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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD

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Jliew168
post Jun 18 2014, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 04:39 PM)
unrestricted foreign ownership of properties will bring along more problems than benefits.

There must be guidelines, restrictions, else, in long run, these foreigners will sweep up all the properties.

Australia & NZ are good examples.
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post Jun 18 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 04:34 PM)
Being a property investor, you want to limit your market to local Malaysians?
Foreigners are willing to pay more due to exchange rate and they are the ones that help in price appreciation.
In this new globalized world, most countries are open to foreign ownership.
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being an investor there is an even more reason for us to keep it to our local Malaysian.. Imagine you are an investor.. opening the market to foreigner is like opening the market to other ppl. We are already competing against each other and now to add on we have people who do not live in our soil who joined the bandwagon to reap the profit. it's bad.

Indeed our prop would appreciate faster but how long could it last? will it be sustainable? What we want is a consistency and gradual increase. Not spike or flukes which creates instability within the country.
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post Jun 18 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 04:34 PM)
Being a property investor, you want to limit your market to local Malaysians?
Foreigners are willing to pay more due to exchange rate and they are the ones that help in price appreciation.
In this new globalized world, most countries are open to foreign ownership.
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As an investor I believe we have many others creative way to make money.
Make money is good but cannot exchange with long term damage.
Only long term prosperity can secure our wealth
Anyway I agree sell high rise to foreigner at above certain price but not a landed property.

Even in globalised world we still Malaysian nothing can change those fact unless we strip our citizenship.
As a third generation on Malaysian chinese my root already here so I support any measure that benefit
Our country in long run. Open foreign ownership is ok but must regulate and not in massive scale.

Sabah is a good example. Due to selfishness of certain politician we tend to open citizenship to Filipino and Indonesian .
Migrant in longer term might be more than Malaysian and I doubt that time Sabah still belong to us.
Recent intrusion by sulu already one of the problem although this is not same case like johor.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 04:39 PM)
unrestricted foreign ownership of properties will bring along more problems than benefits.

There must be guidelines, restrictions, else, in long run, these foreigners will sweep up all the properties.

Australia & NZ are good examples.
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Where do you think the property boom in Malaysia ...well bascially worldwide came from?
It was from open market to foreign ownership. I would say they are mainly flippers.
When you enjoy price appreaciation in your prop from foreign ownership ... were you complaining?
C'mon ... be fair.


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post Jun 18 2014, 04:56 PM

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post Jun 18 2014, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 04:55 PM)
Where do you think the property boom in Malaysia ...well bascially worldwide came from?
It was from open market to foreign ownership. I would say they are mainly flippers.
When you enjoy price appreaciation in your prop from foreign ownership ... were you complaining?
C'mon ... be fair.
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I am not reaping any benefits from a Property Boom.

I buy for Long Term and for my future generations.

I do not need Hot Money from Outside to jack up prices to artifically high level

Think of the bigger picture, beyond your own personal gains,

Think about our future generations, Landed Property in Kajang above RM1 mln and starting salary at only RM3K

That's the road that we are headed
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The difference is China developers take up the loan to built; "Built first, then sell". In Malaysia; "Sell first, then Build".

In Malaysia, the risk go direct towards home owners. You lose more than just downpayment.
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 18 2014, 04:59 PM)
I am not reaping any benefits from a Property Boom.

I buy for Long Term and for my future generations.

I do not need Hot Money from Outside to jack up prices to artifically high level

Think of the bigger picture, beyond your own personal gains,

Think about our future generations, Landed Property in Kajang above RM1 mln and starting salary at only RM3K

That's the road that we are headed
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Developers are the one doing road shows and launches overseas to lure foreigners.
If there are no takers/buyer during launch by foreigners, do you think the development could have been a success/completion (VP)?

Not everything relies on what you need or don need.... or even your investment objectives. Others profit from it and continue to be so. .... rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 05:02 PM)
The difference is China developers take up the loan to built; "Built first, then sell". In Malaysia; "Sell first, then Build".

In Malaysia, the risk go direct towards home owners. You lose more than just downpayment.
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I didn't know China is build first then sell. After you comment, I google it and realised that sell first then build is not widely used in the world. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:30 PM)
I might be bias but whole development in Johor is so controversial to me.
First I don't like the idea selling massive land to foreigner. Some-more Johor is in border, selling landed to Singaporean equivalent to selling our country. Singapore will laugh as they buy land in Johor cheaper than they reclaimed the sea. This country belong to us for me not an inch of soil to sold to foreigner. Once sold we forever lost our soil. Modern money invasion. My opinion only condominium shroud be allow sell to foreigner. I feel so heartbreak if I see landed own by foreigner especially freehold 1.
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Land is by its nature neither limited nor valuable.

