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post Sep 5 2014, 03:03 PM, updated 12y ago

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good concept smile.gif

Anybody know The Vantage by Lion Group in BMC? Double storey 40x65 from RM1.5m onwards... record-breaking
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 03:03 PM)
BBW junior,

RM300 psf, BBB mou?
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there is a conflicting statement ... "10% on SPA , 90 % on completion".... if it its build then sell... wasnt it supposed supposed to be only "10% SPA, the rest with the bank bla bla bla"

Why 90% on completion?
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post Sep 5 2014, 03:29 PM

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I thought there is already a thread open for this project?
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post Sep 5 2014, 03:55 PM

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this BTS concept should have been implemented gradually long time back...so property price will not be too speculative as of today...now is too late..the bench mark has been set..majority of Msian and young generation in particular have to pay the consequences...sad.gif

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QUOTE(manapergi @ Sep 5 2014, 03:36 PM)
Bts no fun lah
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tak boleh flip susah tu.. many competition... developers holding all completed units
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post Sep 5 2014, 03:59 PM

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That's not build and sell...LOL.
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post Sep 5 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Sep 5 2014, 03:25 PM)
there is a conflicting statement ... "10% on SPA , 90 % on completion".... if it its build then sell... wasnt it supposed supposed to be only "10% SPA, the rest with the bank bla bla bla"

Why 90% on completion?
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it's mean Developer will straight claim 90% amount from Tha Bank..

Owner will direct pay installment to the bank.

Which don't need to pay bank interest during construction stage.

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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Sep 5 2014, 04:29 PM)
it's mean Developer will straight claim 90% amount from Tha Bank..

Owner will direct pay installment to the bank.

Which don't need to pay bank interest during construction stage.
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built n sell can get rid of abandon risk, ok ma

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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Sep 5 2014, 03:25 PM)
there is a conflicting statement ... "10% on SPA , 90 % on completion".... if it its build then sell... wasnt it supposed supposed to be only "10% SPA, the rest with the bank bla bla bla"

Why 90% on completion?
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you pay the 10%, then there is no loan or bank involve until 2 month before VP. Then you go apply loan.
P bank release full payment and you pay loan.

if you cannot get bank approve in 2 months you burn the 10% loh.
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Sep 5 2014, 04:49 PM)
you pay the 10%, then there is no loan or bank involve until 2 month before VP. Then you go apply loan.
P bank release full payment and you pay loan.

if you cannot get bank approve in 2 months you burn the 10% loh.
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this what i called a proper explanation ~ unlike the other one ~
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Sep 5 2014, 04:49 PM)
you pay the 10%, then there is no loan or bank involve until 2 month before VP. Then you go apply loan.
P bank release full payment and you pay loan.

if you cannot get bank approve in 2 months you burn the 10% loh.
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too attract more buyers / investors,
the developer wont makan ur 10% la


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QUOTE(lai_dm @ Sep 5 2014, 04:48 PM)
built n sell can get rid of abandon risk, ok ma
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Also can see the product quality before purchase.
And less financial burden.
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post Sep 5 2014, 05:12 PM

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I think they got the whole concept of 'Build then Sell' wrong.
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post Sep 5 2014, 05:31 PM

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Malaysia got 3 models of delivery

1) the Normal Sell Then Build - Deveoper can sell after obtaining APDL without building anything. 99% of the time, it goes right but sometime things can go left like Bukit Tak Untung

2) The total Sell Then Build - ala See Hoy Chan @ Bandar Utama. Developer sell after CF is obtained, WHSIWYG

3) The Hybrid model by National House Buyers Association (HBA), called 10:90 Build Then Sell.

Developer can sell after APRL but buyer only pay 10% DP

60-days before estimated completion of construction, Developer will inform Buyer to get his Loan ready. Buyer takes Loan and pays 90% on completion.

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The location of Sg Long & BMC is okay? It's very nearby so I an rate as same place?
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post Sep 5 2014, 06:07 PM

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Cons of build and sell:

1. buyer have to pay straight away for full installment soon. this is great for own stay, not for investment
2. usually bloated price because developer has to.utilize 100% own money at first. if u know project economics, u know this is bad.
3. the appreciation u have after.buying can be very slow

pros:
1. no abandoned project
2. buyer get to see it physically. not easy to imagine if not physically there
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QUOTE(AMINT @ Sep 5 2014, 06:07 PM)
Cons of build and sell:

1. buyer have to pay straight away for full installment soon. this is great for own stay, not for investment
2. usually bloated price because developer has to.utilize 100% own money at first. if u know project economics, u know this is bad.
3. the appreciation u have after.buying can be very slow

pros:
1. no abandoned project
2. buyer get to see it physically. not easy to imagine if not physically there
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I can only see all good apart from flipper (especially those half pass six type).

Genuine investment no problem

Which property is not bloated price nowadays ?

Those who buy can really afford.

Can see quality, like it buy, don't like it don't buy, no more complain kena con.

Why appreciation very slow after buy ?? No logic ! in fact slow appreciation is good for the market, as it can be sustained in long term.


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save interest for sure... and inspection of property to the satisfaction..

low appreciation.. not good for investment

developers hold risk of property not going up if location no good..

more buyer owner friendly

i think the price may be high, but if you buying from flippers same concept.. they are also expensive after factoring 200k, this built and sell can get 90% for sure, house is there physically, flippers units pray that it can hit 70%

this is the the buyers market.. developers has burden to dispose all units, if cant discounts are very probable
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From Sg long club house to actual site showroom then return Sg long is abt 25km!!!
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As an example car makers can build cars using their own money then sell them to the public. Developers shouldnt be so special that they cant use their own money to build their own products and sell it at reasonable prices. If they cant do so they have no business being in the market, just like any other product manufacturer.

In fact it will force the developer to be more prudent with their costing and developments. Now they can suka suka price the products because everything is financed by banks.
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QUOTE(AMINT @ Sep 5 2014, 06:07 PM)
Cons of build and sell:

1. buyer have to pay straight away for full installment soon. this is great for own stay, not for investment
2. usually bloated price because developer has to.utilize 100% own money at first. if u know project economics, u know this is bad.
3. the appreciation u have after.buying can be very slow

pros:
1. no abandoned project
2. buyer get to see it physically. not easy to imagine if not physically there
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1. Houses are primarily for living in, not for investment. If this is too much to take, then probably the investor cant afford to be in the game.

2. As it is prices are bloated. Whats the difference? If they have no funds they can go open chendol stalls instead. Malaysian developers are spoiled.

3. Slow why? In fact the reduced supply would be better for cap appreciation.
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Talk for many years already. Come 2015 have to fully implement. This is a very good way of selling and buying a house.Many countries have adopted this method and houses are selling. Can pick and choose. Like it, pay for it. Decorate and furnish it and move in to stay. Don't have to be upset over shitty workmanship,late interest payment and LAD.

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QUOTE(natoptkc @ Sep 5 2014, 06:36 PM)
From Sg long club house to actual site showroom then return Sg long is abt 25km!!!
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i think u have a great misapprehension of distance and fact.. go on and take a drive to goodview residence from Utar sg Long/clubhouse sg long or even admiral park and capa residency.. it is merely less than 5 minutes only
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Sep 5 2014, 07:03 PM)
1. Houses are primarily for living in, not for investment. If this is too much to take, then probably the investor cant afford to be in the game.

2.  As it is prices are bloated. Whats the difference? If they have no funds they can go open chendol stalls instead. Malaysian developers are spoiled.

3. Slow why? In fact the reduced supply would be better for cap appreciation.
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there will be reduced risk of flipping price, as there are a lot of properties been hold by one developers who had invested so much in it..

appreciation upon Vp shall depends on whether developers has finish selling or not..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 09:54 PM)
i think u have a great misapprehension of distance and fact.. go on and take a drive to goodview residence from Utar sg Long/clubhouse sg long or even admiral park and capa residency.. it is merely less than 5 minutes only
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BBW, how long it takes from KLCC to this project during peak hour?? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:13 PM)
BBW, how long it takes from KLCC to this project during peak hour??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I think BBW must be sales man from SHL developer, all this while he keep saying all places are overprice and only sungai long palm walk and this sungai long good view heights are good buy... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:13 PM)
BBW, how long it takes from KLCC to this project during peak hour??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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This one million dollar question tantamount to ice bucket challenge sweat.gif
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 5 2014, 11:16 PM)
I think BBW must be sales man from SHL developer, all this while he keep saying all places are overprice and only sungai long palm walk and this sungai long good view heights are good buy... tongue.gif
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sshhhh bro doomdoom... perhaps many units in hand, kena sell fast fast.... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 5 2014, 11:16 PM)
This one million dollar question tantamount to ice bucket challenge sweat.gif
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Don't think BBW need to donate 1 million dollar if can't answer this question.... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

I reckon this project is about 8 minutes drive from Lekas Semenyih toll... whistling.gif whistling.gif

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:13 PM)
BBW, how long it takes from KLCC to this project during peak hour??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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My house is merely 10km (road distance) from KLCC, during peak hour it took me 1-1.5 hours to reach, visit a friend who lived in Sg Long after work, less than 1 hour reach his house, so ?

Bear 2 i think u just stir the Flipper Sarang ...lol

They got so angry u release the Build & Sell property news, now with their little capital, dream of goreng this property vanished, if this concept become more popular, flipper will vanished too...lol



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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:20 PM)
Don't think BBW need to donate 1 million dollar if can't answer this question....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

I reckon this project is about 8 minutes drive from Lekas Semenyih toll...  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Samkor look BBW down hmm.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 5 2014, 11:22 PM)
My house is merely 10km (road distance) from KLCC, during peak hour it took me 1-1.5 hours to reach, visit a friend who lived in Sg Long after work, less than 1 hour reach his house, so ?
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So, you still have friends stay in a place that is 2.5 hours from KLCC during peak hour, no??
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Samkor look BBW down hmm.gif
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Yoh.... never.... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:13 PM)
BBW, how long it takes from KLCC to this project during peak hour??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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answer is at least 20 to 25 minutes lesser from SEH or EM... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:24 PM)
So, you still have friends stay in a place that is 2.5 hours from KLCC during peak hour, no??
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Someone told me Puchong Bandar Puteri can take up to 2 hours to city centre, i can't confirm since i never tried.
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 5 2014, 11:16 PM)
I think BBW must be sales man from SHL developer, all this while he keep saying all places are overprice and only sungai long palm walk and this sungai long good view heights are good buy... tongue.gif
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u be gentleman i answer for you.. neither prices in sg long/mahkota are cheaper... just that the value are more value worth than most surrounding.. btw palm walk 3 still 750k ..

SEH vp also 750k or more...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:29 PM)
answer is at least 20 to 25 minutes lesser from SEH or EM... tongue.gif
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BBW, you sure from this project to Semenyih Lekas exit need 20 - 25 minutes? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:31 PM)
BBW, you sure from this project to Semenyih Lekas exit need 20 - 25 minutes?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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looks like the crystal balls effect gotten you ill sicken.. your crystal hmm.gif ball can predict traffic jams too... hmm gotta upgrading first
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 5 2014, 11:30 PM)
Someone told me Puchong Bandar Puteri can take up to 2 hours to city centre, i can't confirm since i never tried.
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Now, the question is why they choose to stay in a place 2 hours away from city center, rather choosing a place that like you, within 10km radium from the city center... brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:33 PM)
looks like the crystal balls effect gotten you ill sicken.. your crystal hmm.gif  ball can predict traffic jams too... hmm gotta upgrading first
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BBW, tell me from this project to LEKAS Semenyih Toll, where you will encounter jam? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:29 PM)
answer is at least 20 to 25 minutes lesser from SEH or EM... tongue.gif
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U pour salt to their pets snail lah ! now their dream melted already..lol

CloudAtlas challenge u said there is no Build & Sell project in the market woh, show him the link to spice him up.. hehe
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:33 PM)
Now, the question is why they choose to stay in a place 2 hours away from city center, rather choosing a place that like you, within 10km radium from the city center...  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Price my dear Price...lol

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Now, the question is why they choose to stay in a place 2 hours away from city center, rather choosing a place that like you, within 10km radium from the city center...  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Price my dear Price...lol

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 5 2014, 11:35 PM)
U pour salt to their pets snail lah ! now their dream melted already..lol

CloudAtlas challenge u said there is no Build & Sell project in the market woh, show him the link to spice him up.. hehe
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save your breath ... that guy is beyond save... lets back to the treads? i shall pay a visit to goodview built and sell..

jolo, you think this area good? you know this area? i see inside out also good... and not so far.. like Semenyih.. and cheapter or competitive price

surely, gota shoot down.. world class developer , planned township.. yup...
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 5 2014, 11:37 PM)
Price my dear Price...lol
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Bingo... I think that's a good point, no money need to sacrifice the time and petrol loh, correct? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:38 PM)
save your breath ... that guy is beyond save... lets back to the treads? i shall pay a visit to goodview built and sell..

jolo, you think this area good? you know this area? i see inside out also good... and not so far.. like Semenyih.. and cheapter or competitive price

surely, gota shoot down.. world class developer , planned township.. yup...
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2 hour 20 minutes from KLCC during peak hour woh, good buy? brows.gif brows.gif

If you know TTDI groove, sure know this place as well mah... brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:41 PM)
2 hour 20 minutes from KLCC during peak hour woh, good buy?  brows.gif  brows.gif

If you know TTDI groove, sure know this place as well mah...  brows.gif  brows.gif
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it is still better than Semenyih... anytime near.. till you vp and stay in emenyih and able to make Semenyih prosper then only we talk...

for now built and sell..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:43 PM)
it is still better than Semenyih... anytime near.. till you vp and stay in emenyih and able to make Semenyih prosper then only we talk...

for now built and sell..
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BBW, tell me about the accessibility of this project, how to go out, how to go in... brows.gif brows.gif


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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:46 PM)
BBW, tell me about the accessibility of this project, how to go out, how to go in...  brows.gif  brows.gif
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again dun beat around the bush.. just show us what is the nearest from and to Semenyih... dont do this kind of fishing information... it wont fall like a domino as you expected...

Semenyih=flipping= dead end= samkps
Semenyih=own stayyyyyyyy= maybe can survive and some appreciation

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:49 PM)
again dun beat around the bush.. just show us what is the nearest from and to Semenyih... dont do this kind of fishing information... it wont fall like a domino as you expected...

Semenyih=flipping= dead end= samkps
Semenyih=own stayyyyyyyy= maybe can survive and some appreciation
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Lol.... chill bro... just discussion mah, why need to be so fast to put in conclusion leh? tongue.gif tongue.gif

You sure I will not stay in Semenyih huh? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:51 PM)
Lol.... chill bro... just discussion mah, why need to be so fast to put in conclusion leh?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

You sure I will not stay in Semenyih huh?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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wait vp stay first, open house invite then only know... I am kajang there..

more reports will come after SEH vp..

selling price and occupancy .. name it now.. early hipothesis

ppl who are staying dont speak in such a tone like you, ppl who are intending to flip yea you about there...
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The advertisement shown HDA schedule-i, is it individual title?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:54 PM)
wait vp stay first, open house invite then only know... I am kajang there..

more reports will come after SEH vp..

selling price and occupancy .. name it now.. early hipothesis

ppl who are staying dont speak in such a tone like you, ppl who are intending to flip yea you about there...
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yeah, not far from now, eager waiting the VP of SEH as well..

Don't judge a person simply by how he talks loh, you also can't sure whether I am going to use it for own stay or investment woh...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:56 PM)
yeah, not far from now, eager waiting the VP of SEH as well..

Don't judge a person simply by how he talks loh, you also can't sure whether I am going to use it for own stay or investment woh...
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that is what i say, wait vp, open house.. right?
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The advertisement shown HDA schedule-i, is it individual title?
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Schedule i is individual title for build and sell houses I presume, while schedule j is for the strata title under same scheme..
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that is what i say, wait vp, open house.. right?
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The first phase for this project is expected to VP by 2015 as well... can we wait for VP and open house as well... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 6 2014, 12:01 AM)
The first phase for this project is expected to VP by 2015 as well... can we wait for VP and open house as well...  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 03:03 PM)
Bald bald wong, this is marketing strategy to sell. Once pay 10% sold liau lo that unit. But that unit completing next year. Wait la see next year if gomen can implement build thn sell. Good if can be implemented. Property price sure up up up. But lu believe can be implemented. But if really implemented bad news for DDD camp like you wo. Property bull another round up. laugh.gif

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Btw bald bald wong, you predicting next year property going to crash. Why bother bts or stb? Wait for thiz completion and crash next year thn only buy.Shld be called ctb: crash then buy. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 5 2014, 11:39 PM)
Bingo... I think that's a good point, no money need to sacrifice the time and petrol loh, correct?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Not really leh!
Because of the massive jam during peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road, eg yesterday it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre to my house though is mere 12km, unless u r talking about off peak & Sunday, with the way new project every couples of months i think in 3-4 years down the road it will be worse than Puchong, if u talking about Toll free to KL then i agreed that's an advantage.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 6 2014, 08:13 AM)
Not really  leh!
Because  of the massive  jam during  peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road,  eg yesterday  it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre  to my house though  is mere 12km,  unless  u r talking  about  off peak & Sunday,  with the way new project  every  couples  of months i think in 3-4 years down  the road it will be worse  than Puchong,  if u talking  about  Toll free to KL then i agreed  that's an advantage.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 11:54 PM)
wait vp stay first, open house invite then only know... I am kajang there..

more reports will come after SEH vp..

selling price and occupancy .. name it now.. early hipothesis

ppl who are staying dont speak in such a tone like you, ppl who are intending to flip yea you about there...
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I also think Semenyih will have hard to flip...... We have done a market research and decided not to buy land there......putra height better.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 6 2014, 08:13 AM)
Not really  leh!
Because  of the massive  jam during  peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road,  eg yesterday  it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre  to my house though  is mere 12km,  unless  u r talking  about  off peak & Sunday, with the way new project  every  couples  of months i think in 3-4 years down  the road it will be worse  than Puchong,  if u talking  about  Toll free to KL then i agreed  that's an advantage.
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semenyih was never about peak hours.. jokers go work at 10 am.. claim needs less than 1 hour to reach leisure mall, then back work at before 5 pm and reach before 6 pm.. with waze report too...

this is how selective investors are... he think all units in SEH are for ppl like him.. freelance, retired, most probably property agents and etc..
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I also think Semenyih will have hard to flip...... We have done a market research and decided not to buy land there......putra height better.
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Wait for ctb, ok? If bts, DDD can afford meh?  brows.gif
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you can really rot with your property there...that Mah Sing property garden residence.. how long vp already? oh ya opposite Lim kok weng...
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+100... try reconfirm this in EM or SEH threads.. they will curse till your 7 generations.. at the same time, they will say they are staying there...
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Bro bear u r oso living in tat part of town ma. Why curse urself le
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+100... try reconfirm this in EM or SEH threads.. they will curse till your 7 generations.. at the same time, they will say they are staying there...
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I see.....btw....I think price will up with bts concept.....one simple explaination from our research......bts....barriers of entry.....reduce supply.

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 6 2014, 08:13 AM)
Not really  leh!
Because  of the massive  jam during  peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road,  eg yesterday  it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre  to my house though  is mere 12km,  unless  u r talking  about  off peak & Sunday,  with the way new project  every  couples  of months i think in 3-4 years down  the road it will be worse  than Puchong,  if u talking  about  Toll free to KL then i agreed  that's an advantage.
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Why jam? 12 km u can take motor cycle mah. Reach home in 10 minutes.....tongue.gif
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I see.....btw....I think price will up with bts concept.....one simple explaination from our research......bts....barriers of entry.....reduce supply.
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I agreed. If really BTS, developer ll first built in the finance cost + future cost into the properties. DDD buyers how to fork out the money to buy leh? Plus many smaller developers cant finance the project n hence left the big boys to control the supplies of limited houses. The game is tailored for the rich.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 6 2014, 08:13 AM)
Not really  leh!
Because  of the massive  jam during  peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road,  eg yesterday  it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre  to my house though  is mere 12km,  unless  u r talking  about  off peak & Sunday,  with the way new project  every  couples  of months i think in 3-4 years down  the road it will be worse  than Puchong,  if u talking  about  Toll free to KL then i agreed  that's an advantage.
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Bro bear u r oso living in tat part of town ma. Why curse urself le
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I agreed. If really BTS, developer ll first built in the finance cost + future cost into the properties. DDD buyers how to fork out the money to buy leh? Plus many smaller developers cant finance the project n hence left the big boys to control the supplies of limited houses. The game is tailored for the rich.
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buying flipped properties same too.. inflated 200k .. cant get valuation.. any difference? nvm, we still prefer BTS even it is a rich pl game as claimed by you..


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 09:26 AM)
buying flipped properties same too.. inflated 200k .. cant get valuation.. any difference? nvm, we still prefer BTS even it is a rich pl game as claimed by you..
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Bbw. You talk without sense again. Why buy flipped properties again? If needed to buy flipped properties aka subsales means u need the house. If u can wait, why not buy from developers during launch as cheaper? If u can later buy from developers with inflated price for bts, why u dont buy earlier at cheaper price n your statement above like u r happy to buy at higher price with bts. Is this really discussion anymore or just pure want to win words?

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Bbw. You talk without sense again. Why buy flipped properties again? If needed to buy flipped properties aka subsales means u need the house. If u can wait, why not buy from developers during launch as cheaper? If u can later buy from developers with inflated price for bts, why u dont buy earlier at cheaper price n your statement above like u r happy to buy at higher price with bts. Is this really discussion anymore or just pure want to win words?
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if we buy higher price, we prefer benefiting the developers rather than no value added flippers (that is if property going up)
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 6 2014, 09:34 AM)
Noted. Oso remember bro bear labelled both town not for human livable. Oso cant forget onli jh is human livable eventhou in kajang due to ex leader living there.  tongue.gif  brows.gif

Bro bear, stimes an over bias remark ll not b too gd le. In case ex leader move to bb, jialat liao. Suddenly many followers need to change statement saying bb is livable pulak.  cool2.gif

Imagine how much time needed to edit the previous comments in lyn just like how ex leader alwiz did. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 6 2014, 09:17 AM)
I agreed. If really BTS, developer ll first built in the finance cost + future cost into the properties. DDD buyers how to fork out the money to buy leh? Plus many smaller developers cant finance the project n hence left the big boys to control the supplies of limited houses. The game is tailored for the rich.
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You think DDD camp like Beggar wong and kkj jolokia understd this simple statement? Some more these pipu never buy house b4, you think they understd what you talking about? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 6 2014, 10:21 AM)
You think DDD camp like Beggar wong and kkj jolokia understd this simple statement? Some more these pipu never buy house b4, you think they understd what you talking about?  biggrin.gif
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Not they dont understand. It is just purely keyboard warrior down syndrome. They cant accept the n admit it since they took their stand at one side n hence tak kira salah betul also must win the argument eventhough it is out right wrong.
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Not they dont understand. It is just purely keyboard warrior down syndrome. They cant accept the n admit it since they took their stand at one side n hence tak kira salah betul also must win the argument eventhough it is out right wrong.
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Not they dont understand. It is just purely keyboard warrior down syndrome. They cant accept the n admit it since they took their stand at one side n hence tak kira salah betul also must win the argument eventhough it is out right wrong.
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yup. this is why sometimes when i say something, someone die die dont agree with me, even said my point is not logical, i just kept quiet already. i shared info based on my experience of buying props. if duwan to listen, its ok. i dont lose anything. smile.gif

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yup. this is why sometimes when i say something, someone die die dont agree with me, even said my point is not logical, i just kept quiet already. i shared info based on my experience of buying props. if duwan to listen, its ok. i dont lose anything. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 6 2014, 09:34 AM)
Noted. Oso remember bro bear labelled both town not for human livable. Oso cant forget onli jh is human livable eventhou in kajang due to ex leader living there.  tongue.gif  brows.gif

Bro bear, stimes an over bias remark ll not b too gd le. In case ex leader move to bb, jialat liao. Suddenly many followers need to change statement saying bb is livable pulak.  cool2.gif

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can you pull out the comment where i mention such a statement or not?

why wanan use dirty tactic like this? not human livable condition and very far and not affordable for own stay is 2 different things..

u ask samkps, i only mention for own stay please go on... fro flipp it will fall miserably..

seems who who bias ? by adding some comments?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 02:21 PM)
can you pull out the comment where i mention such a statement or not?

why wanan use dirty tactic like this? not human livable condition and very far and not affordable for own stay is 2 different things..

u ask samkps, i only mention for own stay please go on... fro flipp it will fall miserably..

seems who who bias ? by adding some comments?
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I'm all the while not bias la. Cool bro bear. Saturday le. nod.gif
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In DIBS, flipper still need to obtain loan to pay for progressive payment, just don't need to pay loan interest.

With 10%:90% payment upon VP, means no interest no progressive payment at all until VP, isn't it greater news for flipper?

I cannot brain how this can be called BTS, as it is already sold once 10% payment is made.

I taught this model is more "advanced" than DIBS.


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In DIBS, flipper still need to obtain loan to pay for progressive payment, just don't need to pay loan interest.

With 10%:90% payment upon VP, means no interest no progressive payment at all until VP, isn't it greater news for flipper?

I cannot brain how this can be called BTS, as it is already sold once 10% payment is made.

I taught this model is more "advanced" than DIBS.
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Bro, Bingo!! You are right. This is not bts. You must be another experienced property flipper. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 6 2014, 08:13 AM)
Not really  leh!
Because  of the massive  jam during  peak hour i too spend a lot of time & petrol on the road,  eg yesterday  it took me 1 hour 40 minutes just to travel from city centre  to my house though  is mere 12km,  unless  u r talking  about  off peak & Sunday,  with the way new project  every  couples  of months i think in 3-4 years down  the road it will be worse  than Puchong,  if u talking  about  Toll free to KL then i agreed  that's an advantage.
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Boss, why not buy a house ~ 1.2 km from KLCC instead? Perhaps you can reach home 10 minutes during peak hour? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 08:55 AM)
semenyih was never about peak hours.. jokers go work at 10 am.. claim needs less than 1 hour to reach leisure mall, then back work at before 5 pm and reach before 6 pm.. with waze report too...

this is how selective investors are... he think all units in SEH are for ppl like him.. freelance, retired, most probably property agents and etc..
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BBW, do you think all the people stay in Semenyih must work in KLCC? They cannot work in Cheras, Ampang, Seri Kembangan, Sri Petaling, Serdang etc?

By the way, my working hour is flexi. Do you think I am the only one in Semenyih will have the flexi working hour?

I ask you go to look for the occupancy rate for Pelangi Semenyih 1 & Pelangi Semenyih 2, have you done that? All those people you think working in Semenyih ah? laugh.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 02:21 PM)
can you pull out the comment where i mention such a statement or not?

why wanan use dirty tactic like this? not human livable condition and very far and not affordable for own stay is 2 different things..

u ask samkps, i only mention for own stay please go on... fro flipp it will fall miserably..

seems who who bias ? by adding some comments?
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BBW, define "flipper".

If a person vested in Semenyih and intend to hold the property for 5-8 years, do you consider he/she is flipper, investor or ???

By the way, can you tell me a project that flippers definitely won't fall miserably, as after VP most of the units definitely can be rented or sold off? brows.gif brows.gif
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I also think Semenyih will have hard to flip...... We have done a market research and decided not to buy land there......putra height better.
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Lol... May I know the credential of your market research analysis?

EcoWorld, SP Setia, MKH, Country Garden, Sime Darby, Sunway, Kueen Lai, Gallery Homes, Cheras Hong Soon all vested and started their development in Semenyih area..

Perhaps your company analysis is better than all these developers?

An article for you to read as leisure...

http://www.nanyang.com/node/647098?tid=688

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me kajang on weekend... not semenyih..
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Lol... Bro, if i put Mahkota Cheras / Sungai Long as analogue to Kajang / Semenyih, do you agree?? brows.gif brows.gif
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buying flipped properties same too.. inflated 200k .. cant get valuation.. any difference? nvm, we still prefer BTS even it is a rich pl game as claimed by you..
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BBW, you think flippers can't buy BTS property?? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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In DIBS, flipper still need to obtain loan to pay for progressive payment, just don't need to pay loan interest.

