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post Jun 15 2014, 12:35 PM, updated 9y ago

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Well, I shall re-open a new thread special for STPM students for year 2014/2015!

As I am just starting a new school life in Form 6 this year, so I can't share any of my experience regarding form 6! flex.gif

Form 6 is gonna be tough and challenging, so this may be the biggest challenges I face in my whole life! cool.gif

To survive (and score) in this one and a half year, therefore I need some advises and experiences regarding this. icon_question.gif

Anyone who are studying in Form 6 right now, or those STPM graduates can give some two cents here! Any helpful comments are welcomed! rclxms.gif


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Great! A new thread for the Form 6 batch of 2014/2015, let's put it to good use. thumbup.gif

Anyway, scgoh123, have you been informed of when you'll be taking your STPM Tem 1 Trial? Mine is around in the month of September, which is approximately 2.5 months left from now on. Not to mention that I've got lot's of brush up to do for my English in MUET.....

Particularly for MUET, I found out that this model test papers prove to be quite efficient when you want to put your understanding and mettle in English to the test. The publisher for it is 'Ilmu Bakti':


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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jun 15 2014, 01:00 PM)
Great! A new thread for the Form 6 batch of 2014/2015, let's put it to good use. thumbup.gif

Anyway, scgoh123, have you been informed of when you'll be taking your STPM Tem 1 Trial? Mine is around in the month of September, which is approximately 2.5 months left from now on. Not to mention that I've got lot's of brush up to do for my English in MUET.....

Particularly for MUET, I found out that this model test papers prove to be quite efficient when you want to put your understanding and mettle in English to the test. The publisher for it is 'Ilmu Bakti':
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How's Further Maths, Maths and Physics going for you.
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I'm in 2014/2015 STPM batch as well. Just one question here... How R u guys' teachers? And how do you cope with teachers who don't teach well? Thanks a lot.
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jun 15 2014, 12:35 PM)
Well, I shall re-open a new thread special for STPM students for year 2014/2015!

As I am just starting a new school life in Form 6 this year, so I can't share any of my experience regarding form 6!  flex.gif

Form 6 is gonna be tough and challenging, so this may be the biggest challenges I face in my whole life!  cool.gif

To survive (and score) in this one and a half year, therefore I need some advises and experiences regarding this.  icon_question.gif

Anyone who are studying in Form 6 right now, or those STPM graduates can give some two cents here! Any helpful comments are welcomed!  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(maximR @ Jun 15 2014, 03:14 PM)
How's Further Maths, Maths and Physics going for you.
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I don't officially undertake Further Maths as 5th subject for my STPM due to it's overwhelmingly complex nature of it's syllabus and contents. But, I did managed to print out several chapters and materials that are related to it from the e-books and personally study them from time to time.

For the first Term of Further Maths, I only printed most of the contents(but not entirely) from the book: Discrete Maths and Its Applications by Kenneth Rosen. But, another book (Discrete Mathematics with Applications by Susanna S. Epp) is really good too if you ask me, but I rarely use it.

Further Maths
My progress in Further Maths Term 1 is very slow if you ask me, as I'm still having trouble with with the Rules of Interference, and translating expressions with nested quantifiers into an English statement can prove to be a tough nut to crack. Nested Quantifiers is not too bad either. I feel that I'm quite alright with the rest of subtopics under Logic.

For topics under Proofs, I'm just starting to learn on how to prove a biconditional statement and contradiction. You'll also get exposed to many types of proofs, like Exhaustive Proof, Proof by Cases, Uniqueness Proof...... I haven't delve further into them just yet, so my insight on these subtopics are rather superficial.

Maths T
So far, so good. I've fathom lots of concepts so far in Chapter 1, it's just that I lack lots of practice. Need to brush up on my Trigonometry(especially the compound-angle and double-angle formulae).. At the same time, I'm trying to familiarized myself with answering questions that require binomial expansion in Chapter 2. I've completed Chapter 3 before I went to NS, and I reckon that it's the easiest(not too easy, it's still complicated in some other ways) chapter of all, yet I need to train myself to quickly find the answers/inverse matrix when I'm using the ERO or Gaussian Elimination though.

In Chapter 4, I'm ok with most of the subtopics, except for the part in de Moivre's theorem. I need plenty of time to digest it. As of now, I'm mainly slow when it comes to answering certain questions in Math and that seems to be my main weakness. I must complete lots of questions and exercises if I wanna improve my Math.

Physics
Nothing much to say about my progress in this subject, except for the fact that it's extremely slow and that I might wanna picking up some speed if I wanted to finish the whole 1st Term syllabus before the month of September. And just like Maths T, I need ample of time to do tonnes and tonnes of questions in order to familiarized myself with the format of the question and to grasp some concepts, especially when it comes to projectiles...

So, that pretty much summed it up.

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Wow, great thread! Keep it up, guys! I'm a STPM 2013 graduate, and I have only one advice: Appreciate what you're going through. Form 6 is so far the best thing I have lived in my life. biggrin.gif
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Oops, I'm in Humanities (Kemanusiaan) not Science. But still, we're facing STPM~ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jun 15 2014, 04:16 PM)
I'm in 2014/2015 STPM batch as well. Just one question here... How R u guys' teachers? And how do you cope with teachers who don't teach well? Thanks a lot.
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It's only been a month since I commenced my First Term STPM, so I can't really say much about my teachers.

But from what I can see hitherto, I fond of the way my Chemistry teacher teaches her students. She knows really well on anything that she's trying to convey to her students and she'd love to go beyond that just to show us that there's more to STPM Chemistry. And based on her experiences, she's a veteran of that subject in my school.

My Math T teacher is quite alright, neither extremely superb nor too poor. But, she often clings on to her own teaching notes/books and she seemed hesitate to budge from it....

Nothing much for my Physics and PA teacher, due to the fact that I seldom meet them before the holidays.

Well to be frank, you don't really need to depend on your class teacher all the times. This is STPM we're talking about, hence independent plays an essential role in order for us to learn all the subjects/materials by ourselves if we can't follow up with the unpleasant teaching methods of some teachers.

But, I believe that most of the Form 6 teachers don't teach too badly though, and having said that, you might wanna try to learn something firsthand before you enter the class. And that if you have any doubts or question, just ask them.
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QUOTE(stickmanchong17 @ Jun 15 2014, 06:07 PM)
Oops, I'm in Humanities (Kemanusiaan) not Science. But still, we're facing STPM~  tongue.gif
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It doesn't really matter if you're in Humanities or Science stream, as long as we're waging war to ace the STPM exams, we're all comrades with one same goal. smile.gif
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post Jun 15 2014, 08:34 PM

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I'm also in Form 6 this year. I choose Humanities because I suck at Science. blush.gif A question; how do you guys study in class? Did you guys take any note or just listen?

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post Jun 15 2014, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jun 15 2014, 02:00 PM)
Great! A new thread for the Form 6 batch of 2014/2015, let's put it to good use. thumbup.gif

Anyway, scgoh123, have you been informed of when you'll be taking your STPM Tem 1 Trial?
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Nope, instead I was informed that school monthly test is going to start on July. rclxub.gif

@RED-HAIR-SHANKS BTW can I know where are you studying now?
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post Jun 15 2014, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(WanHuz @ Jun 15 2014, 09:34 PM)
I'm also in Form 6 this year. I choose Humanities because I suck at Science.  blush.gif  A question; how do you guys study in class? Did you guys take any note or just listen?
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Humanities is pretty much more easier than Science, provided that you study consistently.

If you do not understand certain part of teacher's lectures, just ask.

Sometimes taking notes will help in revision later on. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 15 2014, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jun 15 2014, 09:05 PM)
It doesn't really matter if you're in Humanities or Science stream, as long as we're waging war to ace the STPM exams, we're all comrades with one same goal. smile.gif
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post Jun 15 2014, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(maximR @ Jun 15 2014, 04:14 PM)
How's Further Maths, Maths and Physics going for you.
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Just two cents from me.

My school does not offer package for Further Maths, and the teachers keep discouraging us from taking any extra subjects because of the workload.........

For Maths T, you need to have a clear picture on what you studied in Form 4 and form 5 because those concepts will be used in answering questions. And teachers will be expecting you have mastered all the things in Form 4 and Form 5. And Maths T is a very HUGE GAP between the fundamental maths and add maths we are learning now.

For Physics, it's also a very HUGE GAP. what you learn not necessarily correct in Form 6. Be extremely specific and accurate in answering questions because those examiners will like picking bones in an egg (Chinese proverb)


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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jun 15 2014, 08:52 PM)
Just two cents from me.

My school does not offer package for Further Maths, and the teachers keep discouraging us from taking any extra subjects because of the workload.........

For Maths T, you need to have a clear picture on what you studied in Form 4 and form 5 because those concepts will be used in answering questions. And teachers will be expecting you have mastered all the things in Form 4 and Form 5. And Maths T is a very HUGE GAP between the fundamental maths and add maths we are learning now.

For Physics, it's also a very HUGE GAP. what you learn not necessarily correct in Form 6. Be extremely specific and accurate in answering questions because those examiners will like picking bones in an egg (Chinese proverb)
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Seems like you are on the right track ha. laugh.gif
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post Jun 15 2014, 08:57 PM

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Just asking:
If you got offered to pursue a degree in teaching at IPG (Institut Pengajian Guru), will you go?


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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jun 15 2014, 08:44 PM)
Nope, instead I was informed that school monthly test is going to start on July.  rclxub.gif

@RED-HAIR-SHANKS BTW can I know where are you studying now?
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Hello! I am STPM 2014/2015 batch . I got the offer to study Diploma teknologi Kejuruteraan elektrik in UTHM, but I think i am gonna continue my Form Six.

Btw, I take Bio,Maths T, Chemi, and PA.

Can anyone share with us the way you learning these subjects efficiently? tongue.gif(My Add Maths and Chemi not so good , I don't have strong foundation in these two subjects, manage to get an A in add math and but B+ IN Chemi ! cry.gif )

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QUOTE(WanHuz @ Jun 15 2014, 08:34 PM)
I'm also in Form 6 this year. I choose Humanities because I suck at Science.  blush.gif  A question; how do you guys study in class? Did you guys take any note or just listen?
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QUOTE(Joelyn @ Jun 16 2014, 04:32 PM)
Hello! I am STPM 2014/2015 batch . I got the offer to study Diploma teknologi Kejuruteraan elektrik in UTHM, but I think i am gonna continue my Form Six.

Btw, I take Bio,Maths T, Chemi, and PA.

Can anyone share with us the way you learning these subjects efficiently? tongue.gif(My Add Maths and Chemi not so good , I don't have strong foundation in these two subjects, manage to get an A in add math and but B+ IN Chemi  ! cry.gif )
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Sorry, cant help u wif this as I oni got A- for Chem, but I suggest dat u know how to balance equations, know d reactivity series and master d basic stuff first. U shud oso print out d "Sukatan pelajaran" (learning outcomes), which in simple terms, means wat questions may come out in exam. (Its wat my teachers say) All d best~
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I can't wait to fail in Maths T. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jun 15 2014, 08:45 PM)
Humanities is pretty much more easier than Science, provided that you study consistently.

If you do not understand certain part of teacher's lectures, just ask.

Sometimes taking notes will help in revision later on.  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(stickmanchong17 @ Jun 16 2014, 06:52 PM)
Make mind maps~
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jun 15 2014, 09:01 PM)
It's only been a month since I commenced my First Term STPM, so I can't really say much about my teachers.

But from what I can see hitherto, I fond of the way my Chemistry teacher teaches her students. She knows really well on anything that she's trying to convey to her students and she'd love to go beyond that just to show us that there's more to STPM Chemistry. And based on her experiences, she's a veteran of that subject in my school.

My Math T teacher is quite alright, neither extremely superb nor too poor. But, she often clings on to her own teaching notes/books and she seemed hesitate to budge from it....

Nothing much for my Physics and PA teacher, due to the fact that I seldom meet them before the holidays.

Well to be frank, you don't really need to depend on your class teacher all the times. This is STPM we're talking about, hence independent plays an essential role in order for us to learn all the subjects/materials by ourselves if we can't follow up with the unpleasant teaching methods of some teachers.

But, I believe that most of the Form 6 teachers don't teach too badly though, and having said that, you might wanna try to learn something firsthand before you enter the class. And that if you have any doubts or question, just ask them.
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Haha I too think that STPM is the time for us study independently, this is why I have another question.That is do we SERIOUSLY need TUITION? I know it's a bit late to ask that now but please enlighten me in this tuition matter. Because (not disrespecting or anything) some of my teachers doesn't really know their syllabus well and as their first language isn't English I think they have a hard time conveying the lessons to us. So I'm still thinking whether to have tuition or not...

TQ biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jun 17 2014, 01:14 AM)
Haha I too think that STPM is the time for us study independently, this is why I have another question.That is do we SERIOUSLY need TUITION? I know it's a bit late to ask that now but please enlighten me in this tuition matter. Because (not disrespecting or anything) some of my teachers doesn't really know their syllabus well and as their first language isn't English I think they have a hard time conveying the lessons to us. So I'm still thinking whether to have tuition or not...

TQ biggrin.gif
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If you think that you can't really cope with your teacher and that dire situation coerces you to take up a tuition class, by all means, go for it. With or without tuition teacher, one way or another, you have to find out the ways to gain the right information and knowledge that can give access to your success in your exams. That should be your priority.
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jun 17 2014, 01:14 AM)
Haha I too think that STPM is the time for us study independently, this is why I have another question.That is do we SERIOUSLY need TUITION? I know it's a bit late to ask that now but please enlighten me in this tuition matter. Because (not disrespecting or anything) some of my teachers doesn't really know their syllabus well and as their first language isn't English I think they have a hard time conveying the lessons to us. So I'm still thinking whether to have tuition or not...

TQ biggrin.gif
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When I started form 6, I didn't want to go to any tuition. As you said, time to be independent. Unfortunately, my maths teacher is kinda hopeless. Its her first year teaching us and she is very soft-spoken. Maths is a subject that needs someone to explain to you. At least that is the case with me. So, I had to take tuition. Unfortunately.
I know how it feels like. "Noo.... tuition is for the weak! Don't go to the dark side!" haha

If you think you can't handle it, I think its better to go for tuition first. You can always stop later when you think you can cope without it.

