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 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market V7, UUU still trounced DDD

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SUSjolokia
post Jun 16 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 16 2014, 01:23 PM)
no la... normally pama juz put down payment. except ur born in mr lee, mr tan mr. yeoh family then yes lo... how many of them???
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No need Billionaire pama lah, i see some meat seller, small shop ownwer, businessman also buy 1 property for each of their kid, fully paid, renovated & furnished.

I notice some property launch in 2013 & Q1 2014 still can't finish selling, good location but price slight above average of that area, seem like buyer really picky, they will compare under construction with newly complete unit, no more die must buy, any garbage also people buy, 10-15% extra also they will give it a miss.

Market on 2nd half & GST doesn't look like going to have significant impact on market sentiment. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 16 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 16 2014, 04:05 PM)
I hav always says b4.... I'm not educated ah.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

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I believe U cool2.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jun 18 2014, 05:20 PM)
I didn't know China is build first then sell. After you comment, I google it and realised that sell first then build is not widely used in the world.  sweat.gif
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Now u know when Michael Yam tell u developer not much untung is truth or other wise.. laugh.gif
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post Jun 18 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 18 2014, 03:30 PM)
I might be bias but whole development in Johor is so controversial to me.
First I don't like the idea selling massive land to foreigner. Some-more Johor is in border, selling landed to Singaporean equivalent to selling our country. Singapore will laugh as they buy land in Johor cheaper than they reclaimed the sea. This country belong to us for me not an inch of soil to sold to foreigner. Once sold we forever lost our soil. Modern money invasion. My opinion only condominium shroud be allow sell to foreigner. I feel so heartbreak if I see landed own by foreigner especially freehold 1.
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Foreigner should not be allowed to buy freehold land...full stop

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post Jun 19 2014, 05:51 PM

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http://www.zaobao.com.sg/consumer/property...20140606-351299

http://www.zaobao.com.sg/consumer/property...20140619-356422

Singapore & China property boom down the drain, soon here cool2.gif
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post Jun 19 2014, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 19 2014, 05:52 PM)
bro bearbear, I told you dy, if you read this thread + work as repo man, you are not going to buy any property for the rest of your life  sad.gif
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If he listen to u all, he will bought one & suffer for the rest of his life, while u all launghing all the way to bank. whistling.gif
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post Jun 19 2014, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jun 19 2014, 06:43 PM)
Think another way, he bot 3 units earlier on and sold 2 now to pay the balance of 1. He already got a house with morgate free. So nice....
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He can tell u he bought a castle with croch swimming arroud the man made river, when u wanna visit him he'll ask his butler to drop a bridge for u to cross over, if u believe all these self declare property baron.. with keyboard. laugh.gif

Who know ? he might lived in Kg Chubadak. rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 20 2014, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(Mathew86 @ Jun 20 2014, 01:55 PM)
If your statement is true. No matter to people flipper as long they have holding power like me. As long I can maintain my service loan with 3 property , just a problem time takes longer to sell in next few years later . But also my loan tenure also decreased .  I don't see any problem as flipper still have property to hide inside when raining
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What so special about u ? Is ur father listed among top 40 richest malaysian ? or U r son of some Minister ? why ? u cannot loss job, get pay cut, business get into trouble, kena con & etc. whistling.gif

STRONG holding power laugh.gif

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post Jun 20 2014, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 20 2014, 03:20 PM)
I know people who have bought property
- over the phone without visiting the site, show room or know exact location.
- bought on first visit with cash.
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Remember the case of the fellow who bought a DSL but never visit the house, later found out some people lived inside the house for many years, when he try to cut electricity, but later the whole 50 members visit his house to "persude" him to re connect the power. tongue.gif
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post Jun 23 2014, 09:47 AM

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http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...under-pressure/

PETALING JAYA: Malaysia is seeing signs of a possible moderation in overall house prices, data from the central bank show.

The growth in the Malaysian House Price Index (MHPI) declined to 9.6% in the fourth quarter of 2013, compared with 12.2% a year earlier, according to Bank Negara.

This was the first time since the third quarter of 2011 that the MHPI was below 10%, and the improvements were recorded across most states and most types of dwelling.

It said sales and new launches slowed in the last quarter of 2013, possibly due to the various measures imposed to cool down the housing sector since 2010.





“It’s possibly due to the wait-and-see attitude of some developers and buyers following the prohibition on developer interest-bearing schemes in November last year, further increases in real property gains tax in January this year, higher minimum purchase price for houses by foreigners, and uncertainties regarding the potential impact of the goods and services tax,” Bank Negara said.

