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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Newcastle-1, Liverpool-0

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post Oct 24 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(hifzil @ Oct 24 2014, 10:09 AM)
the problem is good player doesn't want to play for us.
back then mkhitaryan,willian,sanchez.
balo seem not happy playing with us.
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Over the summer, there were " big star players" join a non-CL club with big price tag.

So the problem come from money, not which club.



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post Oct 24 2014, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(wadefak @ Oct 24 2014, 11:18 AM)
that....is not due to club or cash. i believe its due to the location. City life vs suburbs? laugh.gif
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How come Mancity not in London, still can attract so many "star players"?
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post Oct 24 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 24 2014, 02:18 PM)
I still think Liverpool is still a big club. Its just the owner philosophy to buy cheap young talent(not so cheap after all) rather than spending a big sum of money on marquee.
Oh and maybe last few season 1 of our reason that fail to attract big names is due to the absence in CL.

Well, I never doubt Balo, our high intensity and high pressing tactic certainly not suit him. In order for a striker to shine as a lone striker, the team need world class play maker, and we doesn't have that. Let's just wait until Balotelli partner with Sturridge.
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The buying cheap + talent philosophy is doing no good at the moment.

Unless the manager is really good in spotting talent and developing them like Wenger, which after 3 season suggested this area is not BR's strength at all.

BR may be good in coaching, man management skill, but not in the area of spotting talent, developing nor shrewd in transfer market.

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post Oct 24 2014, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(farisq @ Oct 24 2014, 02:33 PM)
Manager also contributing factor... if you're given choice between BR and LVG who would u choose
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Then next transfer window target is LVG, so star player want to come... tongue.gif

If not mistaken, there was a news that Liv was link with LVG before as football director, or no?
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post Oct 25 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Oct 25 2014, 06:27 PM)
for me BR done a good step to provide enough players for UCL, but because he always targeting the british players forced Liverpool to pay the premium price tag for squad players. other club mostly go for way cheaper foreign players to add squad numbers, then save the money to buy quality signing.

you guys should have a proper squad to be in UCL now, the next step should be injecting more quality players.  smile.gif
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Will the owner splash money for marquee signing again after seeing how previous 100 mil being spent?
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post Oct 25 2014, 10:05 PM

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BR played Balo every match... whistling.gif



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post Oct 26 2014, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(lp16 @ Oct 26 2014, 12:01 AM)
Credits to BR, his subs made a huge difference. More urgency and Hull was desperate in their defending. Kudos to their defenders who blocked, tackles and stood firm. Their goalie won them the point today.
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Yes, the sub is working, clearly 2 upfront the team seems more balance (instead of crowded midfielder and no one to pass on), but shouldn't be it being deployed from the start instead of 60+ mins?
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post Oct 26 2014, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Oct 26 2014, 12:06 AM)
Exactly why I questioned BR insistence on playing with one upfront. It's not like our wingers Sterling and Lallana creates a whole lot from the wings. Lambert's link up play in the final third is superb but no he is a flop as some fans are suggesting here.
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One upfront is not working, yet the manager is stubborn to rectify, even the commentator also questioning the 1 upfront tactic.

You play at home and need to win such a game (no offence to Hull), you played 1 upfront?


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post Oct 26 2014, 12:14 AM

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It sums up Suarez make BR looks good.


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post Oct 26 2014, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Oct 26 2014, 12:12 AM)
Hopefully the formation changes from today after the substitution. Hope to see Borini get paired up with balo or Lambert.

I didn't really like this referee. His whistles and decisions were slow. When that happens, I feel like I cannot trust his judgements as a referee.

Was really good stuff after 60mins.

Gerrard had many good deliveries.

Players missed many goals, just inches away.

Coutinho definitely changed the game heaps.

Mignolet did some good saves, or rather he was well positioned.

Their keeper tho.. Third choice keeper too.
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You need to question the manager to drop Coutinho on the bench, when he is one who make the different in QPR match, while Lallana is contributing little for the last few matches.
Price tag higher so getting starting XI? whistling.gif

After 60 mins, there was 2 upfront and Balo start to "alive" after than as well. Balo clearly not suit to play as lone striker.
Lone striker - hardworking, chasing up and down on his own, make something from nothing on his own. None of this is associated with Balo.
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post Oct 26 2014, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Oct 26 2014, 12:21 AM)
Ronaldo make Ancelotti looks good

Messi make alot manager looks good

Robben make Guardiola looks

What else? Keep it on..  Gogo
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That's why manager is in charge on transfer dealing, and buy the right player to make him look good.
Isn't that is the manager job?

Whats' wrong with that? (Suarez make BR looks good).

Oh wait, Suarez is not BR "bought"... tongue.gif

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post Oct 26 2014, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Oct 26 2014, 12:27 AM)
Again exactly like Messi not bought by Enrique

Robben not bought by Guardiola

Ronaldo not bought by Ancelotti

Hmm keep it on..  Gogo
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So hurt with statement of Suarez make BR looks good? blink.gif

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post Oct 26 2014, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Oct 26 2014, 01:06 AM)
You cannot pay up then bank chase you lor. BMW fail on you then u park the car at home continue to pay maintenance lor..