In the end, I benefited from the extra tuition classes. The teacher was really good and even sent us many trial papers to practice. It was totally worth it.
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No need tuition wan la. Your teachers aren't as clueless as you make them out to be. Pay attention in class and frequently ask questions. Build repo with them.

If all else fails, learn from the better students in your class. Take the initiative to ask them. Make friends with students from other schools as well and borrows their exercises.

And btw, tuition teachers are prone to teach unnecessary stuff too that might confuse students. Or even wrong syllabus/format. So do not neglect your school teachers as they went through kursus d. Also, they're teachers and human beings, and I'm sure it's their best intentions to teach you guys even though they seem incapable.
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Sigh, missed out on the first chapter of every subject thanks to PLKN. I have so many catching up to do now, and yet there's not enough free time T_T
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This is the timetable for the STPM Term 1 examination for us lower 6-ers.
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On the side note:
-We're still 142 days away from our first Term of STPM 2014/2015 exams, so use the limited time wisely. smile.gif
-For those of you who will be taking MUET(Speaking) test in the month of November, you still have 112 days worth of preparation. It won't be too long before that time comes...

Anyway, wish each and every one of us a steady progress in academics. Good day and good luck! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks for the timetable. rclxms.gif

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Make friends with students from other schools as well and borrows their exercises.
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I think some of the teachers will prohibit their students to share studying material with other students from other classes or schools sad.gif
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QUOTE(sagethesausage @ Jun 17 2014, 10:01 PM)
Sigh, missed out on the first chapter of every subject thanks to PLKN. I have so many catching up to do now, and yet there's not enough free time T_T
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QUOTE(sagethesausage @ Jun 16 2014, 08:51 PM)
I can't wait to fail in Maths T. biggrin.gif
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I think some of the teachers will prohibit their students to share studying material with other students from other classes or schools  sad.gif
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i thought it is now easier to after change to semester system...?

Although got add more things to study, but after splitting the semester, the load so not so tough.

I remember last time after STPM go uni study, somehow suddenly feel exam very easy to study haha
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Why? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(blackstar88 @ Jun 27 2014, 04:00 PM)
i thought it is now easier to after change to semester system...?

Although got add more things to study, but after splitting the semester, the load so not so tough.

I remember last time after STPM go uni study, somehow suddenly feel exam very easy to study haha
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NOOO. I rather take one and a half year to prepare and take all at once rather than rushing through the syllabus.
All my teachers are as fast as catching up the speed of a rocket. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jul 1 2014, 03:54 PM)
NOOO. I rather take one and a half year to prepare and take all at once rather than rushing through the syllabus.
All my teachers are as fast as catching up the speed of a rocket.  rclxub.gif
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So, how's it going for you? Do you find it easy to cope with the vast syllabus, or you're having trouble keeping up with the faster pace of studies?

After I'm in Form 6 for not longer than a month, I've realised that time is moving really, really fast. We did almost nothing but a short study/revision before the 2 weeks holidays in the month of June. But after the holidays, all of my class teachers were hastening their teaching pace and this seems to be true for our workloads and experimental coursework(kerja kursus). The moment before we knew it, our homework grew substantially into a pile of mountains from nothing under a short period of time. It goes on and on perpetually and we have not a single clue on how to finish them up sooner. Life in Form 6 is certainly challenging.

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Maybe they are stingy or they don't want to get in trouble (actually sharing of past year papers is prohibited)  sad.gif
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This is actually the first time I heard about such a rule. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(blackstar88 @ Jun 27 2014, 03:00 PM)
i thought it is now easier to after change to semester system...?

Although got add more things to study, but after splitting the semester, the load so not so tough.

I remember last time after STPM go uni study, somehow suddenly feel exam very easy to study haha
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Maybe they are stingy or they don't want to get in trouble (actually sharing of past year papers is prohibited)  sad.gif
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Sharing of past year papers is never prohibited. The papers are legally published and sold in Popular.

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NOOO. I rather take one and a half year to prepare and take all at once rather than rushing through the syllabus.
All my teachers are as fast as catching up the speed of a rocket.  rclxub.gif
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Hi ! I m a new user n oso candidate of STPM 2014/2015 but I m taking arts stream(switched from sc stream).My pathway after stpm is planning to study law or economics( business tat part )"more interested".My subject combination are :
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Now I am in a dilemma of choosing either sej or acc as my stpm subject.My friends n skul counsellor suggest me to take account as they said more easy to handle..but sejarah is the entry requirement of LLB of UUM oni..(UM n UKM not require tat )Its the time to register subject of stpm recently..I sincerely hope someone cn give me some ideas..thank you vry much;) notworthy.gif
#my spm for sej n acc oso A+
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Just wanna refresh a bit. The cocu marks are only considered when there are two students applying for the same course in the same uni with the same CGPA is it?
Let's say graduates A and B have 3.50 CGPAs but A's cocu marks is 7/10 and B has 6/10. So A would be chosen for the course instead of B right?

Another thing is that do they choose a student with a 4.00 pointer with 6/10 cocu marks or another student with 3.84 but wtih 8/10 cocu marks?

Thanks a lot rclxms.gif I'm asking coz my school has only one club and I don't have any positions, so yeah i'm totally panicking cry.gif
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jul 2 2014, 11:23 PM)
Just wanna refresh a bit. The cocu marks are only considered when there are two students applying for the same course in the same uni with the same CGPA is it?
Let's say graduates A and B have 3.50 CGPAs but A's cocu marks is 7/10 and B has 6/10. So A would be chosen for the course instead of B right?

Another thing is that do they choose a student with a 4.00 pointer with 6/10 cocu marks or another student with 3.84 but wtih 8/10 cocu marks?

Thanks a lot  rclxms.gif I'm asking coz my school has only one club and I don't have any positions, so yeah i'm totally panicking  cry.gif
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Jul 2 2014, 07:26 PM)
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I m nt confident to do tat , sej take me much time n I scared I can't cover both~
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jul 2 2014, 11:23 PM)
Just wanna refresh a bit. The cocu marks are only considered when there are two students applying for the same course in the same uni with the same CGPA is it?
Let's say graduates A and B have 3.50 CGPAs but A's cocu marks is 7/10 and B has 6/10. So A would be chosen for the course instead of B right?

Another thing is that do they choose a student with a 4.00 pointer with 6/10 cocu marks or another student with 3.84 but wtih 8/10 cocu marks?

Thanks a lot  rclxms.gif I'm asking coz my school has only one club and I don't have any positions, so yeah i'm totally panicking  cry.gif
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To tell the truth, if the course you want is popular (medicine/pharma/dentistry/etc), 4-flat also cannot get in local uni, because they give priority to Matriks and Asasi students. My friend's brother got 4-flat last year, and when he go interview for medicine course in UM the interviewer tell him to prepare backup plan because they only allocate 2 out of 80 total intake slots for STPM students. So unfair. After hearing that I don't have anymore incentive to work hard, just ready myself to get into private uni.

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To tell the truth, if the course you want is popular (medicine/pharma/dentistry/etc), 4-flat also cannot get in local uni, because they give priority to Matriks and Asasi students. My friend's brother got 4-flat last year, and when he go interview for medicine course in UM the interviewer tell him to prepare backup plan because they only allocate 2 out of 80 total intake slots for STPM students. So unfair. After hearing that I don't have anymore incentive to work hard, just ready myself to get into private uni.
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Yeah its quite saddening, but for someone who's not pursuing in any of those critical courses I'm not too worried about it. But for those who wants it, its a cruel reality sad.gif
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Hey guys, I'm now confused in drawing Lewis structures specifically the NO3- ion. When I follow the procedure in drawing the structure I will get this. Attached Image But some of my friends they would get a dative bond between the N atom and one of the O atom like this Attached Image. So i wanna ask which one is the correct structure?

The procedure I used is:
1) Draw the skeleton of the molecule or ion
2) Count total valence electrons of the molecule or ion
3) Fill all the atoms according to them octet rule
4) Count FC and see if need more than 1 bond formed.
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I need some explanation and clarification regarding these questions.

Q1) Ali was wearing his spectacle while driving in his car. When he was about to make a turn towards a roundabout in his right direction, he felt that his spectacle was sliding towards the left. What causes the spectacle to slide in that manner?
The correct answer:
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Now, I've superficially learned a thing or two about centripetal force, but why centrifugal force is not the appropriate answer for the above question? Centripetal force is a force that moves a body the towards the centre of the circle, which is the opposite of the centrifugal force, where a force that draws a rotating body away from the center of rotation. And if we were to refer back to the question, it clearly stated that his spectacle was sliding towards the left when Ali was about to make a turn towards the roundabout, which is in his right. It makes a perfect sense to me but why the answer is not centrifugal force,but instead it is inertia? Where did I go wrong? icon_question.gif

Q2)Which force does the work on a satellite orbiting around the Earth?
The correct answer:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
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Why the answer for Q2) cannot be centripetal force? I sense that there are some similarities between both of these forces that causes the satellite to orbit around the Earth in such manner.... hmm.gif

Q3)If we spin a circular disk with a circular cavity on the top of it, it is found that the disk flips over. But the question is why does this happen?

I've approached a few of my classmates, and they told me that the correct reason would be due to friction and air resistance. They said that if we were to take a coin and flip it in the same manner, the coin will rotate rapidly in a circular motion and it will come to a stop when the air drag interrupts it's kinetic energy(The coin will only spin perpetually if it is in vacuum). On a another case, it will also stop spinning due to the friction between the coin and the table. I'm pleased with the feedback that I got, but is that really the complete explanation for the given question?

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I was a form sixer once,

we were considered as some of the hardest, and toughest assessment around.

and we all survive, to consistently proof to others non-form sixer of our better developed capability.

sadly, the new format for form 6 now is just utter bullshit.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 24 2014, 02:30 PM)
I need some explanation and clarification regarding these questions.

Q1) Ali was wearing his spectacle while driving in his car. When he was about to make a turn towards a roundabout in his right direction, he felt that his spectacle was sliding towards the left. What causes the spectacle to slide in that manner?
The correct answer:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Now, I've superficially learned a thing or two about centripetal force, but why centrifugal force is not the appropriate answer for the above question? Centripetal force is a force that moves a body the towards the centre of the circle, which is the opposite of the centrifugal force, where a force that draws a rotating body away from the center of rotation. And if we were to refer back to the question, it clearly stated that his spectacle was sliding towards the left when Ali was about to make a turn towards the roundabout, which is in his right. It makes a perfect sense to me but why the answer is not centrifugal force,but instead it is inertia? Where did I go wrong? icon_question.gif

Q2)Which force does the work on a satellite orbiting around the Earth?
The correct answer:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
.

Why the answer for Q2) cannot be centripetal force? I sense that there are some similarities between both of these forces that causes the satellite to orbit around the Earth in such manner.... hmm.gif

Q3)If we spin a circular disk with a circular cavity on the top of it, it is found that the disk flips over. But the question is why does this happen?

I've approached a few of my classmates, and they told me that the correct reason would be due to friction and air resistance. They said that if we were to take a coin and flip it in the same manner, the coin will rotate rapidly in a circular motion and it will come to a stop when the air drag interrupts it's kinetic energy(The coin will only spin perpetually if it is in vacuum). On a another case, it will also stop spinning due to the friction between the coin and the table. I'm pleased with the feedback that I got, but is that really the complete explanation for the given question?
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Q1) Centrifugal force is not a 'force'. Even if you believe in this fictional force, where does it come from? Forces are a result of interaction, either between bodies or a body with a field. No force can ever manifest itself out of nothing. Plus it's not even mentioned in STPM books.

Q2) Again, what is this centripetal force? Gravitational force, of course!

Q3) You're an STPM student now, you need to eliminate vague and inaccurate Physics terms when describing something. How does friction act? On what does air resistance act? How does air drag 'interrupt' kinetic energy? Can you model this situation using Physics? This problem is from Brilliant, and you'd have to ask more people to come up with a rigorous answer.

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 24 2014, 02:30 PM)
Q1) Ali was wearing his spectacle while driving in his car. When he was about to make a turn towards a roundabout in his right direction, he felt that his spectacle was sliding towards the left. What causes the spectacle to slide in that manner?

The correct answer: Inertia. It's because the spectacle resisted the change in the direction of the car (towards going right) by sliding to the left.

Now, I've superficially learned a thing or two about centripetal force, but why centrifugal force is not the appropriate answer for the above question? ... And if we were to refer back to the question, it clearly stated that his spectacle was sliding towards the left when Ali was about to make a turn towards the roundabout, which is in his right. It makes a perfect sense to me but why the answer is not centrifugal force, but instead it is inertia? Where did I go wrong? icon_question.gif
Quite incorrect. The inertia does not cause Ali’s glasses suddenly slid toward the opposite direction (left) of car's heading direction (right), as if there was a hidden repulsive force. That's an ILLUSION! cool2.gif

While the car moves in the circular arc at the roundabout, it is in uniform circular motion; that is, it has an acceleration that is directed toward the center of the roundabout. By Newton’s 2nd law, a force must cause this acceleration. Moreover, the force must also be directed toward the center of the roundabout. Thus, it is a centripetal force, which means center-seeking force, where the adjective indicates the direction. The centripetal force, in this case, is provided by the friction between the road and the car’s tires.

Because Ali drove the car, naturally, we assume that he strapped the seat belt on his car’s seat that held him firmly in the seat. This assumption is critical or else, Ali will slide across the seat toward the left and then jam against the car wall for the rest of the turn. Since Ali was wearing his glasses when he turned right, rounding the roundabout, and if his glasses was to move in uniform circular motion along with the car, there must also be a centripetal force on his glasses.

However, apparently the frictional forces on Ali’s glasses from his nose-bridge and ears were not great enough to make his glasses go in a circle with the car. The dirt and oil on Ali’s face could have affected the frictional force. Thus, Ali’s “face” slid beneath his glasses, until he pushes it up with his forefinger so that the frames sit rightly on the top of his nose. Then, the push that Ali provided the needed centripetal force on the glasses allows his glasses to join the car’s uniform circular motion.

