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 HOW!? Regret buying Hong Leong Income Builder.., Any way to revoke & get back the money ?

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post Oct 4 2014, 08:54 PM

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First and last, insurance plans does not protect buyer at any 1 time, remember this until you are being buried or burn to ash.
When a person buying a product from company A and having problem, sure at least 1 agent from company B will come in and says this product are cheating and says their product does not cheat. This is SOP of all insurance agents in Malaysia.
When there is a plan that saying the return are higher than FD's interest, it is a trap. BNM already said this again and again. But yet still got people get their money cheated.
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post Oct 4 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Oct 4 2014, 10:37 PM)
Aiyah, you don't know then don't simple say la.
All insurance plan that is sold is being reviewed and approved by BNM.

Insurance plan do not cheat. It is agent misinterpretation that leads to confusion. Over promises is one of the factors.

Insurance is about protection. Is there such product from insurance that doesn't not talk about protection? That is probably not from insurance.
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If insurance is like what you said, then this thread won't be opened.
Indeed, an insurance company won't cheat, but human working in it will cheat.
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post Oct 4 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Oct 4 2014, 11:29 PM)
So did the insurance cheat you?

Insurance company and Insurance Agent is 2 different entity.

Company already outlined all the terms and condition in a lot of pages in the policy that each received - if only 1 would read from page 1 to last page. All the fine prints and everything.

Insurance agent is another story. Got desperate agent, got lan see agent, got rich agent, poor agent, no knowledge agent.. All kind of agents will all kind of presentation, style, tactics.
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So you are telling me that a company can outline something, but is by company or human that outline it?
Indeed all kinds of agent we have like you said, but 1 common of all them is will cheat to get a business.
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post Oct 4 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Oct 4 2014, 11:52 PM)
Company outline in the policy, but it is the policy holders responsibility to read them thoroughly.

Yes, I agree many of agents. Some cheat for business, while some are genuine and will put down pros and cons.
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You see, even now you are trying to cheat me, a company does not able to outline a policy, is the human working inside that do the job.
If insurance company does not cheat, then why we need to wait 1-2 months for a claim?
Even doctors that writing the report will say the same.
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post Oct 5 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(TerrorOfDeath @ Oct 5 2014, 09:10 AM)
no offence brothers, but somethings must need to wait a couple of time to claim,

like u bought a hdd, u send bak to manufacturer , they also need run test and check, this all cause time.
one more things, company have their rules n regulations, u cant expect how many policy or claim they need to handle every single working day.
like PredXXXXal, one day may be over a 1000 case to claim medical expenses, 500 case accident, so they need time to check the report ( avoid false report )
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If an honest company will straight away release. As per my doctor that saying insurance are cheating, this period of waiting time is for insurance company to do investigations to find flaw in order to reject the claim.
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post Oct 5 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(TerrorOfDeath @ Oct 5 2014, 10:36 AM)
so , bro, u no buy any insurance ?  drool.gif
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Nope, not a single insurance. Why? Because they cheat.
Savings = confirmed to cheat, a 10 year plan need 20 years to get it matured.
Investment link = value lost by > 75% within 3 years, got cheated by will be having 6%, at the end, 0% dividend for 3 years
medical? The only company that says will follow the document, but when I need to do a surgery, claim rejected. Doctor even willing to give me 50% of the total cost in cash if I can claim after appeal.
Do insurance cheat? Nope, it won't, but all the people working will cheat.
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post Oct 5 2014, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(DirectorLee @ Oct 5 2014, 11:41 AM)
So you bought insurance, can you explain to me up to this moment, how much you gained from them? I don't know, money? safety? whatever it is?

I didn't buy 1, and when i broke three of my metatarsals from extreme sports, I went for surgery and stay in government hospital. Ended up total charges not more than rm150.
Do you know how much the government spend on healthcare annually? And lets not go into debating how paying premium insurance is more worth it and private hospital bla bla bla...
Because at the end of the day, the charges go back to you, in the form of...... insurance....
Insurance & Priv hospital have their own arrangement, do simply logic, if insurance company gain, and private hospital gain. In the end, who losses?
Take for instance, if I am to go into private hospital for that surgery, The bill will comes out like god know's RM 5k? RM 7k? I don't know... But I don't have to pay a dime for it because my insurance covers it all.
But of course there are times when these insurance plan are really helpful too. like maybe when the government healthcare services are so crowded and bad (and slow LOL). Private hospitals are more comfortable.

