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MilitaryMadness
post Sep 24 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 24 2014, 09:40 AM)
actually our A400M total cost RM 3.5 Billion for 4 unit include maintanance, parts, traning pilot/maintaianance crew, simulators, accessories. 
around usd 260 million each.   A400M combine 3-in-1, Tactical/strategic/refueling mission into 1. (it can get more cheaper without refueling module/feature), hope one day we buy A330 MRTT too.

C-130J price include Maintenance/parts/Training/etc will up to 150 million too.

C-130J can't do strategic transportation, can't transport AV8, EC725, lite/medium amour, big truck, event 2 unit C-130 also no point.  also A400M have double C-130 range and speed up to 760km/h.

C-130J not in A400M level.
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Good point, but some people question whether Malaysian military doctrine currently have a need for Strategic transports? Sure, the capability to transport armored vehicles and other heavy equipment quickly by air is great, but currently our military doctrine doesn't include long-range movement of assets (i.e for overseas deployment, for example). Unless very drastic policy changes occur in the future, I don't think our military forces will ever venture out of the ASEAN region for military operations unless on special peacekeeping missions under UN (even then UN has its own assets for this).

Even distance between Peninsular with East Malaysia by ship is quite relatively short. For any deployments of heavy assets from the peninsular to Sabah & Sarawak I think transport by sea is still economical and effective, considering our modest defence budget.

Also, I don't think they consider the A400M as a Strategic transport. I hear a plane has to be capable of carrying at least 50 tons of cargo to be considered a Strategic transport.

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post Sep 24 2014, 10:31 AM

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Ex. Keris Strike 2014.

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U.S. and Malaysian Soldiers conduct patrols at Pacific Pathways exercise

PV2 Darrell Enger, 2nd Platoon, C. Company, 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, conducts a dismounted patrol with Malaysian Army Soldiers during Counter IED training at KDP, Malaysia, Sep. 20, during bilateral exercise Keris Strike 14. KS14 contributes to a regional peacekeeping capability in Asia, which in turn fosters important worldwide peacekeeping operations. (Photo by U.S. Army Sgt.1st Class Adora Gonzalez, 25th ID, Public Affairs)


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post Sep 24 2014, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 10:25 AM)
Good point, but some people question whether Malaysian military doctrine currently have a need for Strategic transports? Sure, the capability to transport armored vehicles and other heavy equipment quickly by air is great, but currently our military doctrine doesn't include long-range movement of assets (i.e for overseas deployment, for example). Unless very drastic policy changes occur in the future, I don't think our military forces will ever venture out of the ASEAN region for military operations unless on special peacekeeping missions under UN (even then UN has its own assets for this).

Even distance between Peninsular with East Malaysia by ship is quite relatively short. For any deployments of heavy assets from the peninsular to Sabah & Sarawak I think transport by sea is still economical and effective, considering our modest defence budget.
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The sulu invasion provides more proof that strategic airlifter is needed in dire times, and in peace times we also frequently participates in UN peacekeeping mission all over the world

A400M can even carry astros vehicle and heavy artillery pieces, as these regiments is solely based in the peninsular
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post Sep 24 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 24 2014, 10:39 AM)
The sulu invasion provides more proof that strategic airlifter is needed in dire times, and in peace times we also frequently participates in UN peacekeeping mission all over the world

A400M can even carry astros vehicle and heavy artillery pieces, as these regiments is solely based in the peninsular
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Who needs Airbus when you have Air Asia. laugh.gif
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On a more serious note, why is Malaysian army have very limited deployments in Sabah & Sarawak? Sorry if this issue has been discussed before & I may have missed it,but IMHO Borneo Island is way more geographically linked with countries we had serious beef in the past about territorial issues (Indonesia with their North Borneo and The Philippines with their Sabah Sulu Sultanate). Aren't these states theoretically in more danger than Peninsular Malaysia? Is this the result of Malaysia simply not having the logistical means or is some part of regional geo-political deals?

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post Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM

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Persoalannya kenapa aset strategik xditempatkan d sabah sarawak?
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Indonesian Army's newly arrived Leopard 2A4 tanks painted with the new tri-tone camo. (Photo by Kahfi Saikhu S).

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Looks like Company of Heroes concept Art.
Could be used as box cover for COH3 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM)
Persoalannya kenapa aset strategik xditempatkan d sabah sarawak?
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sebabnya aset army kita kekurangan, tak cukup letak di sabah/sarawak.

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM)
Persoalannya kenapa aset strategik xditempatkan d sabah sarawak?
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how many sign up for military?

pretty much we lack manpower than arsenal/equipment
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post Sep 24 2014, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 11:08 AM)
Who needs Airbus when you have Air Asia.  laugh.gif
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On a more serious note, why is Malaysian army have very limited deployments in Sabah & Sarawak? Sorry if this issue has been discussed before & I may have missed it,but IMHO Borneo Island is way more geographically linked with countries we had serious beef in the past about territorial issues (Indonesia with their North Borneo and The Philippines with their Sabah Sulu Sultanate). Aren't these states theoretically in more danger than Peninsular Malaysia? Is this the result of Malaysia simply not having the logistical means or is some part of regional geo-political deals?

