PRC just learn from what Japanese did before.

For SEA nations level, I think PLA Navy will send their smaller 2nd-line warships only. No offense,but that would already be sufficient to dominate the South China sea. The best & latest warships will be kept in reserve for taking on Japan and Taiwan navies (and potentially US 7th fleet) at the East China sea. Also Pinoys depends way too much on their hope that US will come to their aid whenever China is involved. I verily doubt US will fight tooth and nail for the Philippines anymore, it's no longer their colony.


Two Type 054A and two Type 054 frigates on dock (L-R Xushou, Zhoushan, Maanshan and Wenzhou).

This is also a mystery to me. Are Malaysian shipyards not capable enough to build heavy patrol ships specifically for APMM? Its not like they're that much use sensitive equipment or high-tech gears. A large, dependable ship with basic radar & electronic systems are enough. Small arms like light machineguns are enough for coast guard duty, long patrol endurance & seaworthiness are more valued in coast guard ships.

So sad to see APMM keep getting old decommissioned RMN ships & Marine police boats and be expected to fully protect the entire Malaysian coastal area with that kind of equipment.

they built a lot 3000~5000 tons coast guard ship, event we get 1000+ tons also nothink can play with them, some more quantity totally side to chinese.

Neh.. china would send their coast guard only.. it like a baiting ticket for them if those cutter were to be attacked.

US will help pinoy if they are willing to spur money on their equipment. But given how unrest and cash deficient pinoy it, i see no economic point in helping pinoy even. Same goes to other asian countries on helping pinoys

But for china let say case senario they were to send their warship here. Our anti ship missle is waiting for them.

basically few reason
- APMM budget is low, and no budget to buy bigger boat/ship .... also no budget to operate bigger ship.
- gov policy over 50km from coast protection job is give to RMN so APMM no need bigger patrol boat, now APMM boat mostly 10～30 meter...
- building patrol boat over 300 tons require "know how" to built reliable boat and Easy to use which required long time experience/background in shipbuilding. basic patrol boat just need marine radar, AIS, ECDIS, UHF/VHF radio, inmarsat, GPS, Echosounders, autopilot, and other small instrument. also launching system for RIBs.

just like you drive 1000cc axia vs 3000cc bmw 5 series, your dare to ram BMW? patrol boat usually use low power engine t keep low cost endurance.

If facing CCG 3,000 ton ship that's another matter la, I'm more concerned if APMM cannot do their bread and butter job like anti-piracy and catching smugglers & infiltrators due to problems with its old & outdated ships. They're a law-enforcement agency, not like Navy, so they have to work on active operations everyday. Also due too geography they got way too much water to cover (East & West peninsular plus the 90% north Borneo & also east Sabah). IMHO that's too much strain on 30-year old ships.

Just imagine like if police still have to use old 1980s Proton Saga nowadays....and they only have 100 for all of Malaysia


Malaysian coastal EEZ area (in blue)

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 4 2014, 12:03 AM

chinese use Military spec super-structure to built coast guard vessel ......

haha no need to copy that la, just try build what we can. No need mil-spec, as long can do patrol duty ok then fine already la. Vietnam use converted fishing trawler already can patrol



This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 4 2014, 01:36 AM

Eksesais Wira Helo

Y-20 Stealth Fighter test flights


Note the Luneburg lens device installed on the underside of the fuselage, used to intensify the fighter's radar signature

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 4 2014, 11:25 AM

From submerged Scorpene?

PLA Navy submarine heads out into Gulf of Aden for Anti-Piracy operations


A PLA Navy Song-class Submarine

After a brief stop at Sri Lanka, The PLA Navy has confirmed that one of its Song-class diesel submarines has continued on its journey to the Gulf of Aden to join in Anti-piracy operations.

The submarine, which visited Sri Lanka from 7th to 14th September has raised fears that the PLA is expanding its coverage, especially submarine operations, into the Indian ocean. While PLA spokesman Colonel Geng Yansheng has announced at a press conference that the submarine's mission is strictly benign, Indian military officials has expressed concerns that this may possibly be a test run on the viability of China's so-called 'string of pearls' strategy, where China has invested heavily for in the past decade.

“Chinese warships are deployed in the Indian Ocean Region and we are continuously monitoring them and see what is their deployment,” chief of the Indian Navy Admiral Robin Dhowan told reporters on 25th September.

The 'string of pearls' strategy refers to bilateral agreements made by China for heavy investments on naval facilities at ports in nations surrounding the Indian ocean area. Substantial work have been done at major ports such as Chittagong, Myanmar; Hambantota, Sri Lanka and Gwahadar, Pakistan that could possibly be capable of serving as bases for PLA Navy ships. In addition, there have been reports that the PLA are working hard to secure rights to build naval outpost facilities in the Maldives and Seychelles Islands.

News Link: Chinese Submarine heads to Gulf of Aden for Anti-Piracy operations

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Some pictures of TNI Prep for SBY farewell

aku rasa kat dalam forum lowyat ni, hanya thread bebenang ni je la yang aku boleh percaya, ada reference, tak biased, penjelasan pun bagus.. boleh buat academic reference yang agak boleh dipercayai.. lagi-lagi kalau yinchet dan atreyuangel ada kat dalam.. yang bebenang lain tatau nak cakap apa dah.

LTZ pergi masuk sekolahkan diaorang, esok lusa diaorang pergi buat lagi

Btw i read a comic before

2 nihon patrol ship used thick rope to trap and stop a possible spy ship with mminimum damage so there can hostile it for investigation.


Possible in real life?

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This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 8 2014, 07:16 PM

Fuuuh seeing the Indo assets makes me so jelly. Too bad Malaysia kenot afford to keep up

Of course possible,but very unlikely to happen. Usually intel-gathering ships are manned by the best & most proficient of officers & crews. They are always extra vigilant on their missions, they will always operate in International waters and it's very unlikely they can wander accidentally into a country's territorial waters where they can be caught. Usually they can be found right at the edge of any legal boundary of a country or a ship. They will shadow carefully so they can claim they were in international waters and are not breaking any laws, which they are. It's one of those things that are wrong, but still legal.

Back in the Cold War, US carrier crews always said they were often furious at Soviet intelligence trawlers shadowing their battlegroup, but they can't legally do anything as they always stayed just a fraction outside the battlegroup's exclusion zone. Everyone knows the Soviets are there, just over the horizon, but they simply can't do anything about it.

It's also said the shadowing trawlers even fished out & went through any garbage thrown overboard from NATO ships to see if there's any intel that could be gathered from it.

Also, If your question meant if a patrol ship can essentially attack a civilian-looking ship to detain in order to investigate whether it's a spy ship, I think they can detain any suspicious ships, as long as it's caught inside territorial waters. If the spy ship manages to run away to International waters, then I think you can't chase them anymore.

But usually spy ship captains will almost never give any excuse for anyone to legally do anything to them. If a navy ship thinks a ship in International waters is a spy ship, I don't think there's anything they can do but give middle finger.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 5 2014, 01:33 AM