With 10%:90% payment upon VP, means no interest no progressive payment at all until VP, isn't it greater news for flipper?

I cannot brain how this can be called BTS, as it is already sold once 10% payment is made.

I taught this model is more "advanced" than DIBS.
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that is provided developers sold all units out one shot... if developers still hold units.. how you going to flip?

but 3 months before VP..

since you said it is a good news for flippers, shall we start all BTS? since it works better for flippers right?
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BBW, do you think all the people stay in Semenyih must work in KLCC? They cannot work in Cheras, Ampang, Seri Kembangan, Sri Petaling, Serdang etc?

By the way, my working hour is flexi. Do you think I am the only one in Semenyih will have the flexi working hour?

I ask you go to look for the occupancy rate for Pelangi Semenyih 1 & Pelangi Semenyih 2, have you done that? All those people you think working in Semenyih ah?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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dun come this pattern.. i just repoed pelangi semenyig tadika stawberry.. workers there staying just there...

so now, all SEH ppl are not working in KL areas?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 6 2014, 04:57 PM)
Lol... May I know the credential of your market research analysis?

EcoWorld, SP Setia, MKH, Country Garden, Sime Darby, Sunway, Kueen Lai, Gallery Homes, Cheras Hong Soon all vested and started their development in Semenyih area..

Perhaps your company analysis is better than all these developers?

An article for you to read as leisure...

http://www.nanyang.com/node/647098?tid=688
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no one can beat company analysis... that price stay there.. but the flippers research with their 200k expected profit may not work in the developers model.. get it?
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BBW, you think flippers can't buy BTS property??  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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dunno.. maybe SP setia can start BTS?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 09:57 PM)
that is provided developers sold all units out one shot... if developers still hold units.. how you going to flip?

but 3 months before VP..

since you said it is a good news for flippers, shall we start all BTS? since it works better for flippers right?
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BBW, what make you think the developers will still holding the units if they can sell it? Flipping themselves? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

Eg: Developer introduce 300 BTS houses, let say 300 flippers buy the houses by paying the first 10%, then shaking legs to wait the developer to complete the houses 2 years later, and perhaps only 2-3 months before VP, the flippers will seek the appropriate loan.

After getting the loan, then put up a price tag so called 200k extra for the subsale. Isn't this even worse than DIBS scheme on promoting flipping? doh.gif doh.gif




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no one can beat company analysis... that price stay there.. but the flippers research with their 200k expected profit may not work in the developers model.. get it?
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Developer come in to Semenyih is because becoz there are still plenty lands available with reasonable price. Furthermore, some of them building infra to reduce the time travel from Semenyih to city center. How this relates to flipping activity?
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dunno.. maybe SP setia can start BTS?
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that is provided developers sold all units out one shot... if developers still hold units.. how you going to flip?

but 3 months before VP..

since you said it is a good news for flippers, shall we start all BTS? since it works better for flippers right?
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Anyway, for your info, BTS wont happened next year for sure. 101% confirmed. But CTB will happen.
Good for 1st time home buyer like you. tongue.gif
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dunno.. maybe SP setia can start BTS?
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BBW, what make you think the developers will still holding the units if they can sell it? Flipping themselves?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

Eg: Developer introduce 300 BTS houses, let say 300 flippers buy the houses by paying the first 10%, then shaking legs to wait the developer to complete the houses 2 years later, and perhaps only 2-3 months before VP, the flippers will seek the appropriate loan.

After getting the loan, then put up a price tag so called 200k extra for the subsale. Isn't this even worse than DIBS scheme on promoting flipping?  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Told you no developer so stupid want to start BTS. Unless gomen new ruling. Jz wait for CTB la.  biggrin.gif
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whats is CTB?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Boss, why not buy a house ~ 1.2 km from KLCC instead? Perhaps you can reach home 10 minutes during peak hour?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Haizzz...after pay 10% consider sold liau la. BTS = Lepas bina baru jual?  sweat.gif
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Yalor. After pay 10% is consider bought already or not jek...brows.gif

If not yet...after bbw pay 10% DP, can I go pay 11% DP n buy over the unit bbw paid 10%?

I confuse here leh....paid DP but still not yet buy n I got to worry developer ll sell to others before I go get loan. What if got some one not need get loan n pay full cash 2-3 months before completion. Can I complain to developer if he sold my units but developer can say built then sell which he has not sold the unit to me or not??? blur blur wong can answer or not jek??? tongue.gif
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Latest term fr DDD camp : Crash Then Buy.  smile.gif
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Told you no developer so stupid want to start BTS. Unless gomen new ruling. Jz wait for CTB la.  biggrin.gif
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your peers samkps is of the view BTS is a better advantage than DIBS, can flip better and shorter period.. kind of contradictory right? if it flips better means developers must be selling better right?

why you wanna say developers are so stupid unless gov make it compulsory?
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Developer come in to Semenyih is because becoz there are still plenty lands available with reasonable price. Furthermore, some of them building infra to reduce the time travel from Semenyih to city center. How this relates to flipping activity?
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developers research package everything= 403k
flippers upon vp = trying to sell 750k above, is this included in their market research?

likewise with BTS, in 2014 they start building, 3 months before vp i.e by 2016 can sell 750k?

if that is so, BTS will favor developers and flippers more.. developers get to sell at higher price, they can flip it themselves... why wanna let flippers profit the 300k without doing anything? they bare the bigger risk like completing, constructing the unit..

of course the game is not like that, new launches now days also cant finish selling.. even with freebies discounts and etc..
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Yalor. After pay 10% is consider bought already or not jek...brows.gif

If not yet...after bbw pay 10% DP, can I go pay 11% DP n buy over the unit bbw paid 10%?

I confuse here leh....paid DP but still not yet buy n I got to worry developer ll sell to others before I go get loan. What if got some one not need get loan n pay full cash 2-3 months before completion. Can I complain to developer if he sold my units but developer can say built then sell which he has not sold the unit to me or not??? blur blur wong can answer or not jek??? tongue.gif
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by the time you sign the S&P, you pay 10% straight, the lawyers will lodge caveat on the master title.. the bank you borrowing 90% loan will also lodge charge..

you never dealt with sub sales before meh? cannot sell yet? like this ppl pay your agent 2%, you go and sell again, then upon signing S&P you pay remaining 8%, you collected 8% then sell again to other ppl.. can or not?

you never dealt with subs sales before?
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BBW, what make you think the developers will still holding the units if they can sell it? Flipping themselves?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

Eg: Developer introduce 300 BTS houses, let say 300 flippers buy the houses by paying the first 10%, then shaking legs to wait the developer to complete the houses 2 years later, and perhaps only 2-3 months before VP, the flippers will seek the appropriate loan.

After getting the loan, then put up a price tag so called 200k extra for the subsale. Isn't this even worse than DIBS scheme on promoting flipping?  doh.gif  doh.gif
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what makes you think they are not holding any units? they going to sell cheap cheap even 3 months before VP?

flippers of course can buy and claimed 3 months before vp straight away can sell, question is?

in normal buy/pay before selling situation:

developers launched in 2014, take camelia residence= 430k

so by the time it finish in 2016= flippers trying to sell 750k ( quality of camelia is better than SP setia)

at the point of purchase with rebates and etc, only bought at 430k, servicing the loans come on 2016 after vp, got good reason to increase the proeprty after going 2 years and vp right? but still not doing good... subsales rates your goodselves know

in BTS,

developers start building now 2014, no price yet coz built and sell,

3 months before vp, you pay 10% and get loan of 90%, you say will flip better?

what is the price the developers going to sell 3 months before vp? 430k? like above, selling prices 2 years before?

so 3 months after you got vp, straight away serve full interest... what makes the price up again 3 months before vp? if you say the same, i.e still got profit the expected profit of rm200k above.. why developers are jot doing BTS and need gov to force them to do?

coz flippers mentality= whether BTS or not, moment they launched still wallop all units...?

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From the various reports and write-ups since the Dep. Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib Razak announced the new 10:90 concept of house purchase and delivery we get the impression that there are a lot of confusion and misunderstanding as to what the announced 10-90 system entails. The present progressive payment system (sell then build-STB) is generally well understood due to the fact that it has been the mode of house purchase for the past few decades. The build then sell (BTS) system is where developers sell only completed houses. A few financially strong developers with developments in prime locations have adopted the complete BTS system and hence it is not a totally alien system. Housing projects that are build and marketed using the complete BTS system need not comply with the statutory standard Sale and Purchase Agreements. It is not difficult to see the vast difference though.

However, the system that was announced by the government
is not a system that is truly BTS. It is actually a midway between the present progressive payment (STB) and the complete BTS. You may call it a variant of the STB or a variant of the BTS, or 'Deferred Payment' basis, it matters little. We would prefer to term it the 10-90 concept so that it portrays a more accurate picture of what the system entails. What is important also, is to understand the mechanics of it.

In the announced 10-90 system a buyer pays a deposit of 10% and thereafter the balance of 90% will only be payable upon the due completion of the house together with the issuance of the Certificate of Fitness (for Occupation). The 10% is paid to the lawyers acting as Stakeholders and the sale is 'locked-in'. For the house buyers, it is still a purchase based on brochures and advertisement on a concept. The 10:90 system is still a "Sell first then Build" model as homes are still yet to be build or completed at the time of signing of the sale & purchase agreement. However the big difference is that if the developer for whatever reasons fails to complete the project or abandons the project, the buyers are insulated from the disastrous fallout.

Obviously, with the introduction of the 10-90 system, a new set of Standard Sales and Purchase Agreements needs to be put in place. The Legal Committee of the National House Buyers Association have put their heads together and have prepared a copy of our proposed draft Sales & Purchase Agreement to cater for the 10-90 system. We have, during a formal dialogue held with senior officials of the Ministry of Housing & Local Government, presented copies of our efforts to Yg Bhg Dato Ahmad Fuad the Ministry's Sec Gen. We term them the Schedule J & K - Sale & Purchase Agreement 10:90 concept.

To better understand the various existing sale transaction and the payment systems for the different types of purchase; the same are enumerated from this table:

Table1: Comparison on the delivery systems


Completed Properties Progressive Payment System (Sell-Then-Built) 10:90 payment System
(1). On the signing of the Sale & Purchase Agreement (SPA) Pay 10% of Purchase Price Pay 10% of Purchase Price Pay 10% of Purchase Price
(2). Waiting period for Completion of Construction & Notice of Delivery of Vacant Possession None Within 24 or 36 months or more upon Architect's Certification of Completion * Within 24 or 36 months or more upon Architect's Certification of Completion
(3). Buyer to complete payment/s 3 months from SPA Date (in normal situations) Progressive payment system (10; 10; 15; 10; 10; 10; 5; 5; 5; 12.5; 2.5; 5 in % (from first 10% payment or SPA Date) while waiting for completion of construction 90% of Purchase Price at 24 or 36 months from SPA Date depending on the regulated contract of sale
(4). Waiting period for actual occupation with Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO) None Within 14 days from Vacant Possession or longer depending on Developers' architect to procure the issuance of CFO. *Proposed Vacant Possession with CFO
(5). Waiting period for transfer of individual/strata titles Varies on whether titles have been issued at the time of signing of SPA Varies from developer to developer *Proposed Vacant Possession with issuance of titles
* Proposals made by HBA

As can be seen from the table above, the 10:90 payment system is still a contract to sell (through the signing of the SPA), build then deliver. The term "Built-then-Sell" is hence not appropriate and should not be used in its entirety, when referring to the 10:90 system as the two systems encompass substantially different characteristics.

To avoid further misconceptions and confusions, perhaps we should all refer to this recently announced concept as 10:90 system rather than confusing it as a BTS system.

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http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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U pour salt to their pets snail lah ! now their dream melted already..lol

CloudAtlas challenge u said there is no Build & Sell project in the market woh, show him the link to spice him up.. hehe
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what makes you think they are not holding any units? they going to sell cheap cheap even 3 months before VP?

flippers of course can buy and claimed 3 months before vp straight away can sell, question is?

in normal buy/pay before selling situation:

developers launched in 2014, take camelia residence= 430k

so by the time it finish in 2016= flippers trying to sell 750k ( quality of camelia is better than SP setia)

at the point of purchase with rebates and etc, only bought at 430k, servicing the loans come on 2016 after vp, got good reason to increase the proeprty after going 2 years and vp right? but still not doing good... subsales rates your goodselves know

in BTS,

developers start building now 2014, no price yet coz built and sell,

3 months before vp, you pay 10% and get loan of 90%, you say will flip better?

what is the price the developers going to sell 3 months before vp? 430k? like above, selling prices 2 years before?

so 3 months after you got vp, straight away serve full interest... what makes the price up again 3 months before vp? if you say the same, i.e still got profit the expected profit of rm200k above.. why developers are jot doing BTS and need gov to force them to do?

coz flippers mentality= whether BTS or not, moment they launched still wallop all units...?
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by the time you sign the S&P, you pay 10% straight, the lawyers will lodge caveat on the master title.. the bank you borrowing 90% loan will also lodge charge..

you never dealt with sub sales before meh? cannot sell yet? like this ppl pay your agent 2%, you go and sell again, then upon signing S&P you pay remaining 8%, you collected 8% then sell again to other ppl.. can or not?

you never dealt with subs sales before?
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BTS seem pro more for buyer/investor/flipper, what do you think developer keen to do that? Any incentive if they do so?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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BTS good for genuine buyer. Bad for flipper. Bad for developer. Good to create healthy property market. Eliminate bubble. Lesser supply. But which developer want BTS? Who can BTS? yawn.gif

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From the various reports and write-ups since the Dep. Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib Razak announced the new 10:90 concept of house purchase and delivery we get the impression that there are a lot of confusion and misunderstanding as to what the announced 10-90 system entails. The present progressive payment system (sell then build-STB) is generally well understood due to the fact that it has been the mode of house purchase for the past few decades. The build then sell (BTS) system is where developers sell only completed houses. A few financially strong developers with developments in prime locations have adopted the complete BTS system and hence it is not a totally alien system. Housing projects that are build and marketed using the complete BTS system need not comply with the statutory standard Sale and Purchase Agreements. It is not difficult to see the vast difference though.

However, the system that was announced by the government
is not a system that is truly BTS. It is actually a midway between the present progressive payment (STB) and the complete BTS. You may call it a variant of the STB or a variant of the BTS, or 'Deferred Payment' basis, it matters little. We would prefer to term it the 10-90 concept so that it portrays a more accurate picture of what the system entails. What is important also, is to understand the mechanics of it.

In the announced 10-90 system a buyer pays a deposit of 10% and thereafter the balance of 90% will only be payable upon the due completion of the house together with the issuance of the Certificate of Fitness (for Occupation). The 10% is paid to the lawyers acting as Stakeholders and the sale is 'locked-in'. For the house buyers, it is still a purchase based on brochures and advertisement on a concept. The 10:90 system is still a "Sell first then Build" model as homes are still yet to be build or completed at the time of signing of the sale & purchase agreement. However the big difference is that if the developer for whatever reasons fails to complete the project or abandons the project, the buyers are insulated from the disastrous fallout.

Obviously, with the introduction of the 10-90 system, a new set of Standard Sales and Purchase Agreements needs to be put in place. The Legal Committee of the National House Buyers Association have put their heads together and have prepared a copy of our proposed draft Sales & Purchase Agreement to cater for the 10-90 system. We have, during a formal dialogue held with senior officials of the Ministry of Housing & Local Government, presented copies of our efforts to Yg Bhg Dato Ahmad Fuad the Ministry's Sec Gen. We term them the Schedule J & K - Sale & Purchase Agreement 10:90 concept.

To better understand the various existing sale transaction and the payment systems for the different types of purchase; the same are enumerated from this table:

Table1: Comparison on the delivery systems

 
  Completed Properties  Progressive Payment System (Sell-Then-Built)  10:90 payment System
(1).  On the signing of the Sale & Purchase Agreement (SPA)  Pay 10% of Purchase Price  Pay 10% of Purchase Price  Pay 10% of Purchase Price
(2).  Waiting period for Completion of Construction & Notice of Delivery of Vacant Possession  None  Within 24 or 36 months or more upon Architect's Certification of Completion  * Within 24 or 36 months or more upon Architect's Certification of Completion
(3).  Buyer to complete payment/s  3 months from SPA Date (in normal situations)  Progressive payment system (10; 10; 15; 10; 10; 10; 5; 5; 5; 12.5; 2.5; 5 in % (from first 10% payment or SPA Date) while waiting for completion of construction  90% of Purchase Price at 24 or 36 months from SPA Date depending on the regulated contract of sale
(4).  Waiting period for actual occupation with Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO)  None  Within 14 days from Vacant Possession or longer depending on Developers' architect to procure the issuance of CFO.  *Proposed Vacant Possession with CFO
(5).  Waiting period for transfer of individual/strata titles  Varies on whether titles have been issued at the time of signing of SPA  Varies from developer to developer  *Proposed Vacant Possession with issuance of titles
* Proposals made by HBA

As can be seen from the table above, the 10:90 payment system is still a contract to sell (through the signing of the SPA), build then deliver. The term "Built-then-Sell" is hence not appropriate and should not be used in its entirety, when referring to the 10:90 system as the two systems encompass substantially different characteristics.

To avoid further misconceptions and confusions, perhaps we should all refer to this recently announced concept as 10:90 system rather than confusing it as a BTS system.

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http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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Where BTS? Where? Show me one BTS project.
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ask the news.. i didnt quote it..
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BTS seem pro more for buyer/investor/flipper, what do you think developer keen to do that? Any incentive if they do so?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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bro you got a pending question which are conflicting your fellow peers.. you said BTS is good for flippers, your peers said that no developers are stupid enough to start BTS unless compelled by gov..

just signed 1 unit of subsales, the buyers bought subang galaxy DSL 20X70, 6 years old DSL..730k..

inquire why not preferring Setia Alam & Semenyih.. tooo far.. not worth it, prefer old DSL than those..

those areas are for investment
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 6 2014, 09:57 PM)
that is provided developers sold all units out one shot... if developers still hold units.. how you going to flip?

but 3 months before VP..

since you said it is a good news for flippers, shall we start all BTS? since it works better for flippers right?
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Isn't it we are talking about that 10%:90% model? that people can still buy with 10%, which is even better as compared to DIBS.

When 10% is made and signed, it is considered sold.

The real BTS is when the property completed, only it is being sold, and receive payment 100% on the signing.

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Isn't it we are talking about that 10%:90% model? that people can still buy with 10%, which is even better as compared to DIBS.

When 10% is made and signed, it is considered sold.

The real BTS is when the property completed, only it is being sold, and receive payment 100% on the signing.
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the article above explains all above..
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For flipper

DIBS
Pay 10%, and progressive payment but no interest before VP

10%:90%
Pay 10%, no progressive payment no interest before VP

Which is better for flipper?

That's why I said 10/90 is not good to deter flipper, in fact better for them, save up progressive payment.

The good of 10/90 is reducing the risk of abandoned project that half way, whereby buyer/flipper still need to pay the progressive payment.
But nothing good to deter flipper.
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Where BTS? Where? Show me one BTS project.
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the article above explains all above..
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The article said is not a truly BTS, but the correct term is "deferred payment" model.

So this topic title is not correct at all as "build & sell".

As it is already sold first (10%) only then built

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell

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However, the system that was announced by the government is not a system that is truly BTS. It is actually a midway between the present progressive payment (STB) and the complete BTS. You may call it a variant of the STB or a variant of the BTS, or 'Deferred Payment' basis

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Cherroy, you have already make your point in post 124 then repeat in post 126, further confirm in post 128, why not use your admin edit permission change the tittle to Deferred Payment Project, Now everyone can flip...just my 2 cents worth humble opinion, don't ban me..lol

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Isn't it we are talking about that 10%:90% model? that people can still buy with 10%, which is even better as compared to DIBS.

When 10% is made and signed, it is considered sold.

The real BTS is when the property completed, only it is being sold, and receive payment 100% on the signing.
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For flipper

DIBS
Pay 10%, and progressive payment but no interest before VP

10%:90%
Pay 10%, no progressive payment no interest before VP

Which is better for flipper?

That's why I said 10/90 is not good to deter flipper, in fact better for them, save up progressive payment.

The good of 10/90 is reducing the risk of abandoned project that half way, whereby buyer/flipper still need to pay the progressive payment.
But nothing good to deter flipper.
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The article said is not a truly BTS, but the correct term is "deferred payment" model.

So this topic title is not correct at all as "build & sell".

As it is already sold first (10%) only then built

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 09:21 AM)
ask the news.. i didnt quote it..
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-1 This is 10:90. Not BTS. Still STB but flippers love it! Even better thn DIBS.
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the article above explains all above..
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-2 again this is STB. You dont understd the article and confused.
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I think i did saw one billboard near wangsa maju aeon big area where there is a BTS project, didn't read full details since it is something beyond my capability for now, landed project.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 7 2014, 09:50 AM)
Cherroy, you have already make your point in post 124 then repeat in post 126, further confirm in post 128, why not use your admin edit permission change the tittle to Deferred Payment Project, Now everyone can flip...just my 2 cents worth humble opinion, don't ban me..lol
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-4 Learn fr Pipu who got the knowledge la. The title should be STB 10:90. Good for flippers. Sadly i m not a flipper.
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-1 This is 10:90. Not BTS. Still STB but flippers love it! Even better thn DIBS.
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Conclusion is BTS is bullshit. Developer still mau cari makan. Um×× still mau cari makan. Understd? Dont confused anymore. Cheers.
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Conclusion is BTS is bullshit. Developer still mau cari makan. Um×× still mau cari makan. Understd? Dont confused anymore. Cheers.
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u can tell Sin heap lee.. they are the ones say built and sell... some developers in Semenyih also say 35 minutes to KL.. driving.. never see you so agitated...


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Why can't ddd und simple term eg. BTS
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 7 2014, 09:36 AM)
The article said is not a truly BTS, but the correct term is "deferred payment" model.

So this topic title is not correct at all as "build & sell".

As it is already sold first (10%) only then built

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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i never see admin also can troll... I didnt say it Sin heap lee says it...

enough of all this BS.. i am going to see this project.. one ting for sure Semenyih project sure bungkus

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 7 2014, 10:38 AM)
But u just echoed it n then amplified it.....never see u tell people property not going to crash despite so many uuu say it.....
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from the start till end we just merely introducing what Sin heap lee is BTS , this jokers is trying to be funny in many ways... cloud is actually very tension..

i ask him to backtrack his comments.. looks like it the same..

well enough, I will see this BTS... suppossingly not yet finish sapu lu.. since i still stand a change to see.. hmm
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 10:41 AM)
from the start till end we just merely introducing what Sin heap lee is BTS , this jokers is trying to be funny in many ways... cloud is actually very tension..

i ask him to backtrack his comments.. looks like it the same..

well enough, I will see this BTS... suppossingly not yet finish sapu lu.. since i still stand a change to see.. hmm
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They just trying their luck riding on the name of BTS to lure buyers but in fact what they are doing is actually STB.
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Sep 7 2014, 10:44 AM)
They just trying their luck riding on the name of BTS to lure buyers but in fact what they are doing is actually STB.
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let me see how many units are left... flippers don't go here.. especially low holding powers one.. with that nice price tag... even can have capital appreciation also risky.. most of flippers are with a burden with them now... those 400k, 500k invstment on hands maybe few units..

serious buyers with DP and credit anytime can buy.. and it is 2015.. completion..

this [project is so near to Palm walk 3 which will kill them off... Palm walk 3 selling 750k, subsales... new project selling starting 723k.. 2015 completion.. larger size... 3 layer security..

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i never see admin also can troll... I didnt say it Sin heap lee says it...

enough of all this BS.. i am going to see this project.. one ting for sure Semenyih project sure bungkus
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Bro BBW, is this a BBB project?
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 7 2014, 10:56 AM)
Bro BBW, is this a BBB project?
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honestly, i am not good in investment.. this launch is selling 723k.. well EM selling 600k plus.. own stay version are more possible.. flip maybe another 5 years to 10 years fetch 1 million maybe...

SEH owners... better mark your sub sales price below the mark 750k, confirm no market if t\you try to be funny selling more than that..

sumore 20X65, here 22x75 & 22 x80...
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Like that can walk to klcc lor.....save petrol n parking too
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:01 AM)
honestly, i am not good in investment.. this launch is selling 723k.. well EM selling 600k plus.. own stay version are more possible.. flip maybe another 5 years to 10 years fetch 1 million maybe...

SEH owners... better mark your sub sales price below the mark 750k, confirm no market if t\you try to be funny selling more than that..

sumore 20X65, here 22x75 & 22 x80...
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Lol... later here 723k sold out how? laugh.gif laugh.gif less than 200 acres woh, how many houses will be built? brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 10:32 AM)
i never see admin also can troll... I didnt say it Sin heap lee says it...

enough of all this BS.. i am going to see this project.. one ting for sure Semenyih project sure bungkus
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Lol... you always say semenyih project bungkus, but Pelangi Semenyih 1 and Semenyih 2 has more 80% occupancy rate... perception vs fact, why so?

Is it you also adopting the technique condamn gao gao about Semenyih property then senyap senyap buy a service apartment here, as like that big SKL? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:01 AM)
honestly, i am not good in investment.. this launch is selling 723k.. well EM selling 600k plus.. own stay version are more possible.. flip maybe another 5 years to 10 years fetch 1 million maybe...

SEH owners... better mark your sub sales price below the mark 750k, confirm no market if t\you try to be funny selling more than that..

sumore 20X65, here 22x75 & 22 x80...
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I believe in every project there will be a mix of stayers and flippers. For those flippers, wish them luck lor.

For SEH project, though land size is smaller but the price be it on psf basis or per unit basis is cheaper leh. So, don't need to hentam other project lar unless it's really so lousy.
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Where BTS? Where? Show me one BTS project.
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The most obvious which comes to mind would be Bandar Utama Developement lor...9 bukit utama
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BTS concept is developer won't open for sale any single unit until the project 100% completed, then only advertise for sale, just like see hoy chan did during old days.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 05:57 AM)
developers research package everything= 403k
flippers upon vp = trying to sell 750k above, is this included in their market research?

likewise with BTS, in 2014 they start building, 3 months before vp i.e by 2016 can sell 750k?

if that is so, BTS will favor developers and flippers more.. developers get to sell at higher price, they can flip it themselves... why wanna let flippers profit the 300k without doing anything? they bare the bigger risk like completing, constructing the unit..

of course the game is not like that, new launches now days also cant finish selling.. even with freebies discounts and etc..
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Lol, BBW seems like do know about the importance of cash flow. If a developer have cash 100 million, they may need to put all this 100 million in one project if it is BTS project. But if they have progressive payment from the buyers, they can vest this 100 million into 3-4 similar projects, no? Is this really pro the developer?

You thought developer will make rugi business? They already factor in the "risk" of BTS concept into the selling price lah.

If they use the current market price, perhaps they will launch it at around 600k, but because of the "BTS" concept, then they jack up the price to 723k loh, no?

Home buyer instead paying 60k as dp, now they need to pay 73k as downpayment instead, good? Maybe good, coz they can move in almost immediately after settling the 90%. However, because of this, they may need to pay the future price as well.

However, this would not definitely curb the flipping activity, as who said flipping cannot be done on the "subsale" project?

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QUOTE(tZZ @ Sep 7 2014, 11:54 AM)
The most obvious which comes to mind would be Bandar Utama Developement lor...9 bukit utama
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+1 Bingo.
Under See Hoy Chan.

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BTS concept is developer won't open for sale any single unit until the project 100% completed, then only advertise for sale, just like see hoy chan did during old days.
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Jz strikes my mind. If u read thru BBW posts, is this TS main intention of this thread?

This is his direct question asking bout BTS.

Built & sell is here
GOOD view residence sg Long


His indirect question or his main objective is to ask if this project a good buy? He want to know if the price ok or not. He worry overpriced. Can appreciate or not? Worth to buy or not? Good for investment or not though more for own stay. He keep saying crash and DDD. Now found sam sui property but shy to ask direct question scared betray his DDD geng.