If Ali does not attempt to prevent his glass from sliding to his left as he turns right, however, there won’t be a centripetal force acting on his glasses, which would slide off in the direction that is tangent to the circle due to it inertia (according to Newton’s 1st law). This gives Ali the sensation of his glasses slid toward his left. In fact, to a stationary observer, Ali’s glasses are sliding off in a straight line until it jams up against the left wall of the car. The centripetal force from the car wall is required to push the glasses inward along the car’s uniform circular path. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 24 2014, 02:30 PM)
Q2)Which force does the work on a satellite orbiting around the Earth?

The correct answer: Gravitational force.

Why the answer for Q2) cannot be centripetal force? I sense that there are some similarities between both of these forces that causes the satellite to orbit around the Earth in such manner.... hmm.gif
As stated by maximR, a centripetal force is NOT a new kind of force. The name merely indicates the direction of the force. It's an adjective!! Therefore, it can be a frictional force, a gravitational force, the force from a car wall, the tension force from a string, or any other force in this universe you could name it.

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Artificial satellites are continually accelerating towards the Earth. This is because of the gravitational force of attraction between the satellite and the Earth. If a satellite stopped moving forwards, the Earth’s gravitational pull would make it fall to Earth. icon_rolleyes.gif

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As stated by maximR, a centripetal force is NOT a new kind of force. The name merely indicates the direction of the force. It's an adjective!! Therefore, it can be a frictional force, a gravitational force, the force from a car wall, the tension force from a string, or any other force in this universe you could name it.

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Artificial satellites are continually accelerating towards the Earth. This is because of the gravitational force of attraction between the satellite and the Earth. If a satellite stopped moving forwards, the Earth’s gravitational pull would make it fall to Earth. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(maximR @ Jul 25 2014, 02:18 PM)
How are you?  icon_rolleyes.gif
I'm “busy-body” as usual. laugh.gif

Recently I'm expanding my collection of books. A peculiar bibliophile, huh?. blush.gif

I noticed that your Physics of Motion is now at a whole new level after entering Sunway.

You were talking about “modeling”, a process that most scientists and engineers employ to represent and study a particular real-world system or phenomenon, when many Pre-U students are probably still struggling to understand its concept.

Keep up the good work! wink.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 25 2014, 04:02 AM)
If Ali does not attempt to prevent his glass from sliding to his left as he turns right, however, there won’t be a centripetal force acting on his glasses, which would slide off in the direction that is tangent to the circle due to it inertia (according to Newton’s 1st law). This gives Ali the sensation of his glasses slid toward his left. In fact, to a stationary observer, Ali’s glasses are sliding off in a straight line until it jams up against the left wall of the car.

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According to the above statement, you've mentioned that Ali's glasses would slide off in the direction that is tangent to the circle due to Newton's First Law if there won't be a centripetal force acting on it. But now I have another question that bugs me.

If we consider a ball that moves in a circle due to the tension(T) of the string, which in this case, is the centripetal force, why it is said that the Newton's Second Law would cause the ball to move tangentially to the circle if the string snaps? unsure.gif Why inertia isn't the cause for the ball to behave in that way, considering the fact that once the string snaps, there won't be any more resultant force that acts on the ball? unsure.gif
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why it is said that the Newton's Second Law would cause the ball to move tangentially to the circle if the string snaps? unsure.gif 
hmm.gif I'm wondering, what do they tell you about centripetal force in your Physics textbook?

In reality, this is a Projectile motion. If you ignore air resistance and resolve the motion of the ball into vertical and horizontal components, you will see that the norm of the horizontal velocity vector stays the same, because the tension from the string is no longer acting on the ball (Newton's 1st Law). The varying vertical velocity vector shows the motion of the ball during its free fall and this is due to gravity acts on the ball (Newton's 2nd Law).

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I was a form sixer once,

we were considered as some of the hardest, and toughest assessment around.

and we all survive, to consistently proof to others non-form sixer of our better developed capability.

sadly, the new format for form 6 now is just utter bullshit.
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What year? brows.gif

I disagree though, as the new format is much more harder and it's more rigorously tested compared to the older STPM syllabus... The topics are condensed but it is much harder to master...
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 25 2014, 06:13 PM)
What year? brows.gif

I disagree though, as the new format is much more harder and it's more rigorously tested compared to the older STPM syllabus...  The topics are condensed but it is much harder to master...
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the syllabus are similar, matter a fact, it's lesser and easier as they are aiming for the "holistic" method of teaching to alleviate student from "memorising" the syallbus but instead "apply", learned knowledge!

generally is a good thing, but given the fact that it's going to be applied into a per semester basis,

well... that basically translate into " blah...blah...blah... blah, less to memorise!"

and also looking at the general population of student, and their mentality, we are lights year away from being capable of such practices!

Im from 05' batch!
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 25 2014, 05:18 PM)
In reality, this is a Projectile motion. If you ignore air resistance and resolve the motion of the ball into vertical and horizontal components, you will see that the norm of the horizontal velocity vector stays the same, because the tension from the string is no longer acting on the ball (Newton's 1st Law). The varying vertical velocity vector shows the motion of the ball during its free fall and this is due to gravity acts on the ball (Newton's 2nd Law).

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I would like to thank maximR and you for helping me out in clearing my misconceptions and doubts regarding those questions that I posted. I need to find out more stuffs that are pertaining to circular motion as I cannot totally get the hang of it currently.
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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jul 25 2014, 06:28 PM)
the syllabus are similar, matter a fact, it's lesser and easier as they are aiming for the "holistic" method of teaching to alleviate student from "memorising" the syallbus but instead "apply", learned knowledge!

generally is a good thing, but given the fact that it's going to be applied into a per semester basis,

well... that basically translate into " blah...blah...blah... blah, less to memorise!"

and also looking at the general population of student, and their mentality, we are lights year away from being capable of such practices!

Im from 05' batch!
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Erm... not really. The questions require some extensive thinking... Sure there's a lot of stuff that needs memorizing but you do need to realize that is only one part for you to excel in STPM... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 25 2014, 07:41 PM)
I would like to thank maximR and you for helping me out in clearing my misconceptions and doubts regarding those questions that I posted. I need to find out more stuffs that are pertaining to circular motion as I cannot totally get the hang of it currently.
I recall that I shared a link with you on how to get the free & good quality, “OpenStax College Physics” textbook (Web / PDF / EPUB) in this post 3 months ago.

You can also get nearly a dozen of Higher Education textbooks. Just click the image. Choose a high-quality text now! happy.gif

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 25 2014, 09:25 PM)
I recall that I shared a link with you on how to get the free & good quality, “OpenStax College Physics” textbook (Web / PDF / EPUB) in this post 3 months ago.

You can also get nearly a dozen of Higher Education textbooks. Just click the image. Choose a high-quality text now! happy.gif

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Yes, I still remember it. Thanks once again for your aid. Anyway, considering the fact that you fond of books, do have an A-Level book which looks like this sweat.gif :
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Title: A Level Physics (4TH)
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The reason I ask is that one of my classmates do get his hands on it, and it seems more appetising than any other STPM Physics books so far. I've skimmed the contents, and it can be used from the 1st until the 3rd semester.
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Yes, I still remember it. Thanks once again for your aid. Anyway, considering the fact that you fond of books, do have an A-Level book which looks like this sweat.gif :
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Title: A Level Physics (4TH)
Author: Muncaster, Roger

The reason I ask is that one of my classmates do get his hands on it, and it seems more appetising than any other STPM Physics books so far. I've skimmed the contents, and it can be used from the 1st until the 3rd semester.
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I have that book. Are you from Penang? Because a guy on Facebook asked me for recommendations and I mentioned this one, and his book arrived a few days ago. I think that's your classmate.

It is a good book, which is very suitable for STPM Physics because it's Calculus based ( A-Level textbooks these days only use algebra ). But you can have all the books in the world and yet learn nothing from them. Physics is not about reading and then being content that you've understood what you've read. It's about thinking. Doubting. And attempting HARD problems which can teach you a lot. So, whether or not you want to get Roger Muncaster's book, it's up to you. If you think you can utilise it, why not? It's more detailed than ALL of the STPM books that are being sold. But it's costly. And heavy.
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 25 2014, 03:04 PM)
I'm “busy-body” as usual. laugh.gif

Recently I'm expanding my collection of books. A peculiar bibliophile, huh?. blush.gif

I noticed that your Physics of Motion is now at a whole new level after entering Sunway.

You were talking about “modeling”, a process that most scientists and engineers employ to represent and study a particular real-world system or phenomenon, when many Pre-U students are probably still struggling to understand its concept.

Keep up the good work! wink.gif
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Sunway has got nothing to do with it. biggrin.gif We're still in Introduction to Physics.

During my post-SPM break, I registered for Mechanics Review by MIT on edX. That course changed the way I look at Mechanics now. I thought I knew Mechanics, but boy, was I wrong. The SIM approach is the backbone of the course. SIM stands for System, Interactions and Models. I completed 5 of the modules, but I think I might fail the course because at college, I didn't have time to finish the others. I ended up not completing the 6th and 7th modules, which is a shame. But I learnt a lot from the course so I'll continue with it, regardless of whether I'd earn the certificate or not.

As for Sunway, I have a long story to tell. But for now ( I just arrived at my hometown, extremely exhausted ) I met quite a few brilliant people. And when I say brilliant, they are really brilliant. It is a humbling experience, coming to Sunway. To give you a clue, I have a classmate who recently obtained a Gold Medal in the IMO, a January intake guy with a Silver medal, a few who made it into the Top 20 for OMK, a senior who was the first Malaysian to win the Gold Medal in IMO. My classmates are very enthusiastic when it comes to Maths. We discuss problems, find new approaches to a problem, attempt our own proofs, and spend a lot of hours in the library.

By the way, I'm taking Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Economics. A little bit sad at the fact that I'm forsaking Chemistry.
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Thanks for MaximR for explaining the doubts in physics!

Has anyone got the question for Maths T coursework??

And do any of you have guide to complete the coursework?
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QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jul 10 2014, 11:09 PM)
Hey guys, I'm now confused in drawing Lewis structures specifically the NO3- ion. When I follow the procedure in drawing the structure I will get this. Attached Image But some of my friends they would get a dative bond between the N atom and one of the O atom like this Attached Image. So i wanna ask which one is the correct structure?

The procedure I used is:
1) Draw the skeleton of the molecule or ion
2) Count total valence electrons of the molecule or ion
3) Fill all the atoms according to them octet rule
4) Count FC and see if need more than 1 bond formed.
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Actually, NO3- ion has dative bond. This is because N is located in Period 2 and it can only accommodate a maximum of 8 electrons at its valence orbital. N atom cannot expand it's octet, so it has to donate a lone pair of electrons to O atom which has empty orbitals.

What you draw is actually correct, but you didn't indicate the dative bond.

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Thanks for MaximR for explaining the doubts in physics!

Has anyone got the question for Maths T coursework??

And do any of you have guide to complete the coursework?
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My coursework is about Chapter 2: Sequence and Series.

Guide? I'm not quite sure about that, but my Maths teacher just hand them over to us and ordered us to get it done before the end of August. If we have any troubles, we will just discuss among us and only seek help from teacher after we truly reach a dead end.

How about your's ?
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Mine is same as yours.
I have to hand in after raya holiday instead sad.gif
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Mine is same as yours.
I have to hand in after raya holiday instead sad.gif
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Other than that, do you receive any Chemistry related sheets from your teacher? It's because I got mine before the holidays and that I've found out that we're going to do 5 experiments for first term(Experiment 1-5), 5 experiments for second term(Experiment 6-10), and only 3 experiments for third term(Experiment 11-13). I hope that our school doesn't instruct us to pile up the whole experiments and deal with them in the third term next year...

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Other than that, do you receive any Chemistry related sheets from your teacher? It's because I got mine before the holidays and that I've found out that we're going to do 5 experiments for first term(Experiment 1-5), 5 experiments for second term(Experiment 6-10), and only 3 experiments for third term(Experiment 11-13). I hope that our school doesn't instruct us to pile up the whole experiments and deal with them in the third term next year...
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No. You'll carry out each experiment as its respective terms as you need the knowledge of the respective terms. Third term experiments would be the most interesting, and the synthesis is quite challenging. Just wait. biggrin.gif
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No. You'll carry out each experiment as its respective terms as you need the knowledge of the respective terms. Third term experiments would be the most interesting, and the synthesis is quite challenging. Just wait.  biggrin.gif
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But, my teacher told me the other day that if we don't have sufficient amount of time allocated to complete those experiments in the first term(let alone completing the first term syllabus), then we will have to conduct them in the second term. I hope that's not the case for my batch though. Besides, we have a lot of catch up to do and we are roughly 1 month away from first term trial.

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 28 2014, 11:58 PM)
Other than that, do you receive any Chemistry related sheets from your teacher? It's because I got mine before the holidays and that I've found out that we're going to do 5 experiments for first term(Experiment 1-5), 5 experiments for second term(Experiment 6-10), and only 3 experiments for third term(Experiment 11-13). I hope that our school doesn't instruct us to pile up the whole experiments and deal with them in the third term next year...
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I got the paper. 15 experiments and 1 project work to be carried out in 3 terms. My school had finished 2 out of 5 experiments. What makes me annoying is the project work.

P/S: Not trying to show off here, but my chemistry teacher is one of the authors of the Oxford Fajar STPM book. (there are 4 of them, u guess it) So she'll guide us in conducting those experiments.

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16 experiments for Chemistry + 16 experiments for Physics + 3 assignments for Maths T + 2 assignments for PA + damn wide syllabus for the four subjects = extremely heavy workload!!!! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

For those who have time to enjoy despite this workload, they are insane, and I salute you. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Jul 25 2014, 10:25 PM)
I recall that I shared a link with you on how to get the free & good quality, “OpenStax College Physics” textbook (Web / PDF / EPUB) in this post 3 months ago.

