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zimhibikie
post Sep 25 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Sep 25 2014, 11:57 AM)
winnable if ram small puny ship  tongue.gif
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but then puny ship also carry 2 anti-ship missiles.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Sep 25 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 03:40 PM)
I'm happy if one day Malaysian Armed Forces have dedicated maritime patrol plane. 2nd hand P-3 Orion also nevermind.

As an small archipelago nation with the sea all around I really think Navy and maritime forces (including APMM) should be given top priority in defence budgeting.
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APMM budget used to come from PM dept. No more?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 24 2014, 06:42 PM)
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/?p=4898

Lambat betul TUDM bagi statement
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How they test fire anti-radiation missile? Put emitter on container barge? tq
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post Sep 25 2014, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:08 PM)
How they test fire anti-radiation missile? Put emitter on container barge? tq
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There's a statement from navy back few pages, said the emitter is a floating type most likely tethered on a balloon of somekind
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post Sep 25 2014, 12:37 PM

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post Sep 25 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 25 2014, 11:02 AM)
bigger than destroyer, yet armament still coastal patrol vessel level pun..
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No matter how much bigger is it, it's basically still a law-enforcement ship. So weaponry is not that important, especially when you expect only to encounter other coast guard ships. Big ship can carry more supplies and stay at sea longer. It is a patrol vessel,so there's advantage of being at at sea on patrol for a long time rather than being forced to go back to port constantly for resupply and refuel. Also there's word the ships will also have function as command and emergency resupply ship for CCG task forces.

Besides, 99.9% of coast guard duties (of any country,even China) doesn't involve ship-to-ship washing sessions with neighboring country's coast guard ships. Mostly they do boring stuff like chasing smugglers, rescuing fishing boats with dead engines or finding lost tourist boats who ran out of fuel.

At any case, a Coast guard ship is not a warship. If a warship is shooting at your coast guard ship, I think it can be regarded as an act of war. Anyway, if it does encounter an armed warship, it can always call any nearest PLAN warship for support.

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post Sep 25 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 25 2014, 12:56 PM)
No matter how much bigger is it, it's basically still a law-enforcement ship. So weaponry is not that important, especially when you expect only to encounter other coast guard ships. Big ship can carry more supplies and stay at sea longer. It is a patrol vessel,so there's advantage of being at at sea on patrol for a long time rather than being forced to go back to port constantly for resupply and refuel. Also there's word the ships will also have function as command and emergency resupply ship for CCG task forces.

Besides, 99.9% of coast guard duties (of any country,even China) doesn't involve ship-to-ship washing sessions with neighboring country's coast guard ships. Mostly they do boring stuff like chasing smugglers, rescuing fishing boats with dead engines or finding lost tourist boats who ran out of fuel.

At any case, a Coast guard ship is not a warship. If a warship is shooting at your coast guard ship, I think it can be regarded as an act of war. Anyway, if it does encounter an armed warship, it can always call any nearest PLAN warship for support.
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I was responding to a post saying the patrol vessel is bigger than a destroyer, thats all je la bro
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post Sep 25 2014, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 25 2014, 12:03 PM)
but then puny ship also carry 2 anti-ship missiles.. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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the DDGs all park behind, way way behind laugh.gif

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post Sep 25 2014, 07:22 PM

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Unlike Chinese coast guard ships, which are practically unarmed with only some light machineguns, Korean and Japanese coast guard ship are quite heavily armed for its job. Largest of these ships are the two 9,000 ton Shikishima-class Patrol Vessels (PLH-31 Shikishima and PLH-32 Akitsushima), which are armed with two 40mm cannons and two 20mm CIWS cannons in addition to carrying two helicopters. These ships are actually larger than most Navy destroyers.

The main duties of these ships is to escort ships carrying spent nuclear fuels from Japanese reactors to US and European nuclear disposal facilities.

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PLH-31 Shikishima patrol vessel

When the Chinese 12,000 ton coast guard ship comes out, I'd imagine them about the size of these ships but slightly bigger.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 25 2014, 12:56 PM)
No matter how much bigger is it, it's basically still a law-enforcement ship. So weaponry is not that important, especially when you expect only to encounter other coast guard ships. Big ship can carry more supplies and stay at sea longer. It is a patrol vessel,so there's advantage of being at at sea on patrol for a long time rather than being forced to go back to port constantly for resupply and refuel. Also there's word the ships will also have function as command and emergency resupply ship for CCG task forces.