BBW, nothing to be ashamed to buy a house and ask direct relevant question. BTS or STB not really a big concern if you can afford to buy and for own stay. And no free lunch in this world. All this marketing strategy costs has been factored in your purchase price. Developer coming with innovative new idea to attract buyers. Now market very competitive and developer struggling to get buyers who can get loan approval. For landed property and at this area, personally I feel it wont goes wrong. But have to go there and see the surrounding environment. Whether surrounded by run down houses? Kampong area? Nearby amenities? If i like the environment, I don't mind to pay slightly higher. Future capital appreciation will be better too. Jangan malu2. Buy house only mah. Later you will learn the excitement of doing renovation. Later u will feel want more and more unit end up a flipper with multi properties. Thn join UUU geng already.

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:59 AM)
Lol, BBW seems like do know about the importance of cash flow. If a developer have cash 100 million, they may need  to put all this 100 million in one project if it is BTS project. But if  they have progressive payment from the buyers, they can vest this 100 million into 3-4 similar projects, no? Is this really pro the developer?

You thought developer will make rugi business? They already factor in the "risk" of BTS concept into the selling price lah.

If they use the current market price, perhaps they will launch it at around 600k, but because of the "BTS" concept, then they jack up the price to 723k loh, no?

Home buyer instead paying 60k as dp, now they need to pay 73k as downpayment instead, good? Maybe good, coz they can move in almost immediately after settling the 90%. However, because of this, they may need to pay the future price as well.

However, this would not definitely curb the flipping activity, as who said flipping cannot be done on the "subsale" project?
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if developers do not have enough cash flow, flippers has better cash flow meh?
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This thread shld be renamed :

BBW asking GOOD view residence Sg Long a G00d buY? I want to buy.


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if developers do not have enough cash flow, flippers has better cash flow meh?
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Answer is yes. Is it hard to accept??
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 10:32 AM)
i never see admin also can troll... I didnt say it Sin heap lee says it...

enough of all this BS.. i am going to see this project.. one ting for sure Semenyih project sure bungkus
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You are the TS, topic title is created by you. Now claim admin troll. doh.gif

See the topic title "built & sell is here" and first post of the topic. smile.gif

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 03:03 PM)
Built & sell property
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Please stop any personal talk issue, here is not kopitiam talk section.

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BTS = built then sell

Bro bear is actually saying built and sell

U guy pls dun b too harsh la. Collecting 10% now n balance b4 vp is no doubt built and sell ma. Means if u start booking even without paying, dev can start putting up hoarding liao

Here in Malai ppl Alwiz shout out loud who n who r building Sthg here or there when hoarding is up

So by signing a booking form it's considered sold lo even no deposit made. Why??? Lotsa cases done b4 pre launch to insiders ma.

I agree with bro bear. Build and sell. U guys pls stop trolling with built then sell.

Sekian terima kasih.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 7 2014, 04:29 PM)
BTS = built then sell

Bro bear is actually saying built and sell

U guy pls dun b too harsh la. Collecting 10% now n balance b4 vp is no doubt built and sell ma. Means if u start booking even without paying, dev can start putting up hoarding liao

Here in Malai ppl Alwiz shout out loud who n who r building Sthg here or there when hoarding is up

So by signing a booking form it's considered sold lo even no deposit made. Why??? Lotsa cases done b4 pre launch to insiders ma.

I agree with bro bear. Build and sell. U guys pls stop trolling with built then sell.

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If my memory served me right, back then when they talk about Build & Sell is Builded until like 80% then start selling, "heard" (cannot confirm) many countries is practising such method, good to avoid abandoned project & those who need a house fast.


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All the completed units..........still unsold........an example of build & sell.......many in Mont Kiara.
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All the completed units..........still unsold........an example of build & sell.......many in Mont Kiara.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Sep 7 2014, 05:23 PM)
If my memory served me right, back then when they talk about Build & Sell is Builded until like 80% then start selling, "heard" (cannot confirm) many countries is practising such method, good to avoid abandoned project & those who need a house fast.
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This cannot avoid abandoned project but it ll avoid the buyers naik lori when project abandoned.
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BTS = build then sell - not going to happen 101% rclxms.gif
BAS = build and sell - not going to happen 1001% becoz no such term yet in the industry doh.gif
You think building BAS sekolah? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 03:03 PM)
This was the original post. No claims no arguments. The ensuing meltdown by certain posters is totally boggling.
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BTS = build then sell - not going to happen 101% rclxms.gif
BAS = build and sell - not going to happen 1001% becoz no such term  yet in the industry doh.gif
You think building BAS sekolah? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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i have look into this project.. there are 728 k many units still available.. with wood flooring is extra 10k i,.e 738k

3 types of 22x75
2 types of 22 x80

many Chinese are viewing that area... there are currently 2 phase, selling phase is phase 1..

chart sales 50% sold... concept

a) better than SEH &EM in quality and workmanship
b) size bigger than SEH & EM
c) nearer compared to SEH & EM
d)sharing same highway as those SEH& EM folks
e) try to take a look before making desicion...

have taken quite number of photos.. shall upload it..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 09:56 PM)
i have look into this project.. there are 728 k many units still available.. with wood flooring is extra 10k i,.e 738k

3 types of 22x75
2 types of 22 x80

many Chinese are viewing that area... there are currently 2 phase, selling phase is phase 1..

chart sales 50% sold... concept

a) better than SEH &EM in quality and workmanship
b) size bigger than SEH & EM
c) nearer compared to SEH & EM
d)sharing same highway as those SEH& EM folks
e) try to take a look before making desicion...

have taken quite number of photos.. shall upload it..
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BBW, just wondering EM has yet to have any show units or completed units, how do you arrive at the conclusion that this project is better in terms of quality and workmanship? Also, EM has 22x75 too and 24x75, why "size is bigger"?

Btw, I'm not saying this project is not good but just don't agree that you simply other project lor.

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BBW, just wondering EM has yet to have any show units or completed units, how do you arrive at the conclusion that this project is better in terms of quality and workmanship?
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maybe early views coz they are finished 80% units... you can take a look and comment lor..

size no need to compared , price too
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maybe early views coz they are finished 80% units... you can take a look and comment lor..

size no need to compared , price too
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Your early view is not substantiated lor...
Size, as per my edited view above, EM has 22x75 and 24x75. Price, on psf basis EM is comparable and SEH is lower.

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Your early view is not substantiated lor...
Size, as per my edited view above, EM has 22x75 and 24x75. Price, in psf basis EM is comparable and SEH is lowrr.
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oh.. location? havent finish 1 units yet one?

looks like Sin Heap Lee has more good cash foundation than SP setia/Ecoworld...

go and have a look and drop us comments... or wait you must have seen it.. how was it? ask the whole group of TKJ more importantly samkps

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oh.. location? havent finish 1 units yet one?

looks like Sin Heap Lee has more good cash foundation than SP setia/Ecoworld...

go and have a look and drop us comments... or wait you must have seen it.. how was it? ask the whole group of TKJ more importantly samkps
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SEH was just launched last year and EM this year, so what's the big deal they have not completed yet? SHL is also taking about 2 yrs to get the units complete, no? So, what are you trying to say "1 unit"?

Whether SHL has better cash foundation - I'm not able to comment as I do not have the financial statements of these companies in hands.

Location - yes perhaps this match your "near KLCC" criteria.

Again, I'm here not to hentam your project but just hope that you won't do the baseless accusations.


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 12:32 PM)
if developers do not have enough cash flow, flippers has better cash flow meh?
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BBW, not developer don't have enough cash flow, is how they manipulate the cash flow to get maximum profit.

Putting 100 million in one project hardly to generate the maximum yield, but if 100 million plus the progressive payments from the purchaser will enable to develop 3-4 similar projects that can maximize the profit, no?


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BBW, not developer don't have enough cash flow, is how they manipulate the cash flow to get maximum profit.

Putting 100 million in one project hardly to generate the maximum yield, but if 100 million plus the progressive payments from the purchaser will enable to develop 3-4 similar projects that can maximize the profit, no?
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yup maybe this is the only developer who is stupid and do not need cash rollover.. horr..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 10:36 PM)
yup maybe this is the only developer who is stupid and do not need cash rollover.. horr..
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BBW, as I say again, developer won't do rugi business, they already factor in the future price into current sale price by implementing such BTS system mah...

First phase of goodview will be VP by next year, about the same time as SEH I presume..

First phase of 22 x 75 SEH is sold around 580k if not mistaken, but now this project already selling their house at 730k... simple comparison, right?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 09:56 PM)
i have look into this project.. there are 728 k many units still available.. with wood flooring is extra 10k i,.e 738k

3 types of 22x75
2 types of 22 x80

many Chinese are viewing that area... there are currently 2 phase, selling phase is phase 1..

chart sales 50% sold... concept

a) better than SEH &EM in quality and workmanship
b) size bigger than SEH & EM
c) nearer compared to SEH & EM
d)sharing same highway as those SEH& EM folks
e) try to take a look before making desicion...

have taken quite number of photos.. shall upload it..
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BBW, I today passby the project site, 4 minutes drive from this project to EcoMajestic Satellite office woh..

Most of SEH / EM residents shall use Kajang bypass to go to KL, the exit of this project along Kajang-Semenyih bypass shall need to make a U-turn woh... no?

EM 22 x 75 also selling around 740k++, SEH 22 x 75 expected to sell at 680k onwards, why size bigger?

Do you have the materials specification for this project, are you sure the spec of this project is far more superior than cradleton unit? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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BBW, as I say again, developer won't do rugi business, they already factor in the future price into current sale price by implementing such BTS system mah...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 09:56 PM)
i have look into this project.. there are 728 k many units still available.. with wood flooring is extra 10k i,.e 738k

3 types of 22x75
2 types of 22 x80

many Chinese are viewing that area... there are currently 2 phase, selling phase is phase 1..

chart sales 50% sold... concept

a) better than SEH &EM in quality and workmanship
b) size bigger than SEH & EM
c) nearer compared to SEH & EM
d)sharing same highway as those SEH& EM folks
e) try to take a look before making desicion...

have taken quite number of photos.. shall upload it..
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BBW after blowing so much water, are you going to BBB?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 10:50 PM)
BBW, I today passby the project site, 4 minutes drive from this project to EcoMajestic Satellite office woh..

Most of SEH / EM residents shall use Kajang bypass to go to KL, the exit of this project along Kajang-Semenyih bypass shall need to make a U-turn woh... no?

EM 22 x 75 also selling around 740k++, SEH 22 x 75 expected to sell at 680k onwards, why size bigger?

Do you have the materials specification for this project, are you sure the spec of this project is far more superior than cradleton unit?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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you only passby but no go and see ah? 4 minutes only? how? EM bypasss open already meh? like this EM bypass open then 2 minutes lor? rclxms.gif

maybe they can take kajang road TTDI there... all the way then take d ramp up to sg long lor... on their way back from KL.. if exiting teh take normal route passing twin palms and the tolls to sg long or jusco cheras selatan lor

wow, now got expected figure already? 680k onwards sounds havent include some factors like yearly increment and GST hor... 750k coming very near...

maybe you tell us how sp setia quality are better than this project...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:12 PM)
you only passby but no go and see ah? 4 minutes only? how? EM bypasss open already meh? like this EM bypass open then 2 minutes lor? rclxms.gif

maybe they can take kajang road TTDI there... all the way then take d ramp up to sg long lor... on their way back from KL.. if exiting teh take normal route passing twin palms and the tolls to sg long or jusco cheras selatan lor

wow, now got expected figure already? 680k onwards sounds havent include some factors like yearly increment and GST hor... 750k coming very near...

maybe you tell us how sp setia quality are better than this project...
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BBW, I say EM satellite office, the office that we have pesta tanglung last week. 4 minutes from this project to EMSO, personal real experience, no bluff one woh...

Tell me BBW, TTDI folks need to take U-turn boh if they want go to KL? If balik KL should be no problem, coz can turn in to the Sungai Jelok lah. That's why yesterday I ask you about the access road of this project mah..

680k is the figure SA told me one, I dunno how true it is.. But I am quite sure SEH phase 1 22 x 75 only around 580k lah.. so?

Do you have material spec for this project? Perhaps we can compare it with the SEH and EM units?? brows.gif brows.gif

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Sin Heap Lee magic touch for the year 2014..

package for good view heights includes:

a) Stamp duty absorb by developers
b) legal fees absorb by developers


c) legal fees loan not included (try get discount 30%)

Property Purchase Price : RM 730,000.00
Total Legal Fees Payable : RM 5,560.00

d) loan stamp duty not included

Property Purchase Price : RM 730,000.00
Total Legal Fees Payable : RM 3,650.00

total payable amount : 5.56k + 3.65k +73k (10% deposits)= around 83k
expected completion and vp with individual titles : May 2015 (peace of mind owning a property)

source:

http://lowpartners.com/calculator.php

latest sales units left:
around 50% left with 728k and 738k


you tube video, breathtaking developments surpassing further south down projects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srUsLOPmDyQ
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:24 PM)
BBW, I say EM satellite office, the office that we have pesta tanglung last week. 4 minutes from this project to EMSO, personal real experience, no bluff one woh...

Tell me BBW, TTDI folks need to take U-turn boh if they want go to KL? If balik KL should be no problem, coz can turn in to the Sungai Jelok lah. That's why yesterday I ask you about the access road of this project mah..

680k is the figure SA told me one, I dunno how true it is.. But I am quite sure SEH phase 1 22 x 75 only around 580k lah.. so?

Do you have material spec for this project? Perhaps we can compare it with the SEH and EM units??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:24 PM)
BBW, I say EM satellite office, the office that we have pesta tanglung last week. 4 minutes from this project to EMSO, personal real experience, no bluff one woh...

Tell me BBW, TTDI folks need to take U-turn boh if they want go to KL? If balik KL should be no problem, coz can turn in to the Sungai Jelok lah. That's why yesterday I ask you about the access road of this project mah..

680k is the figure SA told me one, I dunno how true it is.. But I am quite sure SEH phase 1 22 x 75 only around 580k lah.. so?

Do you have material spec for this project? Perhaps we can compare it with the SEH and EM units??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:24 PM)
BBW, I say EM satellite office, the office that we have pesta tanglung last week. 4 minutes from this project to EMSO, personal real experience, no bluff one woh...

Tell me BBW, TTDI folks need to take U-turn boh if they want go to KL? If balik KL should be no problem, coz can turn in to the Sungai Jelok lah. That's why yesterday I ask you about the access road of this project mah..

680k is the figure SA told me one, I dunno how true it is.. But I am quite sure SEH phase 1 22 x 75 only around 580k lah.. so?

Do you have material spec for this project? Perhaps we can compare it with the SEH and EM units??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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need meh? go KL just exit from sg jelok then straight go lor.. if back from KL maybe need to U turn...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:24 PM)
BBW, I say EM satellite office, the office that we have pesta tanglung last week. 4 minutes from this project to EMSO, personal real experience, no bluff one woh...

Tell me BBW, TTDI folks need to take U-turn boh if they want go to KL? If balik KL should be no problem, coz can turn in to the Sungai Jelok lah. That's why yesterday I ask you about the access road of this project mah..

680k is the figure SA told me one, I dunno how true it is.. But I am quite sure SEH phase 1 22 x 75 only around 580k lah.. so?

Do you have material spec for this project? Perhaps we can compare it with the SEH and EM units??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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wah hami SA lai de? so conservative geh? 800k mah... bigger figure let buyers discount maa.. 680k open price ppl discount di, what is left?
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BBW, pls share the photo if you took any.
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BBW, pls share the photo if you took any.
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aiya dunno why phone photos cant upload leh.. size too big.. maybe..

u interested leh.. have a look and tell us your reviews..

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aiya dunno why phone photos cant upload leh.. size too big.. maybe..

u interested leh.. have a look and tell us your reviews..
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I think it's the size constraint. Try to take the screenshot of the photo you open - size will be reduced - this is what I normally do, a bit mafan but it works.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:35 PM)
maybe you can drop by goodview first before making further comments? since you always pasby and will passby
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BBW, just asking if you have the materials spec mah... so can see how's the quality of materials this project is using loh..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:39 PM)
need meh? go KL just exit from sg jelok then straight go lor.. if back from KL maybe need to U turn...
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sorry BBW, I means jelok impian.. There will be 2 exits of Good view heights from jelok impian, no? If they come out from here, must make u-turn to go to KL mah, no?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:41 PM)
wah hami SA lai de? so conservative geh? 800k mah... bigger figure let buyers discount maa.. 680k open price ppl discount di, what is left?
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Wah, since when you become SEH SA already? If you are SEH SA and tell me it is 800k, I will trust you, seriously.. brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:52 PM)
BBW, just asking if you have the materials spec mah... so can see how's the quality of materials this project is using loh..
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i am not good in materials, but since small i was educated to know and belkieve that red clay bricks houses are one of the best bricks... to have red bricks alone, there is no need for plastering and as such the quality of work in welding each bricks together are very important..

other elements are concept selling... but here it offer more.. space selling.. all units start from size 22X75, with extra space behind and in front both for future extension, wider roads with ability to park 2 cars inside and another 2 outside just before it reaches the tar roads...
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Speaking of the size and price, if I remember correctly SEH cluster semi D 36x78 with starting price of RM728k - will this be a better product offering purely in terms of size and product type (semi D vs terrace)?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:57 PM)
i am not good in materials, but since small i was educated to know and belkieve that red clay bricks houses are one of the best bricks... to have red bricks alone, there is no need for plastering and as such the quality of work in welding each bricks together are very important..

other elements are concept selling... but here it offer more.. space selling.. all units start from size 22X75, with extra space behind and in front both for future extension, wider roads  with ability to park 2 cars inside and another 2 outside just before it reaches the tar roads...
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May I know how much the land size behind the house? How about the tiles used for the house? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 7 2014, 11:55 PM)
BBW... apa??? You sure just exit from sg jelok and go straight to go to KL?? Go straight you will reach SEH lah...  doh.gif  doh.gif

Unless you make a round and go to Sungai long loh....  Most people from the east side of kajang perdana shall make u-turn to goto KL nia...  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Discover new meaning of developments
In Living in Wonders of mother nature yet not too south down to other states
A stylish expression luxury landed living
Lavish homes redefining the meaning of housing developments
Merged with creatively crafted natural elements with no quality compromise
A fantasy of cascading waters so serene and tranquil it relaxes and relief your mind every time you look into it
A stunning resort paradise compensating long day work out in the city
A lush maze of inspiring vistas and tranquil hide-ways
Alive wonderful for the little geniuses
Delightful water-features and luxuriant vegetation
Gleaming like a bejeweled turquoise, opals & emerald
Refinement and wholesome living in a beautifully secured signature address
Showcasing spaciously defined super link homes
Plush comfort perfectly balanced with sensational outdoors
Chic semi Detached villas
Featuring exquisite detailing and top notch finishes
Luxury has never been more inspiring and indulgent
Superbly integrated with an exclusive prescient
Meeting all your daily needs in AL- Fresco style
Express your arrival at the height of live

Sin Hup Lee redefining property developments and no property abandoned project
Goodview Heights magically touching everyone starting now..open days daily including public holidays, get in touch to nature today..

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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 8 2014, 12:06 AM)
Speaking of the size and price, if I remember correctly SEH cluster semi D 36x78 with starting price of RM728k - will this be a better product offering purely in terms of size and product type (semi D vs terrace)?
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Good point... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

As I said before, SEH phase 1 units of 22 x 75 only starting at 580k, same land size, but maybe differ in terms on buildup and material spec...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 12:13 AM)
Good point...  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

As I said before, SEH phase 1 units of 22 x 75 only starting at 580k, same land size, but maybe differ in terms on buildup and material spec...
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so fast erase your township acre already... haiya

GOODVIEW HEIGHTS is a premier billion dollar township on a 180 acre freehold on the east side of Semenyih at 14.3km from the SILK Highway driving towards Bandar Sungai Long.

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http://www.shlcb.com.my/goodview_main.html

maybe now can match..
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 12:13 AM)
Good point...  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

As I said before, SEH phase 1 units of 22 x 75 only starting at 580k, same land size, but maybe differ in terms on buildup and material spec...
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bro , saw some infor about SEH:

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http://propcafe.net/setia-ecohill-semenyih-sp-setia/
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 12:31 AM)
bro , saw some infor about SEH:

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BBW, that's the starting price for cluster semid....
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BBW, that's the starting price for cluster semid....
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Bear bear, price drop very soon, you sure wanna buy now?? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 7 2014, 11:33 PM)
Sin Heap Lee magic touch for the year 2014..

package for good view heights includes:

a) Stamp duty absorb by developers
b) legal fees absorb by developers
c) legal fees loan not included (try get discount 30%)

Property Purchase Price  : RM 730,000.00
Total Legal Fees Payable  : RM 5,560.00

d) loan stamp duty not included

Property Purchase Price  : RM 730,000.00
Total Legal Fees Payable  : RM 3,650.00

total payable amount : 5.56k + 3.65k +73k (10% deposits)= around 83k
expected completion and vp with individual titles : May 2015 (peace of mind owning a property)

source:

http://lowpartners.com/calculator.php

latest sales units left:
around 50% left with 728k and 738k
you tube video, breathtaking developments surpassing further south down projects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srUsLOPmDyQ
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Actually athg absorbed by Dev is factored into the price ma. Tot ddd oledi knew it??? Doesn't sound like magic wo. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 12:13 AM)
you seen the video or not? below:

Discover new meaning of developments
In Living in Wonders of mother nature yet not too south down to other states
A stylish expression luxury landed living
Lavish homes redefining the meaning of housing developments
Merged with creatively crafted natural elements with no quality compromise
A fantasy of cascading waters so serene and tranquil it relaxes and relief your mind every time you look into it 
A stunning resort paradise compensating long day work out in the city
A lush maze of inspiring vistas and tranquil hide-ways
Alive wonderful for the little geniuses
Delightful water-features and luxuriant vegetation
Gleaming like a bejeweled turquoise, opals & emerald
Refinement and wholesome living in a beautifully secured signature address
Showcasing spaciously defined super link homes
Plush comfort perfectly balanced with sensational outdoors
Chic semi Detached villas
Featuring exquisite detailing and top notch finishes
Luxury has never been more inspiring and indulgent
Superbly integrated with an exclusive prescient
Meeting all your daily needs in AL- Fresco style
Express your arrival at the height of live

Sin Hup Lee redefining property developments and no property abandoned project
Goodview Heights magically touching everyone starting now..open days daily including public holidays, get in touch to nature today..
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Bro bear is beta than any td&h agent. rclxms.gif
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Bear bear, price drop very soon, you sure wanna buy now?? tongue.gif
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Not sure bout resi drop soon onot. But for shops n factories, I just gotten a CHAR L DOU kinda feeling last nite after surveying some areas.

Called up agents on the spot. Some numbers belong to owners Tim. Walaueh, all sky high prices n no one seems to b willing to nego.

Those slightly cheaper wan r inner facing. Wat for paying for inner facing. Gd facing units ng sai gong Liao. U n me oso not selling lo. Sibeh susah to get subsales now. New launches not gonna b cheap oso. Haiz!!! Jialat liao. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 8 2014, 07:09 AM)
Not sure bout resi drop soon onot. But for shops n factories, I just gotten a CHAR L DOU kinda feeling last nite after surveying some areas.

Called up agents on the spot. Some numbers belong to owners Tim. Walaueh, all sky high prices n no one seems to b willing to nego.

Those slightly cheaper wan r inner facing. Wat for paying for inner facing. Gd facing units ng sai gong Liao. U n me oso not selling lo. Sibeh susah to get subsales now. New launches not gonna b cheap oso. Haiz!!! Jialat liao.  sweat.gif
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Resi price drop already, green terrain below 500k now tongue.gif
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Whao, thats not so exp with RM304psf by considering the location near to kajang??
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Anyway, Happy Tanglung Festival.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 12:13 AM)
Good point...  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

As I said before, SEH phase 1 units of 22 x 75 only starting at 580k, same land size, but maybe differ in terms on buildup and material spec...
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this good view heights is locate just beside kajang perdana area, if wan access to BDR sg long thur silk highway, need to pay tool fare, not really close to sungai long side...actually it's kajang perdana side...and BBW already mentioned kajang perdana side TTDI project is ghost township, many usbsale at 600k but nobody want o buy...but now he said that this good veiw heights at 700k plus is good buy.. sounds like he is slapping his own face:clap:

anyway, with direct link from SEH to lekas high way, from SEH to this good view height is just 11km drive in 10 minutes..

so BBW said SEH 500k plus DSL is overprice product and this good view height in just 20 min drive is super good product... whistling.gif

SEH is very close to tesco semenyih with 5 minutes drive and lots of existing shoplots nearby...but good view heights is just stane alone project in the middle of mountains....

i went to the good view heights actual side...becareful on this developer workanship you will found lots of wall crack on
the show units a.k.a actual units...
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BBW, that's the starting price for cluster semid....
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just confirm with good view heights sales agent, good view heights only come with guard house, but not gated, residence have to form community and apply to fenced up the area if they want...

so with 10 min driving distance to setia eco hill or eco majestic...with similar price to pruchase a DSL at good view heights, can get semi D at SEH or DSL at eco majestic, fully gated and guarded by developer...or much more cheaper price can get DSL at SEH with fenced and guarded set up by developer.....which one is better choce...difference ppl difference preference la.........as i know..BBW is supporter for SHL or maybe he is sales agent for SHL which i talked to at good view heights sales gallery..who knows? biggrin.gif


some pictures taken at good view heights...looks very familiar to SHL palm walk project at sungai long... icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 11:51 AM)
this good view heights is locate just beside kajang perdana area, if wan access to BDR sg long thur silk highway, need to pay tool fare, not really close to sungai long side...actually it's kajang perdana side...and BBW already mentioned kajang perdana side TTDI project is ghost township, many usbsale at 600k but nobody want o buy...but now he said that this good veiw heights at 700k plus is good buy.. sounds like he is slapping his own face:clap:

anyway, with direct link from SEH to lekas high way, from SEH to this good view height is just 11km drive in 10 minutes..

so BBW said SEH 500k plus DSL is overprice product and this good view height in just 20 min drive is super good product... whistling.gif

SEH is very close to tesco semenyih with 5 minutes drive and lots of existing shoplots nearby...but good view heights is just stane alone project in the middle of mountains....

i went to the good view heights actual side...becareful on this developer workanship  you will found lots of wall crack on
the show units a.k.a actual units...
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When he said this project is better than SEH & EM, I'm laughing, when he said SHL is better than SP setia & Eco world, I fainted smile.gif

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 11:51 AM)
this good view heights is locate just beside kajang perdana area, if wan access to BDR sg long thur silk highway, need to pay tool fare, not really close to sungai long side...actually it's kajang perdana side...and BBW already mentioned kajang perdana side TTDI project is ghost township, many usbsale at 600k but nobody want o buy...but now he said that this good veiw heights at 700k plus is good buy.. sounds like he is slapping his own face:clap:

anyway, with direct link from SEH to lekas high way, from SEH to this good view height is just 11km drive in 10 minutes..

so BBW said SEH 500k plus DSL is overprice product and this good view height in just 20 min drive is super good product... whistling.gif

SEH is very close to tesco semenyih with 5 minutes drive and lots of existing shoplots nearby...but good view heights is just stane alone project in the middle of mountains....

i went to the good view heights actual side...becareful on this developer workanship  you will found lots of wall crack on
the show units a.k.a actual units...
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Actually I am more concern on the entrance and exit. With current access, a big u-turn is required. Even when the access to jelok impian is ready, still need to make a "dangerous" u-turn in front of Kajang perdana... doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 12:03 PM)
just confirm with good view heights sales agent, good view heights only come with guard house, but not gated, residence have to form community and apply to fenced up the area if they want...

so with 10 min driving distance to setia eco hill or eco majestic...with similar price to pruchase a DSL at good view heights, can get semi D at SEH or DSL at eco majestic, fully gated and guarded by developer...or much more cheaper price can get DSL at SEH with fenced and guarded set up by developer.....which one is better choce...difference ppl difference preference la.........as i know..BBW is supporter for SHL or maybe he is sales agent for SHL which i talked to at good view heights sales gallery..who knows?  biggrin.gif
some pictures taken at good view heights...looks very familiar to SHL palm walk project at sungai long... icon_rolleyes.gif

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Thanks bro doom doom for the pictures, may i know the cascade water features and gazebo in the video is ready? What's expected maintenance fees ?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 12:37 PM)
Thanks bro doom doom for the pictures, may i know the cascade water features and gazebo in the video is ready? What's expected maintenance fees ?
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i never view the video. but on actual site do not see any water cascade, maybe still under con..

but the sales ppl mentioned to me it's individual title and non gated, only guarded...

not sure about maintenace fee, most likely depend on the residents form the community to take care by themself...

if you really interested, go ask the sales agent or maybe BBW... whistling.gif


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Actually I am more concern on the entrance and exit. With current access, a big u-turn is required. Even when the access to jelok impian is ready, still need to make a "dangerous" u-turn in front of Kajang perdana...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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if u come from KL direction, by suing SILK highway to this good view, you need to make a big U turn at the SILK/Lekas highway interchange, by the time reach this U turn and drive all the way back to good view heights, the time that take almost equal to the time back to SEH/Ecomajestic tongue.gif

if u back from KL by suing cheras highway, not need U turn, can turn in to jelok impian on left hand site and can reach good view height, but if you go to KL by uisng jelok impian to cheras highway, need make a big U turn...


so to avoid U Turn, when go to KL, can use Silk highway, then when back from KL, use the Cheras kajang highway whcih lead to jelok impian..


