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cfa28
post Jun 16 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 16 2014, 11:25 AM)
How sure are u???  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif
Because your parent didnt buy for u then u think parents buying for kids very low??  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Vice versa, I think parents buying for kids these days are very high......  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Parents buying for their children is increasing cos Property is ever increasing making it very difficult for our future generation to buy properties, esp Landed.


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post Jun 16 2014, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 16 2014, 11:53 AM)
Statistically, 90% of parents couldn't afford to buy for their kids.
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if you are using Dept of Statistics, 80% of MY earn less than RM3K per mth

but majority of these folks are not in KV, Penang, JB, etc

You must focus on whet segment you are referring to

There re are Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics

For all intend and purpose, we are referring to Hot / Popular Spots and in these places, more and mope Parents are buying for their children.

Many are forgoing their own luxuries such as Cars, holidays by investing in Properties.
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 18 2014, 11:06 AM)
Believe it is consensus that;
New launch are priced at future price and sold out.
Subsale of older property is low in volume and price.

What does it implying?
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People want NEW cos

1) No need to renovate
2) No need to come out with Big DP
3) No need to move in immediately
4) Many sub-sales property are not well maintained

Ppl think too much why new sales are up and sub-sales down


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post Jun 18 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2014, 11:23 AM)
I think the important point is:-

People don't want to live with poor people in subsale area.

Imagine you pay RM600k and live with RM300k people. How you feel? Must be pretty awful I think.

That's why I believe nokomis that we need to find something unique.
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This I also agree.

My current place has doubled in value in 6-yrs

Based on today MV, more than 50% of my Bangsat neighbours will not be able to buy it already. Bangsat neighbours who simply park their cars, bikes and throw rubbish into the drains.

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 18 2014, 11:27 AM)
There is a whole train of reasons why people choose new sales vs sub sales but if this state is to be continued on a longer period, meaning :-

1. New sales will have to hold their purchases instead of easily disposing them off. Are they able to hold ? Fine if they can. Problems arise if they can't.

2. If they can't sell it off, their money is locked up, they can't possibly acquire further new sales.

Meaning it will come back to affect the volume of new sales too eventually.
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MY is still a young nation. Add Urban Migration, there is always strong demand for NEW housing

Plus more and more people wanna upgrade, they may not sell the old house but keep for Children / Investment

Also, REHDA is quite smart, they will not simply build what they think the market wants for new housing. Max is like 50% to 60%, to create artificially high demand and push up prices of new Housing.


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post Jun 18 2014, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 18 2014, 11:36 AM)
I hear you, valid points somewhat, but no need to renovate?
Points 2 and 3 may be correct up to a point. Some can't wait to move in, as opposed to keep paying rental on their current sucky stay. (what? wait for another 4 years! ANd even then you just hope and pray dev dun run away... ) Unless you are buying from reutable dev, which would then cost you like what? 750 - 900 PSF?

Point 4 is why some older property is sought after WHEN it is well maintained. I cant tell you how many VP props end up turning into a place out of a horror movie. Bad management and developers. And party, may be due to majority also bought it to FLIP or RENT, so don't care at all.

Older, well-maintained spots has it's charm too/
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Some new Landed comes with fully extended Wet Kitchen / Yard

Some Older Houses, esp those > 20-yrs may need extensive repairs but I agree, if u find an older well maintained house for the right price, it could be well worth it cos its cheaper than a new house being constructed
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post Jun 18 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2014, 11:42 AM)
Based on cfa28 reply, I stand firm on my opinion that paying rich neighborhood price for Bangsat neighbourhood is awful.
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you will always have Bangsat Neighbours everywhere.

Just think it does make you feel better that all your Bangsats are of the same class.

