TVB Jade is a foreign channel which subject to 3-5 mins delay off the actual feed, so whether the censor happens or not depends on the staff on the shift at that time, because one person needs to monitor 3-4 channels at a time, so its not surprising things like this might "accidentally" got through

meanwhile WLT/AOD are in house channels where all contents are pre-recorded and edited in house prior to airing

Look at this: http://www.mysabah.com/wordpress/checking-...-astro-decoder/

Those are older decoders. I believe last time it was able to.

yeah, delayed censorship is done by the staff on duty

I have seen some uncensored content slipped past
saw some brief titties and dongs on Astro before
especially on those shows past midnight, probably those censorship staffs already half asleep

Thanks for informing me. I never thought that it worked only in the old decoders. I was ignorant and did not even know about such things until I read the post here, LOL!

Ya, kissing scenes certainly may not get that staff in trouble for missing it... but if too many times the titties got through after midnight, then that person in TVB Jade may be moved to other duties and may even be out of a job! Hehehe!

Please correct me if I am wrong. I thought the TVB shows are played from "tapes/discs" that are already set in broadcasting players so the materials are already filtered by their censors. Even if the staff on duty at that time make any mistake, it should only be playing the wrong episodes or wrong time in playing advertisements. When I saw the man jump towards the other man to kiss him, TVB Jade showed the entire scene from his jump to the actual kiss when he hugged him. For Ass-throw, I saw him jump then suddenly he was hugging the other man after the kiss.

I don't know if I am wrong to say... isn't the TVB episode have already been filtered and the kissing scene was left in by the censors and not caused by the staff on duty at the time the episodes was played? Yes, its demanding on the staff on duty to monitor many channels at the same time but, mmm... I don't think that staff role includes censorship loh.

Mmm... I also thought that the latest modern technology have been used where a lot of tapes/discs are already loaded, daisy chained and pre-programmed to play on schedule so all the staff on duty needs to do is sit there watching the broadcast and correcting any problems that can occur such as tapes jamming, playing music video on standby to fill in the time if a show ended too early and various other hiccups.

In my opinion, its should not be practical to also put more workload to the staff on duty to also become the censor.

So, in my personal view... when TVB Jade "missed" the kissing part between the 2 men, its not because the staff on duty at that time missed it or allowed it because the video itself has already been filtered by their censors before it reaches the hands of that staff. The same thing happens for Ass-throw... the materials have already been filtered by censors before they are passed over to the staff on duty who controls the actual broadcast.

I believe its true that the staff in charge will have to do it during a Live Telecast, to monitor, check and censor any materials deemed off-limits by cutting off for commercials or using other methods by telling the cameraman to move to another angle, or something like that.

I supposed that you can be right if you say that the Ass-throw staff on duty is to monitor the materials broadcasted from TVB Jade may have missed out the "kissing scene" on a single episode so that person did not use the 3-4 minutes to cut off that particular scene BUT its difficult for me to believe why that scene have been missed out and not cut by the Ass-throw staff because that same episode have been shown many times repeatedly in Channel 350 on the same day. When the Ass-throw staff sits and monitor the broadcast relayed to Ass-throw from Hong Kong (or wherever) could that person have missed it for so many repeats and yet that person did not miss it and cut it off for Wah Lai Toi which shows less repeats in the same day. This is why I suspect that the staff on duty do not actually perform censorship duties and I believe such censorship have already been done earlier. Well... I can be wrong here.

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Jun 7 2016, 05:03 PM

They don't use tapes/discs in modern broadcasting anymore
most of the things are already digitized, press a few buttons on a panel then you're good to go

Astro purchase the content from TVB, they just stream whatever TVB broadcast from their broadcast center which is streaming to multiple purchasers as well,
It's up to the purchaser to censor the content, not the broadcaster, in this case, Assthrow will be the censor.

This post has been edited by greyshadow: Jun 7 2016, 04:54 PM

Yes, correct. Digitized materials stored in Optical Discs or Harddisks/SSD Harddisks.

