pon bertempat la. that was 1995 (or 1996 when PS1 RM 1000 lebey).

well, to be fair mr TS did start a thread around here suggesting he's going to evolve to "buy & play ori" habit. but i think he dint get any encouragement & supportive words on that thread, so start a new flame-bait thread, kua.

quote of the month

bro ARJ also can close this thread , heading to middle earth now

Yeah .. better close this thread before Ebola start to flame ... it might just happen

i went around asking the same thing here in Penang too. They claim it to be a chip also, they charge rm200 to mod ur console. flipped thru their 'library', damn they hv almost everything. the packaging is same as other 'sparrow' games, pressed disc, rm15 a piece.

as i walked away, i overheard one of them saying something like "don't want to buy don't see la!". arseholes, feel like ransacking their shop... but i went home and whacked zombies instead.

This post has been edited by hikaru_x: Sep 7 2006, 11:27 PM

then u should turn back and ask them said it again. if me i FXXk them kawkaw and said cheap ass ppl only play ahem games so FXXK OFF or i close ur shop.

not enough orbs, or else i press the B button liao, LoL. no point gaduh with them lah, i go home play my game better

This post has been edited by hikaru_x: Sep 8 2006, 12:55 AM

dei, flaming morons is fun!

beware..
dun try to act smart in lowyat.net's forum ..
u might get ur ass burned..

Ok peeps, party's over. Thread closed.

I've said this before but I'll repeat again anyway. Discussions about modded consoles and pirated games are not allowed in here. That means no talk about how to obtain them, where to buy or how much they cost.