All in all, you should only pay for what you can afford, don't get yourself misled into premium plans that you couldn't afford, in the end who's the one who gets hurt?

I go for body check-up, decent diet, regular exercises, I would rather invest into my well-being than pay up all these insurance premium and wait for the "Big Finish" because I am too lazy to really Take Care of Myself.
But this topic is about what income-builder scheme, which is more to investment, not insurance. Lets stay there.
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Bah, another person that does not trust insurance thumbup.gif
But yes, this is a fact that people don't know, sad but true.
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post Jan 2 2016, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(jac1792 @ Jan 2 2016, 02:06 AM)
Insurance dont cheat, but humans do.
Not just those working for the company, aka agents but also those who buy.
If you know next week you're going for major operation and will cost about 50k, you think you will buy or not?
Seeing the way you portray yourself here, sure you will buy, and confirm won't disclose that you're going operation next week.
Pay few hundred, but cover my 50k wor, save so much.

If you don't already know, when one finger of yours is pointing at others and calling them cheaters, there are another four more pointing right back at you.
If you have had bad experience with agents, then you have my sympathy because I did too.
Know that when you allow your past experience to keep you from moving past it, you're just allowing that same person to continue hurting your benefit.
You think if you don't buy insurance, that fella got feel meh? The fella will suffer financially meh? He/She probably even forgotten about you.
But if you still don't get it and still wish to condemn insurance, by all means, anyways it says more about your lack of understanding of the true purpose of insurance.
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Next week going for operation and buy now it won't cover.
Yup, you are right, not all agent cheat, that's why I got cheated for 3 times shakehead.gif
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post Jan 2 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:21 AM)
Actually not really. Once I claim from airasia cause for damaged for my bag. Repairs cost rm100. They cover rm50 only. Saying something is their policy of minus rm50 from the claim. Like that also can. mad.gif vmad.gif

If you tell me that's not cheating then I don't know what is it. Only coveting half when padahal expect them to cover completely.

But as you said, buy insurance only if you cannot cover your networth and to protect the provider family.
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Well, buy that time they will say is covered.
But claim that time have limit.
Some may say we never read, but the fact is, the insurance seller cheated or misleaded buyer.
Is not easy to defend your stand since in forum there's > 8 insurance agents wanted to make a luxury living.

But I still agree with some that insurance agents does not cheat. But the agent's boss tell the agents that, if they don't secure so and so quota, they will out of job. So is up to the agent what needs to be done to get that quota. The agent know pretty well that 1 finger cut cannot claim, so they "accidentally" forgot to mention it shocking.gif
when the hard copy policy comes, they will try to look for excuse not to read it out.
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post Jan 2 2016, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2016, 10:38 AM)
Read through the thing. They didn't mentioned anything about rm50. I asked them (email) they told me you take the money or you don't take the money. You don't sign the paper, you won't get any money. You signed, you get only rm50. So if they want to play like that next time. I can play like that also. Ask the shop to write in the receipt next time for extra RM150.

If buying a cheap PA and they don't want to pay upon death, then it's cheating also what. As a PA is meant to cover usually natural, accident death. Am I not right? You pay higher premiums if you want larger amounts, and it to cover more areas.
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Well, as or this, they have the ultimate excuse to deny your claim : following your luggage's value.
Happen to me when I got cheated for the 3rd time, they use "too many people abusing it" as excuse to deny the claim.
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post Jan 6 2016, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(13aby @ Jan 6 2016, 01:47 PM)
Even is friend or close friend , they only wan sales and commision . Who cares when u die ..... Saving plan via insurance is always no to me... There are lot more way like FD to do a saving plan .
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This bloody statement are darn true.
A very sad case for me on 31st Dec, my grandfather passed away. We do the normal funeral process where my late grandfather was kept at temple for 2 days. Most of my aunties do have some friends come, but not for my auntie that are super rich by selling trust funds. Only her manager came(also because need to know when she can back to work).
Insurance or trust fund agents won't have any friends sweat.gif

 

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