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post Oct 22 2014, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 22 2014, 10:35 PM)
Maybe when we become 1.2 trillion dollar economy in 2050 biggrin.gif

or we can invest a bit and buy the f20 tigershark plans from northrop grumman for cheap and build factory and hire skilled workers and build a more modern version of it, can replace f5 and hawks in large numbers and use as interceptor or sulu gunman bomber, even though its old at least can supersonic and carry guided anti ground missile, unlike current hawks, bomb sulu gunman then all miss tongue.gif , and also can intercept better than f5s, afterall its an upgrade of the f5

But still almost no chance of this happening, and any attempt will probably end up in billions of wasted money and/or lots of delays
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Nah,
1 thing I hope we are going into is having a cooperation with sukhoi and the russian for building a full scale mro center here and alsp having to build most of the spare parts.
That is if we are serious in aerospace industry.
I also prefer us opt for more commercial aviation industry.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 22 2014, 10:45 PM)
hahaha no chance, if current trend in Malaysian persists, we probably try build straight to Gen 4 fighter. No matter if we're actually capable or not. Aim big, baby!!  laugh.gif
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Unlikely the government like to get commercial airlines oem part contract.

also I dun really know you think av8 is so high tech. laugh.gif
it not hard at all to build.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Oct 22 2014, 11:03 PM)
Hopefully in the future, boustead naval shipyard will be capable to build FREMM class frigate( or something similar).
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That will be third generation pv.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 22 2014, 11:04 PM)
What happened to the irkut spare parts factory??
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Next years according to the news.
Not much update news on its.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 22 2014, 11:14 PM)
Is this the one rumored to be built in that military tech park in perak?
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Yeah but we all dun what is the status of the plant
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Oct 22 2014, 11:16 PM)
Don't let the bad publicity fool you. Iran actually have some quite advance weapon's development program. Unlike our government, Iranian government take this weapon's program very seriously. Maybe because of the constant threat of attack by the US.
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Yup
They have a well developed military industry.
They invest lots of money into its and yes threat from US really make them no choices.
the same for S.K and N.K.
in the communist insurgents era we do invest lots of money into military.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 22 2014, 11:28 PM)
I confess I actually don't know if Deftech is actually capable of building AV8 or not, maybe they really could. But as of right now, I still haven't seen them having designed/built any substantial military vehicles yet so I currently still doubt their technical and building skill & experience levels.

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Well these is the only way to push forward the industry.
Anyway I dun think it is hard anyway having manufacturing kits from fnss and training as well.
it is pretty easy but what hard is does deftech have the capability to cont developing more variant for the av8 on its own in the futures.
currently development is done by cooperation with the fnss and we use these opportunities to learn from them.
If the government just buy 1 batches than it will be a waste just like the meko.
It a shame that Boustead own design based on meko tech did not selected for sgpv.

We lacking of lots of thing in our military industry and there is one thing above all the hunger for success from both ggovernment and the military industry is rather lights.

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post Nov 1 2014, 03:27 PM

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These day it is darn hard to kill a morden ship with torpedo given all the counter measures available.
not only that the detection range of the ship have greately improve as well.
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post Nov 1 2014, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Nov 1 2014, 03:37 PM)
It's even harder to kill with ASM.
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Actually it is quite easy to kill with asm.
you just need to spam asm.
there is a limitation for fcs anyway.
There were also stealthy, sea skimming, agile and high speed type of asm under development. These new generation can reduce the response time greately.
scary stuff for navy imagines if you have only 10sec to counter the asm threat. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Nov 1 2014, 03:44 PM)
That would be similar to the use of G7es TV acoustic torpedo by U-boat in WW2....hit rate more than 50 percent.

But with modern torpedo.......

I think the procedure is to fire the torpedo with wire guided instruction to general area of the ships and then the torpedo switches to passive homing to approach the targets quietly...and when it gets quite close to the target...the wire is cut, the seeker becomes active and the torpedo swim at max speed to pursue the target....

Maybe LTZ could confirm whether this is true.....  smile.gif
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post Nov 1 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Nov 1 2014, 04:03 PM)
If you thinking about the mechanical scan radar, yes, there is limit. I think our Lekiu class only have that 2 fire control director on top of the bridge. So it can only guide 2 missiles simultaneously.