Besides, 99.9% of coast guard duties (of any country,even China) doesn't involve ship-to-ship washing sessions with neighboring country's coast guard ships. Mostly they do boring stuff like chasing smugglers, rescuing fishing boats with dead engines or finding lost tourist boats who ran out of fuel.

At any case, a Coast guard ship is not a warship. If a warship is shooting at your coast guard ship, I think it can be regarded as an act of war. Anyway, if it does encounter an armed warship, it can always call any nearest PLAN warship for support.
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Bigger ship have advantage coastguard-to-coastguard fighting action, small coastguard ship scare to see bigger ship, event ram/collide with other ship also have advantage. china specially built it to fight with Japanese coast guard. for Vietnam, china use 5000 tons enough liao.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 25 2014, 07:22 PM)
Unlike Chinese coast guard ships, which are practically unarmed with only some light machineguns, Korean and Japanese coast guard ship are quite heavily armed for its job. Largest of these ships are the two 9,000 ton Shikishima-class Patrol Vessels (PLH-31 Shikishima and PLH-32 Akitsushima), which are armed with two 40mm cannons and two 20mm CIWS cannons in addition to carrying two helicopters. These ships are actually larger than most Navy destroyers.

The main duties of these ships is to escort ships carrying spent nuclear fuels from Japanese reactors to US and European nuclear disposal facilities.

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PLH-31 Shikishima patrol vessel

When the Chinese 12,000 ton coast guard ship comes out, I'd imagine them about the size of these ships but slightly bigger.
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chinese 12k ton coast guard ship will install 100mm Navy gun, 30/20mm will be install too.

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post Sep 25 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 24 2014, 10:31 AM)
Ex. Keris Strike 2014.

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Just notice the different way they hold their rifre (one like rambo one always pointed down). Not to mention eye protection are part of yanks army standard equipment

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 25 2014, 11:00 PM)
chinese 12k ton coast guard ship will install 100mm Navy gun, 30/20mm will be install too.
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Probably not,weapons load that would be seen by some as escalation (but perfectly OK when they do it.... whistling.gif ). I'm more interested in the electronics as I heard it will be installed with air search radar system of a frigate-class ship. Normally coast guard ships only installed with navigation & surface search radars only. That's why I'm convinced it will function as command ship for CCG task force.

Most likely weapons loadout will probably be one 57mm main gun & two 20mm autocannon plus some light machineguns.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 25 2014, 11:14 PM)
Probably not,weapons load that would be seen by some as escalation (but perfectly OK when they do it.... whistling.gif ). I'm more interested in the electronics as I heard it will be installed with air search radar system of a frigate-class ship. Normally coast guard ships only installed with navigation & surface search radars only. That's why I'm convinced it will function as command ship for CCG task force.

Most likely weapons loadout will probably be one 57mm main gun & two 20mm autocannon plus some light machineguns.
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i waiting too, newer some navigation & surface search radars also have air surveillance capability but short range mainly for helicopter/un-man Heli operation, guiding and landing (ofcouse track other object), usually around 5000 meter high + 30~70 knot range (depend model).

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France launches fresh Iraq strikes as country mourns hostage

France launched a fresh round of air strikes in Iraq on Thursday (Sep 25) and pledged more support for Syrian opposition forces as it upped its fight against Islamic State militants after the beheading of hostage Herve Gourdel.

PARIS: France launched a fresh round of air strikes in Iraq on Thursday (Sep 25) and pledged more support for Syrian opposition forces as it upped its fight against Islamic State militants after the beheading of hostage Herve Gourdel.

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President Francois Hollande pledged "determination, composure and vigilance" in the face of threats issued by IS militants sowing terror in Iraq and Syria, and announced flags nationwide would be flown at half-mast for three days from Friday to mourn the mountaineer's loss......

Paris opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq but was one of the first to sign up for an active role in the US-led campaign against the IS group. It has six Rafale fighter jets and just under 1,000 soldiers based in the United Arab Emirates, and on Friday carried out its first air strike on IS targets in Iraq, destroying a logistics depot....

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/...sh/1381418.html

Allies hit IS oil targets in Syria to choke 'network of death'

American, Saudi and Emirati warplanes hit oil installations in eastern Syria controlled by Islamic State militants, broadening the campaign they launched this week beyond military targets to economic assets.