Actually the route to/from kl is same like SEH/Eco majestic...5-10 min drive difference only..but SEH/Ec majestic much more closer to commerical area like tesco and shoplots.....

this good view heights only plan for 2 rows of commercial shoplots and the whole township in the middle of the rock mountains...if want to go for commercial, need to pay toll fare RM1/RM1.50 to sungai long area or in most likely it's the jelok impian area there which BBW said i'ts a ghost town area where the TTDI Kajang subsales houses nobody want to buy... whistling.gif

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As long bro bear is happy, I support the buy.
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Sep 8 2014, 12:33 PM)
When he said this project is better than SEH & EM, I'm laughing, when he said SHL is better than SP setia & Eco world, I fainted smile.gif
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SHL is ranking on maybe one of the top 40 developers in malaysia... whistling.gif

dun blame BBW, mostly likely he is some agent from SHL of course hard sell a little bit la...

actually SHL is not that bad la...but look at their launch price for 22x75 DSL at 720k above...and oledy 50% sold in 1st day launch...

it makes Semi-D/DSL at SEH launch price which is 9 months ago only looks so cheap....

overall township planning, SEH and Eco majestic is much more better...they reserve huge plot of commercial plan instead of good view heights only plan 2 rows of commercial...



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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 01:50 PM)
if u come from KL direction, by suing SILK highway to this good view, you need to make a big U turn at the SILK/Lekas highway interchange, by the time reach this U turn and drive all the way back to good view heights, the time that take almost equal to the time back to SEH/Ecomajestic  tongue.gif

if u back from KL by suing cheras highway, not need U turn, can turn in to jelok impian on left hand site and can reach good view height, but if you go to KL by uisng jelok impian to cheras highway, need make a big U turn...
so to avoid U Turn, when go to KL, can use Silk highway, then when back from KL, use the Cheras kajang highway whcih lead to jelok impian..
Actually the route to/from kl is same like SEH/Eco majestic...5-10 min drive difference only..but SEH/Ec majestic much more closer to commerical area like tesco and shoplots.....

this good view heights only plan for 2 rows of commercial shoplots and the whole township  in the middle of the rock mountains...if want to go for commercial, need to pay toll fare RM1/RM1.50 to sungai long area or  in most likely it's the jelok impian area there which BBW said i'ts a ghost town area where the TTDI Kajang subsales houses nobody want to buy... whistling.gif
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Very true, go to KL using silk, back from KL using Kajang-Semenyih bypass (only after the access road is ready), very confusing... doh.gif doh.gif

SHL don't even considered to build a tunnel that enable the residents to commute in and out without the worry for U-turn? doh.gif doh.gif

Very true, that's since yesterday I keep on asking about the commecial plan for this project.. I think SHL just assume the residents of this project will just tap in the commecial area of Sungai Long.. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 01:55 PM)
SHL is ranking on maybe one of the top 40 developers in malaysia... whistling.gif

dun blame BBW, mostly likely he is some agent from SHL of course hard sell a little bit la...

actually SHL is not that bad la...but look at their launch price for 22x75 DSL at 720k above...and oledy 50% sold in 1st day launch...

it makes Semi-D/DSL at SEH launch price which is 9 months ago only looks so cheap....

overall township planning, SEH and Eco majestic is much more better...they reserve huge plot of commercial plan instead of good view heights only plan 2 rows of commercial...
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One more thing is all the residents must have car, don't think any bus or taxi will passby.. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 01:43 PM)
i never view the video. but on actual site do not see any water cascade, maybe still under con..

but the sales ppl mentioned to me it's individual title and non gated, only guarded...

not sure about maintenace fee, most likely depend on the residents form the community to take care by themself...

if you really interested, go ask the sales agent or maybe BBW... whistling.gif
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Thanks bro.. BBW only will say this project is much better than SEH/EM, but he doesn't know much about this project.. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 12:03 PM)
just confirm with good view heights sales agent, good view heights only come with guard house, but not gated, residence have to form community and apply to fenced up the area if they want...

so with 10 min driving distance to setia eco hill or eco majestic...with similar price to pruchase a DSL at good view heights, can get semi D at SEH or DSL at eco majestic, fully gated and guarded by developer...or much more cheaper price can get DSL at SEH with fenced and guarded set up by developer.....which one is better choce...difference ppl difference preference la.........as i know..BBW is supporter for SHL or maybe he is sales agent for SHL which i talked to at good view heights sales gallery..who knows?  biggrin.gif
some pictures taken at good view heights...looks very familiar to SHL palm walk project at sungai long... icon_rolleyes.gif

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A bit puzzled with the Goodview Heights project /enterance.

This is the project beside the Silk Highway from Kajang towards Sg Long right?

How many enterance / exit will they have. If I am coming from Kajang, taking SILK highway is quite convenient but what if I am coming from Sg Long, is there an alternative enterance / exit?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 02:33 PM)
Thanks bro.. BBW only will say this project is much better than SEH/EM, but he doesn't know much about this project..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Bear bear, price drop very soon, you sure wanna buy now?? tongue.gif
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A bit puzzled with the Goodview Heights project /enterance.

This is the project beside the Silk Highway from Kajang towards Sg Long right?

How many enterance / exit will they have.  If I am coming from Kajang, taking SILK highway is quite convenient but what if I am coming from Sg Long, is there an alternative enterance / exit?
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i explained oledy in previous posts, if wan know detail, refer back or can go to the website for good view heights to view on the exit and entrance route
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Sep 8 2014, 03:14 PM)
A bit puzzled with the Goodview Heights project /enterance.

This is the project beside the Silk Highway from Kajang towards Sg Long right?

How many enterance / exit will they have.  If I am coming from Kajang, taking SILK highway is quite convenient but what if I am coming from Sg Long, is there an alternative enterance / exit?
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Total will be 3 if not mistaken, 2 along Semenyih - Kajang bypass and 1 next to silk highway (which is the only entry point currently).

If you come from Sungai Long, have to take a big u-turn near kajang perdana..
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too attract more buyers / investors,
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anyway, it's not a bad project, at least not price at above 1 million for DSL..at 7++k for decent size 26++ sqf above DSL, it will sell out estimate in few weeks time.

it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic....
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anyway, it's not a bad project, at least not price at above 1 million for DSL..at 7++k for decent size 26++ sqf above DSL, it will sell out estimate in few weeks time.

it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic....
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it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic... deleted..

that is more happening without those 2 extreme southern projects...

there is high probability this good views is not for flipping...

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:29 PM)
it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic... deleted..

that is more happening without those 2 extreme southern projects...

there is high probability this good views is not for flipping...
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buy for own stay ..or for those die die also wan freehold landed but cannot afford over 1mil near to city center....
this is a very good chance.... but this project really not for flipping....think twice if u wan flip but no holding power..
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 12:03 PM)
just confirm with good view heights sales agent, good view heights only come with guard house, but not gated, residence have to form community and apply to fenced up the area if they want...

so with 10 min driving distance to setia eco hill or eco majestic...with similar price to pruchase a DSL at good view heights, can get semi D at SEH or DSL at eco majestic, fully gated and guarded by developer...or much more cheaper price can get DSL at SEH with fenced and guarded set up by developer.....which one is better choce...difference ppl difference preference la.........as i know..BBW is supporter for SHL or maybe he is sales agent for SHL which i talked to at good view heights sales gallery..who knows?  biggrin.gif
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they already fenced up just a few entry points passable by humans.. there are one community house built .. on the other side of entrance opposite the ponds..

there is a reason for this so obvious... distance and quality... the bricks alone will show the story in full.. those southern project are mass production..

so far as I am concern, SHL are developers sell... i don't take commission for it..
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One more thing is all the residents must have car, don't think any bus or taxi will passby..  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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this renegade certain class group of ppl to stay there.. mostly if they rent then no class streaming..

staying in Semenyih too ... bit far sum roe.. dunno other residents are allowed to use their bypass or not.. maybe make the bypass inside the residence so that some southern region will no use..

a proposed traffic lights junction to be opened in front good view heights with cars coming out heading to KL and turning into from Kl direction to have twice or even more time longer traffic lights duration than those traveling from southern region (coz not many staying there despite big projects)
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A bit puzzled with the Goodview Heights project /enterance.

This is the project beside the Silk Highway from Kajang towards Sg Long right?

How many enterance / exit will they have.  If I am coming from Kajang, taking SILK highway is quite convenient but what if I am coming from Sg Long, is there an alternative enterance / exit?
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just use kajang semenyih highway... all the way, then you will see sg long signboard, follow this route you will reach without the need to u turn using silk..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:34 PM)
they already fenced up just a few entry points passable by humans.. there are one community house built .. on the other side of entrance opposite the ponds..

there is a reason for this so obvious... distance and quality... the bricks alone will show the story in full.. those southern project are mass production..

so far as I am concern, SHL are developers sell... i don't take commission for it..
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the red bricks show good quality?

but did u go to see the internal actual unit at the 2nd floor there?, got very very veyr bad wall crack... tongue.gif
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just use kajang semenyih highway... all the way, then you will see sg long signboard, follow this route you will reach without the need to u turn using silk..
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hmm..but if use same highway to KL, need make U turn... tongue.gif , after u Turn then join the same traffic flow from SEH/Eco majestic to KL... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:40 PM)
this renegade certain class group of ppl to stay there.. mostly if they rent then no class streaming..

staying in Semenyih too ... bit far sum roe.. dunno other residents are allowed to use their bypass or not.. maybe make the bypass inside the residence so that some southern region will no use..

a proposed traffic lights junction to be opened in front good view heights with cars coming out heading to KL and turning into from Kl direction to have twice or even more time longer traffic lights duration than those traveling from southern region (coz not many staying there despite big projects)
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proposed traffic lights junction? propose only or oeldy get approval?

SEH oledy get approval to built direct link to lekas highway, it's in progress built it... tongue.gif
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just use kajang semenyih highway... all the way, then you will see sg long signboard, follow this route you will reach without the need to u turn using silk..
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Bro, which part of Kajang Seminyeh highway.

I live in Kajang and I have not see this sign board.


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:29 PM)
it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic... deleted..

that is more happening without those 2 extreme southern projects...

there is high probability this good views is not for flipping...
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Extremen south? 10 min drive from good view height to SEH and SEH area is call extremen south oledy? haha

anyway, from good view heights to go to the nearer tesco, might need to go to the travel 8-9 km to neasrest tesco kajang, from SEH to tesco semenyih, only 3-5min drive, 1km distance....grocery shopping very important for landed family stay, this call convenience... tongue.gif
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Bro, which part of Kajang Seminyeh highway.

I live in Kajang and I have not see this sign board.
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i think is kajang cheras highway........highway name also cannot differentiate...no wonder everyday claim to kl very jam.....maybe everyday take the wrong route...haha
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i think is kajang cheras highway........highway name also cannot differentiate...no wonder everyday claim to kl very jam.....maybe everyday take the wrong route...haha
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I am familiar with Kajang Cheras Highway @ Grand Saga and also Sg Long.

Its just that I wonder how to get to this Goodview Heights other than SILK Highway from Kajang to Sg Long.

Perhaps need to wait for the other enterance to be opened
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Sep 8 2014, 05:09 PM)
I am familiar with Kajang Cheras Highway @ Grand Saga and also Sg Long.

Its just that I wonder how to get to this Goodview Heights other than SILK Highway from Kajang to Sg Long.

Perhaps need to wait for the other enterance to be opened
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refer to this map you be clearer

http://www.shlcb.com.my/gv_map.html


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refer to this map you be clearer

http://www.shlcb.com.my/gv_map.html
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Thanks for the detailed Map to Goodview heights. Can visualize it better now.


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the red bricks show good quality?

but did u go to see the internal actual unit at the 2nd floor there?, got very very veyr bad wall crack... tongue.gif
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are you trying to say there will be no cracks in SEH & EM project even without the project in its completion?

you are picking ... the eternal built up is red bricks, if there are cracks, it is easily noticed from the outside... the southern projects are white cheap bricks.. SHL produce its own bricks in Sepang factory.. the cheap bricks are very eye soaring and rough works..that is why they cover another layer of plaster outside and paint it white in colour.. if there were cracks in the bricks no one knows, here at least if it cracks, we can see it from outside layer..

cant see that in SEH & EM right? most probably it would have been layering crack.. the cement plastering..

and for your info.. SHL were utilizing their own funds to built... we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected...

in Seh project, they go by progressive.. mostly payments are by progress, if they were at SHL pace, that would have mean alsmost 80% of the money already reach their hands... so left with 20% kind of like just get over it we have mass units around to fix..


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 05:27 PM)
are you trying to say there will be no cracks in SEH & EM project even without the project in its completion?

you are picking ... the eternal built up is red bricks, if there are cracks, it is easily noticed from the outside... the southern projects are white cheap bricks.. SHL produce its own bricks in Sepang factory.. the cheap bricks are very eye soaring and rough works..that is why they cover another layer of plaster outside and paint it white in colour.. if there were cracks in the bricks no one knows, here at least if it cracks, we can see it from outside layer..

cant see that in SEH & EM right? most probably it would have been layering crack.. the cement plastering..

and for your info.. SHL were utilizing their own funds to built... we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected...

in Seh project, they go by progressive.. mostly payments are by progress, if they were at SHL pace, that would have mean alsmost 80% of the money already reach their hands... so left with 20% kind of like just get over it we have mass units around to fix..
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BBW, warranty period normally 24 - 36 months, developer will only get the last 15 - 20% almost at the end of the defect period.

So for this project, the developer only will get the 90% after the warranty period? Are you sure? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 05:27 PM)
are you trying to say there will be no cracks in SEH & EM project even without the project in its completion?

you are picking ... the eternal built up is red bricks, if there are cracks, it is easily noticed from the outside... the southern projects are white cheap bricks.. SHL produce its own bricks in Sepang factory.. the cheap bricks are very eye soaring and rough works..that is why they cover another layer of plaster outside and paint it white in colour.. if there were cracks in the bricks no one knows, here at least if it cracks, we can see it from outside layer..

cant see that in SEH & EM right? most probably it would have been layering crack.. the cement plastering..

and for your info.. SHL were utilizing their own funds to built... we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected...

in Seh project, they go by progressive.. mostly payments are by progress, if they were at SHL pace, that would have mean alsmost 80% of the money already reach their hands... so left with 20% kind of like just get over it we have mass units around to fix..
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i am not picking...i saw wall crack in the DSL house at good view heights and many ppl also seen at good view heights...u don belive go and view urself...
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Thanks for the detailed Map to Goodview heights. Can visualize it better now.
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The two entrance points in jelok impian not sure if already opened... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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The two entrance points in jelok impian not sure if already opened...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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not yet, heard is propose, not sure get approval oledy..ask BBW...maybe he oledy make the way...lol
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not yet, heard is propose, not sure get approval oledy..ask BBW...maybe he oledy make the way...lol
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hehehe.. eventhough, they still need sharing the road with residents in jelok impian, wondering why SHL so kiam siap and not building a tunnel as like twin palm... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 05:43 PM)
BBW, warranty period normally 24 - 36 months, developer will only get the last 15 - 20% almost at the end of the defect period.

So for this project, the developer only will get the 90% after the warranty period? Are you sure?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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go and check with TKJ whether purchaser of this project are accorded the same protection as those being enjoyed by SEH? since both are under governed Housing development act
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go and check with TKJ whether purchaser of this project are accorded the same protection as those being enjoyed by SEH? since both are under governed Housing development act
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BBW, what's the warranty period for this project? 24 months? hmm.gif



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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 05:49 PM)
go and check with TKJ whether purchaser of this project are accorded the same protection as those being enjoyed by SEH? since both are under governed Housing development act
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by the way, BBW, i got unit at palm walk by SHL, got lots of wall surface crack all over the place...the developer never able resolve the problem after few times repaired, at the end i spent few thousand to get contractor to redo the wall plaster and repaint again... tongue.gif


recently i visited good view semi D Topza at sungai long and good view heights at sungai long south...seems the same wall surface crack happend ont he units...since u r no.1 supporter for SHL, please help feedback to them...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 8 2014, 05:52 PM)
BBW, what's the warranty period for this project? 12, 24, 36 months? Or they believe it is red brick so no need?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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there are being implied into it if they falls.. you concern does not seems like the coming residence of SEH/Em, more on the reduced and competition against the profits.. hor??

dun give these kind of answer.. red brick no need so.. same logic like proton engines and Toyota engines, Toyota engines no need maintenance.. see ur level integrity by making these comparison?

go and open newspaper go to the last section the sports section the bar clays standings.. look further down there you are.. Manchester United..
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 8 2014, 05:56 PM)
by the way, BBW, i got unit at palm walk by SHL, got lots of wall surface crack all over the place...the developer never able resolve the problem after few times repaired, at the end i spent few thousand to get contractor to redo the wall plaster and repaint again... tongue.gif
recently i visited good view semi D Topza at sungai long and good view heights at sungai long south...seems the same wall surface crack happend ont he units...since u r no.1 supporter for SHL, please help feedback to them...
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dude your are the owner, and the one detecting the cracks... who is more suitable to complaint me or you?
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there are being implied into it if they falls.. you concern does not seems like the coming residence of SEH/Em, more on the reduced and competition against the profits.. hor??

dun give these kind of answer.. red brick no need so.. same logic like proton engines and Toyota engines, Toyota engines no need maintenance.. see ur level integrity by making these comparison?

go and open newspaper go to the last section the sports section the bar clays standings.. look further down there you are.. Manchester United..
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Bro, just joking lah, why so serious until level of integrity.. tongue.gif tongue.gif


By the way, just check the schedule i agreement..

10% is immediate after signing the SPA, remaining 90% is 21 working days after the notification of VP by developer..

" we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected..."

wah, your concept so call "other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them" is very incorrect and misleading woh... doh.gif doh.gif

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dude your are the owner, and the one detecting the cracks... who is more suitable to complaint me or you?
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dude, read my statement, owner complained few times and the developer repaired few times still the same, so at the end need to fork up own money to repair it.

now you are promoting this good view heights and step down all other projects surrounding, so i guess u must be someone from developer SHL, so hopefully u can do some internal feedback lo...lol tongue.gif
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By the way, just check the schedule i agreement..

10% is immediate after signing the SPA, remaining 90% is 21 working days after the notification of VP by developer..

" we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected..."

wah, your concept so call "other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them" is very incorrect and misleading woh...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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as usual la BBW, treat it as fun...
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as usual la BBW, treat it as fun...
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Schedule G & H still have the last 5% on hold till the void of warranty period, but schedule i product seems don't have... even worse than schedule G & H houses.

Purchaser of this project even need to worry more about the warranty leh..

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Schedule G & H still have the last 5% on hold till the void of warranty period, but schedule i product seems don't have... even worse than schedule G & H houses.

Purchaser of this project even need to worry more about the warranty leh..
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the 1st part question i am unable to confirm.. can I know where you got the information that schedule I does not seems to not have the same protection ? latent damages there are limitation, only old properties does not have..

on the second part of question, don't be so hard on yourself... the developers is forking money out to built everything and only collect 10% from you when it is already 70% completed.. we all know the last bit of constructions are the trivial finishing, i.e maybe adding bricks, plastering, windows frames, door frames... drainage and etc (just not the foundation, piling and the main structures which is the core in construction fundamental)

they bare the burden so long till this moment, they will have better care or SEH progressive payments? like using own money first... anything goes wrong sendiri rugi coz haven't sale the SEH type are use monies which are not theirs and built... which is accords more care from developers?

izzit you are more fond on the finishing and the ecstatic values of property? Is there anything in this project (that you have yet to view, claimed as of yesterday) that is not up to the standard?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 04:29 PM)
it show the landed still in good demand and this KL southern part will become more and more happending...along the silk highway all the way to leaks highway, we got twin palms, good view heights, eco gill and eco majestic... deleted..

that is more happening without those 2 extreme southern projects...

there is high probability this good views is not for flipping...
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"Extreme southern projects"?
Aiyo talking nonsense again... doh.gif
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"Extreme southern projects"?
Aiyo talking nonsense again... doh.gif
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Bro, just joking lah, why so serious until level of integrity..  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
By the way, just check the schedule i agreement..

10% is immediate after signing the SPA, remaining 90% is 21 working days after the notification of VP by developer..

" we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected..."

wah, your concept so call "other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them" is very incorrect and misleading woh...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Pardon him la. 1st time home buyer. He got lots to learn. All his teory cannot pakai. Let bbw gone thru the whole process of buying house, thn can come back to debate. biggrin.gif

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not meh? after these 2 project where? seri pajam lor...
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You want to talk about price, I did the comparison for you. You talked about size, I did the same. You talked about quality, but simply assume other project quality lousy even though the show units not yet ready.

I talk facts but you talk nonsense doh.gif

Not meh?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 05:27 PM)
are you trying to say there will be no cracks in SEH & EM project even without the project in its completion?

you are picking ... the eternal built up is red bricks, if there are cracks, it is easily noticed from the outside... the southern projects are white cheap bricks.. SHL produce its own bricks in Sepang factory.. the cheap bricks are very eye soaring and rough works..that is why they cover another layer of plaster outside and paint it white in colour.. if there were cracks in the bricks no one knows, here at least if it cracks, we can see it from outside layer..

cant see that in SEH & EM right? most probably it would have been layering crack.. the cement plastering..

and for your info.. SHL were utilizing their own funds to built... we merely paying 10% of which is not of any important to cover the cost in whole, so if there are cracks, it would be good if you can highlight to them, it shall be rectify as the other 90% of the total amount were not yet released to them yet..that is why they would ensure a better quality in view of loans rejected...

in Seh project, they go by progressive.. mostly payments are by progress, if they were at SHL pace, that would have mean alsmost 80% of the money already reach their hands... so left with 20% kind of like just get over it we have mass units around to fix..
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the 1st part question i am unable to confirm.. can I know where you got the information that schedule I does not seems to not have the same protection ? latent damages there are limitation, only old properties does not have..

on the second part of question, don't be so hard on yourself... the developers is forking money out to built everything and only collect 10% from you when it is already 70% completed.. we all know the last bit of constructions are the trivial finishing, i.e maybe adding bricks, plastering, windows frames, door frames... drainage and etc (just not the foundation, piling and the main structures which is the core in construction fundamental)

they bare the burden so long till this moment, they will have better care or SEH progressive payments? like using own money first... anything goes wrong sendiri rugi coz haven't sale the SEH type are use monies which are not theirs and built... which is accords more care from developers?

izzit you are more fond on the finishing and the ecstatic values of property? Is there anything in this project (that you have yet to view, claimed as of yesterday) that is not up to the standard?
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BBW, nah spoon feed you again, look at third schedule for schedule g and schedule i project...

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...I/schI-2007.htm

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...G/schG-2007.htm

For schedule i projects, they will collect 90% from the purchaser wor, all the warranty of course will be claimed under standard 24 months warranty period lah... But hor, that's after developer collect 100% during VP loh.. For schedule g product, still have 5% on hold till the warranty void woh... brows.gif brows.gif

SHL won't rugi lah, you pay 10% when sign snp, pay 90% after VP. If have any problem, claim warranty, which is after they collect all 100% from the purchaser woh...

Bro doom doom already said there are cracks on the second floor of show unit (actual unit), you don't trust him ah? brows.gif

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BBW, nah spoon feed you again, look at third schedule for schedule g and schedule i project...

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...I/schI-2007.htm

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...G/schG-2007.htm

For schedule i projects, they will collect 90% from the purchaser wor, all the warranty of course will be claimed under standard 24 months warranty period lah... But hor, that's after developer collect 100% during VP loh.. For schedule g product, still have 5% on hold till the warranty void woh...  brows.gif  brows.gif

SHL won't rugi lah, you pay 10% when sign snp, pay 90% after VP. If have any problem, claim warranty, which is after they collect all 100% from the purchaser woh...

Bro doom doom already said there are cracks on the second floor of show unit (actual unit), you don't trust him ah?  brows.gif
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not meh? after these 2 project where? seri pajam lor...
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Be ta han already... he is living in his own world.
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Be ta han already... he is living in his own world.
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Chill jason gor... discuss with BBW need more patience... just treat it as chui shui session during BBQ.. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Pardon him la. 1st time home buyer. He got lots to learn. All his teory cannot pakai. Let bbw gone thru the whole process of buying house, thn can come back to debate. biggrin.gif
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Lol.. If his theory boleh pakai one, then he no more BBW liao... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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BBB?? How much for this project??
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BBB?? How much for this project??
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starts from 723k if not mistaken, 22 x 75...
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Chill jason gor... discuss with BBW need more patience... just treat it as chui shui session during BBQ..  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Very cheong hei... until hou shui dry liao also tak habis habis... sweat.gif
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BBB?? How much for this project??
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Endorsed by BBW, this is a DDMWWW project!
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Endorsed by BBW, this is a DDMWWW project!
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What iz DDMWWW?
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What iz DDMWWW?
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Now i kno why last few day bbw so emotion liao..... everywhere also kena left right center...... wacko.gif wacko.gif
Haizzz...... but what to do.... he always likes to talk his own imagination rubbish theory and sometime calculations..... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Now i kno why last few day bbw so emotion liao..... everywhere also kena left right center......  wacko.gif  wacko.gif
Haizzz...... but what to do.... he always likes to talk his own imagination rubbish theory and sometime calculations.....  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
Likes to "dig his own graveyard"..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Exposed red brick without plastering? Serious? Is that the finishing? Is the exposed red brick is normal red brick?
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Almost 100% replicate of palm walk 3.... ohmy.gif ohmy.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


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Almost 100% replicate of palm walk 3....  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Almost 100% replicate of palm walk 3....  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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BBW, nah spoon feed you again, look at third schedule for schedule g and schedule i project...

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...I/schI-2007.htm

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/housing_reg/200...G/schG-2007.htm

For schedule i projects, they will collect 90% from the purchaser wor, all the warranty of course will be claimed under standard 24 months warranty period lah... But hor, that's after developer collect 100% during VP loh.. For schedule g product, still have 5% on hold till the warranty void woh...  brows.gif  brows.gif

SHL won't rugi lah, you pay 10% when sign snp, pay 90% after VP. If have any problem, claim warranty, which is after they collect all 100% from the purchaser woh...

