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 HOW!? Regret buying Hong Leong Income Builder.., Any way to revoke & get back the money ?

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TerrorOfDeath
post Oct 5 2014, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(cutepet @ Oct 5 2014, 08:23 PM)
Thanks for all the input...

I will try my best to get back most of my money.. Or request to reduce premium  OR worse case, continue to serve.

I do not think it is costly to take action.  I done via phone & email. Even bring to court, it cost RM 5. And postage maybe RM 10+
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good luck for u bro...investment for me..ok la..just as a saving , rather den the money duno spend at whr in the end.
cuz only buy like share, u wan more, u buy more, or else, just save 1 yr around 3k ( 3k /12 )
insurance ? i get medical card cukup pakai..biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 09:08 PM

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It is good to have views on both sides. You should take note on both side of suggestions, and then make the decision which you are comfortable with (which suits your style/personality in the way you manage your money). Good luck.
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post Dec 31 2015, 01:51 AM

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sudah apa cerita?

jac1792
post Jan 2 2016, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(DirectorLee @ Oct 5 2014, 11:41 AM)
So you bought insurance, can you explain to me up to this moment, how much you gained from them? I don't know, money? safety? whatever it is?

I didn't buy 1, and when i broke three of my metatarsals from extreme sports, I went for surgery and stay in government hospital. Ended up total charges not more than rm150.
Do you know how much the government spend on healthcare annually? And lets not go into debating how paying premium insurance is more worth it and private hospital bla bla bla...
Because at the end of the day, the charges go back to you, in the form of...... insurance....
Insurance & Priv hospital have their own arrangement, do simply logic, if insurance company gain, and private hospital gain. In the end, who losses?
Take for instance, if I am to go into private hospital for that surgery, The bill will comes out like god know's RM 5k? RM 7k? I don't know... But I don't have to pay a dime for it because my insurance covers it all.
But of course there are times when these insurance plan are really helpful too. like maybe when the government healthcare services are so crowded and bad (and slow LOL). Private hospitals are more comfortable.

All in all, you should only pay for what you can afford, don't get yourself misled into premium plans that you couldn't afford, in the end who's the one who gets hurt?

I go for body check-up, decent diet, regular exercises, I would rather invest into my well-being than pay up all these insurance premium and wait for the "Big Finish" because I am too lazy to really Take Care of Myself.
But this topic is about what income-builder scheme, which is more to investment, not insurance. Lets stay there.
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When people buy insurance, they buy not only to protect themselves but also to protect their loved ones from suffering financially.
It's not at all about "Being Too Lazy to Take Care of ourselves", look at MH370 & MH 17, is that an affect of "Being Too Lazy to Take Care of themselves", both events were unexpected.
Just like we may unexpectedly fall critically ill/ getting into accident like the earthquake in mount KK, and when we do, who suffers? Its not just us, but our loved ones too.
Because when things get bad, they have to bear the consequence too, more so financially when we did not prepare anything!
We're not just talking about medical bills here, but also the expenses that we have took on over the course of life. If we TPD/ fall ill, no more income, who gonna pay? Force sell all investments lo, since no other choice wert...then when recover, just start all over again lo. All those years of hard work spent in accumulating the wealth went down the drain.

If you don't see the value in this, then don't condemn people who does, because it speaks more about your lack of understanding of the true purpose of having insurance.

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post Jan 2 2016, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 5 2014, 11:16 AM)
Nope, not a single insurance. Why? Because they cheat.
Savings = confirmed to cheat, a 10 year plan need 20 years to get it matured.
Investment link = value lost by > 75% within 3 years, got cheated by will be having 6%, at the end, 0% dividend for 3 years
medical? The only company that says will follow the document, but when I need to do a surgery, claim rejected. Doctor even willing to give me 50% of the total cost in cash if I can claim after appeal.
Do insurance cheat? Nope, it won't, but all the people working will cheat.
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Insurance dont cheat, but humans do.
Not just those working for the company, aka agents but also those who buy.
If you know next week you're going for major operation and will cost about 50k, you think you will buy or not?
Seeing the way you portray yourself here, sure you will buy, and confirm won't disclose that you're going operation next week.
Pay few hundred, but cover my 50k wor, save so much.

