Hey guys

I have been taking ON gold whey protein for the past few months, and it doesnt really bulk me up
my current weight is 66-68 kg (Before was 64kg-66kg) , height 178 cm
currently im thinking to switch to dymatize super mass or elite mass protein.
Which would be a better choice for me or any other brand?
Usually i will take this protein after workout.

Eat at calorie surplus to bulk up. Not which supplement to take.

You can switch to any brands of mass gainers or weight gainers and you'll still won't get any weight gain unless you understand what makes you gain weight in the first place.

yeah, i'm taking on whey gold standard and eat as much food as i can, gained 6 kg for the last 3 month (muscle not fat)

This post has been edited by samsgelvea: Aug 19 2014, 02:33 PM

how do u know its muscle not fat?

i'm not saying i'm not gaining fat at all but at least my chest, abdomen and thigh are bigger and I'm not gaining any belly fat, I just assume so

Really clap for you wei . 6KG muscle in 3 months, all based on "not gaining any belly fat" conclusion.

Please go read about TDEE, calorie sulprus, and deficit, bulking, cutting and LEARN BODYBUILDING BASICS!! and stop listening to your bros.

Seriously Malaysians and MASS GAINERS (mass bro mass). I so wanna slap the mass gainer out of you. Sad seeing my countrymen.

Education first bro, always educate yourself.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Aug 19 2014, 04:24 PM

^ok la whatever la

tall and muscular? u think its easy to be like The Rock? If you are shorter, you have higher chances

2.5 - 3 years of consistent training with good diet and maintain at 12~13% bodyfat after that.

A quick way to measure body fat/muscle mass for each body compartment is by using those commercial health scale.. Just purposely go to a commercial gym (should have one) and say u wanna take up their trial. they will intro you to the gym and let you assess ur body composition and print out the report for u free.. after a month or so just try at another gym for benchmarking again.

@Armesh I once gained 9kg when beginner stage in 3 months, out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer. And i have fortnightly report to track the progress. its possible at early stages

Pls learn proper facts. Pls don't spread broscience. Pls don't talk bullshit. Pls read research papers....

and most importantly, pls learn the proper way to track your progress.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Aug 26 2014, 06:08 PM

No, no and no. Just no. Research more please. EVerything you have said is just plain wrong. And i mean it in a polite way. And no, I don't trust body composition machines at commercial fitness centers.

Says the one who took some broscience from youtube who has made tons of assumptions that is based on bell curve. Dude almost everything on this earth runs on bell curve we know that. What that dude mentioned is a ball park based on 50th percentile, nothing amusing.

Save yourself lol dont even teach me how I track my progress.

If you have nothing good to say to TS just stfu and let him rot, instead adding up another useless post count.

http://exrx.net/Questions/MuscleMass.html

2nd last paragraph.



I think this method is way accurate than health scale in the gyms. Dont flame me bro. Correct me if im wrong. Im new to BB.

i don't think you understand the usage of bell curves. anyway, 6kg of muscle is not realistic in 3 months, a human body cannot gain that much unless you're on gear (including proper diet, workout routine, etc...). even if you're natural with proper diet and routine, it's biologically impossible.


and by the way you said that. mass gainers helped you (from your reply) , you clearly lack the knowledge of basic nutrition

For the record I aced my Further maths on statistics once, so dont start. Lean gains gets exponentially harder this we all know. Heck if we can get 2kg/month now we all be happy. The human body gains naturally an average of 2lb muscle a month with average to good routine nutrition etc. However, please take the effort to READ properly that when I was on my newbie stage of working out and bulking, I estimated 12lb lean gains out of ~19lb in 3 months. Doing full body compound movements that I have never done before indeed shock my body to accelerated growth. These times its easier to attain progressive overload, correct? 4lb is not uncommon for newb biology, perhaps you can put a blame on my genetics? Probably you will argue what was my methodology for tracking this 4? I honestly admit that I solely based on commercial gym scales reports; two piece of report for consistency each measurement, once a week. I did not measure using tapes. I have a mirror and cam to track myself too? I dont need to prove myself btw

Apart from this, information overload is bad. We see many fitness articles here and there contradicting one another. If it works for me but not you then sucks to be you. Most importantly I keep them simple and do whats works BEST for me.

Why mass gainer?

Normally those who have no problem gaining weight from eating everyday food will not understand how difficult it to be a skinny ectomorph who just can't cramp enough food into their small stomachs.

There's always a place for Weight Gainers/Mass Gainers in the life of an Skinny underweight person. They need all the help they can get in addition to their regular food. It provides high calories at inconvenient time and place and also won't overload their stomach too much.

After all they are just food supplements , not replacements. So why shoot them down for taking Mass Gainers.

While at it, why not tell all body builders as well to stop taking Whey Protein and get all their nutrition from regular food.

I'm an skinny small boned ecto who's been 55KG for since 14 and never seem to gain weigth. All i did was count calorie, eat 300 cal sulrprus... now after 4 months i'm 62 KG. All just basic maths.