Bro doom doom already said there are cracks on the second floor of show unit (actual unit), you don't trust him ah?  brows.gif
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impressive... really a good research by someone else...
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impressive... really a good research by someone else...
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BBW, Palm walk 3 subsale 750k if compare to this project 723k with bigger size, which one better buy? brows.gif brows.gif
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BBW, Palm walk 3 subsale 750k if compare to this project 723k with bigger size, which one better buy?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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still location shall beats all.. and Semenyih is still a sad tale... even if you take the imaginary EM bypass assuming it is ready and how many minutes it is...it is impossible to drop a yes for semenyih project...

not me.. not many.. not majority.. few jokers dunno of what background maybe the buyers
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 11:59 PM)
still location shall beats all.. and Semenyih is still a sad tale... even if you take the imaginary EM bypass assuming it is ready and how many minutes it is...it is impossible to drop a yes for semenyih project...

not me.. not many.. not majority.. few jokers dunno of what background maybe the buyers
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Your Goodview location is no good la, no commercial, no school etc, everything need to exit to the highway.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 8 2014, 11:59 PM)
still location shall beats all.. and Semenyih is still a sad tale... even if you take the imaginary EM bypass assuming it is ready and how many minutes it is...it is impossible to drop a yes for semenyih project...

not me.. not many.. not majority.. few jokers dunno of what background maybe the buyers
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BBW, why like that? I ask you palm walk 3 compare to goodview height, you tell me Semenyih? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

Time will tell BBW, I have been working in semenyih more than 8 years, witnessing it changes even before SPS / Ecoworld landed.

I already told you many times, pelangi semenyih 1 and 2 occupancy rate more than 80%, they are not jokers. They have bought houses there even before there is such link available.

Ecohill link is a research product from SPS after many case studies on the traffic flow in Semenyih, one of the key infra SPS and EW building for the benefits of whole semenyih residents.

Look at SHL, they even not willing to build a tunnel connecting the site with silk highway, as in twin palm. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif totally out of game, no?

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Not only that, they own majority of land in Sg long, but cant do proper planning for Sg long.
Their design, workmanship etc not even better than hap Seng n pujangga Budiman
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 12:22 AM)
BBW, why like that? I ask you palm walk 3 compare to goodview height, you tell me Semenyih?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

Time will tell BBW, I have been working in semenyih more than 8 years, witnessing it changes even before SPS / Ecoworld landed.

I already told you many times, pelangi semenyih 1 and 2 occupancy rate more than 80%, they are not jokers. They have bought houses there even before there is such link available.

Ecohill link is a research product from SPS after many case studies on the traffic flow in Semenyih, one of the key infra SPS and EW building for the benefits of whole semenyih residents.

Look at SHL, they even not willing to build a tunnel connecting the site with silk highway, as in twin palm.  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif totally out of game, no?
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the tunnel dont come free , one should not derived benevolent intention by developers doing so.. they are just merely pushing product to sell..

again i stressed, Goodview heights, EM, SEH are for own stay and with their price tags developers selling.. flipping? can forget about it..

suddenly ppl claim i say semenyih is not human habitatable..

pelangi semenyih spat... Malais mix chinese areas.. few kindergardens Malais there... tesco there.. yea big deal.. i got 3-4 office boys staying there.. all same type.. got come gov officers staying there too.. know shafie apdal escort stay there too.. i know the shops are full, look what shops are they.. weight all these factor in.. bandar tasik kesuma.. hillpark also many unsold by MKH .. high violence record.. you stay 8 years got observe these or not? or they are just your peers?

pray hard this area wont transform into Shah Alam... the entry prices is achievable by many especially SEH, dun be surprise staying there are who more.. you and your group are just walloping 200k then cabut
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Just follow xe leader. Cincai shoot cincai buy then come here cincai brag.

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Sep 9 2014, 12:29 AM)
Not only that, they own majority of land in Sg long, but cant do proper planning for Sg long.
Their design, workmanship etc not even better than hap Seng n pujangga Budiman
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 12:22 AM)
BBW, why like that? I ask you palm walk 3 compare to goodview height, you tell me Semenyih?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

Time will tell BBW, I have been working in semenyih more than 8 years, witnessing it changes even before SPS / Ecoworld landed.

I already told you many times, pelangi semenyih 1 and 2 occupancy rate more than 80%, they are not jokers. They have bought houses there even before there is such link available.

Ecohill link is a research product from SPS after many case studies on the traffic flow in Semenyih, one of the key infra SPS and EW building for the benefits of whole semenyih residents.

Look at SHL, they even not willing to build a tunnel connecting the site with silk highway, as in twin palm.  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif totally out of game, no?
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your observation for 8 years and working as per your words.... what area is pelangi semenyih 1, II and bandar tasik kesuma majority with? was the price bought around 200k for a DSL?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 12:35 AM)
the tunnel dont come free , one should not derived benevolent intention by developers doing so.. they are just merely pushing product to sell..

again i stressed, Goodview heights, EM, SEH are for own stay and with their price tags developers selling.. flipping? can forget about it..

suddenly ppl claim i say semenyih is not human habitatable..

pelangi semenyih spat... Malais mix chinese areas.. few kindergardens Malais there... tesco there.. yea big deal.. i got 3-4 office boys staying there.. all same type.. got come gov officers staying there too.. know shafie apdal escort stay there too.. i know the shops are full, look what shops are they.. weight all these factor in.. bandar tasik kesuma.. hillpark also many unsold by MKH .. high violence record.. you stay 8 years got observe these or not? or they are just your peers?

pray hard this area wont transform into Shah Alam... the entry prices is achievable by many especially SEH, dun be surprise staying there are who more.. you and your group are just walloping 200k then cabut
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Don't come free, but for the sake of resident's convenience, they should build it, don't you think so?

What problem malays mix with chinese? We live in harmony woh.

It just like Kajang, why Semenyih will transform to Shah Alam?

Semenyih town area is full of chinese, you think they don't come to tesco and shops nearby buying stuffs?




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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 01:18 PM)
your observation for 8 years and working as per your words.... what area is pelangi semenyih 1, II and bandar tasik kesuma majority with? was the price bought around 200k for a DSL?
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It's mix as like Kajang, what problem with that?

In that area we even can find chinese shops selling chap fun with oink oink, what's the problem?

Pelangi Semenyih 2 starting already 300k ++, which is just 2.5 years ago..


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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:43 PM)
Don't come free, but for the sake of resident's convenience, they should build it, don't you think so?

What problem malays mix with chinese? We live in harmony woh.

It just like Kajang, why Semenyih will transform to Shah Alam?

Semenyih town area is full of chinese, you think they don't come to tesco and shops nearby buying stuffs?
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please define mix... in pelangi semenyih areas...

is this the moving force that will push the flip properties up? the another reason for sg long to prosper is mainly because of Chinese majority areas, comes with shops and etc...

how were the shops doing in Pelangi semenyih? any chance of eating Chinese food? you are their peers isn't?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:45 PM)
It's mix as like Kajang, what problem with that?

In that area we even can find chinese shops selling chap fun with oink oink, what's the problem?

Pelangi Semenyih 2 starting already 300k ++, which is just 2.5 years ago..
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history proeprty developments has shown this effect has not gone far with proeprty price.. the prime of your peers areas are shah alam, putrajaya...

this areas is mixed... just wondering the percentage...

on Semenyih town.. that is still far ahead... unless going through the jams or taking the imaginary EM bypass and go semenyih town just for it...

and you are telling those chris kor byuing spree in rows and rows SEH and EM are for own stay? oh ya property banking... confirm again with TKJ whether she is staying there...

the policies there will be very different... look at Bangi.. somewhere and something like already..

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 01:46 PM)
please define mix... in pelangi semenyih areas...

is this the moving force that will push the flip properties up? the another reason for sg long to prosper is mainly because of Chinese majority areas, comes with shops and etc...

how were the shops doing in Pelangi semenyih? any chance of eating Chinese food? you are their peers isn't?
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Why not? Semenyih no chinese meh? Pelangi Semenyih got chinese restaurant selling chup fun plus oink oink woh, apa problem? doh.gif doh.gif

You discriminating the Malaysian people into groups? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 01:48 PM)
history proeprty developments has shown this effect has not gone far with proeprty price.. the prime of your peers areas are shah alam, putrajaya...

this areas is mixed... just wondering the percentage...

on Semenyih town.. that is still far ahead... unless going through the jams or taking the imaginary EM bypass and go semenyih town just for it...
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BBW, come to tesco Semenyih weekend, sit on the main entrance, count how many malay, chinese, indian go shopping in tesco..

Then only you tell me what's the percentage of mix, okay? doh.gif doh.gif

As I said, Pelangi Semenyih shop got chinese restaurant sell chup fun with oink oink also, what problem you have? doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:48 PM)
Why not? Semenyih no chinese meh? Pelangi Semenyih got chinese restaurant selling chup fun plus oink oink woh, apa problem?  doh.gif  doh.gif

You discriminating the Malaysian people into groups?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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according to BBW theory, the area only will success and livable if majority are chinese...

so good view heights will fail badly as just beside kajang perdana which is non chinese place... rclxms.gif

he slap his own face again... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:48 PM)
Why not? Semenyih no chinese meh? Pelangi Semenyih got chinese restaurant selling chup fun plus oink oink woh, apa problem?  doh.gif  doh.gif

You discriminating the Malaysian people into groups?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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did I say NONE? you are the one saying so... I also can say Mahkota Cheras is a mix area... happy or not?

Semenyih areas will never be able to have that much of shop open like Mahkota areas... but if you say vacant shop, that is for sure more than Mahkota cheras..

seems this project are catering your peers...

the policies such as mosque, foods, stalls, and etc.. please go and quote mantin areas, they are Negeri sembilan areas...
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 9 2014, 01:52 PM)
according to BBW theory, the area only will success and livable if majority are chinese...

so good view heights will fail badly as just beside kajang perdana which is non chinese place... rclxms.gif

he slap his own face again... whistling.gif
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yes agree...

beside kajang perdana majority are samkps peers... that goodview heights is yet to be know.. remember the entry price is 728k above... i am anticipating your next question on this price issue..

be waiting ok.. if you really think in such a distance away from KL and with non Chinese majority areas really make you feel good... keep on

we can actually make area analysis of majority of samkps peers and their price..

shall we start with puncak saujana and taman rakan?

PS; sorry to others, purely business sense in property.. does not mean not than that...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 01:52 PM)
did I say NONE? you are the one saying so... I also can say Mahkota Cheras is a mix area... happy or not?

Semenyih areas will never be able to have that much of shop open like Mahkota areas... but if you say vacant shop, that is for sure more than Mahkota cheras..

seems this project are catering your peers...

the policies such as mosque, foods, stalls, and etc.. please go and quote mantin areas, they are Negeri sembilan areas...
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lol... BBW, as I said come to Semenyih Tesco during weekend, and start counting how many chinese, malay, indian come shopping, okay?

Semenyih is currently developing, I will see how it will goes later, so call "Semenyih areas will never be able to have that much of shop open like Mahkota areas"


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 01:55 PM)
yes agree...

beside kajang perdana majority are samkps peers... that goodview heights is yet to be know.. remember the entry price is 728k above... i am anticipating your next question on this price issue..

be waiting ok.. if you really think in such a distance away from KL and with non Chinese majority areas really make you feel good... keep on

we can actually make area analysis of majority of samkps peers and their price..

shall we start with puncak saujana and taman rakan?

PS; sorry to others, purely business sense in property.. does not mean not than that...
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BBW, who is my peers, tell me? You make assumption even dunno who I am, right? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Kajang many places also mix races, so Kajang won't develop as well, right?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:57 PM)
lol... BBW, as I said come to Semenyih Tesco during weekend, and start counting how many chinese, malay, indian come shopping, okay?

Semenyih is currently developing, I will see how it will goes later, so call "Semenyih areas will never be able to have that much of shop open like Mahkota areas"
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ya man, but the sub sales price quoted by your SA does not seems to be a developing township...

look at bangi avenue... look at their DSL prices, look at Zenia park and their prices...

look at Bandar pemaisuri Cheras KL, compare their price with adjacent towns

honestly, I am serious about this issue.. one of the reason of TTDI Kajang vacant.. very obvious..
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:59 PM)
BBW, who is my peers, tell me? You make assumption even dunno who I am, right?  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

Kajang many places also mix races, so Kajang won't develop as well, right?
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you are not the peers as the majority in pelangi semenyih 1 & II.. stay there and face their good hostility..

kajang for sure is a mix area... but take a good look at places which are coming up with respective price..sg chua areas, puncak saujana, sg long, seri kembangan, and etc...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 01:59 PM)
BBW, who is my peers, tell me? You make assumption even dunno who I am, right?  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

Kajang many places also mix races, so Kajang won't develop as well, right?
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That's the best part of BBW, always makes assumption out of no where shakehead.gif
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That's the best part of BBW, always makes assumption out of no where shakehead.gif
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It is pretty obvious sampks is not of the peers of a same kind as the majority of pelangi semenyih and etc...

there are reason for property to boom or able to be package and sell out at certain flipp price... take a look and research you will know...

is KTJ going to tolorate with these and the policy implemented therein? last time SP setia was my peers, now it is TKJ highest and respectable ex CJ , does he has any problem demarcating any empty lands for religious purposes? does the states can impose restrictions like that done in Bangi?

you gotta pull more of my peers in to make Semenyih happen and shops opening, other wise surely there are banks hmm ...

one of the very bad conditions... already tainted with infamous distance to southeren region (ulu place) plus this factor..

Goodview heights are priced 728k above... anticipating your next question
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bbw hav his "unique" way of assessing a project or a prop..... so far i doubt there is anyone can fully understand his "unique" way yet..... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 02:18 PM)
It is pretty obvious sampks is not of the peers of a same kind as the majority of pelangi semenyih and etc...

there are reason for property to boom or able to be package and sell out at certain flipp price... take a look and research you will know...

is KTJ going to tolorate with these and the policy implemented therein? last time SP setia was my peers, now it is TKJ highest and respectable ex CJ , does he has any problem demarcating any empty lands for religious purposes? does the states can impose restrictions like that done in Bangi?

you gotta pull more of my peers in to make Semenyih happen and shops opening, other wise surely there are banks hmm ...

one of the very bad conditions... already tainted with infamous distance to southeren region (ulu place) plus this factor..

Goodview heights are priced 728k above...  anticipating your next question
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Anticipating my next question? sweat.gif
Not a question but perhaps just want to know your views - with so many big developers eg SP Setia, EcoWorld, Mah Sing, UEM Sunrise, Sime Darby, Tropicana, MKH etc coming to the Semenyih-Kajang-Bangi corridor, don't you think it means sth?
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 9 2014, 02:57 PM)
bbw hav his "unique" way of assessing a project or a prop..... so far i doubt there is anyone can fully understand his "unique" way yet.....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
50% also tough.....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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I try to learn to understand his perspective of seeing things... but you are right, it's tough sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 9 2014, 03:05 PM)
Anticipating my next question? sweat.gif
Not a question but perhaps just want to know your views - with so many big developers eg SP Setia, EcoWorld, Mah Sing, UEM Sunrise, Sime Darby, Tropicana, MKH etc coming to the Semenyih-Kajang-Bangi corridor, don't you think it means sth?
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saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure got ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..

as for fellow appreciative man, it an accepted fact that certain populous area comes with a ceiling price... in property..

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 03:13 PM)
saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure got ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..

as for fellow appreciative man, it an accepted fact that certain populous area comes with a ceiling price... in property..

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 9 2014, 03:26 PM)
It is never wrong to study the surrounding and assessing every aspect before putting in your money......  cool2.gif  cool2.gif
However........ never lock your mind that there will not be other possibilities..... which i dare to say this has been your biggest problem....  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
Most experience investor will hav such experience before..... "see run eye".....  brows.gif  brows.gif
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saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure gt ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..
so most if not all buyers in Semenyih are water fish?! doh.gif

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..
seems that you have many sleepless night haunted by nightmare is it

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
he has no eyes see already

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 03:13 PM)
saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure got ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..

as for fellow appreciative man, it an accepted fact that certain populous area comes with a ceiling price... in property..

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
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Lol...BBW, I offline is becoz I have work to do, not because after seeing your statement lah... brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 9 2014, 03:55 PM)
saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure gt ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..
so most if not all buyers in Semenyih are water fish?! doh.gif

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..
seems that you have many sleepless night haunted by nightmare is it

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
he has no eyes see already
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rclxms.gif , be more worry over the type of population there... own stay... yup, flipping... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 02:00 PM)
ya man, but the sub sales price quoted by your SA  does not seems to be a developing township...

look at bangi avenue... look at their DSL prices, look at Zenia park and their prices...

look at Bandar pemaisuri Cheras KL, compare their price with adjacent  towns

honestly, I am serious about this issue.. one of the reason of TTDI Kajang vacant.. very obvious..
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hahaha, if TTDI is vacant, then how you think this project will be sucessful.

Technically, TTDI groove is nearer to KL compare to this project woh... brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 02:18 PM)
It is pretty obvious sampks is not of the peers of a same kind as the majority of pelangi semenyih and etc...

there are reason for property to boom or able to be package and sell out at certain flipp price... take a look and research you will know...

is KTJ going to tolorate with these and the policy implemented therein? last time SP setia was my peers, now it is TKJ highest and respectable ex CJ , does he has any problem demarcating any empty lands for religious purposes? does the states can impose restrictions like that done in Bangi?

you gotta pull more of my peers in to make Semenyih happen and shops opening, other wise surely there are banks hmm ...

one of the very bad conditions... already tainted with infamous distance to southeren region (ulu place) plus this factor..

Goodview heights are priced 728k above...  anticipating your next question
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BBW, you are taking one are out of whole district? So, from your perception, only sungai chua in Kajang will develop coz got more chinese, other area in Kajang will slow down and fade off?

Anticipating next question? what question? hmm.gif
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BBW, you are taking one are out of whole district? So, from your perception, only sungai chua in Kajang will develop coz got more chinese, other area in Kajang will slow down and fade off?

Anticipating next question? what question?  hmm.gif
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i never say developments will be not be happening in non Chinese majority areas, you understand what I am trying to say...

it is very obvious and clear most majority peers areas had bad history and example of property price shooting up to the one you expected... the one that SA quoted..

areas like Shah Alam, Puncak Saujana, Bangi, Jendram, Sepang, and etc are self explanatory of the property price appreciation... as an experience investors one is bound to know these facts..

Semenyih projects is most southern project in KV , tainted now with peers effect... you know most pelangi residents/folks are just opposite SEH & EM far inside... really hard to stretch a balance to pull Chinese to those areas... Tasik Kesuma too is made of peers...

with this, you know where the price is going... flipping is completely wiped out from the question, even with the presence of the bypass... dont Seri Pajam has one too.. big deal... so what is their population there again?

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 04:15 PM)
hahaha, if TTDI is vacant, then how you think this project will be sucessful.

Technically, TTDI groove is nearer to KL compare to this project woh...  brows.gif  brows.gif
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there is an obious reason to this aside from the price...

if you accept this, then Semenyih is gone

the entry price in good view was 728k, only be successful if Chinese are there...look at TTDI mirroring the same price, look at what happen? they target Chinese to buy...to stay..but who not staying and buying?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 04:22 PM)
BBW, you are taking one are out of whole district? So, from your perception, only sungai chua in Kajang will develop coz got more chinese, other area in Kajang will slow down and fade off?

Anticipating next question? what question?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 03:13 PM)
saw that.. cheap land selling 400k plus sure got ppl and water fish buy hoping to flip.. that is also one of the reason they dont launch it at at 600k one shot or 700k one shot..

suit your self to think Semenyih project are for chinese majority areas... try believing along this line, it keeps your dream on..

as for fellow appreciative man, it an accepted fact that certain populous area comes with a ceiling price... in property..

see samkps after seeing this straight offline.. di
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BBW, I dunno how you define waterfish in this context, and based on what rationale developed area must be chinese majority area..

Subang is chinese majority area? Bukit Jalil is chinese majority area? Sentul is chinese majority area? Seri Kembangan is chinese majority area?

Your thinking mix area will not develop is a very wrong perception and very misleading woh..




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btw.... i support "Build Then Sell"....
However, i see it can happen only in those small project.....
Moreover developer will definitely price in their cost..... So i dont see the potential of prop price slow because of that..... If the project is good, investors will still get their hand in it.....

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 04:30 PM)
i never say developments will be not be happening in non Chinese majority areas, you understand what I am trying to say...

it is very obvious and clear most majority peers areas had bad history and example of property price shooting up to the one you expected... the one that SA quoted..

areas like Shah Alam, Puncak Saujana, Bangi, Jendram, Sepang, and etc are self explanatory of the property price appreciation... as an experience investors one is bound to know these facts..

Semenyih projects is most southern project in KV , tainted now with peers effect... you know most pelangi residents/folks are just opposite SEH & EM far inside... really hard to stretch a balance to pull Chinese to those areas... Tasik Kesuma too is made of peers...

with this, you know where the price is going... flipping is completely wiped out from the question, even with the presence of the bypass... dont Seri Pajam has one too.. big deal... so what is their population there again?
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Is there any similarity between shah alam, puncak saujana to Semenyih meh?

Look at Saujana putra and saujana impian, is that area chinese majority? Even Standard charted bank also got a branch there. The property price around saujana impian and saujana putra also boom up alot loh.

Anything wrong with mix area that cause that property in this area will be much lower than the majority chinese area? doh.gif doh.gif

Semenyih is at the southern, but is fairly near to Kajang which is currenly have rapid development now. As a matter of fact, most of the development now is focus on the southern part woh, is it all southern development is fated to fail and all projects must developed within 10km from KLCC only then can only survive?

There are so many examples have proved your perception is wrong..
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 9 2014, 04:48 PM)
btw.... i support "Build Then Sell"....
However, i see it can happen only in those small project.....
Moreover developer will definitely price in their cost..... So i dont see the potential of prop price slow because of that.....
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why not? still can flip from this purchase? even it does, i dont think it is going to happen with 200k gross profit 3-4 months down the vp.. coz built and sell concept.. agree?

and please dun be ignorant like the guy above... majority Chinese populated areas are indeed a more happening and property price are higher and are flipped the most badly.. right too?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 9 2014, 04:40 PM)
BBW, I dunno how you define waterfish in this context, and based on what rationale developed area must be chinese majority area..

Subang is chinese majority area? Bukit Jalil is chinese majority area? Sentul is chinese majority area? Seri Kembangan is chinese majority area?

Your thinking mix area will not develop is a very wrong perception and very misleading woh..
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how many times i need to repeat... i did not say it will not develop.. just that not as good as those Chinese areas.. you cant take the mature areas especially heart of KL to compare.. those are middle income and mix of poor.. Semenyih is an outskirt project with self evidence and fact of high majority of peers in surrounding areas save for semenyih town and sunway semenyih.. places like Tasik Kesuma, Pelangi semenyih 1& 2, Seri Pajam and etc.. are majority polulas... even you say the price were pull up by these high developers projects, they need to attract my peers to come in to make the shops running and going..

take a look at Kota warisan sepang... happening or not? house occupied or not? Bandar baru salak tinggi? Jendram? look at Dengkil.. mix area.. just take 5 to 10 kilo meter away from Sepang, i.e Nilai a different world together why??

and I think you understand where I am heading to ...
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 9 2014, 04:48 PM)
btw.... i support "Build Then Sell"....
However, i see it can happen only in those small project.....
Moreover developer will definitely price in their cost..... So i dont see the potential of prop price slow because of that..... If the project is good, investors will still get their hand in it.....
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no to say I am die hard fans for SHL... they are developing 180acre.. consider small too, yes if compare to SP and Mah sing and UM land... so far all of them trying to use cheap land and convert to large profits.. SP setia-semenyih
eco world too... Mah sing rawang & bangi / friendly and southly KL..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 04:58 PM)
how many times i need to repeat... i did not say it will not develop.. just that not as good as those Chinese areas.. you cant take the mature areas especially heart of KL to compare.. those are middle income and mix of poor.. Semenyih is an outskirt project with self evidence and fact of high majority of peers in surrounding areas save for semenyih town and sunway semenyih.. places like Tasik Kesuma, Pelangi semenyih 1& 2, Seri Pajam and etc.. are majority polulas... even you say the price were pull up by these high developers projects, they need to attract my peers to come in to make the shops running and going..

take a look at Kota warisan sepang... happening or not? house occupied or not? Bandar baru salak tinggi? Jendram? look at Dengkil.. mix area..  just take 5 to 10 kilo meter away from Sepang, i.e Nilai a different world together why??

and  I think you understand where I am heading to ...
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So, from your perception, chinese majority area, price increase 100%, mix area, price increase 50%, right?

Now tell me whether saujana putra and saujana impian is chinese majority area or mix area? How's their occupancy and property appreciation? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 05:01 PM)
no to say I am die hard fans for SHL... they are developing 180acre.. consider small too, yes if compare to SP and Mah sing and UM land... so far all of them trying to use cheap land and convert to large profits.. SP setia-semenyih
eco world too... Mah sing rawang & bangi / friendly and southly KL..
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Are you sure SHL not using cheap land to make big profits? How much they bought this land? Any data? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 05:01 PM)
no to say I am die hard fans for SHL... they are developing 180acre.. consider small too, yes if compare to SP and Mah sing and UM land... so far all of them trying to use cheap land and convert to large profits.. SP setia-semenyih
eco world too... Mah sing rawang & bangi / friendly and southly KL..
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Dont be so emotion..... tongue.gif
Since u see the project soooooo good.... fast hand fast leg go grab 1 or 2 la..... dont talk so much...... tongue.gif
Or u need ppl to support your decision is it? tongue.gif
okok..... Your assessment is perfect!
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Property prices are a function of demand and supply.

Where there is excess demand and with limited supply, prices will increase.

Places that are Chinese centric attract a lot of demand (and speculation) for their own reasons, hence the steeper capital appreciation.

But not everyone enjoys living in such JAM areas such as BPP, Kuchai Lama, etc.

The reverse will hold true, with limited demand and excess supply, prices will Fall. - Bukit Tak Untung and even some places in Puchong developed by Talam.


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So, from your perception, chinese majority area, price increase 100%, mix area, price increase 50%, right?

Now tell me whether saujana putra and saujana impian is chinese majority area or mix area? How's their occupancy and property appreciation?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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tell us.. don't beat around the bush... many time i said already, another speculation of your own... i cant pint point the percentage as your crystal ball did.. i upgrade first..

generally, this is an accepted
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So Bearbear u look good on this project issit?
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So Bearbear u look good on this project issit?
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May I remind that this topic is about BTS or B&S, not about which property is good and bad.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 9 2014, 05:50 PM)
tell us.. don't beat around the bush... many time i said already, another speculation of your own... i cant pint point the percentage as your crystal ball did.. i upgrade first..

generally, this is an accepted
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BBW, I am not beat around the bush. Those figure just for illustrative (not real one lah) to show that's your perception, chinese majority area will have better appreciation while mix area shall have less capital appreciation mah, no?