If you don't already know, when one finger of yours is pointing at others and calling them cheaters, there are another four more pointing right back at you.
If you have had bad experience with agents, then you have my sympathy because I did too.
Know that when you allow your past experience to keep you from moving past it, you're just allowing that same person to continue hurting your benefit.
You think if you don't buy insurance, that fella got feel meh? The fella will suffer financially meh? He/She probably even forgotten about you.
But if you still don't get it and still wish to condemn insurance, by all means, anyways it says more about your lack of understanding of the true purpose of insurance.



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post Jan 2 2016, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(jac1792 @ Jan 2 2016, 02:06 AM)
Insurance dont cheat, but humans do.
Not just those working for the company, aka agents but also those who buy.
If you know next week you're going for major operation and will cost about 50k, you think you will buy or not?
Seeing the way you portray yourself here, sure you will buy, and confirm won't disclose that you're going operation next week.
Pay few hundred, but cover my 50k wor, save so much.

If you don't already know, when one finger of yours is pointing at others and calling them cheaters, there are another four more pointing right back at you.
If you have had bad experience with agents, then you have my sympathy because I did too.
Know that when you allow your past experience to keep you from moving past it, you're just allowing that same person to continue hurting your benefit.
You think if you don't buy insurance, that fella got feel meh? The fella will suffer financially meh? He/She probably even forgotten about you.
But if you still don't get it and still wish to condemn insurance, by all means, anyways it says more about your lack of understanding of the true purpose of insurance.
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Next week going for operation and buy now it won't cover.
Yup, you are right, not all agent cheat, that's why I got cheated for 3 times shakehead.gif
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post Jan 2 2016, 10:12 AM

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Cheat u 1 time maybe u are unlucky
Cheat u 2nd time maybe u are REALLY unlucky
Cheat u 3rd time...what it means? rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 2 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 2 2016, 10:12 AM)
Cheat u 1 time maybe u are unlucky
Cheat u 2nd time maybe u are REALLY unlucky
Cheat u 3rd time...what it means? rolleyes.gif
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Actually not really. Once I claim from airasia cause for damaged for my bag. Repairs cost rm100. They cover rm50 only. Saying something is their policy of minus rm50 from the claim. Like that also can. mad.gif vmad.gif

If you tell me that's not cheating then I don't know what is it. Only coveting half when padahal expect them to cover completely.

But as you said, buy insurance only if you cannot cover your networth and to protect the provider family.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:21 AM)
Actually not really. Once I claim from airasia cause for damaged for my bag. Repairs cost rm100. They cover rm50 only. Saying something is their policy of minus rm50 from the claim. Like that also can. mad.gif vmad.gif

If you tell me that's not cheating then I don't know what is it. Only coveting half when padahal expect them to cover completely.

But as you said, buy insurance only if you cannot cover your networth and to protect the provider family.
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"EXPECT." Key word there. Did u read the policy T&C before u click "buy"?

We also have people who bought "cheap" PA and EXPECT it to pay out upon death under ANY circumstances lor whistling.gif

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post Jan 2 2016, 10:31 AM

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People who have proper education, I expect u to behave like one.

U get what u buy.
U are entitled to what u signed up for.

U go to a restaurant and order charsiew rice, u get charsiew rice. If the charsiew rice fail to fill your tummy because u failed to grasp that u only get a large bowl of rice unless u ordered extra rice to go with that, that is your problem. U don't go scream on Facebook and complain to MCA Public apalanjiao bureau that the Kedai Nasi Ayam Tongsan tu penipu when u feel hungry within 2 hours of eating that plate of rice. Lu did not ask for extra rice, lu punya pasal.

U go marry a woman, she cannot conceive a child for u...MAYBE it's your sperm quality, maybe it's her eggs quality. Unless u sign a pre-nuptial agreement stating that u can divorce her with no strings-attached unless she can conceive, u cannot do anything about your wife. U GET WHAT U SIGNED UP FOR. If u did not read, it's your problem.

