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post Oct 7 2014, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 6 2014, 11:59 PM)
you can see fac you give, got at lease 9m beam, some more old than FS56.... 9m is minimium accept now, newer go to 10m.
Gumdoksuri you can check my post on V12. it totally design suite use in South korea, overall design no suite to use in here, they got other design for SEA country if not wrong. event u can see aircond compressor in Gumdoksuri deck.
use France system no issue. thales have 2 system design, Euro or US weapon system. up to customer select.
Integration problem only for no top range shipbuilder, for first/2nd tier company is no problem,  actually our Kedah/Gowind class is use US std weapon system (both radar use is support US weapon).  offcouse some euro weapon is compatible to US weapon system like Exocet B3/VL-mica.
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Well according to their spokemen.
they do not have any problem modifying their Gumdoksuri class to meet our requirements and environments it can be done easily.
Though they proposed a much larger ship in response to the tldm rfp.
I hope tldm looking into the needs of fac ~500tonnage class as we badly needed it.

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post Oct 7 2014, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 09:57 AM)
Do u think if we buy fac will build in malaysia?? And how many u think will be suitable?? Replace all current fac at 1 to 1 ratio meaning around 20??
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Start small build in multiple batches.
let say 6-10units at a time.
I think we need at least 36-54 units to cover both peninsular and borneo.
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post Oct 7 2014, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 7 2014, 09:58 AM)
If u read up on Turkish-Kurdish relations, then it wont be that bizarre..Turkish army have been fighting the YPG Kurds for decades..
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Later they have to fight isis pula..
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post Oct 7 2014, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 7 2014, 10:04 AM)
maybe if IS dun encroach into turkey, then maybe no fight..even many foreign fighters went into Syria/Iraq thru Turkish borders..
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Not yet because they not strong enough.
if isis really attack turkey actually quite vulnerable as they can attack from outside and inside.
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post Oct 7 2014, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 7 2014, 03:50 PM)
agree, we need 500~600 tons+ FAC, but i think need to divided to FAC and patrol boat .... it is 2 different role and cost also huge different.
2nd, is hard to get 36~54 FAC event by batches due to cost too high for gov, FAC cost not much different to full weapon Corvette ship (cost 200~250 million usd). patrol boat cost just less than usd 100 million,  it can be same ship design with FAC spec and Patrol boat spec .

For Perdana & Handalan FAC --> total 8 unit to 12 unit new FAC 500~600 tons more idea cost for gov.
For Jerung  class  --> total 6 unit to at lease 24 unit new Patrol boat  with 2 High speed RIBs, low cost and can built in big quantity.
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I dun think the cost will be expensive.
building by batches are meant to make the whole procurement much affordable.
An 500tonnage fully weaponise would cost less than usd 100mil unless you are proposing to buy hamina class.
heck even a visby class cost around usd200mil each.
If you asking for a patrol vessel with rhib than ideally we go for samudera class.

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post Oct 7 2014, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 7 2014, 05:15 PM)
hamina price is long time ago, than is built by own finland company. so price is acceptable, for now export version at lease usd 150 mil for now.
also hamina only 250 tons, if wiki is correct, the endurance range only 500 nmi, no much can do for 500nmi event 1000 nmi range...
also RMN ask to replace fac, i think around 8~12 unit only.
samudera class is too bigger as patrol boat (1270 ton), offcouse it can use as patrol boat.

i got read a article not sure you read before,  Australia  Armidale Class Patrol Boat actually is project join Australia and Malaysia, malaysia will buy some quantity of this patrol boat, but at 2001/2002 Malaysia cancel to continue this project due to Economic crisis (no budget) AZ continue project until launch at 2007.
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Well I just stating my opinions we need 36-54 units will be enough to cover peninsular and borneo.
We need at least 12-18units for esscom 6-8 units for pulau layang-layang, bintulu 3-4units, that not yet include selat melaka and langkawi.
as for samudera I hoping it modified to carry uav like scan eagle and rhib mayb cb90s if we have the money.
Also there is no classification how big a patrol boat should.
Anyway it just a wishfil thinking of mine.

As for armidale class, yes we did join into the project but in then we pull out iinm as we favor kedah class thus armidale class cancel. It reopen in 1999.
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post Oct 7 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 06:11 PM)
Ya china even type 056 only 70m, build fac although malaysia cost higher than china but probably still will be quite low

Also patrol boat and fac maybe can use same ship platform??
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Usd70mil for the hull alone. Iinm.
weapons systems and sensors on differ contract.
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ Oct 9 2014, 10:25 AM)
and you think having local made, design rifle are source of national pride?

