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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Newcastle-1, Liverpool-0

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post Sep 23 2014, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Sep 23 2014, 05:28 PM)
BR denied talks wif Valdez
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Last time, BR also denied that Liv interested on Balo. whistling.gif

I don't think GK is the one matter the most or can change the result of previous few matches loss.

Goals conceded against Villa, Mancity, Stoke, WH, were not Gk fault or "calamity", but more on defence lapse issue.

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post Sep 24 2014, 01:55 PM

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Unconvincing win against Stoke on first match of the season

loss to Villa 0-1 (at home)

need last min to win against Lud (at home)

loss to WH (away)

Fail to win against Championship side, (and leak 2 goals as well) and need 30 penalties to get through

This is Liv after spent 100 mil over the summer? sweat.gif

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post Sep 25 2014, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Sep 24 2014, 11:21 PM)
- Toure : what can motivate him?

I don't blame Gerrard at all - who doesn't grow older and weaker/slower? It's up to BR to analyse how best to use his strengths (and Gerrard still has lots) and pre-empt situations where his weaknesses may be exploited.

So I feel, after these 7 games, I'd say : Hey BR, wake up man!!!
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Toure never played in the 3 league matches that Liv loss. How can he being blamed for current slump? blink.gif

I reckon the main man to blame - BR.
Spent 100 mil on number of players, and played poorly, and played Gerrard in 3 consecutive matches in 7 days time.
I didn't expect a 34 yo players to play 3 matches in 7 days when the player was not on form, with the team not playing well at all.


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post Sep 25 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(champu @ Sep 25 2014, 10:09 AM)
i'm reading too much negatives in this thread, and we're only 5 games into the season....

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You can't blame the negativity as Liv has been playing poorly for 6 matches out of 7 with 100 mil has been spent.


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post Sep 27 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 27 2014, 10:01 PM)
In this match, its clearly BR tactic at fault here, after Gerrard scored, the whole fast pace tempo had gone, and Liverpool keep the possession in the middle, but when they lost the possession, they dropped very very deep. Once they get to clear the ball, it will reach fellow Everton player again, its like inviting Everton to trying out their luck of scoring.
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Wrong move on sub Balo.
Balo was holding ball up well, that relief the pressure of the team, but the manager sub him. Nobody hold the ball up, invite pressure.
Also nobody closing down on long range shot in the match, there were a number long range shot by Everton, that nobody closing down.

The way BR celebrated Gerrard's free kick goal was arrogant, shouldn't come from manager.
1-0 up only, not 5-0. doh.gif

For the last 2 managers, they departed after the season that finished second, so may be deja vu for third time?


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post Sep 28 2014, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 28 2014, 12:04 AM)
What is it, 7 points out of 6 games? With a negative goal difference to boot. That's what you get for buying in quantity over quality. Marko looks like a 20 million flop so far. And please don't give me the "he will only shine in the 2nd half of the season" excuse. By that time, we probably would be hanging somewhere in the middle of the table. Sterling, Balo, Coutinho, basically most of our first XI players are struggling.

I have no idea why BR played Sterling on the left. The boy a total shite at crossing with his left, or right for that matter. Easily the 2nd worst player today, with Marko being first. Kept losing the ball cheaply and had no idea whether to dribble or to pass the ball. From now on Coutinho should always start ahead of Markovic no matter how out of form Cout is.

Yes, Gerrard scored the goal, but he hasn't really helped the team much this season so far. I think it's okay to start him, but he cannot play the full 90 anymore. Br's decision to sub Balo today was shocking, stupid if I'm being brutal. He was the one keeping the pressure to Everton's back 4. Why not sub Gerrard and put Lambert and Balo on the field? Grow some balls Rodgers.
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The freekick goal was because of Balo being fouled as well.

The way BR celebrated the Gerrard's goal, doesn't suggest BR is going to bench Gerrard.


QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 28 2014, 03:58 AM)
West Brom (H)
QPR (A)
Hull City (H)
Newcastle (A)
Chelsea (H)
Those 4 games before Chelsea, if we can't win those, then truly bye2 CL next season.
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With current play, no chance for Europa league position as well.
League table won't lie, now sitting at 12th.

So much money to buy Southampton players, but now they are 2nd with 13 points.
That's why I don't believe in "gel" time excuse, they have more new first team players compared to Liv, and their new players transfer cost and wages is much less than Liv.
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post Sep 28 2014, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Sep 28 2014, 08:17 AM)
Gerrard is in the team for one and one only purpose. Take penalties and set pieces. We all know he is good at penalties and free kicks but suck at corners.