You can also get nearly a dozen of Higher Education textbooks. Just click the image. Choose a high-quality text now! happy.gif

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I have downloaded the copy, and I like that book very much. but to print out?! Thats ridiculous~~
1000+ pages !!!!! shakehead.gif shocking.gif
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But, my teacher told me the other day that if we don't have sufficient amount of time allocated to complete those experiments in the first term(let alone completing the first term syllabus), then we will have to conduct them in the second term. I hope that's not the case for my batch though. Besides, we have a lot of catch up to do and we are roughly 1 month away from first term trial.
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I got the paper. 15 experiments and 1 project work to be carried out in 3 terms. My school had finished 2 out of 5 experiments. What makes me annoying is the project work.

P/S: Not trying to show off here, but my chemistry teacher is one of the authors of the Oxford Fajar STPM book. (there are 4 of them, u guess it) So she'll guide us in conducting those experiments.
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jul 30 2014, 05:37 PM)
16 experiments for Chemistry + 16 experiments for Physics + 3 assignments for Maths T + 2 assignments for PA + damn wide syllabus for the four subjects = extremely heavy workload!!!!  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

For those who have time to enjoy despite this workload, they are insane, and I salute you.  notworthy.gif
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You play hard, and you study hard. I played very hard when I studied form 6, and also studied hard.

You have plenty of time to play. Just manage your time well. You do it, and form 6 life will be brilliantly colourful. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Jul 30 2014, 05:34 PM)
I got the paper. 15 experiments and 1 project work to be carried out in 3 terms. My school had finished 2 out of 5 experiments. What makes me annoying is the project work.

P/S: Not trying to show off here, but my chemistry teacher is one of the authors of the Oxford Fajar STPM book. (there are 4 of them, u guess it) So she'll guide us in conducting those experiments.
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We haven't even started on any Chemistry experiment yet, as my teacher wanted to quickly finish the syllabus. But, I bet that we will do it by next month.

You must be grateful then. You should take this chance by asking her to lend/recommend you some good exercise books or worksheets, considering the fact that she's an author and it will not be surprising at all if she has literally tonnes of them. I don't know if it works the same for you, but I prefer most of the STPM books from the old syllabus(terminal system) compared to the new ones.
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16 experiments for Chemistry + 16 experiments for Physics + 3 assignments for Maths T + 2 assignments for PA + damn wide syllabus for the four subjects = extremely heavy workload!!!!  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

For those who have time to enjoy despite this workload, they are insane, and I salute you.  notworthy.gif
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One of those insane student that you've pointed out just so happens to be one of my classmate. I've known him since we're in Form 1, and if you take the level of visibility he is in library into account, or the frequency of revision he does on every single day, you will bet that he ain't some serious academic-type of guy.

It turned out that I was wrong. He's easy-going, and it seems to me that he takes every single thing lightly. But, I was flabbergasted by the results that he produced so far in his schooling years, be it in the academic stuffs or not. While there might be lots of students that I know that will go at great lengths to ace in the class, like studying more than 5 hours every single day, going to every single subject that a tuition centre has to offer, or burn midnight oil till 2am in the morning. But, he is different than any of them. He told me numerous times that he stopped going to tuition since he was in Form 1, and that his daily routine will only be completing any homework that his teachers give and that's it. He will not revise till 12 in the midnight, or even trying to cram.

After observing his study patterns for some time, I found out the reason behind his success of achieving relatively good academic results despite the short amount of time he invests in his studies when I was in Form 3. Unlike spending incessant amount of time cramming at home or tuition, he only listens to his teacher's lessons at school and he usually won't revise further when he's at home. That's because the amount of intensity of his concentration at school is extremely high with little amount of time he spent studying, which is the contrary to mine, where I usually spend a huge amount of time cramming with little burst of concentration. When he's at home, he will prioritise in completing his homework as fast as he can and that's the exact moment that he will revise. Ergo, it wasn't surprising anymore after I got to know that he's consistently one of the top students in my class with an easy-going and laid back attitude all the while when he was in secondary school.

I have also come to this realization of no matter how diligent or hardworking I am, there will be other students out there that are far more intelligent than me and can even party harder than me.

P/S: The workload of 4 subjects are overwhelming enough for all of us as you've mentioned, but, he's the only one taking 5 subjects and is still going strong. It will be amazing if he is able to secure a 4.00 CGPA in the STPM exams.

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I have also come to this realization of no matter how diligent or hardworking I am, there will be other students out there that are far more intelligent than me and can even party harder than me.
You don't give yourself enough credit. From here, I can tell that you read up a lot of what's outside the syllabus. And you have a genuine interest in what you're studying. A lot of people, even STPM students, don't bother.

QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 30 2014, 09:58 PM)
P/S: The workload of 4 subjects are overwhelming enough for all of us as you've mentioned, but, he's the only one taking 5 subjects and is still going strong. It will be amazing if he is able to secure a 4.00 CGPA in the STPM exams.
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Both physics and bio? wow! rclxms.gif

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I have also come to this realization of no matter how diligent or hardworking I am, there will be other students out there that are far more intelligent than me and can even party harder than me.
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Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses. I can totally relate to your situation as I don't see myself as inherently smart as well, so I make up for it by working harder than my peers.

I don't think there is anything wrong about being slightly envious of others, as long as you don't let it eat you up. You have nothing to lose by being diligent and hardworking, and if anything, I'm sure that if you have the right attitude towards things, you can inspire others such as yourself too.
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You play hard, and you study hard. I played very hard when I studied form 6, and also studied hard.

You have plenty of time to play. Just manage your time well. You do it, and form 6 life will be brilliantly colourful.  biggrin.gif
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It'd be nice if I'm able to thoroughly enjoy my Form 6 life like you've mentioned. But, all of the pressure for the imminent trial exams and inordinate amount of workload has given me the least amount of time to look for some space and time to 'play' blush.gif .

One of my STPM teacher even told us all that: ''你们一来到 Form 6 就已经没有这个东西叫 holiday''.
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It'd be nice if I'm able to thoroughly enjoy my Form 6 life like you've mentioned. But, all of the pressure for the imminent trial exams and inordinate amount of workload has given me the least amount of time to look for some space and time to 'play' blush.gif .

One of my STPM teacher even told us all that: ''你们一来到 Form 6 就已经没有这个东西叫 holiday''.
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First term is tough. It'll get better and later on you will see what I meant. Time will show you everything but you must allow it to appear and register. biggrin.gif
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I have downloaded the copy, and I like that book very much. but to print out?! Thats ridiculous~~
1000+ pages !!!!!  shakehead.gif  shocking.gif
Most college textbooks on Science and Mathematics are usually very thick. Some authors split the subject in 2 or 3 volumes.

If you really like the book, you should find a printing service center to print out the book in Black & White (or colors) with hardcover binding.

For 1,000++ pages, you can probably negotiate the price. wink.gif

This is free stuff with bloods & sweats from the Authors. So, don't ridicule! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Jul 30 2014, 11:18 PM)
It'd be nice if I'm able to thoroughly enjoy my Form 6 life like you've mentioned. But, all of the pressure for the imminent trial exams and inordinate amount of workload has given me the least amount of time to look for some space and time to 'play' blush.gif .

One of my STPM teacher even told us all that: ''你们一来到 Form 6 就已经没有这个东西叫 holiday''.
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This is the problem I'm facing right now. Time flies, and it's too fast shocking.gif

And this is also what teacher told us. shakehead.gif And my teachers are so hardworking that they stuffed us with endless homework so that we will not be enjoying our holiday blush.gif
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First term is tough. It'll get better and later on you will see what I meant. Time will show you everything but you must allow it to appear and register.  biggrin.gif
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My teacher said, first term for physics stream is the most easiest term?! If cannot score in first term, how about 2nd and 3rd term?! shocking.gif

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My teacher said, first term for physics stream is the most easiest term?! If cannot score in forst term, how about 2nd and 3rd term?!  shocking.gif
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Not possible. Everyone who has completed STPM would no doubt agree that the 2nd term Physics is the easiest. The first and third term are both insanely hard, with some people saying third term's the hardest.

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Not possible. Everyone who has completed STPM would no doubt agree that the 2nd term Physics is the easiest. The first and third term are both insanely hard, with some people saying third term's the hardest.
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Isn't this subjective? One could have mastered Mechanics before Electricity and Magnetism, so one finds Term 1's Physics to be a breeze. Or one could have poured his heart and soul into studying E/M during SPM, while only look at Mechanics in passing before STPM.
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We haven't even started on any Chemistry experiment yet, as my teacher wanted to quickly finish the syllabus. But, I bet that we will do it by next month.

You must be grateful then. You should take this chance by asking her to lend/recommend you some good exercise books or worksheets, considering the fact that she's an author and it will not be surprising at all if she has literally tonnes of them. I don't know if it works the same for you, but I prefer most of the STPM books from the old syllabus(terminal system) compared to the new ones.
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Consider reading outside texts? Cambridge A-Level and Singapore GCE 'A' Level students use texts outside the syllabus, for example Fundamentals of Physics by Haliday and Resnick. I think STPM syllabi have recommendations on books, and I would recommend getting a hold of one of the texts to supplement, or even replace your current STPM textbook. For extra challenge you might want to buy Singapore GCE 'A' Level practice books, especially for Maths, Physics and Chemistry.

Aside from Rice's free Physics textbook, here are a few more which have survived the test of time, for pre-university students or first year undergraduates.

1. University Physics by Young and Freeman
2. Physics for Scientists and Engineers ( with Modern Physics ) by Serway
3. A-Level Physics by Roger Muncaster
4. New Understanding of A-Level Physics by Jim

I think one of them should be enough, as they are very dense and you won't need to study all the chapters.
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I think one of them should be enough, as they are very dense and you won't need to study all the chapters.
Physics for Scientists and Engineers with Modern Physics by Serway & Jewett is my primary college physics reference book. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Isn't this subjective? One could have mastered Mechanics before Electricity and Magnetism, so one finds Term 1's Physics to be a breeze. Or one could have poured his heart and soul into studying E/M during SPM, while only look at Mechanics in passing before STPM.
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It is possible someone could have mastered Mechanics before Electricity and Magnetism. However, electricity and magnetism are less abstract, the questions are very far less complicated and complex (when you write the steps to a solution, you can see). You don't need to be good or weak at certain topics to say one is more difficult. You could have mastered both topics and based on your own judgment deem which is more difficult.
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And this is also what teacher told us. shakehead.gif And my teachers are so hardworking that they stuffed us with endless homework so that we will not be enjoying our holiday  blush.gif
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Wait, what? So, your teachers want to give you all a hard time by making you all work and study perpetually in hoping that it will boost your academic progress in the long run? I really don't mind if it works, but considering the fact that first term trial is roughly 1 month away and that you've got your hands full with all those coursework, don't you think that it's too much?

Plus, it won't be a good investment for our studies at all if some of us just regard the homework as a work, and not some medium for practice and revise our knowledge. sweat.gif

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My teacher said, first term for physics stream is the most easiest term?! If cannot score in forst term, how about 2nd and 3rd term?!  shocking.gif
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I can't comment much further on that, but one of my seniors got A in physics in the first term(last year), and he/she might get a lower grade as the total CGPA dropped to lower than 3.50 in the second term. Oh, the said senior got a 4.00 CGPA in the first term if you must know.
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Anyone done their Maths T PBS assignment yet? Can give me a brief description on how to answer each question? My teacher don't want to teach about the assignment because have to catch up with syllabus.
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Anyone done their Maths T PBS assignment yet?  Can give me a brief description on how to answer each question? My teacher don't want to teach about the assignment because have to catch up with syllabus.
Do you mind putting up the Math T assignment on this thread? sweat.gif
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Do you mind putting up the Math T assignment on this thread? sweat.gif
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Try something else.
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Well that took longer than I expected. Was already typing half of the assignment when it suddenly uploaded the picture. Sorry for being slow

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Anyone done their Maths T PBS assignment yet?  Can give me a brief description on how to answer each question? My teacher don't want to teach about the assignment because have to catch up with syllabus.
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Not completely done yet.

In question 1(a), the user posted image refers to the quinine in the body right after the nth dose, so, we assume that it's user posted image. We have to find out the user posted image for when n=1,2,3,...,8. So,it's a finite series, you have to list down each of the quantity of quinine starting from user posted image=user posted image=50.0000,... to user posted image.

The equation that I got from my friend is this:
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Well that took longer than I expected.  Was already typing half of the assignment when it suddenly uploaded the picture. Sorry for being slow

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For the part for Introduction, Methodology, Results and Conclusion, you can refer to this sample of coursework. It's last year's coursework for third term, but I think you should be able to work your way through it after you have a look as the structure still holds the same for ours.
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For the part for Introduction, Methodology, Results and Conclusion, you can refer to this sample of coursework. It's last year's coursework for third term, but I think you should be able to work your way through it after you have a look as the structure still holds the same for ours.
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Thank you! Your help is much appreciated. biggrin.gif

I have something that I've always wanted to clarify, how many total assignments do we have for each subject? And how many do we need to do each term? Sorry if this makes me seem ignorant, I missed out on orientation due to PLKN and was too cowardly to ask my teachers and friends for fear of appearing stupid (I'll chg my behaviour and attitude on this I swear)

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Thank you! Your help is much appreciated.  biggrin.gif

I have something that I've always wanted to clarify, how many total assignments do we have for each subject? And how many do we need to do each term? Sorry if this makes me seem ignorant, I missed out on orientation due to PLKN and was too cowardly to ask my teachers and friends for fear of appearing stupid (I'll chg my behaviour and attitude on this I swear)
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You shouldn't be thanking me actually, because my friend was the one who actually found out the equation for the quantity of the quinine. Anyway, he's out of reach currently, and that was why I couldn't meet him and get some clarification on how did he able to come up with that equation. I've tried numerous times myself, but I found out that the Qn that I came up with only holds to be true when n=2,3,... only, but it will lead to a wrong answer for the first term, and vice versa(one of the equation for Qn that I derived from the problem statement seems to be true for when the first term,a = 500.0000, but false when n > 1.)

