Balo was known for such kind of goal.

He was not known as nutmeg specialise, closing down opponent, running up and down helping teamates, beat 2 defender, round the keeper and score goal.

Only come in after 80 min, score a goal still being criticised "that's all what he did"?

The real blame should be on BR, why bought such a striker "that's all what he did in a match".

Whatever what was written in whatever book doesn't matter,
what matter most is delivering the result, delivering the performance.

A book can talk super nice on the manager, but performance on the pitch is awful, what the use of the book?
Same with,
a book can talk how bad/harsh the manager is but the manager constantly deliver and chunk out good performance.

League position is the one won't lie.

Coaching, man management, my view, BR can be good.

But in term of recruiting which may be BR biggest weakness, that may cost him as Liv manager.

If BR still can deliver without Suarez (the loss of Suarez being compensated by >100 mil spending), then it proves he is indeed a good manager that can manage team on top.
A good manager always (without money to spend, then another story) can deliver despite change of personnel.

There is no contradiction on the claim of Suarez make BR good. As if BR is really good, he should be able to deliver as well (people may not expect to be second again, but not as poor as current display is).

So far the claim Suarez make BR look good still rather valid unless proven otherwise, by then this claim should be retracted.

Regarding BR played into strength of Suarez, it is the manager job that being paid few mil annual wages to deliver result and set right the team.

If it clicked, both deserved applaud.
If doesn't, then it is manager responsibility to get it right.

The different between average manager and top manager, top manager like

AF's, his team changed so many personnel, from Cantona, Beckham, Keane, Ronaldo, Rooney, MU still able to win the league and stay on top.

Same with AW, consistent at top 4, despite changing many players around.

Same with Mourinho, managing different players, different team, still winning or stay near on top.

You don't see their team crumbling down straight away (yes, performance may drop down but not as poor as being battled by relegation threaten team), from heaven to hell just because loss of one player, even though he is world class. Unless there is no money to spend upon, then yes, it could send the team crumbling down, without any property replacement, which is not the case for Liv after spending >100 mil.

Yes, there is no final verdict until the season ended.

But since the season start, the performance was not encouraging so far.

Hope there is some improvement made to rectify the situation.

Everyone entitled their own opinion, we don't need to force other to agree on opinion, some said BR is good at coaching, some said no, no one is right or wrong here.
It is a forum discussion, agree to disagree.

Only result show us whether BR is good or not.
But almost everyone agreed BR transfer is the weak link.

The difference is now BR has more than 100 mil warchest to spent on players.
While back then little money spent, hence the expectation is not the same.
With more than 100 mil available, Liv should be at least should show some consistency in challenge in the top 4 but shows none at the moment.
Goals leaking, inability to score and out of 13 goals scored so far, 3 were OG.

At Anfield, the stat even worst, since the season start, scored 5, leak 4. A very poor stat for a more than 100 mil assembled team.

31 goals per season is something extra-ordinary, which generally is not a repeatable figure,
prior before Suarez still scored double digit goals, which is about average figure for a good striker. Not to mention plenty of woodwork hit as well.

The stat with Suarez full season with Liv,
17 (plenty of woodwork),
30,
31,

I don't see Suarez struggling to adapt with EPL since from the start with that figure. You don't label a 17 goals striker as struggling and only start scoring goals after second season with that stat.

30, 31, it means Suarez hitting top form, while 17 is still a very good number for a striker.
So the claim of Suarez needs 1 season to adapt is somehow not strong.

Also, this season is 3rd season in charge for BR, whereby we should see some improvement, although we do not expect Liv to challenge for the title or top 3, but not the like what had happened at the moment.
If loss of Suarez did magnify the deficiency of the team, then it just again proven the statement Suarez make BR looks better what he might actually is. (which I do not hope so as well).

The difference with Mourinho, people expect him to top the league, while generally little people expect BR to be at that level, but at least show some good fight on 4th place, which with current performance so far since the season start suggested a midtable level only.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Oct 31 2014, 11:25 PM

Pundit = theory
Manager/coach = put he theory into practical.

Some people are good in theory, but can be poor to put them into practice.

They only can remain as pundit but not coach, but it doesn't mean they know nothing about football, or their comment is totally bullshit.
That's why manager pay is way more than pundit.

If you look at Carra analyse, he did give proper details in analyse the situation, how goal was leaking, defender being dragged out of position, resulted conceding goal,
instead of just general statement like other amateur pundit which no different that what had been posted in lyn including me.

First half, zero on target, 1 off target, speechless performance...

BR is the hot favourite for sacking odd now on.

The performance is simply unbearable after spending >100 mil.

3 years + > 100 mil spending in a transfer window with this kind of poor performance, deserve time?

Outclassed by QPR
No clue against Hull
Outclassed by Newcastle

You really like what BR has showed in Liv since the season start?
Never mind, everyone entitled for their like.

Everyone already said Balo doesn't work with lone striker, as well as the team currently, yet, BR stubbornly put the same formation every match.

How many time that criticism about 4-5-1, 4-3-3 doesn't work with current set up and personnel?
Set aside how poor the new BR's recruit is.

No people want to win anything here, but the performance was simply awful, that's where the criticism about BR.
Criticism /= calling for sack, it is a wake up call for the manager to rectify something obvious not right at the moment.
It is not one match or two of poor performance, but series of matches since the season started.

This is the second time, Moreno made a "school boy" error in defending, very similar to first one in the early season.
Aka try to control ball in six yard area, but ball being robbed by opponent.

Just no long ago, the manager speaking of no need a proper defending coach...
Isn't it, this showed lack of proper defending coaching?

You need a long sleep may be...

You don't win anything with leaking defence.



In 4-3-3 formation, and diamond, you need wingback to provide the width and running up and down the touchline.
If fullback doesn't roaming up, it is easy for opponent to defend a narrow tight centre area. That's what happened last night, have plenty of ball and possession, but no penetration.

In the first half, Liv has about 65% possession, and no single shot on target and Tim Krul basically can have a cup of coffee between his goal post.

I still remembered at start of season under KK that year, Liv was roaming forward fiercely, and about average 2-3 woodwork per matches.
Many pundit also said Liv was unlucky to win those matches.

Sorry, I don't have the stat, but I did watch those matches, it is the second half season, that Liv spiralling down (in term of performance).

There were many discussion in this forum as well talk joke about wrong shooting practice that aim the woordwork.

I think if you said you like the BR's style of play last season, or second half of first season BR in charge, then no argument.

But if said like BR style of play since this season style, then I would expect bombardment of disagreement.

No matter how well was the style is, it is history. It is about the style now that give awful performance that led to the criticism, as well as stubbornness in tactical formation.

Actually, there is no winger in 4-3-3 system.

The goal conceded was not Johnson fault after all.
There were enough defenders to cover ground vs just 2-3 Newcastle players.
It was a simple defending mistake, a gift actually.

Anyway, it makes little different with 1 point vs 0 point.
You want to well in the league, 3 points is the target for every match, may be only exception when facing top team.