I agree with what you said. Its up to Ass-throw to monitor the content coming from TVB broadcast. The Ass-throw staff sits and watch the TVB episode to make sure nothing "undesirable" pass through and if it happens, then use the 3-4 minutes to cut it off. That "staff on duty" did not miss it and cut off that scene for the same episode shown in Wah Lai Toi which was shown "only" a few times on the same day. And when that scene appeared in TVB Jade and repeated for so many times on the same day, why did Ass-throw staff on duty missed this from TVB Jade and did not miss this from Wah Lai Toi? I hope you don't mind... this is where I am a bit confused here. Is it because there were 2 different Ass-throw staff for TVB Jade and Wah Lai Toi?

Different team of ppl doing the censorships, different standard of acceptance/attention.

Haha like that also can adoi

No worries. I didn't know too until I googled it one day.

We hope Astro will launching the newest Value Pack 6 for the best of TVB entertainment that comes with Dynasty Pack, Jade Pack and also include Family Pack, HD Service and Astro On-The-Go.

Yes, HBO HD has 3 dedicated feeds Fr SG, I.e. Asia, Malaysia and Taiwan. Hence all programs on HBO HD Malaysia are all edited for Astro, same goes for the SD feed.

Actually, I enjoyed it. Got my dose of fun here.

Worth the money paying for.

to tell u the truth, the guys monitoring live channels and the guys who edit/censor the purchased contents are from different teams.

for the playout channels eg WLT, AOD, AEC etc, they have ample time to screen through the shows before scheduled them for airing, the same show are recorded in advance from content providers such as TVB, via private satellite link, giving them enough time for whatever editing and QC.

however this is not the case for live channel monitoring, as more and more foreign channels coming in, yet the headcount presumably still the same, hence expect the drop in the quality of work. This is actually a very mundane and boring job, imagine 12 hours staring at a screen with multiple tv shows you don't feel interested about

Ok, had my fun. Back to what I want to say now.

This is my follow-up to the previous related conversations about the staff that censors video content.

First and foremost, whatever I say here in this reply is ONLY my personal opinion. I have absolutely no proof that I am right. Parts of my explanations here may not be correct too. If anyone here says that I am wrong, then I will not dispute it because you or anyone else may also be right too.

I will try to make it as simple as possible. Long winded as usual. Sorry for that!

The staff on duty at the "broadcast control room" (or whatever name) monitoring many different channels is not in charge of any censorship of any digitized video content that are already set to play at the touch of the button. Unless someone here can prove to me with facts that the "staff on duty" do actually "also handle" the censorship, then I will definitely change my opinion.

I hope I am right when I say that all the pre-recorded digitized video shows are already inserted into multiple stack players in a "room" or whatever place and ready to play automatically as scheduled, based on pre-set designated times. I can be wrong on how they actually do it.

This makes me think that the digitized content have already been filtered and any "unacceptable" scenes have already been censored BEFORE it reaches the "stack player room". So, its a matter of, from which broadcaster that plays those digitized content and send out the feed.

With that being said, lets assume for now that the TVB Jade HD channel 326 feed originates directly from TVB Hong Kong, then received and relayed by Ass-throw. I believe that the content have already been filtered by their censors BEFORE TVB Hong Kong feed it to Ass-throw. I was talking previously about the censored kissing scene between 2 men in AOD HD Channel 350.

Because Hong Kong have a more liberal or different view on such "man-to-man" or homosexual scenes, TVB in Hong Kong who produced the drama series included that scene into the script and did NOT bother to censor it when they send the feed to Ass-throw. If it is true that the Ass-throw staff on duty are also performing censorship duties, it does NOT positively explain to me why that Ass-throw staff did NOT cut off that kissing scene when monitoring the Hong Kong feed, especially when that same episode was shown many times repeatedly in 24 hours in TVB Jade HD (channel 326). It does not make sense to me that the staff on duty "may" have missed it from Jade HD and cut off that scene from AOD channels.