For example, when I use the equation user posted image given by my friend to find the Qn for when a=50, n=1,2,3,4..., the result that I got is this:
When:
n=1,user posted image

n=2,user posted image

n=3,user posted image

n=4,user posted image

But, if I were to use my equation user posted image, the results that it yield are somewhat different from the above.
When:
n=1,user posted image

n=2,user posted image

n=3,user posted image

You know, it would be helpful too if you're able to ask your teacher or someone that is good in Maths to possibly come up with another formula of Qn which is different than the one my friend gave.

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sagethesausage, for further enquiry pertaining to the assignments/PBS, you can always drop by on the MPM website, or you could just ask your teachers right away. And no, you're not ignorant, even most of us lack some information when it comes to these things.

So, how's your preparation for your first term if you don't mind I ask? We have roughly a month's worth of preparation left for our term 1 Trial and 101 days away till our first term examinations, and time is moving faster than ever when we're approaching the foreboding first term exams.
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You know, it would be helpful too if you're able to ask your teacher or someone that is good in Maths to possibly come up with another formula of Qn which is different than the one my friend gave.
Your friend is sure stingy. Gave you formula but no explanation. Anyhow, look at my approach careful. The final formula in the outcome, I've eliminated the Σ sign from the general formula and it is replaced with a more efficient formula. icon_idea.gif

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sagethesausage, for further enquiry pertaining to the assignments/PBS, you can always drop by on the MPM website, or you could just ask your teachers right away. And no, you're not ignorant, even most of us lack some information when it comes to these things.

So, how's your preparation for your first term if you don't mind I ask? We have roughly a month's worth of preparation left for our term 1 Trial and 101 days away till our first term examinations, and time is moving faster than ever when we're approaching the foreboding first term exams.
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Everything is going to the dogs... For subjects like PA and Bio I've read through half the textbook but have yet to put in the effort to actually MEMORISE them. There's no time to do so either, as just completing Maths T exercises sucks away 90% of my free time.

For Chemistry, I'm not too worried as I have a very good and helpful Chem tuition teacher. biggrin.gif

Wasting my whole holiday to hangout with classmates was a terrible idea, and I regret dicking around so much, sure it was fun, but now I'll probably flunk my exams. I need to learn to say no to my friends and prioritise what's important in my life. Hopefully I can still get back on track by starting to work hard starting today.

How about you?

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You shouldn't be thanking me actually, because my friend was the one who actually found out the equation for the quantity of the quinine. Anyway, he's out of reach currently, and that was why I couldn't meet him and get some clarification on how did he able to come up with that equation. I've tried numerous times myself, but I found out that the Qn that I came up with only holds to be true when n=2,3,... only, but it will lead to a wrong answer for the first term, and vice versa(one of the equation for Qn that I derived from the problem statement seems to be true for when the first term,a = 500.0000, but false when n > 1.)

For example, when I use the equation user posted image given by my friend to find the Qn for when a=50, n=1,2,3,4..., the result that I got is this:
When:
n=1,user posted image

n=2,user posted image

n=3,user posted image

n=4,user posted image

But, if I were to use my equation user posted image, the results that it yield are somewhat different from the above.
When:
n=1,user posted image

n=2,user posted image

n=3,user posted image

You know, it would be helpful too if you're able to ask your teacher or someone that is good in Maths to possibly come up with another formula of Qn which is different than the one my friend gave.
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My equation obtained is slightly different than yours. I got This blink.gif




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Your friend is sure stingy. Gave you formula but no explanation. Anyhow, look at my approach careful. The final formula in the outcome, I've eliminated the Σ sign from the general formula and it is replaced with a more efficient formula. icon_idea.gif

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user posted image

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Thanks for the formula! But is that methodology or an explanation of results?
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Thank you! Your help is much appreciated.  biggrin.gif

I have something that I've always wanted to clarify, how many total assignments do we have for each subject? And how many do we need to do each term? Sorry if this makes me seem ignorant, I missed out on orientation due to PLKN and was too cowardly to ask my teachers and friends for fear of appearing stupid (I'll chg my behaviour and attitude on this I swear)
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Total assignment for all three terms
PA: 2
Bio/Phy/Che: 15 experiments + 1 project (if you take Bio and chemistry means you have to do 30 experiments and 2 projects)
Maths T: 3 projects

Insane workload right? vmad.gif
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Referring to post #101 by sagethesausage, I want to seek clarification for no 2 (A)

Do we need to list out all the values until Q8 or until Qn?

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Wait, what? So, your teachers want to give you all a hard time by making you all work and study perpetually in hoping  that it will boost your academic progress in the long run? I really don't mind if it works, but considering the fact that first term trial is roughly 1 month away and that you've got your hands full with all those coursework, don't you think that it's too much?

Plus, it won't be a good investment for our studies at all if some of us just regard the homework as a work, and not some medium for practice and revise our knowledge.  sweat.gif
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Thats too much but no teacher cares about it. They will think that 'I gave you a week to complete those homework, yet you failed to complete it', but they didn't think of other teachers who gave the same amount of homework too. rclxub.gif
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Thanks for the formula! But is that methodology or an explanation of results?
It is an attempt to model the dynamic behavior of the concentration in a regularly-spaced drug administration system, as a function of time, t. For simplicity, the assignment requires the students to model the concentration as a function of number of dose, n.

We know that a problem facing physicians is the fact that for most drugs, there is a floor concentration, q, below which the drug is ineffective and a ceiling concentration, Q, above which the drug is dangerous. Thus, the physician would like the have the concentration C(t) satisfy

user posted image

This requirement helps determine the initial dose of a drug and when the next dose should be administered.

Since we are assuming that when the drug is administered, it is diffused so rapidly throughout the bloodstream that, for all practical purposes, it reaches its highest concentration almost instantaneously, and we would see a spike in the concentration of the drug when the new dose is given, as shown in the piecewise functions below:

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plot Piecewise[{{0, x<0}, {50*e^(-1.368*x), 0<=x<1}, {62.5*e^(-1.368*(x-1)), 1<=x<2}, {65.625*e^(-1.368*(x-2)), 2<=x<3}, {66.4063*e^(-1.368*(x-3)), 3<=x<4}, {66.6016*e^(-1.368*(x-4)), 4<=x<5}}]


As you can see below, the two concentrations (graphs) in the body just before and after every dose as functions of number of dose, are in fact the upper-bound and lower-bound envelopes of the exponential decay model. They are finite data, and not continuous graphs, which you must point out clearly in your assignment Q.1(b). It is advised to use dashed-lines instead of solid lines.

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 3 2014, 05:45 AM)
Your friend is sure stingy. Gave you formula but no explanation. Anyhow, look at my approach careful. The final formula in the outcome, I've eliminated the Σ sign from the general formula and it is replaced with a more efficient formula. icon_idea.gif

Part 1 ::
user posted image

Part 2 ::
user posted image
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An intricate steps of approach indeed, thanks for your amazing input as always smile.gif . Took me some time there to assimilate all of them sweat.gif .
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QUOTE(sagethesausage @ Aug 3 2014, 12:18 PM)
Everything is going to the dogs... For subjects like PA and Bio I've read through half the textbook but have yet to put in the effort to actually MEMORISE them. There's no time to do so either, as just completing Maths T exercises sucks away 90% of my free time.

For Chemistry, I'm not too worried as I have a very good and helpful Chem tuition teacher. biggrin.gif

Wasting my whole holiday to hangout with classmates was a terrible idea, and I regret dicking around so much, sure it was fun, but now I'll probably flunk my exams. I need to learn to say no to my friends and prioritise what's important in my life. Hopefully I can still get back on track by starting to work hard starting today.

How about you?
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Right now, you're at which chapter in Chemistry and Maths T ?

It wasn't a terrible idea I think, and you should be glad because those moments that you spend with your classmates during the recent holiday just might be the final one until you complete the first term in November.

For both Physics and Chemistry, our teachers are picking up speed and I guess that if I don't do anything to keep up with their rhythm, I might fall behind in those 2 subjects. There are lots of work to do, a plethora of new stuffs to uncover and even with the boost of speed in the coverage of said syllabus, I don't think that our class will manage to finish the entire syllabus before the trials.

I'm quite alright with Maths T, but I really need more practice and that comes with a cost of huge amount of time like you've mentioned, and that goes the same for Physics and Chemistry. Besides, the scarcity of time seems to hinder me from doing my work. I'm toiling arduously to master most of the content in the Chapter 3 and 4 of Chemistry as of now.

I'm really appalled by my recent performance in PA. I've read through some notes from the textbook and it didn't really help me much, especially when it comes to the essay section. It's pretty stagnant I'd say.

Overall, my progress is going south. That has to be changed.


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My equation obtained is slightly different than yours. I got This  blink.gif
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Good. That just shows that my methods that I used to derive the equation for user posted image must be wrong somewhere, and there are different approaches that will lead to different equations that yield the same result.

QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Aug 3 2014, 12:59 PM)
Referring to post #101 by sagethesausage, I want to seek clarification for no 2 (A)

Do we need to list out all the values until Q8 or until Qn?
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I think it should only be until user posted image, as question 2(a) is correlated with the first question about user posted image, where it's stated that n=1,2,3,...,8.

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Do we need to list out all the values until Q8 or until Qn?
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I think it should only be until user posted image, as question 2(a) is correlated with the first question about user posted image, where it's stated that n=1,2,3,...,8.
The purpose of Q.2a(i) is to test your understanding and ability to calculate the steady-state concentrations of both the minimum effective level and the safe limit. In fact, there is no significant difference in concentration between user posted image and user posted image. You should be able to interpret the following graph:

user posted image

From the function of the upper-bound envelope, we see that the time constant, τ = 0.7213 day. Using this info, we can predict that the concentration Q(t) will reach steady-state at 4τ = 2.8852 days, or about 3 hours before the 4th dose is given. This is consistent with the graph.

user posted image

For this reason, in Q.2a(ii) and Q.2a(iii), you need to calculate the concentration of the dosage at least up to Q4 or the 4th dose, in order to determine the drug effectiveness of 50 mg daily dosage on a 35-kg person and a 60-kg person. If you want to, you can also calculate the time interval of ineffectiveness for a specific person before the 2nd dose is given, and justify whether this ineffective time window is acceptable or not.

For example, the minimum effective level for a 35-kg person is 14 mg. And it takes roughly 22 hours from the initial dose 50 mg for the concentration to drop below 14 mg. Say if the 35-kg patient is given IV drip every morning 9:00 a.m., then the ineffective time window is between 7:00 a.m. (14.0 mg) to 9:00 a.m. (12.5 mg) or 2 hours before the 2nd dose is given. Is this acceptable from the physician's view? unsure.gif

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Right now, you're at which chapter in Chemistry and Maths T ?

It wasn't a terrible idea I think, and you should be glad because those moments that you spend with your classmates during the recent holiday just might be the final one until you complete the first term in November.

For both Physics and Chemistry, our teachers are picking up speed and I guess that if I don't do anything to keep up with their rhythm, I might fall behind in those 2 subjects. There are lots of work to do, a plethora of new stuffs to uncover and even with the boost of speed in the coverage of said syllabus, I don't think that our class will manage to finish the entire syllabus before the trials.

I'm quite alright with Maths T, but I really need more practice and that comes with a cost of huge amount of time like you've mentioned, and that goes the same for Physics and Chemistry. Besides, the scarcity of time seems to hinder me from doing my work. I'm toiling arduously to master most of the content in the Chapter 3 and 4 of Chemistry as of now.

I'm really appalled by my recent performance in PA. I've read through some notes from the textbook and it didn't really help me much, especially when it comes to the essay section. It's pretty stagnant I'd say.

Overall, my progress is going south. That has to be changed.
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My Chemistry teacher is rushing through the syllabus like the world is going to end tomorrow...my class is at chp 6 now. As for Maths T, we're at the part about complex root.

Also I noticed your posting time, "3:14AM". Bro do you even sleep???

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An intricate steps of approach indeed, thanks for your amazing input as always smile.gif . Took me some time there to assimilate all of them sweat.gif .
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Thanks for your help, kind sir. Admittedly the formula you posted was a bit hard to digest though, since we've never learned anything of the sort before (or maybe it could just be due to my own incompetency in maths).
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Well that took longer than I expected.  Was already typing half of the assignment when it suddenly uploaded the picture. Sorry for being slow
user posted image

Is your weight truly 50 kg? We are looking at this range of dosage:

user posted image

Using the formula of sum to infinity, you can calculate the upper range (safe level) of the initial dose based on your body weight.

user posted image

Similarly, from the derived formula of the concentration just before the 2nd dose, you can calculate the lower range (effective level) of the initial dose based on your body weight.

user posted image

However, there is a conflict because the value of the lower range cannot be higher than the value of the upper range. Because the safe limit is of higher priority, we need to determine the concentration just before the 3rd dose:

user posted image

Thus, the effective and safe dosage for every 24 hours should be at this range:

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But the system makes and forces you to work very hard compared to the terminal system (due to the number of workloads + assignments + projects) and that makes you study harder and therefore score better.

Exam questions have not got any easier. We did past year questions, we can tell.
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No.

But the system makes and forces you to work very hard compared to the terminal system (due to the number of workloads + assignments + projects) and that makes you study harder and therefore score better.

Exam questions have not got any easier. We did past year questions, we can tell.
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Thanks for clarifying us on that question 2a(i) smile.gif .Yes, I've too found out that when the n approaches infinity, the result obtained from user posted image is not different from that of user posted image.

I also discussed with my classmate about the question 1(a), and I'm relieved to say that I know where my mistakes are and all my doubts have been cleared. I made an error when I failed to find out the correct equation for user posted image, which is supposed to be 50.0000( in post #106). This is the another method that I used:user posted image

When n=1,2,3,4...
user posted image
user posted image
user posted image
user posted image

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When we keep on increasing the n until n=∞, the quantity of quinine that is in the body will converge to a constant of 66.6667
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Dear scgoh123 and sagethesausage, do both of you happen to got your hands on any Chemistry books that are not published specifically for STPM students, yet are still capable of guiding us throughout the semester? unsure.gif

The reason I asked because yesterday I found a Chemistry book from my school's library which is very compact with lots of notes and information. But, I find it hard to get along with it as most of the content in it are not under the scope of STPM syllabus. But, if you're an avid reader, then why don't you give it a try and search it in your school library? nod.gif

Title: Chemistry(4th Edition)
Author: John E. McMurry, Robert C. Fay
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*On the side-note: The one that I have from the school is the old one, as there is the 6th Edition for it.