Oh myvi? Cheap maintain, or loan to someone help you maintain or maybe he forced induction for me when i get it back.

Just a example, chillax
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Wow, really match what BR did? laugh.gif

Bought the player, then loan out second season.
Aspas, Ilori, Assaidi, Borini also.

So that somebody maintain for you, very nice strategy.

Wait, why bought the car, and let other drive in the first place if not intend to use the car.
While somebody don't need to pay for the car, and yet got the car to drive, just pay the maintenance fee.
And somemore, next year look old already, just send back to the owner, find new loan car to drive again. thumbup.gif
<-- this is the real winner. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Oct 26 2014, 01:16 AM)
Meanwhile some team is now 2nd on the table.
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Never mind, transfer window open time, buy their player... laugh.gif
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post Oct 26 2014, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 26 2014, 01:36 AM)
Why does Rodgers can't seem to drop Gerrard? What makes him undroppable? Would you rather have Coutinho, Allen and Hendo on the field or have Gerrard on? I just can't understand Rodgers. Coutinho is only starting to regain his form back and there he was, sitting on the bench. Instead, he opted for a 32 year old who had just gone through an intense midweek game with no form.
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Gerrard is 34, fyi. Lambert 32.
But Lambert look "older". biggrin.gif

QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 26 2014, 01:37 AM)
Btw the good thing with the match vs Hull, we kept a CLEAN SHEET!!!!!  rclxm9.gif
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Ya, something to "celebrate" upon.
At least no nail biting. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mugenz @ Oct 26 2014, 01:50 AM)
But our situation is we paid BMW price buy myvi which in the end performed just a viva. Hoping this myvi can win race to get money to continue maintaining it.

While compare others who buy BMW sometimes performed like Ferrari and winning races most importantly. Not buying a fleet and losing races.

Worst is these BMW didnt perform can still outperform our myvi which performed like viva in reality.
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Koeman is like buy MyVi, but race like BMW

While BR is like buy Camry (ok cannot afford BMW), but race like Viva or not racing at all (sitting on the bench)
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post Oct 26 2014, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Oct 26 2014, 02:01 AM)
But bro race not ended yet. smile.gif if you come with this at end of the season where turned out to be what you said then yea.
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Hope so (improvement being made), if not, I see BR may repeat his first season, aka no clue and can't win against top 4/6 teams, aka being outclassed tactically a better opponent manager.



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post Oct 26 2014, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 26 2014, 06:35 AM)
This is to illustrate to the rafalutions fans tht clearly 1 man upfront don't work  wink.gif

Ok, it was a better overall performance even though we didn't win. Shame we lacked bite upfront to add goals.

It's still work in progress. Given the line up is pretty much majority of the LFC players starting are new (LFC rookies) that weren't with LFC last season.
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ya, a better game compared to QPR although it is just a point compared to fluke 3 points.
Too bad, the better game only for 30 mins or so, after switching to 2 man upfront.

1 man upfront works well if you have the right man, right tactic, typically work well with Mourinho, whereby you can bus parking after scoring, which clearly Liv under BR is not capable of.

Southampton has more rookies that Liv. whistling.gif

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post Oct 27 2014, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 27 2014, 01:01 PM)
cool2.gif I like to believe that, though i suspect it prefer much more about how strikers knows their worth.

goals win games. Liverpoolfc is not set up that we are suppose to not be depended on out-and-out strikers. Rodgers Liverpool is suppose to have goals to come from all departments or shared responsibly (that's the idea at least)

I highly think our recruitment policy has to deal much with balance-the-books. With an eye on the extension of anfield, our club is not exactly sheik oil rich nor Robromvich rich  shakehead.gif

As long as we stay black, profitable, a place in europe, much like how cough-cough another american owned club in arsenal is doing. I think (for now) the club will move along in these lines.
trophies? well, Lfc will try to add as it comes.. but in time i guess. sweat.gif
*i know some players cite a manager is upmost importance where they lay their future careers. (as how manu fans commented hardly anyone really wanted come to manu and to be under moyes) but i'll give rodgers the benefit of doubt  tongue.gif
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But currently, the book nowhere near black... sweat.gif

And with the aim to balance the book, you don't spend 20mil (Marko), Lambert (4 mil), Origi (10 mil and loan out), Lovren (20 mil, and nowhere better than Agger) right?

If Liv just spent just like what did previous few year around 30~40 mil in transfer, and sitting at current spot, ok, then expectation of fans won't be too high, but spending >100 mil, people won't expect this kind of poor performance since the season start.
Mind that, it is not one or 2 matches having a blip, but series continously poor performance across.

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post Oct 27 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 27 2014, 09:37 PM)
To put things into perspective,sod the carling cup tomorrow.Rest important players for the league against newcastle.If the 2nd string team can win then it's only a bonus.
If the club is to make it to the CL knockout stage i think rodgers needs to scrape a draw at the bernabeu and win at home to basel.Then a draw would be sufficient away to ludugorets.All in all at least 5 points.
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If 100 mil to improve "depth of the team" still cannot win, then we know how deep is the depth. biggrin.gif

Draw at Bernabeu?
BR's record against top team suggested otherwise.



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