But with the modern AESA technology and ever increasing computing power, soon, even spamming all your missiles (8 on most frigate type ship) won't be enough. As far i know, only Russia and India are actively developing the supersonic ASM. Western countries seems uninterested in supersonic ASM. And US navy already withdrawn the Harpoons and the Anti-ship version of the Tomahawk missile from their submarines.
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Loled spam missile techniques usually use fighter jets or coastal battery.

French and brit are developing perseus missile.
US is developing LRASM
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post Nov 1 2014, 04:30 PM

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Currently all modern fcs have limitations.
they are all bound to maximum number of guiding missile to the incoming threats.
let say the fcs were only able to guides 4 missile at a times if incoming missile were 12missile. They can only counter 4 missile at a times. If they detect it far away then it wont be a problems.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 1 2014, 06:58 PM)
I thought more modern missiles like US SeaRAM and Standard-series missiles are essentially fire and forget bcoz they use IR seeker, not radar guidance?
As I understand they can fire at something as soon as they can detect and lock onto it, no need for radar guidance.
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detect and lock on is part of fcs function lol.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:51 PM)
not really,  rafale cost now after upgrade to F3 cost just like cost to F-18,  changing price just media own guest/report or by people critics Rafale and support EF , never got official. only contract time will know the price.
F/A-18 not cheap, specially after 2010, we can't compare to US navy price, because many item it buy separate to multiple contract. and it is a US own country national price. with F18 EF block3 now,more expensive. 1 more think more people question is how much US control on system and Ammunition like missile and bomb.

idea is buy other 8~10 unit F18 for Butterworth AB so total as 16~18 as a squadron, remember Hawk 208 will transfer to Labuan, so Butterworth AB now short of Jet for patrol. Ammunition can use back so cost purchasing can be reduce. later can re-load stock went needed。

and buy 18 rafale to replace Mig29 at kuantan. rafale now in process to integrated with Russia Ammunition and missile, so at future also can used back Mig29 Ammunition. at lease reduce amount on Ammunition cost。
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Fly away cost for latest version 18 sh around usd80mil.
Airframe around usd36mil.
2 engine around usd10mil.
radar and avionics around usd10mil.
support cost usd usd15mil-20mil

Its airframe it said to be improve in term of flight hours current estimated around 9170hours could be more on non-carrier operation.


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post Nov 4 2014, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 4 2014, 11:36 AM)
good too know info. TQ
Hopefully is  Block 3 spec if we buy.  biggrin.gif
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Advance super hornet is being offered for export included malaysia. They even try promote it in last LIMA.
the question is the government is willing to pay more for additional stuff?
I think we wont buy stealth weapons bay though.
cft very likely we would buy it.
Apg73 is no longer in production so we are getting apg79 for sure.
towed decoy depend on the budget.
Weapons package is what I'm worrying at.
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post Nov 10 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 10 2014, 12:11 PM)
Few years later? Dude, you're severely underestimating Chinese 'reverse-engineering' powers!  laugh.gif

Given China already has decent fighter planes, I don't see the need to buy another fighter plane from a foreign source just for the plane. Heck, I won't be surprised they bought the Sukhois just to dissect them for their tech.
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They still unable to copy the russian engine that capable of producing the same performance

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 11 2014, 02:58 AM)
something YAK-130/or its western variant M-346 is also designed and capable of doing

though m-346 is already used by our neighbor, which i think also a play a role of us looking into scorpian instead 

I guess the two seater and twin engine is still some our air force always want  laugh.gif
I hope the fly by wire is an added option, plus radar upgrade for wider coverage as well as more powerful engine with after burner option laugh.gif

BTw from top look nicely design but from front look like some fat side due to the air inlet protruding out  laugh.gif
our hawk i dont think will go out so soon.. still one good and cheap aircraft to operate
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Hawk is awesome.
I would love it been upgrade to have more deadly ground attack.
perhaps addin more gooding sensors to it as well.
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post Nov 11 2014, 08:19 AM

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post Nov 11 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Nov 11 2014, 11:20 AM)
But like everyone.. it old

It like asking an old horse to do more work although it a very good old work
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Lol.
New hawk come with modern avionics.
I would love it to have brimstone and hellfire in its weapons option.
Good option to use in esscom.
perhaps it can do surprisingly good tank hunting jobs.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 11 2014, 01:53 PM)
if want anti-tank/amour/Land target need to install Reconnaissance Pod and screen integration module at jet it cost other usd 3 million+ ....
that why not much training jet install it.
unless using ground army using lasar target for you.
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