About stuffing food, i just add some olive oil to my food. Whey protein is normally used due to it's fast digesting properties and it's highest quality protein.

Mass Gainers have Protein too. Only diff is they have added Carbs to provide the extra calories for Hard Gainers.

If Body Builders can take Whey Protein Supplement to speed up their progress, I don't see why it is any diff than a 'Hard Gainer' taking a Mass Gainer to speed up their progress. Each has it's purpose.

Btw, Good for you that you can eat extra food and put on weight without extra help. Nobody said you can't put on weight without supplements.

But if someone wants extra help from Mass Gainers, no one should shoot them down just because they themselves don't use it.

What's your height, btw. Just giving your weight at 55Kg does not mean much without giving your height

I'm 182cm. Tall lanky guy.

The problem is people don't know what are Mass Gainers... for their brains Mass=Muscle. And when they end up gaining 5kg in 2 months, they think it's muscle like the case seen in previous post in this thread.

Well, I don't think he exactly said that all he gained was muscle. He acknowledge part of it was fat as well.

There's no harm in gaining some fat especially when starting from a very light body weight. An ectomorph should be able to get rid of the extra fat once they up their exercise routine and stop their Mass Gainer as they reach a certain weight. But of course they must know when to stop the mass gainer by looking at the mirror for feedback.

They can eventually switch to Whey Protein to increase their muscle further and burn the extra fat off.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Aug 30 2014, 12:03 AM

Here's what you've said before


We understood that it's probably "newbie gains" , however the second bold-ed phrase, that's just inaccurate tracking based on how you measure ur progress (body measurement machine thingy). how sure are you that the machine is accurate ? It may be calibrated wrongly ? Perhaps the pictures and stuff would work. So by stating what you've said along with the "out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer" may mislead newbies in thinking that as long as they consume mass gainers, they'll gain that easily ? When calorie calculating (maintenance calories, calories needed for bulking/cutting etc..) is the main important factor one should know as their fundamental basics , ever thought of that? Perhaps it's not the mass gainers but the amount of calories you eat after all.

I've been gaining progress ever since, all i did was read the stickies, calculate my calories, stay consistent and repeat. And without mass gainers So to conclude this argument, if you have the extra money to spend on sugar shakes, then why not, afterall it's your money, your decision, your body, your goals.

This post has been edited by kshen: Aug 30 2014, 12:17 AM

Whey protein does not burn fat.

For an early 20's male teen ~1.7-1.8m 60-70kg with somewhat active lifestyle who has not worked out before, their daily energy expenditure average to about 2.6-2.8kcal. To bulk yes he needs to top maybe 400 cal above that daily. I have used mass gainer as a food supplement to aid me achieve my desired goal. You need to understand job nature/laziness and other factors may inhibit people from making proper food constantly. I know i can make a 1kcal mass shake by adding maybe peanut butter, milk, sugar and some whey. And yes perhaps I mislead by saying consuming mass gainer = muscle gain but clearly my after post did not implied that already. But sorry I do still insist on my ~6kg figure, and you can blame the machine is broken or whatever.

Going offtopic, yes the perception of consuming mass gainer is very strong amongst malaysians or perhaps east asians as we are borned frail in size. So the word 'mass' is somehow captivating for new smaller size gym-goers rather than first learning the basics of bulking, proper muscle growth, cutting blablabla. If they mistake mass gainer=muscle then its their fault. It wont take long before their belly comes out. But simply trashing 100% population who take mass gainers are the real losers who does not understand the basics itself. Alright my argument is concluded.

Agreed with the bold-ed statement, it's basically the nature of humans, they want quick results with minimal output of energy, which brings us here where majority rely too damn high on supplements as their sole source of muscle building. Their belly won't come out if they know what's their TDEE and caloric measurements Who says you have to make proper food to reach ur needed calories ? (disregarding cost-wise). it really comes down to different individuals IMO

Come on, I can't believe you can misinterpret my statement that way.

When I say burn off the extra fat, of course I don't mean the Whey Protein doing it. Burn off fat meant stop the Mass Gainer at the proper time and burn off the fat through his ongoing exercises.

The switch to Whey Protein is just to maintain or add to his lean muscle not to burn fat.

I don't understand you people who say "calories = calories" or "doesn't matter what you eat, all that count is calories" or "calories deficit = lose fat, calories surplus = gains" can get so butt hurt when ppl take mass gainer to reach their goal. I know majority of malaysian think mass = muscle growth but please don't assume all consumer think that way. I took 1packet ON Serious Mass in the past when I was busy with work. So damn convenience, 1scoop = 600cals. I gained 6kgs. I don't bother using the scaling machine in the gym. I gained in strength and size, I'm still skinny & I have six packs. That's all I ever need and care.

This post has been edited by Amedion: Aug 30 2014, 10:33 AM