On this basis, I am asking you about the Saujana putra and Saujana Impian area, is this chinese majority area and how's the property appreciation in this area? brows.gif brows.gif
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Most questions related to BTS already been answered by the moderator. Bbw, anymore question? Any how, i still firm on my stand that this project does not comply to real BTS scheme. Jz another marketing strategy. Now developer cari makan susah. 40% loan rejection. Hard to get buyer.
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 9 2014, 09:06 PM)
Most questions related to BTS already been answered by the moderator. Bbw, anymore question? Any how, i still firm on my stand that this project does not comply to real BTS scheme. Jz another marketing strategy. Now developer cari makan susah. 40% loan rejection. Hard to get buyer.
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Strictly speaking, as the name implied, BTS should have get the property built then only sell it upon completion of the property. But Bolehland does consider property under construction as BTS so long as it complies with schedule I or J as governed under the HDA. Just wondering is this model unique in Malaysia or common in overseas too... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Sep 9 2014, 09:35 PM)
Strictly speaking,  as the name implied, BTS should have get the property built then only sell it upon completion of the property.  But Bolehland does consider property under construction as BTS so long as it complies with schedule I or J as governed under the HDA.  Just wondering is this model unique in Malaysia or common in overseas too... hmm.gif
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BTS not implemented in malaysia yet. Oversea i m not sure. Bolehland "plan" to implement BTS next year. But most developer financially not ready. 100% wont be implemented next year. Main intention to eliminate abandon project. If implemented, many ah pig ah dog developer hav to ta pau coz dont hav the financial capability to BTS. Good to eliminate this ah pig ah dog small developer. Quality wise will be better. You buy what you see. This sg long project not pure BTS. I can termed it as defer payment scheme. You pay 10%, you sign SPA, its SOLD. But subsequent payment deferred until completion. Pure BTS, developer complete the project, start to sell. You sign SPA, SOLD and straight move in. My 2rupiah.
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 9 2014, 10:16 PM)
BTS not implemented in malaysia yet. Oversea i m not sure.  Bolehland "plan" to implement BTS next year. But most developer financially not ready. 100% wont be implemented next year. Main intention to eliminate abandon project. If implemented, many ah pig ah dog developer hav to ta pau coz dont hav the financial capability to BTS. Good to eliminate this ah pig ah dog small developer. Quality wise will be better. You buy what you see. This sg long project not pure BTS. I can termed it as defer payment scheme. You pay 10%, you sign SPA, its SOLD.  But subsequent payment deferred until completion. Pure BTS, developer complete the project, start to sell. You sign SPA, SOLD and straight move in. My 2rupiah.
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Correct, the BTS under schedule I and J is the 10%/90% model. I share the same view that forced full implementation of BTS, be it 10/90 or the "real" BTS model by 2015 is rather impossible. But some (very small number) of developers do practice BTS and from buyers point of view this is sth positive to eliminate the risk of property overhang.
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Bear bear, this project no good la, if I were u, i will choose SEH or EM for sure
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Correct, the BTS under schedule I and J is the 10%/90% model.  I share the same view that forced full implementation of BTS, be it 10/90 or the "real" BTS model by 2015 is rather impossible.  But some (very small number) of developers do practice BTS and from buyers point of view this is sth positive to eliminate the risk of property overhang.
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As I say many times, developer won't do rugi business...

Be it BTS or BnS, they will factored in the cost for risk, inflation, cost of cash flow leverage, etc..

While purchaser enjoy the "buy as it is" feature, be prepared to fork out more cash money for the entry.

Developer will have the absolute say on the entry price and bubble risk is less, as these developers shall have strong holding power even though economy slightly turn down.

Ultimately, number of property projects slow down, as developer can't spare too much cash for too many projects at the same time. Requirement push the property price continue to hike, as supply is less than demand...

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BTS will make developer suffer a bit in terms of cash flow.
As for buyer, it is a good news.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 7 2014, 09:33 AM)
For flipper

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Pay 10%, and progressive payment but no interest before VP

10%:90%
Pay 10%, no progressive payment no interest before VP

Which is better for flipper?

That's why I said 10/90 is not good to deter flipper, in fact better for them, save up progressive payment.

The good of 10/90 is reducing the risk of abandoned project that half way, whereby buyer/flipper still need to pay the progressive payment.
But nothing good to deter flipper.
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for 10%:90%, you pay 10% on booking, the property is considered SOLD, however the catch is that you have not BOUGHT the property, as it does not belong to you yet. Therefore you cannot sell the unit before completion (flip).

What i'm not sure is the remaining 90%. i.e if you sign the S&P when property is almost completed, you have 3 months after S&P for the remaining 90% completion, therefore you need a loan on the property. question is, what if the property is delayed and you cannot take your keys in the 3 months after signing S&P? do you still have to settle the 90%?
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 9 2014, 09:06 PM)
Most questions related to BTS already been answered by the moderator. Bbw, anymore question? Any how, i still firm on my stand that this project does not comply to real BTS scheme. Jz another marketing strategy. Now developer cari makan susah. 40% loan rejection. Hard to get buyer.
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they bore the risk and use their money first... it like 70% to 80% own money.... credit must be given to this..

on flipping... better stay away from this.. too short a time to promise a 200k flip

yup, if developers are having hard time and need to think like this... subsales will be really interesting isn't...
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As I say many times, developer won't do rugi business...

Be it BTS or BnS, they will factored in the cost for risk, inflation, cost of cash flow leverage, etc..

While purchaser enjoy the "buy as it is" feature, be prepared to fork out more cash money for the entry.


Developer will have the absolute say on the entry price and bubble risk is less, as these developers shall have strong holding power even though economy slightly turn down.

Ultimately, number of property projects slow down, as developer can't spare too much cash for too many projects at the same time. Requirement push the property price continue to hike, as supply is less than demand...

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of course we know... but buying flipped propertiesa re the same too, most of the time flipp price are higher.. and cannot get valuation.. if project like your southern one... Malays manyak... how to pull ppl to stay? the high price?
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 10 2014, 09:48 AM)
for 10%:90%, you pay 10% on booking, the property is considered SOLD, however the catch is that you have not BOUGHT the property, as it does not belong to you yet. Therefore you cannot sell the unit before completion (flip).

What i'm not sure is the remaining 90%. i.e if you sign the S&P when property is almost completed, you have 3 months after S&P for the remaining 90% completion, therefore you need a loan on the property. question is, what if the property is delayed and you cannot take your keys in the 3 months after signing S&P? do you still have to settle the 90%?
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u need to get CCC before bank release loans... banks are protecting their interest too... cant be simply releasing loans .. even it does, it is released it to the developers lawyers as stakeholder.. if they really cannot complete, the stakeholder should take inter pleader proceedings and let court decide to release or not.. or gradual release.. this is what i think it will be..

bear in mind 1 thing.. the above model of BTS, is wherein developers has fork out money for the biggest piece of cake.. most of them are 70% completed with own money and your 10% (which is not enough even to cover the piling cost)... they will be more careful than you as their money is in... and only holding your 10%...

why wanna screw up when the last 30% were more to finishing of the house, the structural , piling, and etc had been completed..

this is still under Housing developers act schedule I...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 10 2014, 09:56 AM)
of course we know... but buying flipped propertiesa re the same too, most of the time flipp price are higher.. and cannot get valuation.. if project like your southern one... Malays manyak... how to pull ppl to stay? the high price?
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Bro, nowadays MALAYSIANS stay together in communities liao la. For most people they only care if their area have many PH cos they are known to cause trouble with their lifestyle.
I bet the MMOTV guys are glad they didnt get you to participate in their video...
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QUOTE(torres09 @ Sep 10 2014, 10:07 AM)
Bro, nowadays MALAYSIANS stay together in communities liao la. For most people they only care if their area have many PH cos they are known to cause trouble with their lifestyle.
I bet the MMOTV guys are glad they didnt get you to participate in their video...
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maybe it is considence to have certain areas highly populated with one kind, and the other with one kind... it is still there bro..

i think it is the gov and policy like bangi and shaha alam

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so for BTS project normally there won't be any discount? at all?
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so for BTS project normally there won't be any discount? at all?
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 10 2014, 09:48 AM)
for 10%:90%, you pay 10% on booking, the property is considered SOLD, however the catch is that you have not BOUGHT the property, as it does not belong to you yet. Therefore you cannot sell the unit before completion (flip).

What i'm not sure is the remaining 90%. i.e if you sign the S&P when property is almost completed, you have 3 months after S&P for the remaining 90% completion, therefore you need a loan on the property. question is, what if the property is delayed and you cannot take your keys in the 3 months after signing S&P? do you still have to settle the 90%?
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After pay 10% still not BOUGHT? Sure boh? yawn.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 10 2014, 10:06 AM)
u need to get CCC before bank release loans... banks are protecting their interest too... cant be simply releasing loans .. even it does, it is released it to the developers lawyers as stakeholder.. if they really cannot complete, the stakeholder should take inter pleader proceedings and let court decide to release or not.. or gradual release.. this is what i think it will be..

bear in mind 1 thing.. the above model of BTS, is wherein developers has fork out money for the biggest piece of cake.. most of them are 70% completed with own money and your 10% (which is not enough even to cover the piling cost)... they will be more careful than you as their money is in... and only holding your 10%...

why wanna screw up when the last 30% were more to finishing of the house, the structural , piling, and etc had been completed..

this is still under Housing developers act schedule I...
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Bear bear, this project no good la, if I were u, i will choose SEH or EM for sure
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So far.. only one BTS I encounter...none yet
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After pay 10% still not BOUGHT? Sure boh?  yawn.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 10 2014, 09:56 AM)
of course we know... but buying flipped propertiesa re the same too, most of the time flipp price are higher.. and cannot get valuation.. if project like your southern one... Malays manyak... how to pull ppl to stay? the high price?
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BBW, if a project have 30% are genuine buyer for own stay, would this fair for them? Why these 30% of people need to fork out more money (being penalized) becoz of the flippers?

You always say Semenyih Malays manyak, but I ask you one question so many times you also try to skip. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
Quote what you said before - "don't hit around the bushes" tongue.gif tongue.gif

How is the population distribution in prima saujana and Saujana Impian? How's the property appreciation in this area? brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 10 2014, 09:48 AM)
for 10%:90%, you pay 10% on booking, the property is considered SOLD, however the catch is that you have not BOUGHT the property, as it does not belong to you yet. Therefore you cannot sell the unit before completion (flip).

What i'm not sure is the remaining 90%. i.e if you sign the S&P when property is almost completed, you have 3 months after S&P for the remaining 90% completion, therefore you need a loan on the property. question is, what if the property is delayed and you cannot take your keys in the 3 months after signing S&P? do you still have to settle the 90%?
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If the developer can't complete on time and produce the CF for VP, the bank won't discharge the 90% to the developer, and LAD shall be imposed.

That's the protection for buyers under the BTS or BnS scheme.
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After the SPA signed, the names can be simply changed during the construction period? As I know, they are some developers don't allow it. Even the names for booking also can't change, only can add names.




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BBW, if a project have 30% are genuine buyer for own stay, would this fair for them? Why these 30% of people need to fork out more money (being penalized) becoz of the flippers?

You always say Semenyih Malays manyak, but I ask you one question so many times you also try to skip. doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
Quote what you said before - "don't hit around the bushes"  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

How is the population distribution in prima saujana and Saujana Impian? How's the property appreciation in this area?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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your favourite term mixed...more of Malay at least more than 50%, price there appreciate don't seem to be higher, there are examples of price being higher, like TTDI, ended up vacant..

you are trying to use mixed analogy to salvage the Semenyih project? dude, Semenyih irregardless you wanna claim is mere 15 minutes or less still it is the one of the most southern project in KV.. thank you

you have alwayls claimed 15 minutes for you is not that far with tolls yada yada... try it potential buyers.. minute they heard semenyih.. oh that far and run down.. you may amend the run down problem, if there are ppl staying (enought to being the prosper effect) no literally no one staying that is BS.. and intelligence insulting..
still the distance problem can never be amended..

you are just used to stay in Semenyih... and alwayls travel on non peak hours.. it is going to be so restrictive the potential buyers... used to ulu place.. used to non chinese foods, used to non facilities, used to have flexible time, and must be of certain old age...

concept wise trying to fish young buyers to stay(new concept and design), middle income buyers (selling at 400k plus) but fail on distance and fail on flipping price (cannot be digested), young ppl or buyers prefer modern, nearer to city and etc.. the modern concept by SEH are now everywhere Melacca, Negeri sembilan and etc..
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After the SPA signed, the names can be simply changed during the construction period? As I know, they are some developers don't allow it. Even the names for booking also can't change, only can add names.
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correct. however under 10:90, the SPA is only signed near to property completion. Which means even if you place the booking 2 years before completion, your SPA is only signed 2-3 months before completion, which means you cannot flip the property before it is completed, as the property is technically not yours yet. you have only placed a booking on it.
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 10 2014, 03:22 PM)
correct. however under 10:90, the SPA is only signed near to property completion. Which means even if you place the booking 2 years before completion, your SPA is only signed 2-3 months before completion, which means you cannot flip the property before it is completed, as the property is technically not yours yet. you have only placed a booking on it.
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Are you sure the SPA signing only 2 - 3 months before the completion? hmm.gif hmm.gif

I presume the buyer should pay 10% during the SPA signing and then wait within 24 - 36 months until project completion?

Perhaps can read about the 10:90 system here.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell

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Are you sure the SPA signing only 2 - 3 months before the completion?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

I presume the buyer should pay 10% during the SPA signing and then wait within 24 - 36 months until project completion?

Perhaps can read about the 10:90 system here.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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depends on developer. the one i'm dealing now only sign spa during launch which is done when property is already 80+% completed.
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correct. however under 10:90, the SPA is only signed near to property completion. Which means even if you place the booking 2 years before completion, your SPA is only signed 2-3 months before completion, which means you cannot flip the property before it is completed, as the property is technically not yours yet. you have only placed a booking on it.
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depends on developer. the one i'm dealing now only sign spa during launch which is done when property is already 80+% completed.
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 10 2014, 04:42 PM)
Are you sure the SPA signing only 2 - 3 months before the completion?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

I presume the buyer should pay 10% during the SPA signing and then wait within 24 - 36 months until project completion?

Perhaps can read about the 10:90 system here.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/news/668/what-...build-then-sell
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for 10%:90%, you pay 10% on booking, the property is considered SOLD, however the catch is that you have not BOUGHT the property, as it does not belong to you yet. Therefore you cannot sell the unit before completion (flip).

What i'm not sure is the remaining 90%. i.e if you sign the S&P when property is almost completed, you have 3 months after S&P for the remaining 90% completion, therefore you need a loan on the property. question is, what if the property is delayed and you cannot take your keys in the 3 months after signing S&P? do you still have to settle the 90%?
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U creating anothr hybrid. 10% booking is not same as 10% DP for SNP. If need to pay 10% for booking only and no SNP, i lari kuat 2. Developer also dumb dumb if dont want you to sign SNP. Btw, whr you got this hybrib? Show us the link. I m still learning fr u.
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guys back to the topic, i went to new launch on sunday. after some consideration goodview seems like a good ownstay...did anyone went to their sales office today? still got any unit left?
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U creating anothr hybrid. 10% booking is not same as 10% DP for SNP. If need to pay 10% for booking only and no SNP, i lari kuat 2. Developer also dumb dumb if dont want you to sign SNP. Btw, whr you got this hybrib? Show us the link. I m still learning fr u.
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my mistake in explaining. the booking fee (earnest deposit) is is a lower amount paid to secure the unit. It goes in to the 10% DP which is meant to be paid when signing S&P. As for S&P signing it will be near to completion date. and since it is BTS ( actually 10:90), they usually do not allow you to place any bookings until a certain completion %.
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guys back to the topic, i went to new launch on sunday. after some consideration goodview seems like a good ownstay...did anyone went to their sales office today? still got any unit left?
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I went this afternoon. The location is much much better compare rinching ( sp setia) or beranang ( ecomajestic_)


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about this 10:90

caould it be the 10% is just like the option sales.

whereby the money is keep by stakeholder ( lawyer)

when the spa signed( normal case). ( eg for 10:90 progress 80%). The money with interest lawyer transfer to developer?

the news about 10:90, got mentioned stakeholder.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 5 2014, 10:54 PM)
i think u have a great misapprehension of distance and fact.. go on and take a drive to goodview residence from Utar sg Long/clubhouse sg long or even admiral park and capa residency.. it is merely less than 5 minutes only
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sp setia is rinching

eco majestic is beranang.

which is further from semenyih town. rclxm9.gif
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depends on developer. the one i'm dealing now only sign spa during launch which is done when property is already 80+% completed.
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I think this is a vague area.

Do you happen to pay any deposit when the construction starts and do you aware the sale price when construction just started? hmm.gif hmm.gif




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QUOTE(tikaram @ Sep 11 2014, 12:44 AM)
BearBearWong.

sp setia is rinching

eco majestic is beranang.

which is further from semenyih town. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Sep 11 2014, 12:30 AM)
I went this afternoon. The location is much much better compare rinching ( sp setia) or beranang ( ecomajestic_)
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yeah yeah, much better than kampung sri tanjung (country garden) as well... whistling.gif whistling.gif

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yeah yeah, much better than kampung sri tanjung (country garden) as well...  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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correct, sg long location  it is much better than country garden.  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 10 2014, 02:08 PM)
your favourite term mixed...more of Malay at least more than 50%, price there appreciate don't seem to be higher, there are examples of price being higher, like TTDI, ended up vacant..

you are trying to use mixed analogy to salvage the Semenyih project? dude, Semenyih irregardless you wanna claim is mere 15 minutes or less still it is the one of the most southern project in KV.. thank you

you have alwayls claimed 15 minutes for you is not that far with tolls yada yada... try it potential buyers.. minute they heard semenyih.. oh that far and run down.. you may amend the run down problem, if there are ppl staying (enought to being the prosper effect) no literally no one staying that is BS.. and intelligence insulting..
still the distance problem can never be amended..

you are just used to stay in Semenyih... and alwayls travel on non peak hours.. it is going to be so restrictive the potential buyers... used to ulu place.. used to non chinese foods, used to non facilities, used to have flexible time, and must be of certain old age...

concept wise trying to fish young buyers to stay(new concept and design), middle income buyers (selling at 400k plus) but fail on distance and fail on flipping price (cannot be digested), young ppl or buyers prefer modern, nearer to city and etc.. the modern concept by SEH are now everywhere Melacca, Negeri sembilan and etc..
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Lol, good ah, mixed population and price raise up more than 50% and more than 70% occupancy rate woh.. Not bad right, for a "mixed" area? brows.gif brows.gif

As I say many times already, for me i don't think Semenyih is really that far, and if it is really that far, then Semenyih will be continue as ghost town until today, but the reality is there are more and more people move into Semenyih and the jam along Jalan Semenyih become more serious now.

This proves that not everyone is so "scare of distance" that panic about.. There are so many people staying in pelangi Semenyih 1 & 2, bandar Tasik Kesuma, Sunway Semenyih, taman-taman near kampung baru semenyih that most of them are working in KL and the vicinity woh.

Everyone have their own taste mah, you thought in KV only have people like to stay in shoe box that near to town center meh? There are sure got groups of people that like to stay in landed house with decent township features that a little further away from city center mah. By using about the same amount of money, they can justify themselves what kind of houses they want to stay mah.

You don't like doesn't mean everyone will follow you don't like too, no? brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 10 2014, 11:56 PM)
my mistake in explaining. the booking fee (earnest deposit) is is a lower amount paid to secure the unit. It goes in to the 10% DP which is meant to be paid when signing S&P. As for S&P signing it will be near to completion date. and since it is BTS ( actually 10:90), they usually do not allow you to place any bookings until a certain completion %.
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The more you try to explain, the more question pop out. Explain what is consider near completion? 90% completion? 95%? 99%? They usually do not allow bookong until certain completion. Again bro, pls be specific la. You just tembak everywhere. Until what stage completion can start selling? 90%? 95% 99%? Thn selling or booking? Do you know the diff of this two terms? Are u explain based on text book or real experience? If text book, show la ur source. I m learning fr you. The more u try to explain, the more star it is. rclxub.gif

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Lol, good ah, mixed population and price raise up more than 50% and more than 70% occupancy rate woh.. Not bad right, for a "mixed" area?  brows.gif  brows.gif

As I say many times already, for me i don't think Semenyih is really that far, and if it is really that far, then Semenyih will be continue as ghost town until today, but the reality is there are more and more people move into Semenyih and the jam along Jalan Semenyih become more serious now.

This proves that not everyone is so "scare of distance" that panic about.. There are so many people staying in pelangi Semenyih 1 & 2, bandar Tasik Kesuma, Sunway Semenyih, taman-taman near kampung baru semenyih that most of them are working in KL and the vicinity woh.


Everyone have their own taste mah, you thought in KV only have people like to stay in shoe box that near to town center meh? There are sure got groups of people that like to stay in landed house with decent township features that a little further away from city center mah. By using about the same amount of money, they can justify themselves what kind of houses they want to stay mah.

You don't like doesn't mean everyone will follow you don't like too, no?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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most of the ppl i know staying in semenyih are majority certain groups of ppl.. and most of them had no choice but to stay so, coz cheap...

that is why I say the price , flipped price will fail this project miserably...on whether how many ppl are investing/flipping, just rely on the answer your mind is thinking..
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The more you try to explain, the more question pop out. Explain what is consider near completion? 90% completion? 95%? 99%? They usually do not allow bookong until certain completion. Again bro, pls be specific la. You just tembak everywhere. Until what stage completion can start selling? 90%? 95% 99%? Thn selling or booking? Do you know the diff of this two terms? Are u explain based on text book or real experience? If text book, show la ur source. I m learning fr you. The more u try to explain, the more star it is. rclxub.gif
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actually, what answer you are seeking here? the developers to finish built it 100% with title then start selling to qualify your built and sell?

or are you trying to say this built and sell scheme is no different from the current sell and built?

you are just trying to say this is also sell (at 70% completion) then built the remaining 30%?

is this concept good or not? does this give lesser risk of project abandoning? perhaps?

is it a problem for you to not be able to precisely term built & sell to be restrictive as what you meant?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 07:37 AM)
actually, what answer you are seeking here? the developers to finish built it 100% with title then start selling to qualify your built and sell?

or are you trying to say this built and sell scheme is no different from the current sell and built?

you are just trying to say this is also sell (at 70% completion) then built the remaining 30%?

is this concept good or not? does this give lesser risk of project abandoning? perhaps?

is it a problem for you to not be able to precisely term built & sell to be restrictive as what you meant?
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I think this is a vague area.

Do you happen to pay any deposit when the construction starts and do you aware the sale price when construction just started?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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nope, and yes.

QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 07:09 AM)
The more you try to explain, the more question pop out. Explain what is consider near completion? 90% completion? 95%? 99%? They usually do not allow bookong until certain completion. Again bro, pls be specific la. You just tembak everywhere. Until what stage completion can start selling? 90%? 95% 99%? Thn selling or booking? Do you know the diff of this two terms? Are u explain based on text book or real experience? If text book, show la ur source. I m learning fr you. The more u try to explain, the more star it is. rclxub.gif
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I am explaining based on real experience. As 10:90 isn't very popular yet in malaysia maybe you can guess on your own which property dev is beginning sell this way.
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nope, and yes.
I am explaining based on real experience. As 10:90 isn't very popular yet in malaysia maybe you can guess on your own which property dev is beginning sell this way.
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Icic. Thn make it clear la which 10:90 property you referring. Here TS BBW asking bout 10:90 for Goodview. Thn your so called 10:90 property in real experience real or not if you cant even named it. I m learning fr you. icon_question.gif

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Bear bear, this project no good la, if I were u, i will choose SEH or EM for sure
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Oh, then do you consider this project is sg long or kajang perdana/TTDI location then??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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better than jade hill also, because jade hill surrounded by factory and got flood at main road.


this good view heights for sure no flood at silk highway and surrounded by moutains, not factory... tongue.gif
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better than jade hill also, because jade hill surrounded by factory and got flood at main road.
this good view heights for sure no flood at silk highway and surrounded by moutains, not factory... tongue.gif
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Bbw might start to join the prop collection, this is just 1st house, soon or later might buy some at seh and em for collection.
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Like that property sure crash. DDD become UUU and flipper some more.
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Icic. Thn make it clear la which 10:90 property you referring. Here TS BBW asking bout 10:90 for Goodview. Thn your so called 10:90 property in real experience real or not if you cant even named it. I m learning fr you. icon_question.gif
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As rules and reg is not very regulated yet for 10:90, this developer will 'officially' launch the project when it is about 85% completion, which is when you sign the SPA. iinm you can place your earnest depo since last year but property is not yours to flip since SPA not signed. of course if you scared developer lari then you dont book until you see the structure, this 10:90 is meant to protect buyers from abandoned project afterall.

Again rules and reg is not very clear at this stage. BBW's goodview may be a little different. From my experience conclusion is SPA not signed until near completion, therefore hard to flip.
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Like that property sure crash. DDD become UUU and flipper some more.
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Since dddd now become bbbb, I think better for the bbbb stop gearing now n should start selling to dddd hehehe
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Since dddd now become bbbb, I think better for the bbbb stop gearing now n should start selling to dddd hehehe
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most of the ppl i know staying in semenyih are majority certain groups of ppl.. and most of them had no choice but to stay so, coz cheap...

that is why I say the price , flipped price will fail this project miserably...on whether how many ppl are investing/flipping, just rely on the answer your mind is thinking..
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BBW, you think those group of people who want to stay in shoe box near to city center has choice meh?

By the way, are you discriminating Semenyih people are low income earner? doh.gif doh.gif You know how many people in Semenyih? You know a few people in Semenyih does it represents the whole residents in Semenyih? You even don't know me in person. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

If TTDI groove Kajang so called is vacant, what do you think this project will not vacant later? You sure people buy this project definately is for own stay and no flippers? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


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QUOTE(tikaram @ Sep 11 2014, 01:09 AM)
correct, sg long location  it is much better than country garden.  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 10:12 AM)
As rules and reg is not very regulated yet for 10:90, this developer will 'officially' launch the project when it is about 85% completion, which is when you sign the SPA. iinm you can place your earnest depo since last year but property is not yours to flip since SPA not signed.  of course if you scared developer lari then you dont book until you see the structure, this 10:90 is meant to protect buyers from abandoned project afterall.

Again rules and reg is not very clear at this stage. BBW's goodview may be a little different. From my experience conclusion is SPA not signed until near completion, therefore hard to flip.
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SPA not sign until completion,then i have some question since u just paying the booking fees.

First what if I cannot get loan? Will developer return back the 10% to me ? Under current law, before signing SPA developer no right to forfeit buyer booking fees, may be just can charge ainimal handling fees


Second, if some housing regulation and loan requirement change in middle am I eligible to cancel my booking without subject to penalty?


Third, even I not qualify for loan now I still can place my booking n mark the project because I no need secure my current loan yet because i not signing spa in near term

Fourth , if I am investor and with this loopholes I can whack this project first and wait till until
Completion. If I don't like I just simply don't sign spa and developer have to return my booking after minus some penalty.

Pls correct me if wrong

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 11 2014, 09:21 AM)
better than jade hill also, because jade hill surrounded by factory and got flood at main road.
this good view heights for sure no flood at silk highway and surrounded by moutains, not factory... tongue.gif
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hahaha, jade hill surrounded by smoke, and looks like heaven mah... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 11:40 AM)
BBW, you think those group of people who want to stay in shoe box near to city center has choice meh?

By the way, are you discriminating Semenyih people are low income earner?  doh.gif  doh.gif  You know how many people in Semenyih? You know a few people in Semenyih does it represents the whole residents in Semenyih? You even don't know me in person. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

If TTDI groove Kajang so called is vacant, what do you think this project will not vacant later? You sure people buy this project definately is for own stay and no flippers?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Sep 11 2014, 11:48 AM)
SPA not sign until completion,then i have some question since u just paying the booking fees.

First what if I cannot get loan? Will developer return back the 10% to me ? Under current law, before signing SPA developer no right to forfeit buyer booking fees, may be just can charge ainimal handling fees
Second, if some housing regulation and loan requirement change in middle am I eligible to cancel my booking without subject to penalty?
Third, even I not qualify for loan now I still can place my booking n mark the project because I no need secure my current loan yet because i not signing spa in near term

Fourth , if I am investor and with this loopholes I can whack this project first and wait till until
Completion. If I don't like I just simply don't sign spa and developer have to return my booking after minus some penalty.

Pls correct me if wrong
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It is so awkward purchaser can put "booking" when the project starts and only sign SPA 3 months before project completion, very weird system.

I presume the 10:90 system suppose to be a condition purchaser pay 10% when signing the SPA during the project launch, then wait 24 / 36 months for VP, before the remaining 90% is disseminated to the developer. What for signing SPA 3 months before completion, a lot of clauses in the SPA such as delivery period and LAD considered useless in this context.

By the way, also not sure so called this "booking" is transferable, if can and the project is good, then will have another type of flipping - "I am willing to let go my booking with some premium, pm me"... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Sep 11 2014, 11:48 AM)
SPA not sign until completion,then i have some question since u just paying the booking fees.