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Commercial plane only can carry troop with basic weapon, other weapon/boms can't carry by commercial plane.
current army setup most is from 60~80an which Peninsular is in war with Communist. so consider danger than Sarawak/sabah.
that why Gov will setup new regimen in Lahat Latu.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 24 2014, 01:05 PM)
Commercial plane only can carry troop with basic weapon, other weapon/boms can't carry by commercial plane.
current army setup most is from 60~80an which Peninsular is in war with Communist. so consider danger than Sarawak/sabah.
that why Gov will setup new regimen in Lahat Latu.
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Hahaha JK only biggrin.gif

Anyway, as we've already switched to a conventional army from a COIN force, are there any chance for organizational & structural reforms in Malaysian military? IMHO it's long overdue, now new threats to Malaysian sovereignty is emerging from national forces, not insurgents.

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM)
Persoalannya kenapa aset strategik xditempatkan d sabah sarawak?
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Scorpene is the most advanced strategic platform placed in borneo....
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 11:08 AM)
Who needs Airbus when you have Air Asia.  laugh.gif
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On a more serious note, why is Malaysian army have very limited deployments in Sabah & Sarawak? Sorry if this issue has been discussed before & I may have missed it,but IMHO Borneo Island is way more geographically linked with countries we had serious beef in the past about territorial issues (Indonesia with their North Borneo and The Philippines with their Sabah Sulu Sultanate). Aren't these states theoretically in more danger than Peninsular Malaysia? Is this the result of Malaysia simply not having the logistical means or is some part of regional geo-political deals?

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The map is pretty outdated.
even way before ld standoff.
Anyway yes indeed there is imbalance of troop deployment.
mainly due to logistic and base.
these is pretty much what you get when you have limited budget.
currently there is huge changes in troop deployment in sabah.
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post Sep 24 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 10:25 AM)
Good point, but some people question whether Malaysian military doctrine currently have a need for Strategic transports? Sure, the capability to transport armored vehicles and other heavy equipment quickly by air is great, but currently our military doctrine doesn't include long-range movement of assets (i.e for overseas deployment, for example). Unless very drastic policy changes occur in the future, I don't think our military forces will ever venture out of the ASEAN region for military operations unless on special peacekeeping missions under UN (even then UN has its own assets for this).

Even distance between Peninsular with East Malaysia by ship is quite relatively short. For any deployments of heavy assets from the peninsular to Sabah & Sarawak I think transport by sea is still economical and effective, considering our modest defence budget.

Also, I don't think they consider the A400M as a Strategic transport. I hear a plane has to be capable of carrying at least 50 tons of cargo to be considered a Strategic transport.
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For real Strategic transport need to carry 65 tons, means objective is can carry Main Battle Tank (MBT) to worldwide. exp:C-17. but it can't do/limited tactical mission transportation.
A400M can carry all heavy amour/heavy artillery except MBT which enough for as for better support peacekeeping missions worldwide.
also with A400M we no need stop frequently to refuel went send supply to our peacekeeping team.
also military transportation between Peninsular/Sarawak/sabah more easy and good for logistic, distance if send with ship it take time, remember went army send 10 Adnan 300 to Lahat latu it take 8 days+ to reach.
Airforce said they happy with A400M bcos they have double C-130 load with double range.

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM)
Persoalannya kenapa aset strategik xditempatkan d sabah sarawak?
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Sebenarnya banyak asset strateik ditempatkan kat sabah dan sarawak tapi lebih kepada keep panda in watch.
Tapi sekarang dah ubah focus kepada esscom pula.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 11:08 AM)
Who needs Airbus when you have Air Asia.  laugh.gif
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On a more serious note, why is Malaysian army have very limited deployments in Sabah & Sarawak? Sorry if this issue has been discussed before & I may have missed it,but IMHO Borneo Island is way more geographically linked with countries we had serious beef in the past about territorial issues (Indonesia with their North Borneo and The Philippines with their Sabah Sulu Sultanate). Aren't these states theoretically in more danger than Peninsular Malaysia? Is this the result of Malaysia simply not having the logistical means or is some part of regional geo-political deals?

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Well, you have to look at the PGA bases too, as Police role are also vital in Sabah and Sarawak
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Features of JMSDF Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Airplane
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post Sep 24 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 02:39 PM)
Features of JMSDF Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Airplane
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hope one day we got P-8i ....
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hope one day we got P-8i  ....
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I'm happy if one day Malaysian Armed Forces have dedicated maritime patrol plane. 2nd hand P-3 Orion also nevermind.

As an small archipelago nation with the sea all around I really think Navy and maritime forces (including APMM) should be given top priority in defence budgeting.

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I'm happy if one day Malaysian Armed Forces have dedicated maritime patrol plane. 2nd hand P-3 Orion also nevermind.

As an small archipelago nation with the sea all around I really think Navy and maritime forces should be given top priority in defence budgeting.
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yes, got C-295 MPA or ATR72 MPA i also happy liao. P-3 too old plane liao
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