we fight for justice!! actually hope evrything go fair for evryone...

i do agree with you actually... i saw the replay. Probably staggy was not in the racing line as he was giving gkl room to overtake. We all know who is faster.... but poor staggy end up being crashed

This post has been edited by tycheah_7: Sep 19 2006, 03:41 AM

The thing is, we should be more like Kimi Raikkonen here:



See he lock up his brakes and yield to give let JP pass by?
He know if he did not yield, surely 'bang'.

In our F1C, driver behind just 'masuk' that corner (especially the inside line)
and they expect the driver in front on the outside line to yield and avoid him.

Like linkin mentioned, "this is not GT".

More like courtesy.
Like Edwin said a lot of times ago "...there are a lot of laps in a race. Try to overtake
in other corners or during pit stop strategy..."

Personnally to me, I want a fair fight for corners.
Rather use technique than silly kamikaze driving.
I'll follow them and push my driving to the limit...braking as late as possible.
The fight with Kei was the best I had so far in F1C.
If not because of fuel problem, surely I'll catch up.

I always felt that if the driver I'm fighting with driving crazily then I think I'm
better than them since they need to use dirty way to beat me.

That fight between Kimi and JP should be used by us as a reference.
The driver in front always has the priority when reaching the corner.
If that corner were wide...use technique.
But Sakhir 1st corner? Impossible.

Deduct points is better if the driver behind did a kamikaze driving.
Then they'll be careful next time.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 19 2006, 07:40 AM

not a best time for gkl to overtake..
big gap loh...enuf space to put 3 cars between da gap



just like adrian said..whos behind...

This post has been edited by ryugan: Sep 19 2006, 08:04 AM

This is another better way to investigate an incident

If that was me, I'm already ready to brake...brake when when reaching the 50M sign.

I guess some drivers just follow the car in front as close as possible and then brake.
So, disaster that is.

I need to watch that replay.
I was in that race
Did not notice that incident.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 19 2006, 08:14 AM

just have a nice sleep but here disaster...
well... here my explaination during in my race...

from my cockpit view and i brake at 100 sign board, actually is late brake for me, i should brake b4 100 sign board, but since i saw there have a gap enough for my car, i intended to run wider at the outerline if he take the inner line and i tried to hit the curb as well b4 cornering to avoid touch with staggy wheel by wheel... not said i intend to overtake at that corner, for tat cornering is totally impossible to overtake at tat line, only the inner line have 99% advantage... i tried to most inner line to attack the corner with edwin, result is edwin not able to overtake even he in the racing line... or this technique u can refer with prinze, i loss him at sepang bcos of this technique... somemore he at the right side of the race line, i dont know which way he will go, left or right? since he reached the 100 sign board and look like he have his line, then i make myself a space... tats all...

during i brake at 100 sign, he still at his line from the pic u all can see... but later suddenly he keep left at the most critical brake zone and during tat time i braking and hitting curb which is at the most left... from common sense and the logic of this game... lock the brake + turn doesnt effect much, this case will make u fly forward futher... tat why i brake hard at the straight line + hitting curb... or maybe i brake and turn to right and avoid him succefully, but later i stop at the corner or staggy bang me/i bang him when cornering, this case happen much in australia if not mistake...

if i hit staggy is 100% tailgating him, i admit 100% is my fault... perhaps if i start from the last grid, i may able to do the same accident again like this case?

tat alls my explanation...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Sep 19 2006, 09:01 AM

loh..its ok..dude..juz givin' out my opinion..no need to worry la...better watchout next time...not even u..me n other racer oso...

dats staggy's strategy i think....he wanna block u but end up like dat... poor staggy...

This post has been edited by ryugan: Sep 19 2006, 09:16 AM

actually he not intended to block me, bcos he tell me tat and tended to let me overtake at the 1st lap... refer the vcr again at the 1st lap, he tried to let me overtake twice i think which he using different line with me, in fact my car not enough power or i brake too much to avoid him when cornering... so tat time i thought he will use different line too since he tend to let me overtake...

if i really want to bang him or overtake harshly... i will bang him and at corner 14 (1st lap)... since he taking the inner line, i force to turn late, run wider and let him go thru... tat why i lost power and time...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Sep 19 2006, 09:20 AM

this is where you're wrong...braking zone for that 1st corner is 70-100m...50m would take staggy's wheels off together. Gkl83 didn't take staggy's wheels off...shows that he did brake much earlier. Maybe it wasn't enough, that's all.

Anyway you guys can see from the pic la...staggy was not on the racing line...if you forward a little...can see him going in front of gkl83.

oic.. ini kes bribe ni.. haha juz kidding..

staggy wanna let u go aaa..
so he din want to block u actually...but give u space/room for overtaking la?but end up like dat...

ooo ok..

for real F1 driver dat is block car strategy...but gkl83 stated b4 ..staggy wanna let him(gkl) go actually

This post has been edited by ryugan: Sep 19 2006, 09:31 AM

wah, you ar...ok fine...let's talk fact then. I see you did not bold fact 2 in my "reasons". How do you explain the sudden move right in front of gkl83 and brake hard for the corner?

And, the correct racing line is actually on the right, not left. You say staggy's car is on the left? Look properly dude, he's on the right...and its a right corner...not the racing line.

Even though it wasn't too far to the right, he gave enough racing space to gkl83 and suddenly decided to close it last minute.

If you're still not happy, why don't you give a penalty and let everyone vote and see if gkl83 deseves that penalty or not.

you....are acting more and more like Alonso...