If it is the Ass-throw staff on duty that cut off that kissing scene in AOD HD Channel 350 and AOD SD Channels 351 to 353 then why did that Ass-throw staff NOT cut off that scene from the TVB Jade HD feed (repeated many times in 24 hours) before Malaysians sees it?

If the explanation that the "mistake" of not cutting off that scene was because of two different Ass-throw staff on duty with different views on what should be censored, I find it difficult to believe because I would think that Ass-throw (or whoever at the Malaysian side) should already have "trained" all their control room staff on what to follow according to set guidelines. Its not a matter of which staff have different style of censorship. If different staff was on duty at different times, even if staff are changed every 8 hours, its difficult for me to understand why they accidentally "missed it" from TVB Jade HD, when that same episode was shown repeatedly for many times on that day (24 hours) in TVB Jade HD. If anyone still insists that the "slip-up" was caused by different staff on duty on that same day, then MAYBE its true but my doubt still remains.

This is what I believe, point by point...

1) All digitized video content have already been filtered by censors and any content in violation of the censorship guidelines in that country will be cut off BEFORE it reaches the control room.

2) The already filtered (censored) video content are then set up to play from the control room.

3) The staff on duty in the control room just flicks a button to play the video content and that person may not even have to touch the button on the control panel as everything is computer controlled. Possibly that person just loads fresh video content into the players when completed.

4) That staff on duty probably already have lots of work to do such as loading the video content into racks of players, monitoring the broadcast to check for any disruptions such as signal loss caused by feed interruptions, video content failing to play properly, have to monitor many channels at the same time, and so forth. I don't think that staff can handle the added work load of censoring video content for so many channels with the 3-4 minutes delay (or whatever delay time) allocated to do it.

5) Yes, Ass-throw can employ many many staff sitting at the same time in the broadcast control room which can make censorship possible. If it is true that those staffs handled the censorship, then why did those many staff missed that kissing scene from TVB Jade feed from Hong Kong? If there are so many staff sitting there at the same time, its difficult for me to understand why they could have "accidentally" missed it when they did not miss it in Ass-throw local feed for AOD HD Ch.351 and AOD SD Ch.351-353.

6) For TVB Jade channel... I believe the actual video content was pre-filtered by censors in Hong Kong. TVB broadcasted that content and then fed to Ass-throw. Hong Kong Censorship regulators did not cut off that scene because they feel that the "kissing man to man" scene is not serious enough to violate their guidelines.

7) For AOD HD/SD channels... I believe the actual video content have already been sent to Ass-throw in Malaysia much earlier so it is subjected to OUR Malaysian Censorship regulators who felt that such scenes failed their guidelines so that scene have been cut off.

8) If it is possible for the Ass-throw staff monitoring the TVB Jade feed from Hong Kong to censor off that scene, they will have done it because that scene have been cut off in AOD HD/SD.

When the video content is played in Hong Kong and fed to Ass-throw, it has been been filtered by THEIR regulators. When the same video content is sent to Ass-throw and broadcast directly from Malaysia, it has already been filtered by OUR Malaysian regulators. This is why we see that scene cut off for our "local" AOD channels BUT appeared in the foreign feed of TVB Jade HD channel from Hong Kong.

IF both TVB Jade and AOD feed came directly from TVB Hong Kong, it does not explain why Hong Kong practiced double standards, cut off from one channel but not the other.

Explicit depiction of nudity and sexual acts are taboo in many Asian countries such as Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong. I believe when such "explicit" scenes are found, they are censored off in Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong so it does NOT matter where the video content are played from which country. So, I can expect many nude scenes from the Game Of Thrones TV series to have been cut off in Hong Kong, Malaysia and Singapore. Even if the feed came from any of these countries, it does not matter, as such explicit scenes will be censored. Hehe... dipotong dan tak boleh nampak lagi loh.

