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Bassix
post Sep 4 2006, 08:53 PM

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well get a bunch of guitarist and jam together. Then you blend all the pentatonic skills together. Then it'll sound different. laugh.gif . Throw in a drum solo halfway and some honky tonk with a punchy bass and wualah....southern blues rock. hahahahah
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I've got the perfect song for that... FREEBIRD!!! thumbup.gif laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2006, 09:57 PM

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Meh. I will probably play the same thing for 30 minutes........ No variation..... No changes.......
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post Sep 4 2006, 11:35 PM

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Same here LOL. I only know pentatonics (and some major scale) so far and I find myself sounding the same thing over and over again.

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Sep 4 2006, 08:11 PM)
You need a knock in your head. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Put it this way, if I give you a guitar and you're only limited to te pentatonic scales, along with a 12-bar minor blues backing track, you'ill still unable to play it as tastefully as Clapton.

The blues is always limited to the pentatonics, it's not what notes you use, is how you place it over the chord that matters. Any blues fan would agree with this.
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yup,

i studied the bluesbreakers album, now only left 3 songs unplayed (i can play the rest of them) and it staggers me how a 21 yr old dude can play around with the same licks yet still sound different every time.

in white room, almost exclusively in D pentatonic, but every riff still sounds so cool... could be th wah wah though

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post Sep 6 2006, 10:07 AM

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well it's not all about the choice of notes too. The feel is sometimes more important. Take for example knopfler. My all time favourite guitarist. It's not because he shreds a million notes per second or that he plays jazzy harmonies all the time. It's simple blues and pentatonic but it's his signature sound and feel that make him one of the greatest guitarist ever.

And i've heard some solo pieces with 2 note solos. Yes just 2 notes. With a suitable chord progression, these kind of solos will kill you. So why bother with pentatonics when you can have bitonics laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dilin @ Sep 6 2006, 09:20 AM)
i studied the bluesbreakers album, now only left 3 songs unplayed (i can play the rest of them) and it staggers me how a 21 yr old dude can play around with the same licks yet still sound different every time.

in white room, almost exclusively in D pentatonic, but every riff still sounds so cool... could be th wah wah though
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I can only play the first song hahah... it's a simple track but to be able to feel the track as well as Clapton is the hard part. You're right, a 21 year old dude who has studied all the blues great and come up with something that's original. Clapton is God, indeed. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Bassix @ Sep 6 2006, 10:07 AM)
well it's not all about the choice of notes too. The feel is sometimes more important. Take for example knopfler. My all time favourite guitarist. It's not because he shreds a million notes per second or that he plays jazzy harmonies all the time. It's simple blues and pentatonic but it's his signature sound and feel that make him one of the greatest guitarist ever.

And i've heard some solo pieces with 2 note solos. Yes just 2 notes. With a suitable chord progression, these kind of solos will kill you. So why bother with pentatonics when you can have bitonics  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Feel is definitely important for me. I second the Mark Knopfler comment, love his stuff with Dire Straits and his solos always fit the songs perfectly. Amazing tone too. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Sep 6 2006, 10:49 AM)
I can only play the first song hahah... it's a simple track but to be able to feel the track as well as Clapton is the hard part. You're right, a 21 year old dude who has studied all the blues great and come up with something that's original. Clapton is God, indeed. biggrin.gif
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first song.. all your love.. ha ha.. compared to stepping out and hideway that's pretty simple.

stepping out and hideway are my sig pieces.. use them to cheat lil gals ha ha!! biggrin.gif
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i can feel,but i cannot play what i want in my head because its just limited!

i can't reach that note and speed.is it caused by the overused pentatonic scale?

i'm getting worried.i only know 2 scales.,the pentatoni and the hamornic that i forgot the name.
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post Sep 6 2006, 02:19 PM

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Why don't you get backing track and record your improvised solo?? Then post it here and let the experts like Pix and Jemi comment??? Maybe there're flaws that you haven't noticed earlier or ideas you may have not thought of??

Recording quality doesn't matter. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(darrencw @ Sep 6 2006, 12:37 PM)
i can feel,but i cannot play what i want in my head because its just limited!

i can't reach that note and speed.is it caused by the overused pentatonic scale?

i'm getting worried.i only know 2 scales.,the pentatoni and the hamornic that i forgot the name.
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there is no overused of penta, sure you can play it with your eyes closed and the guitar behind the back. but can you create the feel and emotion?
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post Sep 6 2006, 06:38 PM

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As a beginner can I give my opinion...

Yes you can learn soloing but at the same time learn scales, and for me it helps alot. There's one program called Guitar Speed Trainer that I used currently.

Knowing freat notes is important too. I do find changing cords quiet easy when you know the formation of cords.

But you can't rely on internet. You need a proper teacher, to tell you it's correct or not.

Just my 2 cent....
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post Sep 8 2006, 01:37 AM

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http://www.alloutguitar.com/education/less...to_rock_soloing

Registration required though... smile.gif
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post Sep 8 2006, 01:47 AM

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i played any songs from a cd....then i try to figure out the key...right after that i improvise all the way... learn the major and minor scale, harmonic and melodic minor scales for a start...

juz my 2 penny!! anyone can correct if i'm wrong..
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post Sep 8 2006, 06:41 AM

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Scales are very important... can learn how to improvise them.. to create own solo...

Sometimes I don't really like those STARS-wannabe in those Cafe that sings Chinese Pop songs.. because they always said scales are "curi makan" stuffs..

They claim pop songs play repetitive simple stuffs is the most creative thing in the Guitar World!!...
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post Sep 8 2006, 11:30 AM

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im trying to learn a solo while listening to the song with the help of some tabs but it is played at such a great speed, i can't catch what was played. is there any software to slow down the tempo of the song? tongue.gif
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get a DJ program like PCDJ red that can slow down the tempo, or just load it in Adobe Audition and slow it down/
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post Sep 8 2006, 01:26 PM

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zomg i haet solos.

Have you guys heard the John Petrucci cover the prince's purple rain. Pretty whoresome!@!
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post Sep 8 2006, 01:51 PM

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If you hate solos (and you obviously hate the dictionary judging from your spelling), get the f' out of this thread.......

Seriously. Why do you hate solos? Personal opinion? Music industry brainwashing? What?

I hate people who complain without giving their reasons.........

And don't forget man........ you're in a thread FILLED with awsome guitarists.... led_zep is a meanie in SRV blues, Pix will chomp off your head with his Satriani infuesed licks, Jemi and Zero can solo faster then they can run, and I will personally unleash a Black Label beating......
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And don't forget man........ you're in a thread FILLED with awsome guitarists.... led_zep is a meanie in SRV blues, Pix will chomp off your head with his Satriani infuesed licks, Jemi and Zero can solo faster then they can run, and I will personally unleash a Black Label beating......

what about me? cry.gif cry.gif

by the way, u can also slow songs down using windows media player.
enchancements>play speed settings
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