Another book that hooked me on is the one that my classmate has, and compared to the above book, this one seems to cover more of STPM syllabus. There are numerous interesting explanations that we can fathom if we scrutinize them and I've lot to see on what it can offer. I had only superficially went through certain sections under the Ideal Gas Law and some other part pertaining to allotropes and unit cell, but what I can say is that it will be a very good tool for those who want to elevate their knowledge of Chemistry on a whole new level and sharpens their insight about this subject.

Title: Chemistry: The Molecular Nature of Matter and Change
Author: Martin Silberberg
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Dear scgoh123 and sagethesausage, do both of you happen to got your hands on any Chemistry books that are not published specifically for STPM students, yet are still capable of guiding us throughout the semester? unsure.gif
Most Introductory Chemistry textbooks cover more or less the same general materials. They usually differ in the way the authors organize the materials to help students developing a solid understanding and good command of the fundamentals of molecular chemistry. Search for this book in your library. Please inform maximR as well. Because Chemistry and Physics are the two major branches of science that study matter, many physicists also acquire a good command of general chemistry. icon_rolleyes.gif

Chemistry: A Molecular Approach, 3/e (2014) by Nivaldo J. Tro
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 6 2014, 07:06 AM)
Most Introductory Chemistry textbooks cover more or less the same general materials. They usually differ in the way the authors organize the materials to help students developing a solid understanding and good command of the fundamentals of molecular chemistry. Search for this book in your library. Please inform maximR as well. Because Chemistry and Physics are the two major branches of science that study matter, many physicists also acquire a good command of general chemistry. icon_rolleyes.gif

Chemistry: A Molecular Approach, 3/e (2014) by Nivaldo J. Tro
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Thanks for your recommendation. I've searched in my school's library but there isn't any book that matches with it. I will try to get it via the e-book if I'm able to. smile.gif

There could hardly be any chance that most of the Form 6 students to get their hands on these books nowadays as they are specifically made for the terminal system, but since I was able to find 2 decent Chemistry books that are beyond the STPM level in my library, I think everyone should give it a try nonetheless.

Title:Federal Topical Tutorial(Physics)
Author(s):Lam Chok Sang, Lim Seang Kee
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For Physics, I'm using this book as a tool for my revision. I have not complete much of the exercises yet, but according to one of my classmates, he has a steadfast progress in doing most of the exercises in that book and he told me that even the first few topics of those exercises are making him 'nuts'. Apparently, the authors for the book are Lam Chok Sang and Lim Seang Kee, and both of them too are the authors for the Longman (Physics Term 1). The questions in the book(Federal Topical Tutorial(Physics)) are extremely challenging, and that was why I decided to only try them out after I truly understand the concept of each single chapter.

Title:Federal Topical Tutorial(Physical Chemistry)
Author: Krishnasamy Samynathan
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I would say this is the best book for the subject Chemistry, right after Longman(Chemistry Term 1). For me, while Longman has the best explanations and in-depth notes for the subject, the Federal has the best exercises and questions.

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Dear scgoh123 and sagethesausage, do both of you happen to got your hands on any Chemistry books that are not published specifically for STPM students, yet are still capable of guiding us throughout the semester? unsure.gif

The reason I asked because yesterday I found a Chemistry book from my school's library which is very compact with lots of notes and information. But, I find it hard to get along with it as most of the content in it are not under the scope of STPM syllabus. But, if you're an avid reader, then why don't you give it a try and search it in your school library? nod.gif

Title: Chemistry(4th Edition)
Author: John E. McMurry, Robert C. Fay
user posted image
*On the side-note: The one that I have from the school is the old one, as there is the 6th Edition for it.

Another book that hooked me on is the one that my classmate has, and compared to the above book, this one seems to cover more of STPM syllabus. There are numerous interesting explanations that we can fathom if we scrutinize them and I've lot to see on what it can offer. I had only superficially went through certain sections under the Ideal Gas Law and some other part pertaining to allotropes and unit cell, but what I can say is that it will be a very good tool for those who want to elevate their knowledge of Chemistry on a whole new level and sharpens their insight about this subject.

Title: Chemistry: The Molecular Nature of Matter and Change
Author: Martin Silberberg
user posted image
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For chemistry, I used Collins Advanced Science - Chemistry
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For physics, I used College Physics – Paperback (2012) by Alan Giambattista. McGraw Hill Higher Education 4th Revised edition
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Thanks for your recommendation. I've searched in my school's library but there isn't any book that matches with it. I will try to get it via the e-book if I'm able to. smile.gif

There could hardly be any chance that most of the Form 6 students to get their hands on these books nowadays as they are specifically made for the terminal system, but since I was able to find 2 decent Chemistry books that are beyond the STPM level in my library, I think everyone should give it a try nonetheless.

Title:Federal Topical Tutorial(Physics)
Author(s):Lam Chok Sang, Lim Seang Kee
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For Physics, I'm using this book as a tool for my revision. I have not complete much of the exercises yet, but according to one of my classmates, he has a steadfast progress in doing most of the exercises in that book and he told me that even the first few topics of those exercises are making him 'nuts'. Apparently, the authors for the book are Lam Chok Sang and Lim Seang Kee, and both of them too are the authors for the Longman (Physics Term 1). The questions in the book(Federal Topical Tutorial(Physics)) are extremely challenging, and that was why I decided to only try them out after I truly understand the concept of each single chapter.

Title:Federal Topical Tutorial(Physical Chemistry)
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I would say this is the best book for the subject Chemistry, right after Longman(Chemistry Term 1). For me, while Longman has the best explanations and in-depth notes for the subject, the Federal has the best exercises and questions.
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I use the Longman book for notes too, way more informative than the Ace Ahead book that was set as our textbook. I wonder why the teachers want us to use an inferior book as our textbook though. For exercises I just rely on my tuition teacher cause he covers all chapters very well. Maybe I find those books to read after sem 1 stpm during the holidays when I'm free.

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I use the Longman book for notes too,  way more informative than the Ace Ahead book that was set as our textbook. I wonder why the teachers want us to use an inferior book as our textbook though (rasuah involved probably). For exercises I just rely on my tuition teacher cause he covers all chapters very well. Maybe I find those books to read after sem 1 stpm during the holidays when I'm free.
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It's because Oxford is a more reputable publisher than Pearson Longman. It's true, because that's how majority thinks. My friends also preferred Oxford books because the publisher is more famous. To me, I chose authors over publisher, and Longman Physics for first term is indeed good. Second and third are not good enough (for Physics).

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Is Federal a publisher or collection a series of books? I'm pretty sure I have not come across with this book in bookshops or even my teachers rclxub.gif
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Nope, the author for yours is different than that of mine albeit the fact that both of them are published under Federal. I wonder why Federal Publication has stopped publishing their books? Most of them are good in quality and I even have one Further Maths book (first published in 1989) that is very old. It was given to me by my Form 5 Add Math teacher.
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I use the Longman book for notes too,  way more informative than the Ace Ahead book that was set as our textbook. I wonder why the teachers want us to use an inferior book as our textbook though (rasuah involved probably).
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Mainly because our teachers want to standardize all of our learning medium during in the class. Besides, teacher will mostly give some examples or even questions from the textbook as homework and it will be really difficult to deal with if the book that the teacher is using is different from the students'.
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Is Federal a publisher or collection a series of books? I'm pretty sure I have not come across with this book in bookshops or even my teachers rclxub.gif
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It was a publishing company.

Like I've said in my previous post about both of the Federal books(Physics and Chemistry), they have stopped publishing books under Federal some time ago. So, it wasn't shocking at all if you haven't even stumble across one at anywhere or form anyone.

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Nope, the author for yours is different than that of mine albeit the fact that both of them are published under Federal. I wonder why Federal Publication has stopped publishing their books? Most of them are good in quality and I even have one Further Maths book (first published in 1989) that is very old. It was given to me by my Form 5 Add Math teacher.
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I think it's because of the decline in students who are taking STPM, or lack of experienced authors to revise or republish the book, or the implementation of the new semester system icon_idea.gif
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I think it's because of the decline in students who are taking STPM, or lack of experienced authors to revise or republish the book, or the implementation of the new semester system  icon_idea.gif
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So, how are your preparations for STPM first term going? Oh, and do you have fun time in learning Physics Chapter 6: Gravitation? sweat.gif

If my memory serves me correctly, you also told me that you had your trials in last month(July) right? How was it?
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So, how are your preparations for STPM first term going? Oh, and do you have fun time in learning Physics Chapter 6: Gravitation? sweat.gif

If my memory serves me correctly, you also told me that you had your trials in last month(July) right? How was it?
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its stressful, but i will try to overcome it. i have hard times tackling with physics questions.

sorry for misleading you. my school had postponed the exam to next week, and im feeling stressed right now – no mercy for homework and koku activities although exam is near sad.gif

how about you ? seems that you are on the track of stpm.

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its stressful, but i will try to overcome it. i have hard times tackling with physics questions.

sorry for misleading you. my school had postponed the exam to next week, and im feeling stressed right now – no mercy for homework and koku activities although exam is near sad.gif

how about you ? seems that you are on the track of stpm.
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I couldn't agree more with you regarding the bold part above. When it comes to STPM Physics, it's on a whole different level than SPM, by a big shot I'd say. You might as well just skim through all of the notes and read all of the answers from the past year SPM papers, rinse and repeat the steps, and you'll might just end up getting at least an A-(a solid A or possibly even A+ if you're lucky). But, if anyone is considering to rehash the exact method and apply it in STPM, he's doomed.

I can't say much about Biology since I don't sit for the exam, but after I've been 3 months in lower 6 toiling arduously in my studies, it's fare to say that Physics requires not only some basic knowledge from us, but, we are also required to have some critical thinking skills and come up with a different approach to solve various questions that are tricky. It wasn't as straight-forward as Maths T(but I don't imply that Maths is a joke though).

Good luck for your upcoming exams then! icon_rolleyes.gif Yup, not only me, my whole batch of lower 6-ers even feel the sheer pressure to cope with the first term that draws near, let alone that we have a MUET test in that exact same month. rclxub.gif

Nope, I'm hardly on the track. Lots of work to be completed, lots of topics to be unveiled, lots of catch-up to do, and my mind is telling me that 24 hours per day ain't gonna suffice. For most of the time, I'll just come back from school, complete my homework for that day, and recap/revise on what I had learned. And before I knew it, it is already 12.00 a.m. Occasionally, I'll work/study till 3 to 4 am if I'm coerced to.


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Greetings sagethesausage and scgoh123,

Do both of you have any samples of past year MUET essay that are written by students that managed to achieve Band 4, 5 or even 6?
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UPU results are out today and almost all my friends who didn't score above 3.00 CGPA didn't get a single offer AT ALL.

So yup, do well =)
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Greetings sagethesausage and scgoh123,

Do both of you have any samples of past year MUET essay that are written by students that managed to achieve Band 4, 5 or even 6?
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I've got some incredibly useful notes. I think there's a band 6 essay in there somewhere too. I'll try my best to upload them tomorrow.

Btw, try to get your hands on an SAT book. Helps a lot in brushing up your grammar.
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QUOTE(300thecat @ Aug 12 2014, 09:40 PM)
I've got some incredibly useful notes. I think there's a band 6 essay in there somewhere too. I'll try my best to upload them tomorrow.

Btw, try to get your hands on an SAT book. Helps a lot in brushing up your grammar.
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Thanks a lot, senior! rclxms.gif We're gonna appreciate the input.

I did lots of blunders in my first try in writing a MUET essay, partly because I'm not fully seasoned with the academic-style writing format preached by my teacher. But, I did come across an essay which was Band 6 if I'm not mistaken, and after I read the whole essay, my teacher told me that it was more of a journalist-style of approach rather than an academic-style blink.gif .


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QUOTE(300thecat @ Aug 12 2014, 09:39 PM)
UPU results are out today and almost all my friends who didn't score above 3.00 CGPA didn't get a single offer AT ALL.

So yup, do well =)
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It was expected. They will always prioritize the students from matriculation, or asasi, and finally reserve some place for STPM students. I don't really know if it's me or something else, but I'm more inclined to prefer IPTS(better yet, study abroad) rather than IPTA to continue my undergraduate studies after I completed my STPM. But, thanks to my family's inevitable financial crisis, I have to accept what I'm offered.

Thanks for wishing us! smile.gif Anyway, it seems like you rejected an offer from UM Law, and are planning to study abroad. Mind telling me which university in UK that you've opted? Your unwavering effort in STPM has granted you not only good results in your overall STPM grade, but it also gave you a golden opportunity to face more challenges in abroad.

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I'm really sorry but I think I must have thrown away my notes when i shifted to my new house early this year. Rummaged through my old school stuff but I couldn't find them...sorry to let you guys down.

I've read a sample of a Band 6 and Band 5 essay before and I honestly thought that the latter was much more interesting and creative, yet was scored lower. I think that it all boils down to the examiner, so just go ahead and follow your own style. Try your best to score in Listening and Reading though. People often take those two sections for granted.
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Thanks for wishing us! smile.gif Anyway, it seems like you rejected an offer from UM Law, and are planning to study abroad. Mind telling me which university in UK that you've opted? Your unwavering effort in STPM has granted you not only good results in your overall STPM grade, but it also gave you a golden opportunity to face more challenges in abroad.

Wish you a best of success in your life! icon_rolleyes.gif
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I've got some incredibly useful notes. I think there's a band 6 essay in there somewhere too. I'll try my best to upload them tomorrow.

