hi guys~
it's me kerolz*********
kene bora2 last week until oct 17
so what did i miss arr?

maybe indo KCR-40 ?

You miss uav.

UAV plus 30mm rws is pretty hardcore/overkill for a coast guard ship dun you think?

Well not that suprising since ex-rmn vessels still also retains their guns too

It is scaneagle type of uav anyway.
I dun think it is overkill it help to increase the range of patrol and provide sufficient fire power.
I think these batch of patrolship are meant for hot area like esszone.

MMEA dapat UAV while RMN menagih sampai sekarang..

I think its quite nice..good firepower and with UAV, it will enhance surveillance area...

these Apam patrol vessels, got specially built containment area for offenders caught by them?

Yup kesian tldm.
Gowind class originally plan come with the s-100 uav.
last minutes cancelled pula. Sigh.
they even did multiple flight test on the french gowind.
Anyway should try to put scaneagle on kedah class too.
shouldn't be too expensive rm70mil or less ia enough for all the 6 kedah class.

Yeah, I think so too. The UAV is perfect for extending the detection range of the vessel but in view of the size of the patrol vessel, something like a double-mount .50 cal M2 HMG shielded mount on the forward and rear decks may sufficiently be heavy enough for its use.

The APMM are still a law-enforcement agency, not a military unit. Weapons are for self-defence against armed pirates or infiltrators, not for shootouts with other patrol boats.

scaneagle no much suitable use in so small patrol craft, size, not small launcher and recovery tools, also take alot space ( i means design space for it) , if frigate is ok bcos Helicopter room is big enought,
if really want UAV, Schiebel Camcopter S-100 more suitable, takeoff and landing just like Helicopter. store also easy. no launcher and recovery tool.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Oct 16 2014, 10:03 AM

Still too early to said that until we look at the actual design.
s-100 you need hangar and landing platforms

That depend on situation area patrol.
if the area patrol were hot zone like esszone than it is better to have heavier weapons.
if the area shipping zone without pirates than having a water cannon would nice for fire rescue mission.
if the area like selat melaka than some smg would be more than enough.

yes, wait to see design,
anyway i think for that small budget, i don't think the 45 meter patrol craft will have space to design extra space for UAV operation.
not only that the patrol craft also need design storage about 500 liter Aircraft fuel for use in UAV operation
S-100 just need small hanger/landing platform.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Oct 16 2014, 11:01 AM

I just hope PM can give good allocation to APMM each annual budget, so can buy new modern patrol ships each year.

People most of the time complain APMM not doing job in Esszone, but I think they are actually very overstretched covering all peninsular, sarawak and sabah coasts after taking over offshore patrols from marine police. Having forced to use old boats don't help one bit also.

If one see Malaysian map, we can see Malaysia has 2,700km of land borders but 4,650 km of coastline. That's nearly double the land borders. Perhaps this can make people realize how long the Malaysian sea borders are. That's not counting how big the EEZ that projects from the coastline also.



Wikipedia: Geography of Malaysia

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 16 2014, 11:32 AM

Well mmea need to replace lots of boats.
they also need lots of base and outpost to reduce the reponse time.
There is also the question of human resource available.
I do fell that they need to add in 1000 officer at least.

Adding new boats in phases should help. Obviously right now we can't replace on 1:1 basis, but introducing new boats and retiring old boats at a lower rate should help keep a sufficient number without losing too many boats, for example for every 2 boats introduced, APMM should retire 1 old boat. This should be reasonable.

Having too large a number of boats can be a drag on APMM because of increased servicing/upkeep time and cost, especially the older boats.

Biggest problem here is the possible overlapping of jurisdiction with Marine Police. Is this still a major problem?

Possible issue with overlap with RMN patrol.
also add new and bigger boats cost means operation cost also increasing (more fuel cost, logistic, official/crew cost) Gov need increase operation budget apmm too.
for new boat hope gov can provide budget to add new boat 3~4 unit each year for continue 10 year should be ok, apmm also need time to get/training officer and crew.

3-4 units per year that too slow to replace.
Should follow the current 7 ship per years would be nice.
I do think mmea need a 6 units large ship that can operate can high sea state.

yes， 7 will be nice, depend Gov budget,
anyway, need to divided to size, more easy to calculate procurement cost and operation cost,
for large ship, means 1000++ Tons？ for me, i'm sure yes, now days asean country coast guard ship is bigger and bigger,
we should have few large ship like 2k tons level, but still depend budget an gov policy. like damen maritime patrol ship （OPV) can operate in sea state 9, cost $100～150 mil

This post has been edited by waja2000: Oct 16 2014, 02:38 PM

Don't forget APMM will need more air assets as well to do a thorough job, especially patrol aircraft. Now 3 Dauphin helicopters & 2 Bombardier flying boat good for basic duties only. Need good aircraft for patrolling & SAR, right now no need big one like C-130, small light/medium aircraft should be ok for the time being.



This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 16 2014, 02:36 PM