The strikes against the refineries killed 14 militants but also left five civilians dead, including a child, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based monitoring group. The raids came as Obama urged leaders gathered at the UN General Assembly to join the coalition and convinced the Security Council to back a resolution aimed at stemming the flow of foreign fighters joining IS.

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Belgium and The Netherlands committed warplanes to Iraq and Britain said its parliament would vote Friday on following suit. "The United States of America will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death," Obama told the UN. "Today I ask the world to join in this effort."....

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More than 50 nations have joined the US-led coalition against IS, including key Arab states, and in recent days more countries have promised concrete military support. Joining France, Belgium and The Netherlands said they would each send six F-16 fighter bombers to take part in the air campaign in Iraq....

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/...ts/1381256.html
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QUOTE(minizian @ Sep 25 2014, 11:11 PM)
Just notice the different way they hold their rifre (one like rambo one always pointed down). Not to mention eye protection are part of yanks army standard equipment
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Thats how gun should be pointed & handled...... ready to shoot. In malaysia only special forces practice that because they were exposed to the best practise. Yang lain....koboi
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:08 PM)
How they test fire anti-radiation missile? Put emitter on container barge? tq
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A barge with a transmitter.....
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post Sep 26 2014, 08:12 AM

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A friend asked me last night at mamak : "eh, anti-radiation missile is like anti nuclear ah? " "No,why u say like that?", I asked him. He answered: "Wah, The name is anti-radiation, of course la it gets rid of radiation,like from nuclear."

I instantly went blink.gif

Sorry for OT story, here's some pics of a fat, happy fighter plane:

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Embraer delivers first batch of A-29 Super Tucanos to US Air Force

Embraer Brazil has delivered the first of 20 A-29 Super Tucanos bult for the US Air Force. The light attack/training turboprop plane is slated to be used by the US Air Force for operations and pilot training in Afghanistan after the proposed NATO withdrawal scheduled late 2014. The Super Tucano is equipped with two integral .50 caliber heavy machineguns and hardpoints that can carry up to 3,000lbs of ordnance which can include a variety of missiles, rockets and bombs.

The decision to buy the Super Tucanos have been initially met with resistance from local US aircraft manufacturers, with Beechcraft alleging the presence of irregularities with the bidding process but the decision made in early 2013 by the US DoD has confirmed the contract has been awarded to to Embraer Brazil, for the delivery of 20 airframes for the cost of $427 million USD. The airframes will be built locally, though, by Embraer Brazil and its US partner, Sierra Nevada Corporation, whose factory is located in Jacksonville, Florida.

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The new US Air Force A-29 Super Tucano is unveiled at a ceremony at the SNC factory at Jacksonville, Florida

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Front view of the new USAF A-29 Super Tucanos

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USAF pilots inspect the A-29 Super Tucano during the unveiling ceremony
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KFX to benefit from F-35 offsets

By: Greg Waldron Singapore
Source: Flightglobal.com
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In return for obtaining 40 Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, South Korea will receive technologies related to its long-planned KFX indigenous fighter programme.

Following Lockheed’s announcement on 24 September that Seoul was on the verge of signing an order for 40 F-35s, state news agencyYonhapquoted a spokesman from South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) as saying that the F-35 technologies will play a key role in KFX.

Under the F-35 deal – which will cover deliveries to run between 2018 and 2021 – Lockheed will transfer key fighter technologies from “17 sectors”, he says.

The DAPA spokesman adds that Seoul will build 120 KFX aircraft for deployment from 2025. South Korean officials indicate the fighter will be a twin-engined design that is more capable than advanced versions of the Lockheed F-16, but less capable than leading Western fighters such as the F-35.

Technology transfer was a major consideration in Seoul’s pursuit of a replacement for its McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantoms and Northrop F-5s under its F-X III requirement, which was ultimately won by the F-35.

Industry sources say Lockheed, Boeing and Eurofighter all offered attractive technology transfer packages during the contest. Boeing offered an upgraded version of its F-15E, dubbed the Silent Eagle, while Eurofighter offered the Typhoon.

At last year’s Seoul lnternational Aerospace & Defense Exhibition, Korea Aerospace Industries, which will likely build the new jet, displayed two models of the KFX, both of which bore low-observable characteristics reminiscent of the F-35.

The aircraft will be developed with help from Indonesia, which is a 20% partner in the programme.

The F-X III requirement was originally for 60 aircraft, but Seoul pared this back to 40, apparently for pricing concerns. It is believed Seoul will eventually buy another 20 F-35s to meet its initial requirement.


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