Btw, try to get your hands on an SAT book. Helps a lot in brushing up your grammar.
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Can you please tell me the name of the SAT book you're referring to? tongue.gif
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Hey guys.. My teacher asked all the students to pass the introduction for Math T coursework.. I didnt do anything yet.. I dont know how to start the paragraph.. Someone help me!! T-T
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Hey guys.. My teacher asked all the students to pass the introduction for Math T coursework.. I didnt do anything yet.. I dont know how to start the paragraph.. Someone help me!! T-T
1. Background
2. The Problem
3. The Proposed Solution
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Background of the quinine and malaria?? Or what?
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Background of the quinine and malaria?? Or what?
The ordinary way of writing a typical Introduction:

1. Background
Malaria is caused by a parasite called Plasmodium, which is transmitted via the bites of infected female Anopheles mosquitoes. In the human body, the parasites multiply in the liver, and then infect red blood cells.

2. The Problem
Symptoms of malaria include fever, headache, and vomiting, and usually appear between 10 and 15 days after the mosquito bite. If not treated, malaria can quickly become life-threatening by disrupting the blood supply to vital organs. In 2010, an estimated 219 million cases of malaria occurred worldwide and 660,000 people died, most (91%) in the African Region.

3. The Proposed Solution
Key interventions to control malaria include: prompt and effective treatment with artemisinin-based combination therapies; use of insecticidal nets by people at risk; and indoor residual spraying with insecticide to control the vector mosquitoes.

Treatment of malaria depends on many factors including disease severity, the species of malaria parasite causing the infection and the part of the world in which the infection was acquired. The latter 2 characteristics help determine the probability that the organism is resistant to certain antimalarial drugs. Additional factors such as age, weight, and pregnancy status may limit the available options for malaria treatment.

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The Harry Potter way of writing an interesting Introduction:

It was nearing midnight and I could have written a wonderful Introduction tonight, but I was tired. Not because of bad dreams or pressure at work. No, I was sleepy because of a small winged, creature who snuck into my room and proceeded to offer a high pitched tone directly into my ear. When I turned on the lights to find it, it was not there. When I gave up and attempted sleep, buzzzz… or maybe zzzzinnng? I would find the perfect word, but as mentioned, I am too tired.

Many people have had this annoying experience with mosquitoes. In fact, according to Animal Planet's The Most Extreme, Season 3, #36: The animals with the highest human kill counts, Mosquitoes are actually the most dangerous animals in the world, killing more than two million people per year. Malaria or a disease resembling malaria has been noted for more than 4,000 years. From the Italian for “bad air,” mal’aria has probably influenced to a great extent human populations and human history.

On August 20th, 1897, Ronald Ross, a British officer in the Indian Medical Service, was the first to demonstrate that malaria parasites could be transmitted from infected patients to mosquitoes. In further work with bird malaria, Ross showed that mosquitoes could transmit malaria parasites from bird to bird. Thus, the problem of malaria transmission was solved. For his discovery, Ross was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1902. (you carry on...)
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The ordinary way of writing a typical Introduction:

1. Background
Malaria is caused by a parasite called Plasmodium, which is transmitted via the bites of infected female Anopheles mosquitoes. In the human body, the parasites multiply in the liver, and then infect red blood cells.

2. The Problem
Symptoms of malaria include fever, headache, and vomiting, and usually appear between 10 and 15 days after the mosquito bite. If not treated, malaria can quickly become life-threatening by disrupting the blood supply to vital organs. In 2010, an estimated 219 million cases of malaria occurred worldwide and 660,000 people died, most (91%) in the African Region.

3. The Proposed Solution
Key interventions to control malaria include: prompt and effective treatment with artemisinin-based combination therapies; use of insecticidal nets by people at risk; and indoor residual spraying with insecticide to control the vector mosquitoes.

Treatment of malaria depends on many factors including disease severity, the species of malaria parasite causing the infection and the part of the world in which the infection was acquired. The latter 2 characteristics help determine the probability that the organism is resistant to certain antimalarial drugs. Additional factors such as age, weight, and pregnancy status may limit the available options for malaria treatment.

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The Harry Potter way of writing an interesting Introduction:

It was nearing midnight and I could have written a wonderful Introduction tonight, but I was tired. Not because of bad dreams or pressure at work. No, I was sleepy because of a small winged, creature who snuck into my room and proceeded to offer a high pitched tone directly into my ear. When I turned on the lights to find it, it was not there. When I gave up and attempted sleep, buzzzz… or maybe zzzzinnng? I would find the perfect word, but as mentioned, I am too tired.

Many people have had this annoying experience with mosquitoes. In fact, according to Animal Planet's The Most Extreme, Season 3, #36: The animals with the highest human kill counts, Mosquitoes are actually the most dangerous animals in the world, killing more than two million people per year. Malaria or a disease resembling malaria has been noted for more than 4,000 years. From the Italian for “bad air,” mal’aria has probably influenced to a great extent human populations and human history.

On August 20th, 1897, Ronald Ross, a British officer in the Indian Medical Service, was the first to demonstrate that malaria parasites could be transmitted from infected patients to mosquitoes. In further work with bird malaria, Ross showed that mosquitoes could transmit malaria parasites from bird to bird. Thus, the problem of malaria transmission was solved. For his discovery, Ross was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1902. (you carry on...)
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 15 2014, 08:29 PM)
The ordinary way of writing a typical Introduction:

1. Background
Malaria is caused by a parasite called Plasmodium, which is transmitted via the bites of infected female Anopheles mosquitoes. In the human body, the parasites multiply in the liver, and then infect red blood cells.

2. The Problem
Symptoms of malaria include fever, headache, and vomiting, and usually appear between 10 and 15 days after the mosquito bite. If not treated, malaria can quickly become life-threatening by disrupting the blood supply to vital organs. In 2010, an estimated 219 million cases of malaria occurred worldwide and 660,000 people died, most (91%) in the African Region.

3. The Proposed Solution
Key interventions to control malaria include: prompt and effective treatment with artemisinin-based combination therapies; use of insecticidal nets by people at risk; and indoor residual spraying with insecticide to control the vector mosquitoes.

Treatment of malaria depends on many factors including disease severity, the species of malaria parasite causing the infection and the part of the world in which the infection was acquired. The latter 2 characteristics help determine the probability that the organism is resistant to certain antimalarial drugs. Additional factors such as age, weight, and pregnancy status may limit the available options for malaria treatment.

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The Harry Potter way of writing an interesting Introduction:

It was nearing midnight and I could have written a wonderful Introduction tonight, but I was tired. Not because of bad dreams or pressure at work. No, I was sleepy because of a small winged, creature who snuck into my room and proceeded to offer a high pitched tone directly into my ear. When I turned on the lights to find it, it was not there. When I gave up and attempted sleep, buzzzz… or maybe zzzzinnng? I would find the perfect word, but as mentioned, I am too tired.

Many people have had this annoying experience with mosquitoes. In fact, according to Animal Planet's The Most Extreme, Season 3, #36: The animals with the highest human kill counts, Mosquitoes are actually the most dangerous animals in the world, killing more than two million people per year. Malaria or a disease resembling malaria has been noted for more than 4,000 years. From the Italian for “bad air,” mal’aria has probably influenced to a great extent human populations and human history.

On August 20th, 1897, Ronald Ross, a British officer in the Indian Medical Service, was the first to demonstrate that malaria parasites could be transmitted from infected patients to mosquitoes. In further work with bird malaria, Ross showed that mosquitoes could transmit malaria parasites from bird to bird. Thus, the problem of malaria transmission was solved. For his discovery, Ross was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1902. (you carry on...)
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Where can I see an example of methodology?I'm stuck there without any idea on how to start,and the teacher asked me to pass up by this Tuesday. shocking.gif
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UPU results are out today and almost all my friends who didn't score above 3.00 CGPA didn't get a single offer AT ALL.

So yup, do well =)
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The newspaper even published someone who got CGPA 4.00 in STPM and decent koku marks are not offered the course she wants in IPTA. I'm feeling sad for her, and I know how she feels cry.gif

I don't know why STPM leavers are offered so less placing in IPTA despite it's under government . vmad.gif

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I'm really sorry but I think I must have thrown away my notes when i shifted to my new house early this year. Rummaged through my old school stuff but I couldn't find them...sorry to let you guys down.

I've read a sample of a Band 6 and Band 5 essay before and I honestly thought that the latter was much more interesting and creative, yet was scored lower. I think that it all boils down to the examiner, so just go ahead and follow your own style. Try your best to score in Listening and Reading though. People often take those two sections for granted.

Thanks.

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The newspaper even published someone who got CGPA 4.00 in STPM and decent koku marks are not offered the course she wants in IPTA. I'm feeling sad for her, and I know how she feels  cry.gif

I don't know why STPM leavers are offered so less placing in IPTA despite it's under government .  vmad.gif
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Yeah, saw it too. Wonder if we could somehow lend a hand.... I wouldn't know what I'll feel if I'm in her shoes. cry.gif
But I have a lot of seniors who got places and it was their 1st or 3rd choices, I even have one senior where she got 3.25 CGPA and secured two places in two public universities. One was from USM another from UPM, though I would add that she chose Applied Biology and Environmental Science... hmm.gif
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Yeah, saw it too. Wonder if we could somehow lend a hand.... I wouldn't know what I'll feel if I'm in her shoes.  cry.gif
But I have a lot of seniors who got places and it was their 1st or 3rd choices, I even have one senior where she got 3.25 CGPA and secured two places in two public universities. One was from USM another from UPM, though I would add that she chose Applied Biology and Environmental Science...  hmm.gif
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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, can you answer the following questions? blush.gif I got them from my Chemistry quiz sheet.

1.) Why does dry ice create fog?

2.) Why does your tongue sticks to a freezing metal pole?

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QUOTE(Davion96 @ Aug 17 2014, 07:35 PM)
Where can I see an example of methodology? I'm stuck there without any idea on how to start, and the teacher asked me to pass up by this Tuesday.  shocking.gif
Methodology is commonly viewed as a combination of general principles and specialized techniques.

What kind of principles and techniques normally used by the ordinary people and the professionals?

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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, can you answer the following questions? blush.gif I got them from my Chemistry quiz sheet.

1.) Why does dry ice create fog?

2.) Why does your tongue sticks to a freezing metal pole?

PS: One doesn't necessarily require information or academic level of up to STPM to answer the above questions. smile.gif
I thought I can explain that using Physics! sweat.gif
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But, one thing remains unclear. Although the answer for the question no.2.) that was given by my teacher is the same as the one I found out from a lecturer, the explanations are somewhat different. hmm.gif
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Well sir, of course you can. biggrin.gif

But, one thing remains unclear. Although the answer for the question no.2.) that was given by my teacher is the same as the one I found out from a lecturer, the explanations are somewhat different. hmm.gif
Put a metal spoon into the freezer for 30 min. icon_rolleyes.gif
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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, can you answer the following questions? blush.gif I got them from my Chemistry quiz sheet.

1.) Why does dry ice create fog?

2.) Why does your tongue sticks to a freezing metal pole?

PS: One doesn't necessarily require information or academic level of up to STPM to answer the above questions. smile.gif
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for no 1, when dry ice is pleced in water, sublimation is acceler
ated, carbon dioxide gas causes nearby water vapour to condense and form a thick white fog

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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, can you answer the following questions? blush.gif I got them from my Chemistry quiz sheet.

1.) Why does dry ice create fog?

2.) Why does your tongue sticks to a freezing metal pole?

PS: One doesn't necessarily require information or academic level of up to STPM to answer the above questions. smile.gif
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1. Because dry ice is very, very cold. Dry ice is solid CO2, and from what we learn in Chemistry Chp 4, it sublimates into gas at atmospheric temperature. The gas cause a sudden drop in temperature. This drop in temperature causes tiny droplets of water vapour in the surrounding air to condense and form a visible fog.

2. Thermal conductivity of metal is very strong. It pulls heat much from your toungue much faster than the rate of your blood warming it up, causing moisture on your tongue to freeze, creating ice that latch your tongue to the pole.

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Actually, I did that when I was in primary 5. I put the spoon in the refrigerator for more than 3 hours. I placed it onto my tongue and it did stick on it. However, the result I got was kind of disappointing and the adherence of the spoon on my tongue was not as effective as the ones I saw on the television where a man's tongue adhered firmly to a metal pole. They even need to pour warm water onto the frozen metal to remove his tongue from sticking on it.
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2. Thermal conductivity of metal is very strong. It pulls heat much from your toungue much faster than the rate of your blood warming it up, causing moisture on your tongue to freeze, creating ice that latch your tongue to the pole.
What intrinsic property that causes the ice to latch your tongue to the metal pole? sweat.gif
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can anyone explain further on the moivre theorem, exponential, logarithm function, and how to plot graph for rational functions? any help is appreciated.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 17 2014, 10:10 PM)
Actually, I did that when I was in primary 5. I put the spoon in the refrigerator for more than 3 hours. I placed it onto my tongue and it did stick on it. However, the result I got was kind of disappointing and the adherence of the spoon on my tongue was not as effective as the ones I saw on the television where a man's tongue adhered firmly to a metal pole. They even need to pour warm water onto the frozen metal to remove his tongue from sticking on it.
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That's because a spoon only have a small amount of metal and thus warms up very quickly. If you want to recreate what you see on tv, try putting a hammer into your freezer hehe. Or maybe it's because freezer (0 degree celsius) is not cold enough? I don't really know what is the temperature required for intense tongue-latching to occur.

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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, can you answer the following questions? blush.gif I got them from my Chemistry quiz sheet.

1.) Why does dry ice create fog?

2.) Why does your tongue sticks to a freezing metal pole?

PS: One doesn't necessarily require information or academic level of up to STPM to answer the above questions. smile.gif
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You got me there rclxub.gif Hahaha. Proving that I have not catch up on my reading and how 'intelligent' I am ohmy.gif
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What intrinsic property that causes the ice to latch your tongue to the metal pole? sweat.gif
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Because water can take up any shape (or the shape of the container it's in). So when the moisture on your tongue freezes, the ice will form in the pores of your tongue and of the metal pole.

