LOL...it doesn't make sense, because developers don't really care about modded consoles. Like I said, they only care about how many games they can sell, since that's WHERE they're getting their money.

Sigh....IMHO this topic should be closed. Talking about piracy isn't really appropriate here. It has been done to death anyways.

i agree to darkchaser to some point..
but MS did lose money for the XBOX1!
it explain those overpriced accesories, microtransactions in marketplace and stuff to get back some money..
and for microsoft.. yes they can afford a losing business..
if it was someone else.. i doubt 360 will come out after then first xbox..
remember they were selling for RM200 cheaper than cost price..
for the 360..
i heard a theory.. but it wasn't mine..
that hackable firmwares has been out for quite some time already
right now piracy for 360 has came liao.. and with full xboxlive support..
but Microsoft not doing anything about it yet.. eg. not banning ppl from live.. etc..
cuz they want to sell as many consoles as possible before the competitors start selling theirs..
then after that... POOFF!! they force some upgrades and start blocking ppl.. thus forcing them to buy original again...

don know how true but.. to an extend.. MS did do nothing about the hackable firmwares up to now..

last time i saw someone selling pirated stuffs on a pedestrian bridge at SG near Suntec City... all the passer by didn't even bother to stop by and look at it... amazed me

That's exactly my point. They need the hardware power. I'm quite sure there have been more PS2 consoles sold in total compared to Xbox 360 consoles. carnby here is basing his opinion on more consoles sold and how developers won't know the amount of modded ones and will develop games for the console that has sold more. I'm trying to say that it's not just about the numbers

I dont believe this. everybody knws that sony invented the blu ray disk for a reason. they risk selling a game at about rm300 so that the revenue will not be affected by piracy, but obviously they would make less sales right? or you could sell something for 150 and sell loadz but then afta a while they go flat cuz of piracy. its a risk they got to take, and for everybody's info i quote

"the blu-ray disk adds another extra layer of protection to the disk"

that means that there's less of a chance for it to get hacked into or pirated, but theres still a chance right? and anyways no malaysians would buy a game for more than 250. dead rising is probably people's max limit which is in between 200 and 250.

You must be blind if you say 360 games are equal in quality as Xbox games. Training ground? Dude, you think developing for X360 is the same as developing for PS3? Two different console = two different programming methods/syntax due to the different programming language and tools provided, not to mention the difference in hardware. Your suggestion that X360 is a "training ground" for PS3 is laughable.
LOL...I think I need a translator here because I have no idea what you just said. Please come back with proper paragraphing, and more coherency, then we can continue our debate
Agreed!! Agreed!!! Now bro PJ needs to come back and banhammer this topic and we'll all be happy little Xboxers again 

You must be blind if you say 360 games are equal in quality as Xbox games. Training ground? Dude, you think developing for X360 is the same as developing for PS3? Two different console = two different programming methods/syntax due to the different programming language and tools provided, not to mention the difference in hardware. Your suggestion that X360 is a "training ground" for PS3 is laughable.
LOL...I think I need a translator here because I have no idea what you just said. Please come back with proper paragraphing, and more coherency, then we can continue our debate
Agreed!! Agreed!!! Now bro PJ needs to come back and banhammer this topic and we'll all be happy little Xboxers again 

and it's going nowhere. We've already established the fact that what carnby said in his first post about Sony/Microsoft purposely putting loopholes in their console is just stupid and wrong. Immediate closure of this thread is needed

dude...get an xbox360 first...then talk...
with a 360 u ll get less sleep..even UNO can get u hooked for hours 

agreed!thread should b closed

Have you tried using yours? Seriously your points are stupid. You think multi-billion dollar companies like Sony and Microsoft purposely put loopholes in their consoles? Why would they want to do that? Having the console get hacked does not benefit them at all. It causes them to lose out. You were wrong all the way from square one.
Yet another stupid remark. Reviews say it all. If you really think so, you seriously lack some common sense. Playing the actual game/console gives you a better impression of the game/console rather than just looking at screenshots or reading some reviews. After reading some previews and looking at screenshots, I thought N3 was pretty cool, but after downloading the demo, I really didn't like it that I deleted the demo after my first play.

And if you're implying that we don't have a social life, you seriously need to re-think that. First of all, telling someone that they don't have a life on a forum based on video games/game consoles is one of the most common insults ever and it's seriously getting old. And obviously you're smart enough (hopefully) to realise that all of us do have a social life. So stop telling us that you "have too much of a social life and that you need enough sleep to socialise real time". And on a side note, you spelt 'virtually' wrong as well as other words.