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post Sep 3 2006, 10:11 PM

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those tips are useful but u all miss out on something

1. learn other peoples solo
unless u're a genius that can just magically come up with brilliant solos, theres nothing wrong copying from those u like

2. make ur own solo
using what u've learnt try playing a solo of ur own replacing the one u've known

3. solo over a backing track

i believe having more theory knowledge will give u a clearer idea where to go in ur solos.
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post Sep 3 2006, 11:45 PM

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yeah, HAVE FUN!!!!

just look at our faces when we solo... orgasm expressions. lol.

no one could explain this better than the great led zep
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post Sep 4 2006, 01:02 AM

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blacktrix, u seriously need to get on stage and perform. its the fastest way to learn and improve ur playing. not to mention the amount of fun we get.

led zep, no need to thank me. tongue.gif
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post Sep 8 2006, 02:05 PM

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And don't forget man........ you're in a thread FILLED with awsome guitarists.... led_zep is a meanie in SRV blues, Pix will chomp off your head with his Satriani infuesed licks, Jemi and Zero can solo faster then they can run, and I will personally unleash a Black Label beating......

what about me? cry.gif cry.gif

by the way, u can also slow songs down using windows media player.
enchancements>play speed settings
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post Sep 8 2006, 11:21 PM

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echo... the guitarist who could own me in guitar any day, any time.

as if. ive seen u play and u';re good. u havent seen me play yet. haha.


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post Sep 9 2006, 12:34 PM

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pix, most of the recordings i post online are just very rough stuff i recorded on my own. anyways, wait a few more months as i will head off to the studio soon to do TWO recordings for 2 diff bands! one will probably be in december and another about a months time. i hope it all goes well.
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post Sep 9 2006, 01:28 PM

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never heard anything of yours, rough stuff or not... i'd like to hear your style, your sound, etc...

anyway, I like it the rough way.

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yes u have and uve given me some positive critism.
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post Sep 9 2006, 03:12 PM

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sean, pm me on msn messenger and i'll send u an ebook on scales. i havent really read through it but only browse through quickly. should be good enough. i gave led zep one copy too.

scales will only give u a rough direction where to go. to solo, u need creativity to tell your 'story'. learning all the scales is like memorising all the words in a dictionary, it wont guarantee u write better lyrics but it does help.
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post Sep 10 2006, 07:57 AM

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I think it's just a list of scales and doesn't explain much on how to use them in a song context

but ive never really read an article teaching how to use a scale in a song context.
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post Sep 10 2006, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Sep 10 2006, 12:40 PM)
sigh...... just came back from class and realized how crappy a solo-er I am..... Take away my Pentatonics, and I can't solo for crap!!!!

Relying on Minor, Major and the Arpeggios while doing chord changes...... urgh...... somehow..... I just kept going back to the pentatonics......

I REALLY need some new inspiration WITHOUT relying on the pentas..... any recommendations???
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1. like everdying said, add more notes in to play the full scale.
2. dont get stuck in one position, move around the neck (thats if u're playing just the box shaped pentatonics).
3. slow down...hang on to one note. with ur mxr overdrive pedal the note would sustain quite a while.
4. techniques. use techniques to make ur notes 'shine' more. dont overuse a technique, use a few and sparingly. u dont have to alternate pick every single note.
5. if all fails, whack the whammy bar or do some whammy bar tricks and pose. tongue.gif too bad my les paul doesnt have a whammy bar. oh ya, this trick wont work without the 'rockstar pose' to cover up that u ran out of ideas to solo. blush.gif jk
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post Sep 10 2006, 11:09 PM

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those who requested for the ebook on scales, check ur emails!
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post Sep 11 2006, 03:30 PM

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whoa! everyone requesting for ebook. for those of you having ebooks, please send some to me too!!!!

check ur emails

im not sure if the scale ebook is good coz i havent gone through it. dont feel really pushed to go read it as i can already improv solo(although theres alot more room for improvements).
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post Sep 11 2006, 06:02 PM

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modes are actually very very simple. its just the name that scares beginners off.
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post Sep 11 2006, 08:41 PM

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im sure everyone who solos used modes at times. u may not realise it.

all the best sean392

darrencw, dont worry, ive been there and took me quite a while before i could actually solo. just keep working on it. have more confidence. i used to complain alot too such as i dont have a teacher, i have no skills, listening skills are weak, i take quite a while before being able to learn something, not enough gears, etc. I still do complain so i have to keep reminding myself not to and get back working on my chops.
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for those who are so used soloing in A natural minor(or C major), solo as usual just that u emphasise on E as the root note. walla!!! thats phrygian mode. not so hard right?
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check ur mail.

led zep, since u brought that part up, give a short lesson on it. tongue.gif
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post Sep 14 2006, 07:25 PM

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i believe its still possible.

i was lucky to start with pretty decent gear for a beginner
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post Sep 15 2006, 05:56 PM

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seems like some of you want more explanation on scales so u can solo. scales are just scales! learn the theory behind it. once u get it, theres no such lesson telling u which note to play and how. if thats the case every solo would sound the same and it'll end up like a maths equation that music. so, read the lessons they type above, understand how it works, play backing tracks out loud and pick up ur guitar and keep trying to solo.
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its not even 'wrong' playing a note not in the scale. just dont hang on it too long(or itll sound so weird). i use chromatics too in some parts of my solos to add tension.
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post Sep 20 2006, 11:09 PM

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found this somewhere in my theory folder in my computer

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Augmented
An Augmented triad consists of a starting tone, a tone a Major Third above the starting tone, and a third tone another Major Third above the second tone. The interval between the starting tone and the third tone is an Augmented Fifth, and it is this interval that gives the chord its name.

An example of an Augmented triad would consist of the tones C, E and G#.

The Augmented triad is a symmetrical chord, meaning that, if you were to add the octave of the starting tone to the top of the chord (another C, in this example), you'd have a chord made up al all Major Thirds: C - E - G# (Ab) - C.

What this means in practical terms is that the Root of an Augmented chord can be determined only by how the chord is spelled. Again referring to the example, and using the exact same tones:
C - E - G# = C Augmented (C+)
E - G# - B# © = E Augmented (E+)
Ab - C - E = Ab Augmented (Ab+)

Diminshed
The Diminished triad constists of a starting tone, a second tone a Minor Third above that, and a third tone a [/b]Minor Third[/b] above the second tone. The interval between the starting and third tones is a Diminished Fifth, and this is how the chord gets its name.

The Diminished triad often acts like a Dominant 7 chord without a root.

An example of a Diminished triad would be C - Eb - Gb

If we add a fourth tone another Minor Third above the third tone, we create the Fully-Diminished chord. An example of this chord would be:

C - Eb - Gb - Bbb (B double-flat = enharmonic A)

The fully-diminished chord, like the augmented triad, is symmetrical. Naming the chord depends entirely on how the chord tones are spelled and/or notated on the score.

Using the same tones, we can assign a fully-diminished chord one of four names:

C - Eb - Gb - Bbb = C diminished (C dim or C0 (imagine a small zero))

D# - F# - A - C= D# diminished

F# - A - C - Eb= F# diminished

A - C - Eb - Eb= A diminished

You can lower any tone of a fully-diminished chord to produce a Dominant 7 chord, and the tone you lowered will be the root of that 7 chord.

For example, if you lower the F# of the fully-diminished F#dim chord (F# - A - C - Eb) one-half step, the lowered tone (F) becomes the root of an F7 chord:
F - A - C - Eb

Practicing this all over the fingerboard will produce some very interesting insights and will improve your chord knowledge tremendously. Try it, and have fun.

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