Soto in 2nd? No problem, knowing BR, we can raid Pelle and Tadic for 20mil each! Which I think might as well get Koeman for 5mil a year.
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Play like American football, send the player in when take penalties and set piece, after that sub out. thumbup.gif
Ya, other than that, I see little contribution at least matches played so far suggested.

Next transfer target - the manager? tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2014, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 28 2014, 11:32 AM)
I am sure that most fans will not frustrated with current standings IF BR doesn't spend >100 million POUND. But heck, he did, so this standings and current performance is so so not acceptable. IMO, only Moreno and Manquillo worth the money spent.

Btw, to those keep on asking "Conclusion? BR out?". I know you guys waiting for some one to say that word, then you will have your happy time flaming and disagreeing. Well I would say, if after 10 games played, we stand at 10 points or less, BR out for me.

Btw, that celebration, don't you think you see it some where last season? Moyes?  shakehead.gif
Even an little unknown nobody like you and me know this, why BR still doesn't know? And he keep on buying overpriced non-proven unknown so called young talent youngster and hoping him to turns out good in 2 years time like Hendo did?

So BR is building for the future? Well there will be future if every so called young talent he brought in turn out good, what if they all flop like Aspas, and Borini, and lots lots lots more of flop brought in by BR? There will be never ending cycle and Liverpool will become a mid table club again.
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Ya, it is a worry sign to see manager celebrate in this way.
The celebration is total unlike last year at all.

If bought potential talented youngster at few millions, ok, built for future, fair enough.

But this season transfer BR bought 10+ ~ 20+ mil players, that should be established players who ready to slot in and perform type of price tag.

So far, BR transfer record still highly questionable.
Only Sturridge turns out to be a bargain.
Coutinho, blow hot and cold, yet can be said a "success".

Plenty of previous transfer are loaned out, speaks it all.



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post Sep 28 2014, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 28 2014, 03:58 AM)
West Brom (H)
QPR (A)
Hull City (H)
Newcastle (A)
Chelsea (H)
Those 4 games before Chelsea, if we can't win those, then truly bye2 CL next season.
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If can't collect 12 points before Chelsea match, not only say bye to CL, BR as well.
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post Sep 28 2014, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Sep 28 2014, 04:55 PM)
We always play differently with big teams....

When go back to 'smaller' team, Liv team B will play
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After spent 100 mil, team B cannot win then those 100 mil is like down to the drain already.

Those opponent team (before Chelsea match), entire squad may less than 100 mil, or 4 teams added together, their players may not more than 100 million as well.
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post Sep 29 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Sep 28 2014, 11:29 PM)
Signing a good player takes alot of time & effort. Like I hired a person for my company. She told me how good is she, good written resume.. demanded high salary. I don't mind I sign her up with 1 year contract but turn out? Totally opposite..

You won't know the quality until you actually signed and start working him the person. What I'm trying to say there is alot of if

Last season BR proven some point we got back to CL no? We lose 3 game so it is the end? BR out? BR needs to prove yet again? Why not point finger at owners? He hired BR no?

We should have gotten LVG or R.Martinez or DeBoer?
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If you don't know the person, you paid fresh graduate price, that's why fresh graduate generally won't able to fetch high wages, as employer don't know the ability of the hired person.

But if you paid 20K per month wages, you expect the person readily to slot in, and perform once the work started, not to come to learn and slowly find out what is your company doing, how your company doing business.

This season is make or break for BR and also will tell us that whether it is Suarez who make BR looks good or BR indeed is good.

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post Sep 29 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Sep 29 2014, 06:25 AM)
That's how u run ur business.. But not how liv run I mean I don't know how it works in liv but certainly liv culture is way diff from others. At least for me..

But IF BR was my manager, because I hired him.. Things don't work well i take responsibility as well. So early in the season I won't call for silly pointing finger game or call for sack.

Now surely FSG know BR's ability, why not trust the owners? They believed in him, have some faith?
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I also don't agree of sacking, as final assessment should be done at the end of season.

But there is sign of money not well spent over the summer.

Liv's financial is not good like Arsenal, and still at loss every year.
There won't be 100 mil available to spend every summer.

The money available should be a good stepping stone for consistency to get 4th place onwards, if not, we may have the infinite loop cycle of rebuilding non-stop like past 20 years.

Unlike Rafa and Houllier tenure that finished 2nd time, they do not have such a money to spend to strengthen, but this time around, money is available.



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post Oct 2 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Oct 2 2014, 10:14 AM)
I think the comments about lack of leadership are spot on
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Captain of the team should lead the team and carry the team.
As a captain, you cannot "head down" even losing 3-0. This is team spirit that captain should bring in.
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post Oct 2 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 2 2014, 02:45 PM)
With the owner philosophy, we will never get Suarez replacement. nuff said.