The central bank pointed out that there was no conclusive evidence of a housing bubble in the country. It added that analysts, rating agencies and international organisations, such as the International Monetary Fund, had lauded the pre-emptive and concerted measures taken by the Government and Bank Negara since November 2010 to curb excessive speculative activities in the domestic property market and promote a sustainable housing market. (See table)







It also said that the bulk of home purchases continued to be for own occupation or medium to long-term investment.

“This was corroborated by data that showed 84% of home loan borrowers only had one outstanding housing loan account,” it said in an email response to StarBiz.

The central bank said borrowers were less inclined to dispose of their properties in response to a downward movement in property prices as their loan repayment capacities were not depend on the home equity value or expected capital gains. This was considering the medium to long-term nature of their ownership and investment horizon.

This scenario could limit the potential for a sharp increase in default incidences and credit losses to banks in the event of a price correction in the property market.

Based on a single factor sensitivity analysis on the housing loan portfolio of banks with a stressed probability of default (PD) of up to 10% (about four times the current PD) and adverse correction in house prices of 40%, banks’ excess capital buffers stood at more than five times the estimated expected losses.

Bank Negara said although the MHPI had expanded annually by between 10% and 12% since 2011, outpacing income and rental growth, the rate of growth in house prices remained significantly below those observed in some neighbouring economies.

It pointed out that while elements and pockets of speculative activities were present, the upward pressure on house prices was largely explained by structural factors.

“Demand continues to outpace new supply of houses by a large margin, particularly in the low to medium-priced segments and in major employment centres,” it said.

Demographic factors, given Malaysia’s relatively young population and labour force, increasing urbanisation, and general inclination to own a house, are expected to sustain strong demand for affordable residential properties in major urban centres, likely outstripping supply over the near and medium-term.

“Part of the mismatch in the market was due to rising land prices and construction costs that increased the incentive for developers to build high-end properties where the margins are higher,” the central bank said.

On the part of the Government, a number of schemes have been introduced to increase the supply of and access to financing for the purchase of affordable housing via PR1MA, MyHome and My First Home schemes.

In addition, the National Housing Council was set up in 2014 to develop strategies and action plans in a holistic manner, coordinate legal aspects and property price mechanism, and ensure provision of homes in a more efficient and expeditious manner.

Bank Negara said the earlier Government measures had also resulted in reduced credit-fuelled speculative purchases of residential properties where the annual growth in the number of borrowers with three or more outstanding housing loans has declined substantially to about 4%, from a peak of 15.8% prior to the implementation of the measures, to account for only 3% of housing loan borrowers.

There are also improvements in banks’ housing loan portfolio quality and underwriting standards with impaired housing loans remaining low and stable at 1.4% of total bank loans to households (2013: 1.5%; 2012: 1.9%; 2011: 2.3%).

A similar trend was observed in the gross amount of impaired housing loans, which declined further to RM4.7bil from RM5bil at end-2013 (2012: RM5.4bil; 2011: RM6bil).

It said the proportion of outstanding housing loans with loan-to-value (LTV) ratio above 70% tapered to 46.6% (2012: 50.1%), providing a comfortable buffer for banks against a decline in the value of the underlying collateral relative to the outstanding amount of a housing loan in the event of defaults.

Banks have also demonstrated an increased rigour in the assessment of factors which support property valuations, such as the level of development in a specific location, population density, status of overhang, existing and potential demand, and the number and value of turnover of properties within the surrounding areas.

It was also observed that the lower margin of financing was applied by banks on new housing loans for properties in locations where price increases have been stronger. In the more recent period, valuations used for this purpose have excluded values inflated by incentives offered by developers to house purchasers, which can increase house prices by between 10% and 30% above the intrinsic values.

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post Jun 24 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 24 2014, 01:32 PM)
Most bbb/uuu are in wc betting and will bbb more after wc.
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They bet on Spain, England, after WC sure banyak Lelong.. laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jun 24 2014, 05:50 PM)
if Mr X is already in his 70s or 80s with no more money in the Bank but still living alone in his RM3 mln house and his kids don't visit him, give him any more allowance, is Mr X considered a wealthy man?