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 19 2006, 09:31 AM

sigh......
jz let all the ppl vote for this case lah... to prove tat this case is fair enough without flaming each others.......

EDIT:
i wont mind to deduct mark if av1 agreed need more penalty on me... but i admit tat i brake late, bcos i should brake around 120m, but i brake at 100m tat time bcos tend to run wider like corner 14... if about race line, still doubt on it... bcos i saw my line there only dare to do it...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Sep 19 2006, 09:35 AM

I'm only seeing accusation from adrian without enough facts to give a "point penalty", so since he's not happy...we vote lo. Gkl83, you're not allowed to vote

Points penalty (what kind of penalty to be decided by Adrian *read the rules first*)
Agree:
Disagree: young_soul

in the future, edison_84 would be the one giving points penalty since I currently hold one of the most points in the board...might affect the final decision.

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 19 2006, 09:39 AM

my objective is, try to avoid all accidents especially 1st corner @ 1st lap.. even though you been overtook by others because u slow down at 1st corner, just be patience.. concentrate for another 20+ laps.. at the end WIN IN CLEAN! this is my own objective only

this is just 3rd round only.. all already fired up.. hehe... i'll not joining this fight and no comment at all..

kenny...sorry to tell u that i rly wont hesitate to bang u....be prepared for the 1st race to out!

bout the racing line...who got perfect geh?he is consider more to the left than right.....using keyboard u wan perfect lik f1?aduh...u tot we all kaya lik yus can buy momo or any wheel?

whr is edwin?i heard that he discuss wif u kenny?wanna ask his comment

I'm here !
looks like u guys hav a (not fair) penalty fight here...

Well, for my comment, honestly, i think is still gkl wrong, (sorry gkl, just my 2 cents), erm.. but wrong is wrong, have to see the overall 'how badly wrong' does he made. For this inccident i saw the vcr, i feel gkl is just late braking, as we know Bahrain always lack of brake power, so, if u want me to say how to decide on the penalty is very hard.

Let's say tat day racing in malaysia, i bang evo in last 1.5laps, i was infront, should hav claim my 1st win, but evo somehow giv me the wrong line to overlap him, so, i bang to him. Well, should i complain much n ask steward to giv penalty to evo? I dont think so lo, race is race, surely someone will get into some inccident that they wont wish maa. honestly i very very sad losing my 1st win but i just put it as a race (for fun), dont be so 'kira' to each other lo..

okie... 1 thing, why dont we decrease the damage multiply to lower, so wing will not so easily gone off, less ppl out of the race / DNF, they might just losing some position only, i not sure how bout the others la, but just a better (fair) to the person being bang.

yea, if can i wanna bang kenny too , he has score 'too many ' points liao!!

btw, how is my comment ha?
say liao = no say ar?

Dear F1C enthusiast... I'm very grateful that the stewards and fellow racers are reviewing the incident in a fair manner. However, after reading the content posted on the forum and with much speculations, theories and assumptions made... I would like to take the opportunity to make clear some of your theories so that we can enjoy the races to come moving forward.

GKL is correct with his comments that I did at multiple part of the track/lap moved out of the racing line to let him attempt an overtaking maneuver. This is done so as I'm very well aware that he has a faster car and drive than I do (this is a typical maneuver made by most F1 drivers in an uncompetitive car)

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, his straight-line speed was not sufficient to close the gap and take the opportunity to overtake me when given the chances.
Whilst giving him sufficient space on the straights was the main idea...However we it comes to taking the corner, I had to retake the best-line to ensure that I pass the corner safely. Hence, that is why I was not on the racing line, but when coming to a bend and seeing that gkl cannot overtake me, I moved in to the "best-line" to ensure that I can safely pass the bend to continue my lap.

I think this is when the incident between gkl and me happened at one of the corners. It is of course very unfortunate for me to end the race so soon as I was pretty sure that I could finish up with some points, but I guess that is racing for everyone. Things do happen... and it was not intentional on both my part or from gkl for the incident to happen. I strongly believed that gkl did not meant to take me out of the race by nudging the back on my car and therefore I strongly recommend to the stewards not to penalize him for the action and incident.

However, I do stress that it is important for everyone to take caution when it comes to making aggressive driving and/or maneuver so that everyone can have some fun in making it to the overall championship table/chart.

Thanks again to those who wanted to make our race clean and fair! Let's just move on to the next track and forget about the incident. I'm cool with it.

Btw, have we decided on the date and timing for the next event to accomodate our muslim friends who will be fasting for the month?

This post has been edited by staggy: Sep 19 2006, 01:20 PM

allrite! lets have a vote here weather gkl is guilty. For me im going with gkl found guilty Its always the back person's faulty causing the accident. Staggy was a sitting duck out there...

*looks like staggy responded while i was posting...

This post has been edited by tycheah_7: Sep 19 2006, 01:27 PM

i didnt mind abt the league mark if u all feel it is fair to deduct... and my mark is worth for incident, i willing to let go my mark...

but my action is not sengaja to take out staggy, i have my intention after the staggy using the race line's "specific line", tat why i use race line's other "specific line", at least wont tailgate tat can cause accident... but my intention not included he will keep left at 50 sign board bcos the 1st corner is turn right...

if i sengaja to take out staggy, it will be the similiar case for the M.Schumacher and Villeneuve collision at Jerez 1997... Schumacher lost all the point i think...