First what if I cannot get loan? Will developer return back the 10% to me ? Under current law, before signing SPA developer no right to forfeit buyer booking fees, may be just can charge ainimal handling fees
Second, if some housing regulation and loan requirement change in middle am I eligible to cancel my booking without subject to penalty?
Third, even I not qualify for loan now I still can place my booking n mark the project because I no need secure my current loan yet because i not signing spa in near term

Fourth , if I am investor and with this loopholes I can whack this project first and wait till until
Completion. If I don't like I just simply don't sign spa and developer have to return my booking after minus some penalty.

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Good questions. i cannot answer all since i'm not the developer

but i answer to my knowledge.

first you got something wrong. 10% is paid on SPA

for booking it is up to developer to decide the amount like your normal Sell then Build property (earnest deposit) - 5k? 10k?

1. This ED amount is refunded provided bank rejection letter. some developers need 1 some need 3 i heard.
2. This i dont know
3. Loan application to be done before SPA. but yes i guess you can mark the project. but you will only get you ED back if bank reject your loan.
4. Refer to 3. non-refundable if no bank rejection letter.

this is as far as i know la
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 12:44 PM)
Good questions. i cannot answer all since i'm not the developer

but i answer to my knowledge.

first you got something wrong. 10% is paid on SPA

for booking it is up to developer to decide the amount like your normal Sell then Build property (earnest deposit) - 5k? 10k?

1. This ED amount is refunded provided bank rejection letter. some developers need 1 some need 3 i heard.
2. This i dont know
3. Loan application to be done before SPA. but yes i guess you can mark the project. but you will only get you ED back if bank reject your loan.
4. Refer to 3. non-refundable if no bank rejection letter.

this is as far as i know la
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10% is paid on SPA, so when is the SPA sign ? 3 months before completion or 14 days after u sign booking form?
If SPA sign 3 months before completion then I can whack 10 units and wait for market response when completed, in even the project is not good then I only lost Partial ED, if really good I simply can flip

If I sign SPA after booking then would this consider built n sell? How could I secure a 3 years later loan from bank because money only disburse after completion. Usual practice is secure loan only sign SPA..how bank going to assest my financial 3 years in advance ?

Do buyer get any protection from housing developer act if SPA sign 3 months before completion ?

3- to your answer , 3 I can very easily get my loan rejected from bank..I simply don't provide enough document for loan application. Further , rejection the term is very wide, how if I not get the rate i want ? How bout margin of finance, let say loan rejected for 90% but approved if I loan for 80%?

Anyway , developer cannot forfeit any earnest deposit according housing development act before signing SPA..they only can charge certain processing fees.


Sorry for a lot question. Actually I just try brainstorm tongue.gif

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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 12:44 PM)
Good questions. i cannot answer all since i'm not the developer

but i answer to my knowledge.

first you got something wrong. 10% is paid on SPA

for booking it is up to developer to decide the amount like your normal Sell then Build property (earnest deposit) - 5k? 10k?

1. This ED amount is refunded provided bank rejection letter. some developers need 1 some need 3 i heard.
2. This i dont know
3. Loan application to be done before SPA. but yes i guess you can mark the project. but you will only get you ED back if bank reject your loan.
4. Refer to 3. non-refundable if no bank rejection letter.
This is as far as i know laa
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The way you explain this scheme makes the developer look chi 9 lan sin and don't make sense at all. If got such developer doing bzness, I think the developer must be shock pluk , or someone like u giv us wrong info.

1. Say today 11 sept 2014 progress 0% but all units 100% booked. RM5k booking. No need sign SPA until progress reach 85% on 11 sept 2016..

2. By 11 sept 2016, need signing SPA. Some may drop out or change their mind. Assumed 40% loan rejection. From 100% booking to 60% SPA signed. Developer need to start selling remaining unit 2 years after happily taking 100% booking on 11 sept 2014. Chi 9 lan sin. Cannot claim progress payment for 40% of unsold units.

3. Common sense tell me developer will collect 5k booking on 11sept 2014 and within certain time frame says 1 month, purchaser must sign SPA and lock the sales. Purchaser pay 10% upon SPA. Thn by 11 sept 2016, collect 75% further progress payment according to SPA. Continue lock in sales and signing of SPA from 11 sept 2014 until 11 sept 2016 for any unsold unit, loan rejected unit, drop out unit, etc.

be7a, really got this type of developer meh? Amazing. Tell us which project is this? Its a super BBBBB! rclxub.gif

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10% is paid on SPA, so when is the SPA sign ? 3 months before completion or 14 days after u sign booking form?
If SPA sign 3 months before completion then I can whack 10 units and wait for market response when completed, in even the project is not good then I only lost Partial ED, if really good I simply can flip

If I sign SPA after booking then would this consider built n sell? How could I secure a 3 years later loan from bank because money only disburse after completion. Usual practice is secure loan only sign SPA..how bank going to assest my financial 3 years in advance ?

Do buyer get any protection from housing developer act if SPA sign 3 months before completion ?

3- to your answer , 3 I can very easily get my loan rejected from bank..I simply don't provide enough document for loan application. Further , rejection the term is very wide, how if I not get the rate i want ? How bout margin of finance, let say loan rejected for 90% but approved if I loan for 80%?

Anyway , developer cannot forfeit any earnest deposit according housing development act before signing SPA..they only can charge certain processing fees.
Sorry for a lot question. Actually I just try brainstorm  tongue.gif
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lol chill guys, i am only explaining based on what i know, which isn't much. whether there is such a thing out there only time will tell if im right or wrong. also, whether there is a property out there which can be bought like this is also up to you to find out. if you guys have doubts it is also no loss to me. i'm not trying to sell anything here biggrin.gif
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btw you guys are giving a situation whereby you book 3 years in advance. so far there isn't such a thing. what i know from experience with BTS 10:90 is that developer will only start selling (i.e accepting earnest depo) close to property completion. so the timeframe where you pay ED then sign SPA is not as long as you guys hypothesise.
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 02:37 PM)
lol chill guys, i am only explaining based on what i know, which isn't much. whether there is such a thing out there only time will tell if im right or wrong. also, whether there is a property out there which can be bought like this is also up to you to find out. if you guys have doubts it is also no loss to me. i'm not trying to sell anything here biggrin.gif
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No la.. no doubt on your explanation. icon_question.gif

Only the developer chi 9 lan sin. rclxms.gif

Psss, let me know la which project is this. I want to whack 10 units. If shy, PM me la. brows.gif

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Normally developer looking for sui yi buyers.
This time, buyers are looking for sui yi developer.
Time changes fr UUU to DDD. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 02:40 PM)
btw you guys are giving a situation whereby you book 3 years in advance. so far there isn't such a thing. what i know from experience with BTS 10:90 is that developer will only start selling (i.e accepting earnest depo) close to property completion. so the timeframe where you pay ED then sign SPA is not as long as you guys hypothesise.
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So, that's mean you don't know the price of the property as it starts building (2 - 3 years ago), the price is only available during launching (recently), which is about 3 months before completion, right?

I think the developer is inexperience, their way of conducting 10:90 system will impose many problems to the purchasers later. This is not suppose the right way.

The right way of 10:90 system is - sign the SPA and pay 10% before the construction starts, after only completion, the buyers pay the remaining of 90%.

Sign SPA 3 months before completion looks to me is very confusing and problematic.. doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 02:49 PM)
So, that's mean you don't know the price of the property as it starts building (2 - 3 years ago), the price is only available during launching (recently), which is about 3 months before completion, right?

I think the developer is inexperience, their way of conducting 10:90 system will impose many problems to the purchasers later. This is not suppose the right way.

The right way of 10:90 system is - sign the SPA and pay 10% before the construction starts, after only completion, the buyers pay the remaining of 90%.

Sign SPA 3 months before completion looks to me is very confusing and problematic..  doh.gif  doh.gif
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what sort of problems will purchasers have with this model? please enlighten

based on your way of 10:90, i think it will make property market even more flippable than when DIBS was here.
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 02:49 PM)
So, that's mean you don't know the price of the property as it starts building (2 - 3 years ago), the price is only available during launching (recently), which is about 3 months before completion, right?

I think the developer is inexperience, their way of conducting 10:90 system will impose many problems to the purchasers later. This is not suppose the right way.

The right way of 10:90 system is - sign the SPA and pay 10% before the construction starts, after only completion, the buyers pay the remaining of 90%.

Sign SPA 3 months before completion looks to me is very confusing and problematic..  doh.gif  doh.gif
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There is no stupid developer la. Only got ppl with half past six misleading info. biggrin.gif
BTS or 10:90 more beneficial to buyer.
Disadvantage to developer. Any BTS or 10:90 will start fr big reputable and financial strong developer. So far I know See Hoy Chan done it.
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 02:58 PM)
There is no stupid developer la. Only got ppl with half past six misleading info.  biggrin.gif
BTS or 10:90 more beneficial to buyer.
Disadvantage to developer. Any BTS or 10:90 will start fr big reputable and financial strong developer. So far I know See Hoy Chan done it.
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May be now developer try to change term from DIBS to BTS leh..difference pot but same medicine..

For developer side , if can do BTS with final phase only sign SPA why not fully built only sell..no need let buyer to lock in the early price and profit margin can be higher.

Anyway might be new marketing schemes n might have some hidden clause. If wanna know true anot may be we should go site visit developer office.

If really got such things then everyone can whack 10 units. Booking fees 10 x 10= 100k, if near completion not ngam , cancel booking n ask developer refund. After minus handling charges may be get back 70k.

If can flip 100k for 1 unit , then I only take 30k gamble for 1 mil profit.. Good good tongue.gif

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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 02:40 PM)
btw you guys are giving a situation whereby you book 3 years in advance. so far there isn't such a thing. what i know from experience with BTS 10:90 is that developer will only start selling (i.e accepting earnest depo) close to property completion. so the timeframe where you pay ED then sign SPA is not as long as you guys hypothesise.
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What be&a said are correct if the project has been undercon without any launches or open for sales.
It is a standard sales mechanism use in Hong Kong Property where developer there construct the project till 85% completion before open for sales/balloting. The reason is that the HK authority only approve advertising & sales permit for actual/exited product which based on 'as is where is' selling concept, 'you buy what you get'. No cheating.

Upon signing of SPA, loan/balance must be ready to to release to the developer in lumpsum when VP, so there's no progress payment delay occur.

As far as I know, only one developer adopt this concept when malaysia start Built then Sell method, which is See Hoy Chan, for their 9 Bukit Utama Condo & The Effingham.

QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 02:21 PM)

3. Common sense tell me developer will collect 5k booking on 11sept 2014 and within certain time frame says 1 month, purchaser must sign SPA and lock the sales. Purchaser pay 10% upon SPA. Thn by 11 sept 2016, collect 75% further progress payment according to SPA. Continue lock in sales and signing of SPA from 11 sept 2014 until 11 sept 2016 for any unsold unit, loan rejected unit, drop out unit, etc.

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 02:49 PM)
So, that's mean you don't know the price of the property as it starts building (2 - 3 years ago), the price is only available during launching (recently), which is about 3 months before completion, right?

I think the developer is inexperience, their way of conducting 10:90 system will impose many problems to the purchasers later. This is not suppose the right way.

The right way of 10:90 system is - sign the SPA and pay 10% before the construction starts, after only completion, the buyers pay the remaining of 90%.

Sign SPA 3 months before completion looks to me is very confusing and problematic..  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Unfortunately, not many malaysia developer are cash rich enough to go with HK sales concept, so our 'Built then Sell' are a bit unique, which is exactly as what Cloud & Sam explain.

So both is correct system, just the implementation my different

Cheers!


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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Sep 11 2014, 03:07 PM)
May be now developer try to change term from DIBS to BTS leh..difference pot but same medicine..

For developer side , if can do BTS with final phase only sign SPA why not fully built only sell..no need let buyer to lock in the early price and profit margin can be higher.

Anyway might be new marketing schemes n might have some hidden clause. If wanna know true anot may be we should go site visit developer office.

If really got such things then everyone can whack 10 units. Booking fees 10 x 10= 100k, if near completion not ngam , cancel booking n ask developer refund. After minus handling charges may be get back 70k.

If can flip 100k for 1 unit , then I only take 30k gamble for 1 mil profit.. Good good  tongue.gif
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be7a version is the one misleading. Sg long goodview is clear. You need to sign SPA and pay 10% within 2weeks after booking.
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QUOTE(davwon @ Sep 11 2014, 03:16 PM)
Let me chip in a bit as I've been dealing with KPKT housing licensing matters.
What be&a said are correct if the project has been undercon without any launches or open for sales.
It is a standard sales mechanism use in Hong Kong Property where developer there construct the project till 85% completion before open for sales/balloting. The reason is that the HK authority only approve advertising & sales permit  for actual/exited product which based on 'as is where is' selling concept, 'you buy what you get'. No cheating.

Upon signing of SPA, loan/balance must be ready to to release to the developer in lumpsum when VP, so there's no progress payment delay occur.

As far as I know, only one developer adopt this concept when malaysia start Built then Sell method, which is See Hoy Chan, for their 9 Bukit Utama Condo & The Effingham.
Unfortunately, not many malaysia developer are cash rich enough to go with HK sales concept, so our 'Built then Sell' are a bit unique, which is exactly as what Cloud & Sam explain.

So both is correct system, just the implementation my different

Cheers!
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But be7a is referring to his real experience of a project selling in Malaysia, not in hong kong. However he cant reveal the developer or project. doh.gif
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 02:58 PM)
There is no stupid developer la. Only got ppl with half past six misleading info.  biggrin.gif
BTS or 10:90 more beneficial to buyer.
Disadvantage to developer. Any BTS or 10:90 will start fr big reputable and financial strong developer. So far I know See Hoy Chan done it.
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QUOTE(davwon @ Sep 11 2014, 03:16 PM)
Let me chip in a bit as I've been dealing with KPKT housing licensing matters.
What be&a said are correct if the project has been undercon without any launches or open for sales.
It is a standard sales mechanism use in Hong Kong Property where developer there construct the project till 85% completion before open for sales/balloting. The reason is that the HK authority only approve advertising & sales permit  for actual/exited product which based on 'as is where is' selling concept, 'you buy what you get'. No cheating.

Upon signing of SPA, loan/balance must be ready to to release to the developer in lumpsum when VP, so there's no progress payment delay occur.

As far as I know, only one developer adopt this concept when malaysia start Built then Sell method, which is See Hoy Chan, for their 9 Bukit Utama Condo & The Effingham.
Unfortunately, not many malaysia developer are cash rich enough to go with HK sales concept, so our 'Built then Sell' are a bit unique, which is exactly as what Cloud & Sam explain.

So both is correct system, just the implementation my different

Cheers!
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refer to below for better explanation as my info is half past six.

maybe you should expand your market knowledge if you think only see hoy chan is doing this now.

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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 03:58 PM)
There is no stupid developer la. Only got ppl with half past six misleading info.  biggrin.gif
BTS or 10:90 more beneficial to buyer.
Disadvantage to developer. Any BTS or 10:90 will start fr big reputable and financial strong developer. So far I know See Hoy Chan done it.
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You are wrong again.

Many unbooked completed units = BTS. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 02:51 PM)
what sort of problems will purchasers have with this model? please enlighten

based on your way of 10:90, i think it will make property market even more flippable than when DIBS was here.
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10:90 system is a way to protect the purchaser and not involved in the abandon project, not used to curb property flipping woh. As a matter of fact, for BTS system, developer is the "majority flipper".

This model no problem, but signing SPA 3 months before completion is very awkward. Why not just conduct the SPA signing after 100% completion? Treat it just like a subsale.

Problem that may occur: In the SPA, don't think the delivery period is 3 months, it should be standard 24/36 months. So even though developer say expected is 3 months, they can take till 6 months for VP instead, due to some "unforeseeing circumstances", LAD can't protect them as the 24 months / 36 months from the date of SPA (so call the 3 months) and not the construction date. Purchaser suffer and not protected.





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BBW, you think those group of people who want to stay in shoe box near to city center has choice meh?

By the way, are you discriminating Semenyih people are low income earner?  doh.gif  doh.gif  You know how many people in Semenyih? You know a few people in Semenyih does it represents the whole residents in Semenyih? You even don't know me in person. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

If TTDI groove Kajang so called is vacant, what do you think this project will not vacant later? You sure people buy this project definately is for own stay and no flippers?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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which part of comments i mention that this will not be empty if ppl are flipping? more honorable comments please... integrity is again put to stake..
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 04:08 PM)
10:90 system is a way to protect the purchaser and not involved in the abandon project, not used to curb property flipping woh. As a matter of fact, for BTS system, developer is the "majority flipper".

This model no problem, but signing SPA 3 months before completion is very awkward. Why not just conduct the SPA signing after 100% completion? Treat it just like a subsale.

Problem that may occur: In the SPA, don't think the delivery period is 3 months, it should be standard 24/36 months. So even though developer say expected is 3 months, they can take till 6 months for VP instead, due to some "unforeseeing circumstances", LAD can't protect them as the 24 months / 36 months from the date of SPA (so call the 3 months) and not the construction date. Purchaser suffer and not protected.
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this is the main concern right? developers being flippers and leave little chances for flippers to further flipp?

dude, developers has bare the risk and etc... more than the normal auntie/uncle flippers in the market , what developers are flipping will be within a range as their main target is to sell off all buildings.. they have their sales team to factor in what is possible..

flippers other than developers are different... made up many many layman and some experience flippers/investors and many wannabe flippers... game play easy.. buy 1 property flip 200k irregardless where it is and what is the built up.. cant get valuation no problem... market trend can absorb no problem hold on..

that is why developers launches has up to 80% at least (then many ppl claim market is good, everyone is still buying) and subsales after VP suffering low occupancy ( which fortifies the fact they do not have market planning vs developers), you really think developers planning team cannot foresee what purchase can see for the next 2 years i.2 after vp?
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Sep 11 2014, 04:08 PM)
You are wrong again.

Many unbooked completed units = BTS.  rclxm9.gif
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like altitude 236... cheras, OUG parklane , cheras heights rclxms.gif

and because developers cannot finish , flippers cant flip.. glaring examples are OUG parklane, developers selling 420k with freebies, while original buyers bought some 300k, how to flip? selling 350k?

this is the effect of BTS, building up to 80% and sell has effect

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You are wrong again.

Many unbooked completed units = BTS.  rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 04:21 PM)
which part of comments i mention that this will not be empty if ppl are flipping? more honorable comments please... integrity is again put to stake..
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BTS mah, people buy for own stay and cannot flip mah, no? If this project sell 50%, then this 50% buyers sure will use it for own stay mah, no? You explicitly said that woh...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 04:38 PM)
this is the main concern right? developers being flippers and leave little chances for flippers to further flipp?

dude, developers has bare the risk and etc... more than the normal auntie/uncle flippers in the market , what developers are flipping will be within a range as their main target is to sell off all buildings.. they have their sales team to factor in what is possible..

flippers other than developers are different... made up many many layman and some experience flippers/investors and many wannabe flippers... game play easy.. buy 1 property flip 200k irregardless where it is and what is the built up.. cant get valuation no problem... market trend can absorb no problem hold on..

that is why developers launches has up to 80% at least (then many ppl claim market is good, everyone is still buying) and subsales after VP suffering low occupancy ( which fortifies the fact they do not have market planning vs developers), you really think developers planning team cannot foresee what purchase can see for the next 2 years i.2 after vp?
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BBW, is it you want to tell people that developer can serve a good flipper, better than layman. So layman flip is a sin, developer flip is good deed, coz they care the risk. Is this kind of perception you want to tell? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

If you think flippers can hold on then why not the developer? They suppose to be cash rich and provide the BTS houses right?

All these developers should have conduct studies prior to the development and factoring the risk in it. If they project the economy is downturn or supply is more than demand or no confident on the sales, will they build BTS houses?

Do you think BTS developers really care about the occupancy after VP? If the marketing research team projected there will be good sales in future, they also will continue building the house woh, even the occupancy rate is low loh.

If you think the current flippers don't care bank valuation and holding the property for flipping, means they have holding power woh. They also can buy this BTS property and flip it 2-3 years later mah, anything wrong with that? brows.gif brows.gif


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 04:39 PM)
like altitude 236... cheras, OUG parklane , cheras heights rclxms.gif

and because developers cannot finish , flippers cant flip.. glaring examples are OUG parklane, developers selling 420k with freebies, while original buyers bought some 300k, how to flip? selling 350k?

this is the effect of BTS, building up to 80% and sell has effect
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Lol... OUG parklane is not BTS mah, if BTS then the price now by the developer maybe 500k already loh, no?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 04:38 PM)
this is the main concern right? developers being flippers and leave little chances for flippers to further flipp?

dude, developers has bare the risk and etc... more than the normal auntie/uncle flippers in the market , what developers are flipping will be within a range as their main target is to sell off all buildings.. they have their sales team to factor in what is possible..

flippers other than developers are different... made up many many layman and some experience flippers/investors and many wannabe flippers... game play easy.. buy 1 property flip 200k irregardless where it is and what is the built up.. cant get valuation no problem... market trend can absorb no problem hold on..

that is why developers launches has up to 80% at least (then many ppl claim market is good, everyone is still buying) and subsales after VP suffering low occupancy ( which fortifies the fact they do not have market planning vs developers), you really think developers planning team cannot foresee what purchase can see for the next 2 years i.2 after vp?
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So developer sell at 700K ok but flipper sell at 700k to earn not ok...... hmm.gif
U really got a very unique way of thinking...... flex.gif
And u mean flipper dont take risk at all?? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 11 2014, 06:19 PM)
So developer sell at 700K ok but flipper sell at 700k to earn not ok......  hmm.gif
U really got a very unique way of thinking......  flex.gif
And u mean flipper dont take risk at all??  sweat.gif
Obviously u got prob with BTC ppl earning good money..... HUGE JEALOUSY MENTALITY!!  brows.gif  brows.gif
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 05:14 PM)
BTS mah, people buy for own stay and cannot flip mah, no? If this project sell 50%, then this 50% buyers sure will use it for own stay mah, no? You explicitly said that woh...
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still, which part of it i mention this this project will not be vacant if no ppl are flipping and not own stay?


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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 05:47 PM)
BBW, is it you want to tell people that developer can serve a good flipper, better than layman. So layman flip is a sin, developer flip is good deed, coz they care the risk. Is this kind of perception you want to tell?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

If you think flippers can hold on then why not the developer? They suppose to be cash rich and provide the BTS houses right?

All these developers should have conduct studies prior to the development and factoring the risk in it. If they project the economy is downturn or supply is more than demand or no confident on the sales, will they build BTS houses?

Do you think BTS developers really care about the occupancy after VP? If the marketing research team projected there will be good sales in future, they also will continue building the house woh, even the occupancy rate is low loh.

If you think the current flippers don't care bank valuation and holding the property for flipping, means they have holding power woh. They also can buy this BTS property and flip it 2-3 years later mah, anything wrong with that?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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why they need to worry... many flippers think out of the box and reflip again... why worry.. got you guys buying 1 row or 2 rows one shot.. how to die?
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 05:51 PM)
Lol... OUG parklane is not BTS mah, if BTS then the price now by the developer maybe 500k already loh, no?
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i am trying to use the analogy that BTS like goodview (pleae disagree) i.e if developers cannot finish selling BTS units, how the buyers is going to flip?

get it? IN OUG parklane yes it is not a BTS... but now already completed and VP.. anyting make the not to be able to sell at 500k?

i m using the principle of the aftermath of flippers who bought 300k and now cant flip higher coz developers ares till holding units and only selling 420k with freebies..

likewise here... BTS are itself priced so high after factoring everything, and in such a short period to sell before VP, if developers cannot finish selling, you think the flippers will be able to flip? do you see what I am trying to tell you or not?

can TKJ retract that you are more professional than us? it is so wrong to even digest your statement with trolling comments and different wavelength ... i meant this....
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 11 2014, 06:19 PM)
So developer sell at 700K ok but flipper sell at 700k to earn not ok......  hmm.gif
U really got a very unique way of thinking......  flex.gif
And u mean flipper dont take risk at all??  sweat.gif
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I didnt made this up... it is based on developers sales targets, and the sub sales vacant units? don't they?

could it be because BTC and following (iceman quote) that you flip for 200k? I support built & sell...

is there any other reason for developers launches to fully bought within such short period vs subsales?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:50 PM)
I didnt made this up... it is based on developers sales targets, and the sub sales vacant units? don't they?

could it be because BTC and following (iceman quote) that you flip for 200k? I support built & sell...

is there any other reason for developers launches to fully bought within such short period vs subsales?
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Bear2, u really geng chow le! Buy or not buy, u do research 4 each project likes doing master thesis paper wor!!!

I malas n stupid one. Just buy if I like it n worry later.. If someone ask, just tell them LimPei hu lui song ah! Lu bey song meh!

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QUOTE(be7a @ Sep 11 2014, 04:02 PM)
refer to below for better explanation as my info is half past six.

maybe you should expand your market knowledge if you think only see hoy chan is doing this now.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:50 PM)
I didnt made this up... it is based on developers sales targets, and the sub sales vacant units? don't they?

could it be because BTC and following (iceman quote) that you flip for 200k? I support built & sell...

is there any other reason for developers launches to fully bought within such short period vs subsales?
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Someone thought you r doing master in BTS? Make sure you dont take those holland info fr half past six in ur thesis. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 11 2014, 06:19 PM)
So developer sell at 700K ok but flipper sell at 700k to earn not ok......  hmm.gif
U really got a very unique way of thinking......  flex.gif
And u mean flipper dont take risk at all??  sweat.gif
Obviously u got prob with BTC ppl earning good money..... HUGE JEALOUSY MENTALITY!!  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Since the 1st day this BBW oledy hate flippers so much, and love SHL developer so much...

So only 2 things ca conclude


1. He is someone who not afford to buy any property last few years and a lot of friends surrounded him making big money from property So he so jealous but not dare to speak out so only can expresss the bad feleing at forum

2. He is some sales man from SHL developer who is trying hard to talk bad on all other projects and only SHL project is the best....

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 11 2014, 07:45 PM)
Since the 1st day this BBW oledy hate flippers so much, and love SHL developer so much...

So only 2 things ca conclude
1. He is someone who not afford to buy any property last few years and a lot of friends surrounded him making big money from property So he so jealous but not dare to speak out so only can expresss the bad feleing at forum

2. He is some sales man from SHL developer who is trying hard to talk bad on all other projects and only SHL project is the best....

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I knew bbw hate flipper...... Frankly I never likes flippers too...... But I don't hate them too..... I jus accept what it has in the market........
However...... The point now is the reason behind bbw's hate.......... He discriminate those uneducated ppl being flippers...... He discriminate those uneducated earning well by flipping prop......
Through his words, he feel developer flip is ok as they take risk........ KNN..... Flippers don't take risk, uneducated ppl take risk and succeed means nothing!......

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:42 PM)
still, which part of it i mention this this project will not be vacant if no ppl are flipping and not own stay?
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buy this project not for flipping/investing and not for own stay, buy for fun ah? Since this project is unlikely to be flipped as claimed, those purchase normally for own stay mah, no?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:50 PM)
I didnt made this up... it is based on developers sales targets, and the sub sales vacant units? don't they?

could it be because BTC and following (iceman quote) that you flip for 200k? I support built & sell...

is there any other reason for developers launches to fully bought within such short period vs subsales?
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Whatever result or outcome in the market is one thing..... But the way u discriminate "layman" its a big failure in your mentality as a human......
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:44 PM)
why they need to worry... many flippers think out of the box and reflip again... why worry.. got you guys buying 1 row or 2 rows one shot.. how to die?
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Wah, this one is definitely no integrity answer loh... so developer can choose develop a project inside rubbish dump site huh? Got flippers mah, why worry? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:48 PM)
i am trying to use the analogy that BTS like goodview (pleae disagree) i.e if developers cannot finish selling BTS units, how the buyers is going to flip?

get it? IN OUG parklane yes it is not a BTS... but now already completed and VP.. anyting make the not to be able to sell at 500k?

i m using the principle of the aftermath of flippers who bought 300k and now cant flip higher coz developers ares till holding units and only selling 420k with freebies..

likewise here... BTS are itself priced so high after factoring everything, and in such a short period to sell before VP, if developers cannot finish selling, you think the flippers will be able to flip? do you see what I am trying to tell you or not?

can TKJ retract that you are more professional than us? it is so wrong to even digest your statement with trolling comments and different wavelength ... i meant this....
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BBW, this is not right loh, if a project have large number of units can't sold off, does it matter whether it is BTS or STB? Both also can't flip lah, either BTS or STB got any relevance meh? You should understand this simple fact mah, not difficult loh, no?