The vast majority of the land in Malaysia, and for that matter most of the land in Iskandar before development started, is undeveloped, undesirable and useless for anything besides agriculture and breeding mosquitoes.

However, land that people want to live and do business in, i.e. developed land with roads, jobs and other infrastructure is very very valuable.

The influx of foreign money and ensuing development is converting a lot of useless land into valuable land. The surrounding areas all benefit as well, and it's basically like manufacturing gold from sh*t by selling some of that shit to foreigners to develop.

Of course, as you mentioned earlier, if you generate too much valuable land too quickly you run the risk of creating oversupply and if prices rise too high, a bubble.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2014, 05:20 PM)
I didn't know China is build first then sell. After you comment, I google it and realised that sell first then build is not widely used in the world.  sweat.gif
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Now u know when Michael Yam tell u developer not much untung is truth or other wise.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jun 18 2014, 06:23 PM)
Now u know when Michael Yam tell u developer not much untung is truth or other wise..  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif I believe all Michael Yam story telling.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:30 PM)
I might be bias but whole development in Johor is so controversial to me.
First I don't like the idea selling massive land to foreigner. Some-more Johor is in border, selling landed to Singaporean equivalent to selling our country. Singapore will laugh as they buy land in Johor cheaper than they reclaimed the sea. This country belong to us for me not an inch of soil to sold to foreigner. Once sold we forever lost our soil. Modern money invasion. My opinion only condominium shroud be allow sell to foreigner. I feel so heartbreak if I see landed own by foreigner especially freehold 1.
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Foreigner should not be allowed to buy freehold land...full stop

But who listening whistling.gif


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post Jun 18 2014, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jun 18 2014, 06:27 PM)
Foreigner should not be allowed to buy freehold land...full stop

But who listening  whistling.gif
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Nobody listening, no doubt it is going to qiong again.
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QUOTE(kradun @ Jun 18 2014, 07:16 PM)
Nobody listening, no doubt it is going to qiong again.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2014, 05:56 PM)
Out of topic news for DDD to feel good:-
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I hear say from my friends who working with developer. They are offering permanent staff to become contract staff now due to slow sales. The benefits of contract staff are flexi working hours and last hear mainly ladies / mun to be took the offer. Iook like soon we will have 3 days off per week in kv soon.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 18 2014, 10:05 PM)
I hear say from my friends who working with developer. They are offering permanent staff to become contract staff now due to slow sales. The benefits of contract staff are flexi working hours and last hear mainly ladies / mun to be took the offer. Iook like soon we will have 3 days off per week in kv soon.
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Not surprising. Developer owes contractor Rm2mill ... can only afford to pay Rm400K only.
If this is the case, contractors may abandon project.
By the way, anybody wanna buy expensive/branded ladies watches... PM me.
The contractor gonna give me his wife's watches as payment for the stuff he took from me.... mad.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 18 2014, 10:05 PM)
I hear say from my friends who working with developer. They are offering permanent staff to become contract staff now due to slow sales. The benefits of contract staff are flexi working hours and last hear mainly ladies / mun to be took the offer. Iook like soon we will have 3 days off per week in kv soon.
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this is good move, beside cut cost to developer, the working mum can have more flexible working hour to take care their family, in long run less turnover, win win situation. our property market undoubted is going to qiong to another high by these firm support. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 11:17 PM)
Not surprising. Developer owes contractor Rm2mill ... can only afford to pay Rm400K only.
If this is the case, contractors may abandon project.
By the way, anybody wanna buy expensive/branded ladies watches... PM me.
The contractor gonna give me his wife's watches as payment for the stuff he took from me.... mad.gif
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Next the contractor might sell his house to you like 69% super cheap.

you huat lio lo thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 18 2014, 10:22 PM)
Next the contractor might sell  his house to you like 69% super cheap.

you huat lio lo thumbup.gif
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Not possible lor ...
These bloody contractors ...when got money, spend like crazy.
Now in deep shit also must maintain face ... said for business sake ... L@nc!ao la ....
That fella still driving his merz ... KNN lim peh only drive a Wira nia .... mad.gif

Question him why not give me HIS watches instead of wife's ... said must maintain muka when see clients wor..
Hutang keliling pingang these b@stards.

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