Its only when such "borderline" cases appear (such as 2 men kissing) that steps on different social views in different countries, then such things happened where one channel censored it while another allowed it. In any cases where the views are the same, then this type of thing will not happen... all explicit nude scenes will be cut off from all channels in such countries.

I DO stress again that I am only giving own personal opinion without any facts to support my believes. So, if anyone here tells me that I am wrong here, I will just acknowledge that other people's opinions can also be right too. If anyone here can show to me with concrete proof that the staff on duty at the broadcast control room handles such censorship, then I will say thank you and change my opinion.

Times have changed on what is deemed acceptable and what is not. If I remember it correctly, before TV3 was born and before colour TV, simple kisses which are sensual have been cut off. At one time... RTM was not even allowed to broadcast local and foreign Bands with members in long hair and don't expect sexy girls in revealing bikinis to be allowed. How much have this changed? I don't need to answer that. Anyway, how much it has changed is just another story not related to this topic here.

for 'fresh" imported shows, the raw content still recorded in tape, but in digital format, for industry use, reason for using tape is to prevent content leaking aka piracy

then, the tape will be ingested into video server to convert it into a digital video file, this process is called "ingestion", there got an electric arm to pick up the tape from the rack and feed it into the server

this process is only for in house playout channel showing "same day as TW/China/HK bla bla bla"

for repeated shows they either get it from the server or retrieve back from the tape library

take AOD for example, the particular TVB episode actually arrived in our shore way earlier than its scheduled premiere date in both HK and Malaysia. For eg if Monday night is premiere for Ep1, then maybe on Sunday night Astro might already received the show from TVB under certain arrangement. Then, using that 1 day window period, they have ample time to do censorship and post-processing, you need to know that AOD existed way earlier than TVB Jade set foot here, so before this we didn't have the chance to witness the discrepancies as there's no occurrence of the same content appearing on different channels. The nature of the "live monitoring team" is that, hmm.. they tend to assume a lot.. means that they ll pay lesser attention to chinese contents compare to Fox Movies, because no matter how liberal HK is, it is still not possible to broadcast foul language and nudity in TVB

Yes, as I have mentioned earlier when I said that its much easier for the Ass-throw control room staff to monitor and censor a Live Telecast compared to a digitized playback. I definitely do agree with you that the staff can censor any objectionable parts of a Live Telecast. My previous comments have noted this so censorship for Live Telecast is also what I do believe.

When the video materials were sent through satellite to Ass-throw in advance and recorded by Ass-throw for later broadcast, would it make better sense for Ass-throw staff to view the recorded video and censor it BEFORE doing it in the control room. Even if Ass-throw staff handled the recording less than, maybe, 10 minutes before actual broadcast, they did have the time to actually cut off that scene in AOD channels.

Its only when the TVB Jade HD feed was sent to Ass-throw, I was wondering why the Ass-throw staff monitoring the video feed in advance (or pre-recorded it first then replay) did NOT censor off that kissing scene. Why not? 3-5 minutes delay time for TVB Jade not enough for them? Ass-throw "staff" did censor it off in AOD channels but not in TVB Jade HD.

I agree with you about the live channel monitoring situation.

What you are trying to say is that the TVB Jade feed is "live" and delayed for as many minutes as possible to allow Ass-throw to do censorship and I can understand that mistakes can happen and the delay time may not be enough time for Ass-throw staff to do it. Acceptable answer. When mistakes like this happened once on the same day for the same episode, very reasonable for mistakes to appear BUT for that scene to pass through even when that same episode was shown 3 to 4 times in 24 hours is... well... I find it confusing loh.

You are saying that the TVB Jade HD channel is a live feed from Hong Kong so thanks for clarifying that to me.

Channels carry astro branding are called in house channels (internally known as playout channels). Shows from these channels are stored in astro own playout server.

Tvb Jade playout is not done by astro, hence it does not carry astro logo. It is continuously beaming to astro from HK.