Cos if you pay RM600K, u wanna stay with RM600K bangsats and not RM100K Bnagsats (for very old neighborhoods)


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post Jun 18 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jun 18 2014, 12:20 PM)
Will a housing area which full of rubbish, bad security etc increase price from rm100k to rm600k? buy sub-sales also need to open eye big big mah
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Someone posted before in previous version, SSL in Setapak, RM700K

Someone some comes with only 1-bathroom

SSL in Bangsar also > RM1 mln

Those ppl probably bought below RM200K


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post Jun 18 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 04:09 PM)
Erm cannot buy landed la high rise still can la hahaha  biggrin.gif
No landed for foreigner is best policy  tongue.gif
Again this is personal opinion only  biggrin.gif
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Yep, agree. Landed above RM2 mln and restricted to only Semi-D / Bungalwos. No Link Houses for Foreigners

Condo, above RM1 mln and sq ft > 1,400 sq ft

Keep Bread & Butter Property for Malaysians



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post Jun 18 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 04:34 PM)
Being a property investor, you want to limit your market to local Malaysians?
Foreigners are willing to pay more due to exchange rate and they are the ones that help in price appreciation.
In this new globalized world, most countries are open to foreign ownership.
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unrestricted foreign ownership of properties will bring along more problems than benefits.

There must be guidelines, restrictions, else, in long run, these foreigners will sweep up all the properties.

Australia & NZ are good examples.


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post Jun 18 2014, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jun 18 2014, 04:55 PM)
Where do you think the property boom in Malaysia ...well bascially worldwide came from?
It was from open market to foreign ownership. I would say they are mainly flippers.
When you enjoy price appreaciation in your prop from foreign ownership ... were you complaining?
C'mon ... be fair.
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I am not reaping any benefits from a Property Boom.

I buy for Long Term and for my future generations.

I do not need Hot Money from Outside to jack up prices to artifically high level

Think of the bigger picture, beyond your own personal gains,

Think about our future generations, Landed Property in Kajang above RM1 mln and starting salary at only RM3K

That's the road that we are headed
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post Jun 19 2014, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 19 2014, 09:28 AM)
You "godify" or "witchify" these people. They cash out for various reasons unrelated to the ability to read the crystal ball.
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there is no place for sentiments in Biz. Its all about money.

If you offer Tan Sri Teh RM35++ per Public Bank Share, he will also sell


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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Jun 19 2014, 09:47 AM)
huh? Which developer doing the flexi-hours, contratual with it's staff? Can share share? Good to know for us la, so we knoow.
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Bro, flexi hours for most Company, esp Developers means PAY CUT


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post Jun 24 2014, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 24 2014, 04:18 PM)
"building wealth through homeownership is a fallacy" by robet schiller.
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Wealth is only created when u sell the Properties


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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 24 2014, 05:47 PM)
Wealth can in form of asset and property can be asset not nessary need to cash out.
Cash is just a figure of number that make u happy
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if Mr X is already in his 70s or 80s with no more money in the Bank but still living alone in his RM3 mln house and his kids don't visit him, give him any more allowance, is Mr X considered a wealthy man?

Wealth may exist in many forms but to realise it, it has to be in liquid form, accepted by others, etc

Cash is the best form of wealthy in my opinion but of course, my example is more drastic.


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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jun 24 2014, 06:35 PM)
No more money how to maintain the 3 millions house ??  hmm.gif

Holding a stagnant wealth is useless if can't be convert into useble form, eg give U 10kgs gold bar but not allowed to sell or trade, just look at it & polish it.. what for ?  doh.gif
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Market Value worth RM3 mln can be a very old Corner DSL in Bangsar.

Owner could have bough donkey years ago.

Your analogy holding on to Gold is like holding on to old House

Cannot feed yourself also no use
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post Jun 25 2014, 10:29 AM

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to all of you, i think this habit of comparing who has the BIGGEST D1CK should stop.

Please stop posting pictures of your SPA, Booking Form, etc

Most of you here DO NOT KNOW each other IRL and have no intention of doing so. Am I right?

So, why bother to prove that you have bought the Unit, You made so much money, etc

Because of this, this section is now in Kopitiam


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post Jul 22 2014, 11:02 AM

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From Meja Bulat to Serious Kopitiam to just Kopitiam

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