haha there's even noise at iso 100 to be honest on any sensor. you have to try the camera by yourself to see if the ISO improvement is good enough. but for sure it's going to be better than 450D.

yeap definitely usable at ISO 1600, even at ISO3200 it is still acceptable with some noise reduction and proper PP.

1800+ is overpriced imo, normal price should be around 1k. the STM feels so much better than the older version.

Basically it improves your stability when holding the camera. the shot is quite alright but underexposed.

where do you get the 1.8k price from? optics wise both of the versions are the same, just that the STM has a a lot faster focusing and quieter also.

very true, even my 5 years old nikon d7000 could easily beat the 70D's sensor

It's not "ori Canon" set, should be "local Canon" set. Comparing grey set to local set basically means you save few hundred but you lose warranty. Depends on if you need the warranty. To me so far I have no issues at all for my 4 bodies and 7 lenses even they don't have warranty.

just take good care of your gears and they should last for a long time no matter L lens or not

I would suggest the 24-105mm, unless you only wanted to shoot UWA. I am running both 10-20mm and 150mm lenses, I have to admit I do miss the range between 21-149mm sometimes.

12mm

hehe no money at the moment, got a new hobby

my target is to keep my gears under rm4k haha, so far still manage to do so.

i understand haha, i went from 28mm > 24mm > 15mm yet I still want to go wider sometimes.

pictures time?

yeah it's true. 6D is actually quite expensive when compared to both d600/610 and a7. but still canon has a lot of awesome lenses to hold some of the customers back.

nice

if you can recover the highlights the shot will look better imo.

just shoot with whatever you have

big big group people shooting a model?

oh lol the typical "more likes more win" kind of thing.

this kind of outing mostly is go yumcha talk talk shoot shoot abit and enjoy amoi one

well since it was unveiled today, a pretty disappointing product. using the same ancient 18mp sensor with worse AF than the m3. it looks terrible too compared to offerings from pana/sony/olympus/fuji, that means people who fancy small and good looking cameras won't even be interested with it.

and about the lens, good thing that it starts on 15mm, but end with a really small aperture at the telephoto. compared to olympus 14-42 pancake/ sony 16-50 pancake/ pana 12-32 pancake, this is a really weak lens.

i have no idea what is within canon's mind with all these overpriced yet unattractive cameras.

lol you answered yourself again.

even 100k also can spam a lot what, 5d power

i clocked 30-40k with my 550d in 3 years time before selling it haha.

haha upgrade la then if anything goes wrong

5D classic price still floating around 1.5-2k used even if it's such an old camera already

I think I am the mix of everything haha.

But the most common type of photographers around are probably gear collectors and online legends, more gears + more likes = better photographer

This post has been edited by mingyuyu: Oct 21 2015, 01:16 PM