Nah, again you try to compare a STB project with BTS project, can compare and become the analogy meh? If OUG Parklane is a BTS project, you think they will sell 420k now meh? Must be factor in all the risk into sale price lah, finally is the buyer that need to fork out the large sum money to pay mah.

And hor, you miss one important fact. If a flipper have holding power, why can't he/she hold the BTS house for few years before flipping it? Why must flip during VP leh? You already say mah, they don't care even can't get bank evaluation mah, got any difference meh?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:50 PM)
I didnt made this up... it is based on developers sales targets, and the sub sales vacant units? don't they?

could it be because BTC and following (iceman quote) that you flip for 200k? I support built & sell...

is there any other reason for developers launches to fully bought within such short period vs subsales?
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It's okay to support build and sell, but don't be so naive to say "build and sell" can curb the flipping activities.

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Sep 11 2014, 07:45 PM)
Since the 1st day this BBW oledy hate flippers so much, and love SHL developer so much...

So only 2 things ca conclude
1. He is someone who not afford to buy any property last few years and a lot of friends surrounded him making big money from property So he so jealous but not dare to speak out so only can expresss the bad feleing at forum

2. He is some sales man from SHL developer who is trying hard to talk bad on all other projects and only SHL project is the best....

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Pity BBW if it is first case.

More pity to BBW if second case coz need to use dirty tricks like this... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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[quote=samkps,Sep 11 2014, 08:40 PM]
BBW, this is not right loh, if a project have large number of units can't sold off, does it matter whether it is BTS or STB? Both also can't flip lah, either BTS or STB got any relevance meh? You should understand this simple fact mah, not difficult loh, no?

yup BTS and STB are the same effect if developers cant sold off...but in STB, if developers cant sell off most of them , they could stop building instead, BTS is different, already 70-80% finish... any doubt about it? developers iwill be more scare about their own money getting burn

and in STB, you guys will presume and have the time to service only interest (for now) in the post it was DIBS included, so can flip 200k or attempt (sadly this is no longer true, developers even in STB are placing prices higher, reflipping is as impossible for new launches today), but in BTS the period of VP is too short to warrant a 200k jump.. further more, developers if they are holding many units, will at any time discount or any other way to dispose off their property to get liquidity to get their money back...

Nah, again you try to compare a STB project with BTS project, can compare and become the analogy meh? If OUG Parklane is a BTS project, you think they will sell 420k now meh? Must be factor in all the risk into sale price lah, finally is the buyer that need to fork out the large sum money to pay mah.


what is stopping them? to increase? look at Cheras heights (altitude 236, univ 360 SEH , EM).. it was launched around 300k to 350k, until today there are still developers units unsold, after complaint by other flippers, developers had increased it to 570k to 600k.. why not? OUG parklane given its primacy of location, has choosen not to increase instead.. this cause domino effect to investors..

And hor, you miss one important fact. If a flipper have holding power, why can't he/she hold the BTS house for few years before flipping it? Why must flip during VP leh? You already say mah, they don't care even can't get bank evaluation mah, got any difference meh?

i didn't miss anything you miss it "if". even holding few years, like OUG parklane 3 years completion already due, developers still has units unsold how?

the last bit, you have just answer off your integrity with it.. trolling like a professional, TKJ miss this..

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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 08:47 PM)
It's okay to support build and sell, but don't be so naive to say "build and sell" can curb the flipping activities.
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cant curb means no effect... all project BTS... correct or not?

you not for own stay already meh? oh ya, standard clause, " if got good p[rice why not sell" right? bro in Semenyih with 680k conservative figures from SA... yuppp

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 11 2014, 08:28 PM)
I knew bbw hate flipper...... Frankly I never likes flippers too...... But I don't hate them too..... I jus accept what it has in the market........
However...... The point now is the reason behind bbw's hate.......... He discriminate those uneducated ppl being flippers...... He discriminate those uneducated earning well by flipping prop......
Through his words, he feel developer flip is ok as they take risk........ KNN..... Flippers don't take risk, uneducated ppl take risk and succeed means nothing!......
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don't do grouping that i meant.. layman can anyone.. does not necessary meant uneducated.. why you felt so discriminatory? i didn't meant that, you are they pone felt discriminated, you are in this category?
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Sep 11 2014, 08:32 PM)
Whatever result or outcome in the market is one thing..... But the way u discriminate "layman" its a big failure in your mentality as a human......
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ask for stupid question =reply the same

the same goes to thinking BTS and STB are the same.. cant you see, you guys are trying to prove the same... one joker even same it cant stop flipping...

yup the same joker is for own stay in Semenyih, main concern is ability to flip... yupppp
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1.) Stopped? For highrise how to stop? Build third floor and skip second floor ah? For DSL, in one row build 1st house, skip 10 houses, then build another two houses, then skip another 8 houses ah?

Yamah, that's why I say their marketing research team will do analysis in-depth before launching BTS project. Don't you think the statement "no worry, got flippers mah" is slapping yourself?

2.) What is stopping them? Easy, no one stopping them, since they have so many units unsold, what for increase price again, the 500k I said is the initial launching price, you won't have unit selling 300k at the first place mah.

3.) Nah, this again is the same thing, you already agree just now mah, if they are many units unsold, either BTS or STB also no relevance woh, both also cannot flip, why you take this kind of project as example? You are contradicting yourself, right? You should take those project that can sell very fast during launching, and tell us the different if this kind of project is BTS or STB mah. Can BTS really curb the flipping activity for this fast selling project?

You already lose your dignity here, don't lose mentality also, okay?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 09:02 PM)
ask for stupid question =reply the same

the same goes to thinking BTS and STB are the same.. cant you see, you guys are trying to prove the same... one joker even same it cant stop flipping...

yup the same joker is for own stay in Semenyih, main concern is ability to flip... yupppp
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I don't think you really understand who are the flippers, perhaps you should study more on what's so called flipper...
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QUOTE(samkps @ Sep 11 2014, 04:08 PM)
10:90 system is a way to protect the purchaser and not involved in the abandon project, not used to curb property flipping woh. As a matter of fact, for BTS system, developer is the "majority flipper".

This model no problem, but signing SPA 3 months before completion is very awkward. Why not just conduct the SPA signing after 100% completion? Treat it just like a subsale.

Problem that may occur: In the SPA, don't think the delivery period is 3 months, it should be standard 24/36 months. So even though developer say expected is 3 months, they can take till 6 months for VP instead, due to some "unforeseeing circumstances", LAD can't protect them as the 24 months / 36 months from the date of SPA (so call the 3 months) and not the construction date. Purchaser suffer and not protected.
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No such 10:90 or BTS signing SPA 3 months b4 100% completion. No sochai developer do tht. That be7a really half past six. Ask him which project cannot tell coz no such 10:90 or BTS project. Mayb he worry if he tell the project name, you will sapu all the unit. doh.gif

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Sep 11 2014, 04:08 PM)
You are wrong again.

Many unbooked completed units = BTS.  rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 09:20 PM)
No such 10:90 or BTS signing SPA 3 months b4 100% completion. No sochai developer do tht. That be7a really half past six. Ask him which project cannot tell coz no such 10:90 or BTS project. Mayb he worry if he tell the project name, you will sapu all the unit. doh.gif
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So back to this project what is the financial schemes and what kind of BTS they offering ?

BBW after u defend n promote so much about this project do u bought any?

Tell us what type of BTS concept they offering if u don mind
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 06:48 PM)
i am trying to use the analogy that BTS like goodview (pleae disagree) i.e if developers cannot finish selling BTS units, how the buyers is going to flip?

get it? IN OUG parklane yes it is not a BTS... but now already completed and VP.. anyting make the not to be able to sell at 500k?

i m using the principle of the aftermath of flippers who bought 300k and now cant flip higher coz developers ares till holding units and only selling 420k with freebies..

likewise here... BTS are itself priced so high after factoring everything, and in such a short period to sell before VP, if developers cannot finish selling, you think the flippers will be able to flip? do you see what I am trying to tell you or not?

can TKJ retract that you are more professional than us? it is so wrong to even digest your statement with trolling comments and different wavelength ... i meant this....
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Developer sell 420k. I bought 300k flip 410k. Ok boh? Talking to u makes me feel like a genius. biggrin.gif

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So back to this project what is the financial schemes and what kind of BTS they offering ?

BBW after u defend n promote so much about this project do u bought any?

Tell us what type of BTS concept they offering if u don mind
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I conclude for you. Its 10:90. Book now. Apply loan now. Sign SPA within 2weeks if not wrong and pay 10%. Balance 90% upon CCC ie completion. This dont fall under BTS.

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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 09:37 PM)
I conclude for you. Its 10:90. Book now. Apply loan now. Sign SPA within 2weeks if not wrong and pay 10%. Balance 90% upon CCC ie completion. This dont fall under BTS.
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Tq tq, this mean not those claim can sign SPA 3 months before completion la. This make more sense for me.
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[quote=samkps,Sep 11 2014, 09:14 PM]
1.) Stopped? For highrise how to stop? Build third floor and skip second floor ah? For DSL, in one row build 1st house, skip 10 houses, then build another two houses, then skip another 8 houses ah?

can you be a little bit sensible? highrise can stop after piling ... dude.. saw the project next to plaza rakyat? pude there? DBKL is now appointing ppl to take over for STB projects.. green terraine also STB project and left half way... nusa mewah condo only vp this year after 9 years of constructions STB.. owners service loans till father also cant recognise.. still can continue back.. project opposite quill mall also abandoned till now... quill mall itself also abandoned...

Yamah, that's why I say their marketing research team will do analysis in-depth before launching BTS project. Don't you think the statement "no worry, got flippers mah" is slapping yourself?

hello you are the one promoting that flippers will flip better in BTS can straight get VP and flip... haizz.. track ur statements as to which sentence meant which statement... remember? you are the one who also say wont stop ppl from flipping.. remember?

2.) What is stopping them? Easy, no one stopping them, since they have so many units unsold, what for increase price again, the 500k I said is the initial launching price, you won't have unit selling 300k at the first place mah.

good to know, developers do that... flippers don't ya... they service enough loans, enough maintenance, increase price to have their 200k unfettered... smart ppl jasoncat will say cement price increase, even though units finish, GST coming factors, and everything that justify the increase call.. got difference leh... developers will be making enough even though they are selling at original launching price.. that is why if they do not increase their price upon completion for leftover units, flippers will need to trail behind developers price and at a margin of 15% at least.. conz developers still got freebies...

3.) Nah, this again is the same thing, you already agree just now mah, if they are many units unsold, either BTS or STB also no relevance woh, both also cannot flip, why you take this kind of project as example? You are contradicting yourself, right? You should take those project that can sell very fast during launching, and tell us the different if this kind of project is BTS or STB mah. Can BTS really curb the flipping activity for this fast selling project?

haizz in STB, if many units unsold, developers can cancel the project just like Taiping condos, the sweetham suites, project cancel and money returned to STB buyers... for BTS projects, developers already park in their monies in.. their own money, they only release to sale about 70% to 80% completion, then only know it cannot sell, can they call off the project? or built it finish or just abandone it just like that? finihs it and sell cheaper that can salvage the condition.. they are taking risks
You already lose your dignity here, don't lose mentality also, okay?

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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Sep 11 2014, 09:33 PM)
Developer sell 420k. I bought 300k flip 410k. Ok boh? Talking to u makes me feel like a genius. biggrin.gif
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yup the genius forget about the free legal fees, freebies, and etc..

genius also forgot that there are also 3-4k units rushing the same price..

maybe sell at 380k from 300k.. pay a bit of RPGT, pay a bit of 2% lock in period penalty, pay a bit loan serviced, some maintenance, and etc.. that is about it..

after that there you go your nett profit..

after all, genius still miss one thing, provided his unit is the units picked for sale... if not waiting, service more loans and maintenance, quit rents and etc..

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Tq tq, this mean not those claim can sign SPA 3 months before completion la. This make more sense for me.
If can sign 3 months before completion I wanna whack 10 units  brows.gif
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Here we all talking bout Goodview, tht half past 6 be7a talk bout his experience can sign SPA 3months b4 CCC. Thn ask him what project is refering, top secret, kenot tell. If he tell, sure i can kantoi him. brows.gif
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Tq tq, this mean not those claim can sign SPA 3 months before completion la. This make more sense for me.
If can sign 3 months before completion I wanna whack 10 units  brows.gif
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u can whack 10 units or not first... stamp duty also bungkus you ..

you really think developers sked you let them burn ur deposits? and cannot sell? they BTS and already fork out 70 to 80% one shot.. 20% only left... forfeited your 10% consider lost 10% give it as discounts and sell all off..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 09:49 PM)
yup the genius forget about the free legal fees, freebies, and etc..

genius also forgot that there are also 3-4k units rushing the same price..

maybe sell at 380k from 300k.. pay a bit of RPGT, pay a bit of 2% lock in period penalty, pay a bit loan serviced, some maintenance, and etc.. that is about it..

after that there you go your nett profit..

after all, genius still miss one thing, provided his unit is the units picked for sale... if not waiting, service more loans and maintenance, quit rents and etc..

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1.) Hey, we are talking whether BTS can curb flipping activity or not, why you show me abandon project? You thought those projects you mention is because nobody want to buy so the developer abandon the project? You thought all this abandon projects no flippers as well? Or these projects abandon because no flippers? Come on lah, I never say BTS cannot protect purchaser on abandon project, just BTS can help to curb the flipping or not? Why you always pull in some other thing that not related to this topic one? As a matter of fact, all those project also being abandon when finish 50 - 70 % woh, so is that mean already build 80% is safe? doh.gif doh.gif

Come on, what I say is even no project can free from flippers, developer also need to do in-depth analysis on the project mah, be it BTS or STB, where can say no need worry, got flipper mah... doh.gif

2.) Hello, are you crazy? If a project can't sell most of the units, you think all the flippers will mong seng seng put 200k profit margin for this kind of project ah? If you were the flippers, will you so naive and ignorant? If there is such crazy flippers, better dun put 200k profit lah, put 2 million profit loh. Only those hot selling project flipper will push up the sale price lah my fren, why you always use wrong example one?

3.) Haiz, again and again, I ask you what's the difference between BTS and STB for hot selling project, you keep on telling me fail project... Let me emphasize again, does BTS houses shall curb the flipping activity for hot selling successful project? Answer me this mah, why keep on tell me fail project, fail project either individuals flipper (STB) or developer (BTS) also die lah, no difference one.. You show this kind of project is useless woh... doh.gif doh.gif


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Developer sell 420k. I bought 300k flip 410k. Ok boh? Talking to u makes me feel like a genius. biggrin.gif
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u can whack 10 units or not first... stamp duty also bungkus you ..

you really think developers sked you let them burn ur deposits? and cannot sell? they BTS and already fork out 70 to 80% one shot.. 20% only left... forfeited your 10% consider lost 10% give it as discounts and sell all off..
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Haiyo, if really can sell off, why flippers will burn the deposits? No logic mah...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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cost they cant secure the loans, or even they secure the loans when wanna release the whole sum like(90%) like subsales, bank lawyers detected flippers got proceedings, bancrupt, bad ccris, if you read your loan agreement , or consult TKJ, bank can cancel off the loan agreement any time ... if they find something wrong...

even that makes you pay late interest.. payment due to the bank's fault..

in normal sub sales case, even the banks fault in late approving for what ever reason, borrowers are bound to pay the late interest without any reimbursement from the banks...

could be like competitors in projects just burn the 10% and keep bad image of the project..

likewise, a case, cinema case, one open for reservation only, the reserve so many places that none left for walk in customers, and release all those reservation 5 minutes after the movies started, because the movies had started, potential buyers/walk in customers bought other movies, leaving the movie being rampantly booked empty as last minute vacant units are so many, likewise...

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u can whack 10 units or not first... stamp duty also bungkus you ..

you really think developers sked you let them burn ur deposits? and cannot sell? they BTS and already fork out 70 to 80% one shot.. 20% only left... forfeited your 10% consider lost 10% give it as discounts and sell all off..
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U understd or not wat jliew try to say? Omg! U r lost. Better stop debate thn kena left right center. U jz dont hav the knowledge of wat u try to say. Too much own theory which jz kenot pakai. The more u debate, the more kantoi u r. doh.gif
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cloud , what do don't understand? it is you that we don't understand, have you notice, your comments are merely to fail any point that been pointed out? look and trace the time where we go, from bubble to here..

what is your intention? trolling unstoppable? why man? look at other threads... all of them are self praising threads with zero disadvantage about their projects.. all good vibe about the project sold.. dun believe, try drop in Aemenyih SEH or EM projects.. it seems those project are the best in the world..

Jliew had clearly made his stand on outskirt projects...they bear the higest risk of vacant for few years thus distinguishing his midfields 2 even high rise vs their landed..

the semenyih jokers on the other hand is of the view of, since Jliew is selling high rise with 1200 sq to flipp to 650k or more.. I m flipping a DSL confirmed by samkps SA to be at least 680k... of course i buy landed.. Jliew of course i buy high rise, my location is more prime.. well that is what keep investment and dream open..

for bro samkps, your SA is selling 680k, factor in legal fees, stamp duties, loan legal fees, and stamp duty, administrative fees in loan processing and etc... it could easily hit another 30k.. with discounts of 40% on legal fees.. did one and quoted to clients..

that makes the standing of a standard flipped DSL price in SEH to be less than maybe 10k with goodview project..

bearing in mind,

a)goodview will be completed a head of SEH;
b) larger built up size of SEH 20x 65 vs goodview 22 x75
c) good view red bricks made vs plain white cheap bricks
d) both are gated & guarded
e) good views are located ahead and nearer to KL compared to SEH projects
f) entry price starts from 728 k signifies the tenants or even potential tenants could be from middle class and above compared to SEH 407 k launch with lots of freebies and DIBS intact
g) new area (good view) vs developing areas
h) possibility of good view to be Chinese majority areas vs SEH which are currently not..however good view could end up like jade hills vacant but expensive
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just put the rm10k booking~ hopefully my loan can be approved
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BBW,you talked about price, size etc and tried to compare this project with SEH/EM. I did the comparison and showed you that you may be wrong and you silent......
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just put the rm10k booking~ hopefully my loan can be approved
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Good luck. Mind to share what makes you to buy this property? What's the size and price?

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u can whack 10 units or not first... stamp duty also bungkus you ..

you really think developers sked you let them burn ur deposits? and cannot sell? they BTS and already fork out 70 to 80% one shot.. 20% only left... forfeited your 10% consider lost 10% give it as discounts and sell all off..
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Aiayaya tai kor Bearbear u failed to understand my point. I mean if developer really allow me sign 3 months before completion then I don't think I have problem whack 10 units.
Your gf is lawyer, u should understand the loopholes on our law. The law clearly stated developer cannot forfeit purchaser deposit before SPA. They only can charge me some processing fees and I don't think will more than 5k each unit.
If got such deal whack first think later,if market bad abandon the unit, what I lose only 5k
If market good, ask for investor join name for SPA and secure a loan, sell to them for a some profit.

See Bearbear u failed to see some money making opportunities dy...anyway I don't think this will happen as no such developer will offer deal like this
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just put the rm10k booking~ hopefully my loan can be approved
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what makes you prefer this project over the launching projects in Semenyih?
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Good luck.  Mind to share what makes you to buy this property? What's the size and price?
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i bought the 22X75 with porcelain tiles rm728k (cheaper rm10k compared to wooded tiles version)

basically i buy for own stay, rather than investment.

went to several show houses around semenyih area but somehow goodview height gives better first impression when entering the area, compared to the other, just my personal feeling only, im not a great investor or anything, but for me buying a house should have the "good feeling" before anything else. then only consider the future value

then the houses of goodview gives the feeling that not much renovation needed, for example the extended balcony behind the house really a plus point, and balanced room size with bathroom

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BBW,you talked about price, size etc and tried to compare this project with SEH/EM. I did the comparison and showed you that you may be wrong and you silent......
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we have a buyer shere.. maybe independent views? which part i was silence? the sampkps versions? purchaser are not protected better in sell and built scheme ? that is?
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QUOTE(Maximp @ Sep 11 2014, 11:20 PM)
i bought the 22X75  with porcelain tiles rm728k (cheaper rm10k compared to wooded tiles version)

basically i buy for own stay, rather than investment.

went to several show houses around semenyih area but somehow goodview height gives better first impression when entering the area, compared to the other, just my personal feeling only, im not a great investor or anything, but for me buying a house should have the "good feeling" before anything else. then only consider the future value

then the houses of goodview gives the feeling that not much renovation needed, for example the extended balcony behind the house really a plus point, and balanced room size with bathroom

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+100.. good buy..

please update us on the signing of S&P and the terms and condition in S&P.. i am eyeing too.. this project gives you a feel home rather than semenyih overated project.... all end up flipping..

here, starts 728k, hardly any chance to flip.. sungai long 2 is in the making... good vibe if ppl really move in and stay..
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what makes you prefer this project over the launching projects in Semenyih?
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one word feeling~ really goodview gives good feeling.

oh another reason i buy it gives me those sense of security, guard at front entrance then another one when entering our area. i know its a crap reason, but sometimes these little things matter to me
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bearing in mind,

a)goodview will be completed a head of SEH;
b) larger built up size of SEH 20x 65 vs goodview 22 x75
c) good view red bricks made vs plain white cheap bricks
d) both are gated & guarded
e) good views are located ahead and nearer to KL compared to SEH projects
f) entry price starts from 728 k signifies the tenants or even potential tenants could be from middle class and above compared to SEH 407 k launch with lots of freebies and DIBS intact
g) new area (good view) vs developing areas
h) possibility of good view to be Chinese majority areas vs SEH which are currently not..however good view could end up like jade hills vacant but expensive
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Just buy if u comfortable with the location. If for own stay and if convenience for u.
Seriously if u buy for own stay first things is your wife like that place, u like that place and not too far from your activity area.
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QUOTE(Maximp @ Sep 11 2014, 11:26 PM)
one word feeling~ really goodview gives good feeling.

oh another reason i buy it gives me those sense of security, guard at front entrance then another one when entering our area. i know its a crap reason, but sometimes these little things matter to me
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yup.. no doubt.. it is cosy, secure and most importantly the red brick, it like a signature, better than those semenyih projects..

congrat when the other side of phase opens for sale , it will be more merrier..

the 22 X85 type corner was grabbed earlist.. with extra parking..

please do enjoy their video too:


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QUOTE(Maximp @ Sep 11 2014, 11:20 PM)
i bought the 22X75  with porcelain tiles rm728k (cheaper rm10k compared to wooded tiles version)

basically i buy for own stay, rather than investment.

went to several show houses around semenyih area but somehow goodview height gives better first impression when entering the area, compared to the other, just my personal feeling only, im not a great investor or anything, but for me buying a house should have the "good feeling" before anything else. then only consider the future value

then the houses of goodview gives the feeling that not much renovation needed, for example the extended balcony behind the house really a plus point, and balanced room size with bathroom
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True, other than logical analysis, FEEL is sth important, just like finding your love one......
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hopefully my loan pass la if not the feel become sad haha
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True, other than logical analysis, FEEL is sth important, just like finding your love one......
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semenyih got good feeling too.. good feeling to flip coz 400k plus only...
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yup.. no doubt.. it is cosy, secure and most importantly the red brick, it like a signature, better than those semenyih projects..

congrat when the other side of phase opens for sale , it will be more merrier..

the 22 X85 type corner was grabbed earlist.. with extra parking..

please do enjoy their video too:
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It look nice.....me and family member also like it.......good potential........distance to kl also not far.

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It look nice.....me and family menber also like it.......good potential........distance to kl also not far.
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+100 please do consider.. I am not SA... for SHL... it is better than palm walk 3 concept...

the new phase opening soon..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Sep 11 2014, 11:32 PM)
yup.. no doubt.. it is cosy, secure and most importantly the red brick, it like a signature, better than those semenyih projects..

congrat when the other side of phase opens for sale , it will be more merrier..

the 22 X85 type corner was grabbed earlist.. with extra parking..

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Wah when u like this project also no need to pull down other project gah..by the way u secure your unit already anot?
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semenyih got good feeling too.. good feeling to flip coz 400k plus only...
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Since you have good feeling in Semenyih, mari-mari get one each for SEH and EM. I'm more than willing to be your referral. I believe Samkor is willing too biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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+100 please do consider.. I am not SA... for SHL... it is better than palm walk 3 concept...

the new phase opening soon..
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The problem is I just bought 2nd hand pearl avenue..........passive income... and....collect key next month........dont like high debts.......cannot sleep at night.
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hopefully my loan pass la if not the feel become sad haha
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no worries, loans will be around 3 k plus, be prepare to for another 200 for BLR increase next week...

and maintenance... maybe another 200

total 3400, but moving in next May 2015..

salary wise, around 6.5k nett should be no problem... if 5.5 k also can but dangerous bit..

i assume you park in 10% only..
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Wah when u like this project also no need to pull down other project gah..by the way u secure your unit already anot?
Good things won't forever there
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It seems he cannot have win win situation - it's either lose or win.
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The problem is I just bought 2nd hand pearl avenue..........passive income... and....collect key next month........dont like high debts.......cannot sleep at night.
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aihh... nvm ask agent to sell for you.. pearl avenue at sg chua one? the place is going up geh... shops down there also beefing up properly

after sell then buy.. developers units will be still be available... if not wait longer 180 acres sure a lot of houses...
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Wah when u like this project also no need to pull down other project gah..by the way u secure your unit already anot?
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not yet.. no money... wait you borrow me some... then i buy lor..
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no worries, loans will be around 3 k plus, be prepare to for another 200 for BLR increase next week...

and maintenance... maybe another 200

total 3400, but moving in next May 2015..

salary wise, around 6.5k nett should be no problem... if 5.5 k also can but dangerous bit..

i assume you park in 10% only..
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sales agent told me maintenance is rm128 if i not misheard la.
yup park 10% only, salary wise should be okay la but first time buyer la i damn nervous now...
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Few months ago.....I have site visited EM......that place is very ulu........maybe need 10 years to be like sg long.
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Few months ago.....I have site visited EM......that place is very ulu........maybe need 10 years to be like sg long.
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good... that is what i view too, no Kajang folks will say Semenyih is not ulu... go on and ask lor...
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not yet.. no money... wait you borrow me some... then i buy lor..
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Since u highly recommend then I must go look look see see this project.may be can be your neighbour leh.

For u I willing to borrow, no worry just PM me your number I will get someone bring the agreement for u..

Just sign little document to secure both party la brows.gif brows.gif
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sales agent told me maintenance is rm128 if i not misheard la.
yup park 10% only, salary wise should be okay la but first time buyer la i damn nervous now...
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haizz.. got credit card usage? clean ccris? if hit the bracket sure banks approve one.. new launch sure get valuation, now just the borrower...

actually all in around 76k can go in already... the wood one not nice and extra 10k, but you remember show house unit and actual basic units differs...

especially the colors of the doors...
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Few months ago.....I have site visited EM......that place is very ulu........maybe need 10 years to be like sg long.
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Well, it needs some time to be developed into a mature township. 10 years to be like Sg Long? Haha... I won't use Sg Long as benchmark for EM in 10 years time.
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good... that is what i view too, no Kajang folks will say Semenyih is not ulu... go on and ask lor...
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This project got well plan and good landscaping like EM? Admit a but ulu but price wise is quite affordable in EM..
Should be a prominent address in semenyih in future.. With that entry price level can't complain much

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