Most probably only available at car dealer service center, I remembered seeing Hyundai advertised shell fully synthetic with W-30 grade before

Oil thinner and if frequent doing hard driving, no surprise the oil become water at 130'c and provides lesser protection to engine... Nowadays saw a few Honda insight hybrid starts emitting white smoke like those older car needing engine overhaul, could it be the effects of using xW20?

haha, expected oil guru sure will shoot me de. of coz some will said used oil analysis, paper proof etc.
does your oil temp reached 130'c and above during your hard driving?

meanwhile, just some personal experience, an old altis 1.8 with minor oil consumption, 1litre/4000km on 5w30 semi-synthetic oil, loves the engine's quick acceleration, silence, fuel saving (could attributed to low weight oil, which that time i amazed with). oil level has been monitored and kept above middle mark of min-max dipstick.

until one unfortunate day, sent car for suspension/undercarriage to expert/racer for advice. racer took the car, hard revving constantly for 6,000rpm (rev > gear upshift > slow down > rev > gear downshift) for around 15 mins. the next day engine begins to underpowered, breathless, noisy, stubborn to rev up. emitting constant klack klack klack like pre-detonation noise when driving above 80km/h. some foreman said timing chain noise, some said sludge on vvt-i system, some said conrod bearing noise, no definite answer from numerous foreman. ended up trade-in to prevent "possible" catastrophic engine failure requiring overhaul in future.
similar noise from other youtube user


would the thicker engine oil helps if it were on 10w40 during the hard drive? nobody knows.

My thought would be your engine is still too new to show up long term assessment of accumulated damages done such as scuffed bearing etc. Would be great if the mileage exceeding 250k km without needing an overhaul which this is the range of typical Malaysian' 15 years old car on the road.

yes. some manufacturer even stated engine life of 200,000km or 10 years without overhauling required..
so my initial intention after brief reading of the article douglas provided, would the engine oil provides protection after exceeding 130'c on xW-30 grade engine oil?
Temperature ( F )....Thickness
302...........................3
212..........................10
104..........................100
32..........................250 (rough estimate)

we all know on daily casual driving, oil temp around 100-110'c, the oil thickness still seems sufficient from above list, how about sudden hard driving with the oil thickness dropped to 3, does it still protect the engine?

This post has been edited by voscar: Dec 29 2016, 08:51 PM

if it's still protecting the engine, good then..
it was long time ago i read somewhere proton designed the campro's engine life 200,000km or 10 years without overhauling. Not sure if it's from online lotus magazine. back then the gen2's owners manual calling for 20w50 mineral engine oil to be used. (dino oil era)

This post has been edited by voscar: Dec 29 2016, 09:03 PM

What? just new year and i saw local-made pennzoil multi-vehicle ATF now selling at RM130/4 litre? That's crazy...
I last bought it on June 2015 is RM65.00 from direct Pennzoil warehouse (same bottle packaging). And yes, the instruction behind the bottle stating it's compatible with Mitsubishi SP-III ATF. Not sure why their new website layout didn't write that...
http://pennzoil.my/wp-content/uploads/2016...O-catalogue.pdf

But some reviewer on forum has mentioned it wasn't a fully-synthetic ATF, tho no problem as I didn't expecting synthetic ATF for this pricing...

Where do you from? If Klang valley the Pennzoil shah alam warehouse retail shop is open for outsider to purchase on Tuesday and Thursday. You can follow their Facebook to get promotion carnival info as those oils can be cheaper by 15-20 bucks during promotion.

A quick google will give you the answer
http://pennzoil.my/

This...
We have seen multivehicle fully-syn ATF on market...
Multi-CVT ATF AIO oil could be the world's first!

I assume conventional engine oil means mineral oil?
https://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9793464/01036

where can buy perodua green 0w20? last time i went their SC want to buy engine oil (to test their 5w30 semi-synthetic), but they require a Perodua car number plate and mileage in order to proceed, end up getting a friend's myvi number plate.. so much hassle.
maybe to buy the 0w20, i will need a bezza or axia number plate...

This post has been edited by voscar: Apr 17 2017, 07:31 PM

cheap fully-syn 0w20, consider using it on my gen2 campro to test, as nowadays mostly short distance using this car...

Too good to be true bro. My foreman friend told me Tes.. and Ae.. can get cheaper coming from their international market, yet still around 130-150 bucks. This is local company without presence in Europe, where do they get the source from? Sounds fishy.

So far seen shell, castrol engine oil product lineup selling in our market doesn't have API donut.
Those import from US or Europe different product line might have.

Good luck to your engine, your car mechanic will tell you, haha.

Are there any different on shell "pure plus logo"? Reflection/colour etc?
Last time saw some Russian forum doing comparison on the "pure plus logo" to identify counterfeit product. Couldn't locate it now...

Edited:
Found, just to share. Hope it's genuine and good for all :-)
https://www.drive2.com/l/8163555/
https://www.drive2.ru/l/6487352/

This post has been edited by voscar: May 7 2017, 12:18 AM

Good analysis, is the bottle cap seal like the genuine one on the photo? I see the counterfeit one very obvious gap between cap and seal...

Speaking of origin from Italy... Been saw many forum member saying the castrol magnatec semi synthetic selling at tesco were very very old stock because of API SL only. But I found the stamped date usually just few months back, which is quite new. Curiosity brought me to castrol Italy website, found their castrol magnatec having same bottle with our tesco selling, and it's API SL as well. So now we can guess tesco's castrol magnatec and shell helix ultra source are from Italy..

I don't understand why castrol selling at Italy still selling API SL while API SN is norm everywhere? Perhaps this castrol magnatec series is under "lower range" of their product line, just as those mineral oil 20w50 selling at our country with lower API SJ/API SG?

This post has been edited by voscar: May 7 2017, 09:08 AM

Just found cholesterol magnacrap on-off fully synthetic 5w30 selling 119 @ Disco Ara Damansara. Some might say it's base 3 not consider fully synthetic oil tho

I thought you stocked up Siham during 99 promo? Still can add more stock kah?
Yes I also interested to try that "on-off", but already bought Siham also so didn't buy that...