I rather have something more proven, well established rifle and have huge services support

hence the M4

if only we adopt SCAR rifle as standard rifle drool.gif
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G36 as standard rifle.


QUOTE(emanresu @ Oct 9 2014, 10:28 AM)
Msia can build the frame and shell of any military vehicles no problem. Hot form metal and shape into anything you like. Problem is how to make them move. Can proton do engine for ship, for jets, for submarines etc2.. thats the prob
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That really depend on the willingness to put in money for rnd in such tech.
Rnd is the best way for us to developed engineers and technology of our owned but that require lots of money.
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post Oct 10 2014, 06:24 PM

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Rm17.7bil for mindef
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post Oct 10 2014, 07:26 PM

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From the budget I dun put too much hope though.
sgpv and av8 will take a huge pie out of it.
maintenance I think it will easily around rm2bil+.
We should have around rm1bil+ to buy some stuff.
besides the current rmk already come to the end so dont expect much.
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post Oct 10 2014, 07:28 PM

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Another thing I wanna touch is esscom and esszone having double the budget is better than what I expected.
though realistic it is not enough.
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post Oct 10 2014, 07:33 PM

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Hmm, I wonder what kind of ship apmm will get. Rm393mil for 7 ship ain't much you know.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 10 2014, 07:35 PM)
Better than keep getting 30-40 year old ex-navy ships each year, which is the case before this budget. I don't think previous budget got any special provision for APMM buying new assets.
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Could be getting cb90s hmm.gif
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post Oct 10 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 10 2014, 07:46 PM)
I hope the special budget allocation can afford buy larger patrol boats, i.e 25-30 meters class fast boats.
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There is a bigger version of cb90s aka cb2010.
50tonnage and 24.1 meter lengths.
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post Oct 15 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 15 2014, 12:59 AM)
Is very annoying can buy $500 mil on Each Gowind, but can't afford $500mil for 2 LPD. feel is our Gov policy model make RMN poor.
some reason i thinking, 
1) Bcos our country prefer "more famous brand asset", sure price is high.
2) Bcos Gov policy always like local make means TOT/IP so price easy cost extra 25~50% and extra time to complete construction
3) Some military fans say RMN more prefer Military-Spec ship. no safe to operate civilian-spec ship
4) a good brand military-spec LPD will cost around at lease $200~300+ mil for 8k~10k tons LPD
5) Gowind and 8x8 used up a lot budget.
6) some fans say we can't buy value Military asset from Singapore/Indonesia/China due to politic reason, or there product is questionable on reliability.

as i said, procurement will pay over few year so not make cost too high.
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btw I dun think famous brand is what the government looking at.
if not we already have tons of german, england and us stuff.
As for china stuff it is best we avoid their high tier stuff first wait for them to build up their reputation.
I dun think we have problem in buying indonesia stuff.
singapore and israel yes a huge political hurdle is there.

Well as for me.
what our government military policy need to look at.

1. Look at the overall assets which have to urgently replace and which have to build on number and which have to trim off.
2. Looking at what our priority is in short term, mid term, long term and most of all which direction are we going to.
3. Review the entire procurment process what is the sop, bidder requirements,
what other benefits we are looking at - commercial tot? Military tot? Education development? Business, trades? And so on.
feasibility study is seem to be lacking of here. Av-8 is the best example here.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 15 2014, 01:31 PM)
A glaring need for a white paper, which our gomen either dunwan to consider or just forgets
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They probably have it under mkn.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 15 2014, 01:40 PM)
Probably, but we dun know that
White paper is generally accessible to the public
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Indeed.
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post Oct 16 2014, 06:12 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 15 2014, 08:49 PM)
Seven MMEA's newest patrol boat is dubbed as New Generation Patrol Craft (NGPC)

Spec wise:-
45 meter in length
7 days endurance
Space for 30 crew and 10 extra personnel
RHIB
30mm gun on RWS

More on [Malaysian Defence]
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You miss uav.
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Oct 16 2014, 09:28 AM)
UAV plus 30mm rws is pretty hardcore/overkill for a coast guard ship dun you think?

Well not that suprising since ex-rmn vessels still also retains their guns too
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It is scaneagle type of uav anyway.
I dun think it is overkill it help to increase the range of patrol and provide sufficient fire power.
I think these batch of patrolship are meant for hot area like esszone.
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post Oct 16 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 16 2014, 09:39 AM)
MMEA dapat UAV while RMN menagih sampai sekarang..  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Yup kesian tldm.
Gowind class originally plan come with the s-100 uav.
last minutes cancelled pula. Sigh.
they even did multiple flight test on the french gowind.
Anyway should try to put scaneagle on kedah class too.
shouldn't be too expensive rm70mil or less ia enough for all the 6 kedah class.

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