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post Jan 2 2016, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 2 2016, 10:25 AM)
"EXPECT." Key word there. Did u read the policy T&C before u click "buy"?

We also have people who bought "cheap" PA and EXPECT it to pay out upon death under ANY circumstances lor whistling.gif
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Read through the thing. They didn't mentioned anything about rm50. I asked them (email) they told me you take the money or you don't take the money. You don't sign the paper, you won't get any money. You signed, you get only rm50. So if they want to play like that next time. I can play like that also. Ask the shop to write in the receipt next time for extra RM150.

If buying a cheap PA and they don't want to pay upon death, then it's cheating also what. As a PA is meant to cover usually natural, accident death. Am I not right? You pay higher premiums if you want larger amounts, and it to cover more areas.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 2 2016, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:38 AM)
Read through the thing. They didn't mentioned anything about rm50. I asked them (email) they told me you take the money or you don't take the money. You don't sign the paper, you won't get any money. You signed, you get only rm50. So if they want to play like that next time. I can play like that also. Ask the shop to write in the receipt for extra RM150.

If buying a cheap PA and they don't want to pay upon death, then it's cheating also what. As a PA is meant to cover usually natural, accident death. Am I not right? You pay higher premiums if you want larger amounts, and it to cover more areas.
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1. Why u no take the case to higher authority?

2. PA is PERSONAL ACCIDENT. Accident means things like car accident, fall down stairs, kena rob etc, die in your sleep, death because of illness, or death after having sex with 3 prostitutes ARE NOT DEATH IN ACCIDENT.

See? U did not do your homework. I stop here.

We're in 21st century already (if u have the Black & White, u can fight virtually anything, anyone, u can even take over a country), and u are a student (i.e. learned person). Behave like one. Don't listen to and behave like those pasar malam loudspeakers. yawn.gif

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post Jan 2 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:21 AM)
Actually not really. Once I claim from airasia cause for damaged for my bag. Repairs cost rm100. They cover rm50 only. Saying something is their policy of minus rm50 from the claim. Like that also can. mad.gif vmad.gif

If you tell me that's not cheating then I don't know what is it. Only coveting half when padahal expect them to cover completely.

But as you said, buy insurance only if you cannot cover your networth and to protect the provider family.
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Well, buy that time they will say is covered.
But claim that time have limit.
Some may say we never read, but the fact is, the insurance seller cheated or misleaded buyer.
Is not easy to defend your stand since in forum there's > 8 insurance agents wanted to make a luxury living.

But I still agree with some that insurance agents does not cheat. But the agent's boss tell the agents that, if they don't secure so and so quota, they will out of job. So is up to the agent what needs to be done to get that quota. The agent know pretty well that 1 finger cut cannot claim, so they "accidentally" forgot to mention it shocking.gif
when the hard copy policy comes, they will try to look for excuse not to read it out.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 2 2016, 10:39 AM)
1. Why u no take the case to higher authority?

2. PA is PERSONAL ACCIDENT. Accident means things like car accident, fall down stairs, kena rob etc, die in your sleep or die after having sex with 3 prostitutes ARE NOT DEATH IN ACCIDENT.
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Because that insurance company is not located in malaysia. I flew from X country. The insurance company in relationship with airasia who paid me and send those emails are from X country. Complained to airasia malaysia, no email response until today. Forget about it. Now I learnt a lesson from insurance companies. Make sure your claim is slightly higher or else one will rugi.

Sorry. My bet. I thought PA = personal assurance = life insurance.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:38 AM)
Read through the thing. They didn't mentioned anything about rm50. I asked them (email) they told me you take the money or you don't take the money. You don't sign the paper, you won't get any money. You signed, you get only rm50. So if they want to play like that next time. I can play like that also. Ask the shop to write in the receipt next time for extra RM150.