I am ok-ish with Balultelli, he is that type of player, you can't change a player play style unless he is versatile enough. And don't forget he is not overpriced, currently his performance may not justify his price tag yet, but if he start scoring goals, its acceptable.

On the other hand, Markovic & Lovren play like a 5 - 10 million player, Lallana is playing like a 10-15 million player.
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If not mistaken, Markovic price tag is higher than Balo. sweat.gif

Start of season, people speculated Liv might be doing a Spurs last season and this is brushed aside.

Ya, at the moment, Liv is not repeating Spurs history, quite right, but until now it seems like worst than Spurs... sweat.gif



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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 3 2014, 04:30 PM)
Also the less vocal mignolet. perhaps BR needs to uncork his voice  tongue.gif
I hope liverpool wins 2-1 at least or even a 1-0 but must win
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1-0?

Since when Liv can keep a clean sheet? whistling.gif

8 matches played, 2 win (2-1, 3-0 the only clean sheet since the season started), if based on stat, needs to score at least 2 goals to win.

If no win, Liv's league position may become nearer to relegation zone already before the international break. sweat.gif

Identical to the first season of BR in charge time?
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post Oct 4 2014, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Oct 4 2014, 12:51 PM)
We have so many strikers that didnt make any impact

1. Cisse
2. Diouf
3. Heskey
4. Morientes
5. Crouch
6. Baros
7. Litmanen

This far i can recall as a liv fan.
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Crouch did score a number of goals, may not a world class striker, but did win Liv many games, more like average EPL striker.
The famous scissor kick goal.

Baros' goal win against Chelsea (or some called "ghost" goal"), eventually CL.

Above 2 did have some impact.


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post Oct 5 2014, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(farisq @ Oct 5 2014, 12:35 AM)
I think it's good to give Lambert chance to start and prove his worth. or Maybe BR was hoping link up between Lallana and Lambert to provide the goal. Anyhow BR criticized Balo recently. Hopefully benching him will brings out more hunger to score and do well.
Some of us were suggesting to play Gerrard in more advanced position, I guess u got your wish. When Lucas came in I noticed him and Hendo as two DM with Gerrard further up. And the way he linked up with Balo is just smooth much better than Cout. He may not have the pace anymore but his mind is still quick. It just pity that we never had a proper DM replacement after we lost Alonso or Mascherano. When Gerrard had a few good games in that position last season we made to think that he can do the job. For me he never look comfortable. He is not mobile enough and the age is catching up. And this season when opponents started to close him down more he got less effect on the game. He needs to be where he is most effective. So I think against team with inferior DM we can play Gerarrd in AM role.
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Ya, when Gerrard played in more advanced role, instead of DM, attacking movement seems more fluid and "connected".

It is hard fought win, an average performance.
Lovren was not solid as the price tag suggested. A number of mistake that easily can be punished with goal.
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QUOTE(mugenz @ Oct 5 2014, 09:12 PM)
Lol... Missed penalty, if not should be 2-2

But it seems all marquee able to take immediate form.

Zzzzzz
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Liv's marquee signing (Lallana, 25 mil) also scored goal yesterday. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(farisq @ Oct 6 2014, 06:06 PM)
Even if we do the same (although at the moment we are not capable) I can see some fan will not be satisfied. I watched the whole Chel-Ars game yesterday. Overall I can say that Chelsea approach is defensive... I know some of our fan will not be happy with that approach more so when playing at home. This season they have the right person to play lone striker upfront so not surprising they can play defensive and get all 3 points. That's the difference between this season and last season
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Clean sheet is one of most important aspect of winning, be it league or cup competition.

The team at top normally has the best or better record of goal conceded.

If a match stick at 0-0 at midway or at 80 min, you still have chance to win it and nick it win 1-0, get 3 points or progress in cup competition.

But it cannot be said the same when you conceded 2 goals just after 10 min, (just like against WH), with trailing 2-0, it is mountain to climb.


Look at Chelsea, when they score first, you know they are highly will win the match, but when Liv scored, you worry when the team will concede goal again and losing.

So far, since the season started, BR also play with lone striker... whistling.gif

Result is the most important aspect in today football, be it defensive or offensive.
Any system that can lead the team collect 3 points week in week out, then this is the best system.
I bet no fan will complain a match is ultra boring if their team is collecting 3 points every week.


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QUOTE(melt @ Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM)
Please call Mourinho and loan us Cech...  laugh.gif

IMO he is much solid compare to Courtois
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What Liv mostly needed now is Mou's bus.

So loan a bus. laugh.gif

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