Wealth may exist in many forms but to realise it, it has to be in liquid form, accepted by others, etc

Cash is the best form of wealthy in my opinion but of course, my example is more drastic.
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No more money how to maintain the 3 millions house ?? hmm.gif

Holding a stagnant wealth is useless if can't be convert into useble form, eg give U 10kgs gold bar but not allowed to sell or trade, just look at it & polish it.. what for ? doh.gif
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post Jul 5 2014, 04:21 PM

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Went to see a property recently, sales told me only few units available, kindof expensive, 2 weeks later she text me many bank loan rejected units available, price very much cheaper.. lol
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post Jul 5 2014, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 5 2014, 05:58 PM)
Can buy or not??? Or got to wait till when? Can letme know where as I am keen.
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Can buy, but i wanna sapu myself, so cannot share..lol
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post Jul 5 2014, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 5 2014, 08:30 PM)
Sapu??? U want to buy all ah? U must have deeper pockets than zuiko n Doctor.....

one unit also cannot leave to me ah...
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Buy One only lah, but reviewed what i am targetting in lyn is kamikaze mah, a lot of big sharks here, later out bit me how ? cry.gif ...lol



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post Jul 6 2014, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 6 2014, 09:24 AM)
A solution to exit recession partly caused by high household debt is high inflation and currency devaluation. USD1 was MYR2.5 before 1997, MYR devalued before, it could happen again.
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Don't argue with senior citizens ! just let them lived a happy life...lol

Agreed RMB is risings fast & our oil is depleting fast.
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post Jul 6 2014, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 6 2014, 02:58 AM)
looks like second half will be another tough record:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...l-that-bad-but/

Published: Saturday July 5, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Saturday July 5, 2014 MYT 9:12:17 PM
A slowdown is not all that bad but ...
by m. shanmugam

WHEN the going is still fairly good, nobody likes a prophet of doom.
But these days, almost every conversation with bankers, developers and various businessmen ends with that sinking feeling of the economy going into a slowdown
in the second half of the year.
Economists are already predicting a slower second half for Malaysia. We are not going to see the 6.2% kind of growth in the economy that we had witnessed in the first quarter.
Bank Negara has predicted a gross domestic product (GDP) growth of between 4.5% and 5.5% for 2014, while economists are looking at something that is closer to 5%.
The exuberance in the property sector is dissipating.
Some 18 months ago, even scrap metal dealers, who make a killing from the volatility in their piranha-infested world, were talking about building high-end residential dwellings that they felt brought them higher returns. Now, however, there is less talk on property development, not to mention the reduced number of new launches.
The global stock markets are all at their peaks, including Malaysia, but talk to any remisier in town and they are not elated.
The feeling is not anything like the 1993 Bull Run or anywhere near the bullish sentiment felt during the recovery in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis in the United States.
The smart money has left most emerging markets and is finding its way into countries that offer better value such as Hong Kong
, where valuations are undemanding, and fixed assets in the United States, where property yields are averaging 10% net.
But really, a slowdown is not all that bad. It allows for some breathing space to correct the fundamental flaws of the economy due to the inflow of cheap funds into emerging economies.

Let’s be frank. Anyone who was expecting house prices in general to keep on rising must be living in a fantasy world.

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Bear2 u don't tipu hah ! i just read Chinese newspaper a developer columnists wrote, don't wait, buy now as property price not going to come down, see how thoughtful of developer to tell people buy from them now at cheaper price rather than pay higher price next year...lol
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 8 2014, 08:21 AM)
Boss, do you think the FD rates will increase also ? I forgot last time OPR increase, the FD rate increase or not

I have a few FD maturing tomorrow. Ngam ngam 1 day before announcement. Renew of wait for the announcement ?
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No it will not increase, just take out all your saving hantam property in Bukit Beruntung. laugh.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 7 2014, 06:34 PM)
Whatever phase comes, we sure can weather thru lar...97/98 crisis come, those DDD pessimistic camp's father got jump from 14th floor meh??? Still surviving right???

if big crisis comes, majority cant afford to pay loan, bank may adjust the loan structure so not to cause a major collapse n default which in return may bring down the bank too since we have keep on talking what home loan ratio is 80-90% of GDP...
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No ! The UUU camper father jumps, that why now they have no burden to taken care thier old folks, can hantam all money in property. cool2.gif

U never been thru late 90's crisis ? what u said is totally different from what happened then. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 8 2014, 04:43 PM)
What is different????
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Many people bankrupt, many people cabut, many people hang/jump/cut themself, many when koo.koo.. laugh.gif

Many people house/shop kena lelong, very bad situation.

Young boy like U only read from internet where cold hard truth often omitted. rolleyes.gif

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