If buying a cheap PA and they don't want to pay upon death, then it's cheating also what. As a PA is meant to cover usually natural, accident death. Am I not right? You pay higher premiums if you want larger amounts, and it to cover more areas.
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Well, as or this, they have the ultimate excuse to deny your claim : following your luggage's value.
Happen to me when I got cheated for the 3rd time, they use "too many people abusing it" as excuse to deny the claim.
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Key word - They SAY

Japs also SAY they were here to uplift East Asians lor whistling.gif
BN also SAY they dahulukan Rakyat lor whistling.gif
When u want a girl to open legs for u, u also SAY u love her only and forever lor whistling.gif

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post Jan 2 2016, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 2 2016, 02:29 AM)
Next week going for operation and buy now it won't cover.
Yup, you are right, not all agent cheat, that's why I got cheated for 3 times shakehead.gif
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When I say they will cover, I meant to say that application will be accepted because if they don't tell agent about their condition, agent do not know and their case will be accepted as standard case and be approved by the company.
But of course when claim comes and company check, they won't pay the claim, then the person who buys will say insurance company cheat people, when in fact, it was the other way around.
So I rest my case in saying that "Lies work both ways"
My sympathy goes out to you that you got cheated 3 times.
Do share your 3 different experiences.
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post Jan 2 2016, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:38 AM)
Read through the thing. They didn't mentioned anything about rm50. I asked them (email) they told me you take the money or you don't take the money. You don't sign the paper, you won't get any money. You signed, you get only rm50. So if they want to play like that next time. I can play like that also. Ask the shop to write in the receipt next time for extra RM150.

If buying a cheap PA and they don't want to pay upon death, then it's cheating also what. As a PA is meant to cover usually natural, accident death. Am I not right? You pay higher premiums if you want larger amounts, and it to cover more areas.
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Look for the work excess/ deductibles, if you see those word existing in your policy, it would then mean that if the excess/ deductibles amount is rm50, anything below or exactly rm50, you have to bear. But if over Rm50, say rm100, you pay rm50, balance the company will pay. That's what make the policy so cheap.
You can read more about it here....I wrote a simple article about it some time ago
https://m.facebook.com/jaclyntanfinancial/p...ype=3&source=48

This is not a good example of Insurance Company cheating, but your lack of understanding in the terms they use. Why insurance agent still have a job is because the lack of understanding in the Malaysia Market.
So Study up before you buy something.
This is my rule of thumb,

1. if it seemed really cheap, there must be something going on.
2. If I don't understand what I am buying, I will hold off buying
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Why I got dragged back into a conversation thats so long time ago??? Please check my reply date nx time before bashing me.

Btw, all your replies shows your very very pro-insurances stance.
You are probably an agent yourself.

and the way you try to twist the facts of cheating into something else. says it all.

Hei, there is a saying "When you are doing something long enough, you see everything in it". deep in yourself you know you are trying to hide the things that stops you from closing the deal.

I dont even want to get back into this topic.
I have a real close friend who got into "District Manager" pos in insurance selling, he is now 40+ ages. Save your bullshits. Its just a "money game" thats the exact word he told me, especially those financial/investment products, such as whats this topic was originally about:
"INCOME BUILDER scheme"

And people who stopped replying for 3months plus, dont really want to get back into the same conversation. You are not very perceptive, which is probably why you only see the "GOOD" side of the crap you are selling. But watever, leave me out of it.
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QUOTE(DirectorLee @ Jan 2 2016, 10:10 PM)
Why I got dragged back into a conversation thats so long time ago??? Please check my reply date nx time before bashing me.

Btw, all your replies shows your very very pro-insurances stance.
You are probably an agent yourself.

and the way you try to twist the facts of cheating into something else. says it all.

Hei, there is a saying "When you are doing something long enough, you see everything in it". deep in yourself you know you are trying to hide the things that stops you from closing the deal.

I dont even want to get back into this topic.
I have a real close friend who got into "District Manager" pos in insurance selling, he is now 40+ ages. Save your bullshits. Its just a "money game" thats the exact word he told me, especially those financial/investment products, such as whats this topic was originally about:
"INCOME BUILDER scheme"

And people who stopped replying for 3months plus, dont really want to get back into the same conversation. You are not very perceptive, which is probably why you only see the "GOOD" side of the crap you are selling. But watever, leave me out of it.
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those saving / invest related plan from insurance companies are not worth it.

I think many financial advisors already stated this many times.

Insurance companies are suppose to sell pure insurance only.


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