Ok, I'll admit that I don't know. Just talking out of my ass. sweat.gif

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1. Because dry ice is very, very cold. Dry ice is solid CO2, and from what we learn in Chemistry Chp 4, it sublimates into gas at atmospheric temperature. The gas cause a sudden drop in temperature. This drop in temperature causes tiny droplets of water vapour in the surrounding air to condense and form a visible fog.

2. Thermal conductivity of metal is very strong. It pulls heat much from your toungue much faster than the rate of your blood warming it up, causing moisture on your tongue to freeze, creating ice that latch your tongue to the pole.
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Great, thanks for posting the answers! rclxms.gif

In the question 2.), our tongue will freeze because it's coated with a layer of water, in this case it's saliva. So, it will form ice almost instantly if it's cooled at extremely low temperature and that causes our tongue to bond with the metal.

Also, since our body generate heat to some extent, why does the body can't be able to keep our saliva from freezing with the metal pole? It's due to the fact that our body doesn't generate sufficient amount of heat energy under a short amount of time, like you've mentioned. On the other hand, a metal such as the lamp post has a very high conductivity, meaning that it can transport heat away from our body rapidly. But, that's true only on one condition, the metal must be at extremely low temperature, or otherwise our tongue won't adhere firmly on it.

Now, if I were to take a wooden spoon or a metal post and juxtapose them to see which of these 2 objects are able to stick on my tongue, the answer will always NOT be the wood?

It's due to the fact that wood can't conduct heat from our body at a faster rate like the metal because wood or some substances that made from plastics have very poor thermal conductivity, meaning that these substances transport heat away from our body under a longer amount of time. Ergo, our body doesn't have a problem to quickly generate sufficient heat energy to replace the lost ones on our tongue. In other words, our tongue will only get cold when they are in contact with wood or plastics surfaces, but they surely won't freeze up.

Credits for the above explanations go to Prof. Phil Hultin.

But again, my Chemistry teacher said that there is a 'force' pulling the tongue towards the metal when the heat flows from a hotter region(tongue) to a colder region(metal) via conduction.

So, which is acceptable? hmm.gif

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I think a professor is more credible than a teacher... I've never read anything about pulling force being produced when heat flows from hotter region to colder region (Disclaimer: I could be wrong as I don't study STPM Physics)
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You got me there rclxub.gif Hahaha. Proving that I have not catch up on my reading and how 'intelligent' I am ohmy.gif
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No and no. This is not about proving whose is catching-up to the syllabus or who is more clever. The reason on why I'm posting these questions is that I want to share this knowledge to everyone that doesn't necessarily require any detail knowledge of the Form 6 level. That was also why I intentionally pick these 2 questions instead of other questions in the quiz sheet that requires more in-depth knowledge of the Form 6 syllabus.

In fact, most of the students and friends that I know that are straight A scorers or even my one of my senior who obtained a 4.00 flat CGPA in her first term couldn't even come up with a brief answer on these kind of questions, and I'm not an exception too.

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No and no. This is not about proving whose is catching-up to the syllabus or who is more clever. The reason on why I'm posting these questions is that I want to share this knowledge to everyone that doesn't necessarily require any detail knowledge of the Form 6 level. That was also why I intentionally pick these 2 questions instead of other questions in the quiz sheet that requires more in-depth knowledge of the Form 6 syllabus.

In fact, most of the students and friends that I know that are straight A scorers or even my one of my senior who obtained a 4.00 flat CGPA in her first term couldn't even come up with a brief answer on these kind of questions, and I'm not an exception too.

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Guess I shouldn't beat myself too much huh?
Ahhh thanks. It's refreshing to have a discussion among peers who don't talk in a condescending and supercilious manner. You couldn't imagine the likes that I have to deal with in my class... Everyone's out to get you. cry.gif Thanks though, you made my day(night) brows.gif
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can anyone explain further on the moivre theorem, exponential, logarithm function, and how to plot graph for rational functions? any help is appreciated.
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Wish I could help you but Maths T is my worst subject... Can't even remember a single thing from Chapter 1. If you ever need help in any other subjects barring PA I'll be happy to help though.

I'll have to leave this job to the other Maths T experts in this thread, sorry.
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Guess I shouldn't beat myself too much huh?
Ahhh thanks. It's refreshing to have a discussion among peers who don't talk in a condescending and supercilious manner. You couldn't imagine the likes that I have to deal with in my class... Everyone's out to get you. cry.gif  Thanks though, you made my day(night)  brows.gif
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Learning for me, is one of the most interesting thing that I do, be it in aspects of academic or not. So, I don't see any reason on why we need to compare it with our classmates. Just so you know that I have a friend of mine who only got 1A in his UPSR, but he did make a shocking achievements by obtaining 9A's in his SPM examinations.

As you can see, time changes, and so does people. Today, you might beat him and that makes you the king. But, there is no guarantee that it will stay the same and the person that lost to you in the past might be capable of surpassing you in the future. So, don't bother compare your capabilities with the ones next to you. And even if you can't live without it, you can always compare with you yourself and ensure that you are better than you were in the past. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Wish I could help you but Maths T is my worst subject... Can't even remember a single thing from Chapter 1. If you ever need help in any other subjects barring PA I'll be happy to help though.
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Speaking of PA, I have a penchant for treating the PA essay like the SPM BM essay. It is blatantly wrong and I have yet to get rid of that habit from myself.

So, do you have any problems in elaboration part(huraian) of the essay? icon_question.gif
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Speaking of PA, I have a penchant for treating the PA essay like the SPM BM essay. It is blatantly wrong and I have yet to get rid of that habit from myself.

So, do you have any problems in elaboration part(huraian) of the essay? icon_question.gif
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Yeah, two years of writing flowery but contentless SPM BM essay made me suck at writing PA essay. But my biggest problem is that I can't even get the "isi utama" right! If isi wrong then whole paragraph get zero marks. For some reason my teacher accept some isi while rejecting some other isi even though it's reasonably logical. When I ask her on how to know which ones are acceptable and which ones are not, she just give some vague explanations like "this isi not good enough". What the hell man. At this rate, I'll be lucky to get a B for PA.
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scgoh123, sagethesausage, BlueMuffin, and other lower 6-ers,

Do take note that for those of you who registered for the MUET exams in the month of November 2014, the date for the Speaking test has been brought forward to the third week of October. Rest assured that for the other components in MUET test like Writing, the date for those examinations remain the same. And I guess that most of you should be knowing this by now.




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scgoh123, sagethesausage, BlueMuffin, and other lower 6-ers,

Do take note that for those of you who registered for the MUET exams in the month of November 2014, the date for the Speaking test has been brought forward to the third week of October. Rest assured that for the other components in MUET test like Writing, the date for those examinations remain the same. And I guess that most of you should be knowing this by now.
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Ah, thanks for the heads up smile.gif
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Ah, thanks for the heads up smile.gif
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So, how's your life for this week?

Specifically for this week, we have to hand in our Chemistry assignment tomorrow in which we already conducted the experiment not too long ago. Had some discussions with teacher along with our smaller groups yesterday regarding that assignment. We also have to conduct a Physics experiment tomorrow under the supervision of my school Form 6's senior assistant. And to add salt to the wound, tomorrow is also the exact date in which I have to let my Math teacher to have a check and review my Maths T assignments, as the dateline for it is this Friday.

Life surely doesn't get any 'better' than this....
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QUOTE(cheah0409 @ Aug 19 2014, 06:44 PM)
@sagethesausage how did you do for youe methodology?
i really dunno how to do.SOS SOS  cry.gif  cry.gif  rclxub.gif
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You can refer to this sample of coursework. You might learn a thing or two on how to construct your points for your introduction, methodology and conclusion. Also, for each of these components, there are different marks allocated for them.


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QUOTE(cheah0409 @ Aug 19 2014, 06:44 PM)
@sagethesausage how did you do for your methodology?
i really dunno how to do. SOS SOS  cry.gif  cry.gif  rclxub.gif
Should your teacher be blamed for failing to teach you about methodology?

The simplest methodology to work out the assignment is to apply Polya's 4-Step Problem Solving Process (click it).

1. Understand the problem
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3. Carry out the plan
4. Look back

Here is the mnemonic to help you to remember: U Don't Create Loser.

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For advanced students, you can write the methodology about Modeling with a Differential Equation. The method is similar to determine the "half-life" of any radioactive atoms that follows an exponential decay in nuclear physics. Here is the preview of the Differential Equation methodology:

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 19 2014, 02:11 PM)
scgoh123, sagethesausage, BlueMuffin, and other lower 6-ers,

Do take note that for those of you who registered for the MUET exams in the month of November 2014, the date for the Speaking test has been brought forward to the third week of October. Rest assured that for the other components in MUET test like Writing, the date for those examinations remain the same. And I guess that most of you should be knowing this by now.
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My school doesn't let us take MUET exam in first term, otherwise next year nobody will be listening during muet classes next year. Which is not that bad considering that we can focus more on other subjects. Not too worried about muet either since almost every senior in my school got band 4 easily (which is usually the minimum requirement for most uni).
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QUOTE(cheah0409 @ Aug 19 2014, 06:44 PM)
@sagethesausage how did you do for youe methodology?
i really dunno how to do.SOS SOS  cry.gif  cry.gif  rclxub.gif
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I'm not even sure what I wrote for methodology was correct, but I'm passing up my draft tomorrow and I'll give you an update after my teacher corrects it.

First I stated the problem, then I wrote: there are many method to solve the question.One of them is by using geometric progression blah blah blah...
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I'm not even sure what I wrote for methodology was correct, but I'm passing up my draft tomorrow and I'll give you an update after my teacher corrects it.

First I stated the problem, then I wrote: there are many method to solve the question.One of them is by using geometric progression blah blah blah...
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How many pages long exactly are your Introduction, Methodology and Conclusion?
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How many pages long exactly are your Introduction, Methodology and Conclusion?
You may choose to end the assignment meaningfully with a historical event that serves as a reminder to all medical practitioners.

Do doctors have to be good at Calculus? sweat.gif
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How many pages long exactly are your Introduction, Methodology and Conclusion?
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Only 1 page each, since it's just a draft.
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I think these days we have plenty of pharmacists to advise doctors on the selection, dosages, interactions, and side effects of medications. So no need study Calculus to be a doctor! (I wish.)
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Thanks for the link! Never knew that TAR married a chinese. That was eye-opening.
To produce an extraordinary report (e.g. technical assignment), you have to be very knowledgeable, sort of Jack of all trades. icon_idea.gif
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So, how's your life for this week?

Specifically for this week, we have to hand in our Chemistry assignment tomorrow in which we already conducted the experiment not too long ago. Had some discussions with teacher along with our smaller groups yesterday regarding that assignment. We also have to conduct a Physics experiment tomorrow under the supervision of my school Form 6's senior assistant. And to add salt to the wound, tomorrow is also the exact date in which I have to let my Math teacher to have a check and review my Maths T assignments, as the dateline for it is this Friday.

Life surely doesn't get any 'better' than this....
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Hey, sorry for the late reply, was making finishing touches on my maths T coursework. I have to pass up today(20th), and I don't think my teacher will have a review on it. So yeah, that means I don't get to correct any mistakes done shakehead.gif
Well, at any rate I wish you the best for your Physics experiment icon_rolleyes.gif
This week for me was so-so, didn't really study much as I went to hone my badminton skills(I stink at it) for the competition today. Speaking of which, is your school done with the sports events for the form 6-ers?
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I'm 2013 graduater and now since i'm goin to study bio course i want to complete my collection  tongue.gif
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This week for me was so-so, didn't really study much as I went to hone my badminton skills(I stink at it) for the competition today. Speaking of which, is your school done with the sports events for the form 6-ers?
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Read all those comments ....

Some matriculation students still put them above STPM ... oh my god
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Nevertheless, I'm proud of being able to take on Form 6 syllabus and challenge my mettle along the journey, which I'd say, invigorating and overwhelming at the same time.
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Hi. I'm a lower 6 student. I took science class. Physics and Chemistry. I just realised that science subjects are not my cup of tea. I have no interest in this two subjects. And I really dunno what I should do. The main problem is I don't know what I like to do or what I want. Lost of direction. I'm suffering with form 6. What should I do? I really dunno what to do. My aunt asked me to try art class. Account and economic. Can I change class? Impossible right? If I want to retake lower 6 again next year? Can I do that? Can anyone give me advice? I really need your help.
What would you like to have happen?

You don't know what to do with your life. But, you clearly know that science is not your cup of tea.

What would you like instead?

You want to repeat Lower 6, but switching from Science Stream to Art Stream.

What kind of Art?

You said "Accounts and Economics." You want to learn more about Accounts and Economics.

Given what you know now, what would you like to do with Accounts or Economics?
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study hard, make sure you get 4 A's + 95 co-curriculum marks for your STPM

physic STPM sem 1 learn about basic physics stuff, sem 2 electric magnet, sem 3 nuclear stuff

chemistry sem 1 learn equilibrium, sem 2 periodic table electroplating, sem 3 organic chemistry (this sem need ton of memorising like sejarah)

We matrik student learn 70-80% of stpm syllabus in 1 year
still tough and challenging yet, chewing up physic 15 chapters and chemistry 20 chapters in matrik 1 sem is just nice
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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 02:21 PM)
ex matrik grad here and also stpm student before then

study hard, make sure you get 4 A's + 95 co-curriculum marks for your STPM

physic STPM sem 1 learn about basic physics stuff, sem 2 electric magnet, sem 3 nuclear stuff

chemistry sem 1 learn equilibrium, sem 2 periodic table electroplating, sem 3 organic chemistry (this sem need ton of memorising like sejarah)

We matrik student learn 70-80% of stpm syllabus in 1 year
still tough and challenging yet, chewing up physic 15 chapters and chemistry 20 chapters in matrik 1 sem is just nice
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First of all, like what feynman said, it's Physics. With an [s].

Secondly, stop expounding on how hard Matriculation is. And Physics STPM Semester 1 isn't basic stuff. To prove this point, look at how you solved the question involving the wedges and the block, even with your 'STPM'+Matriculation's worth of experience.
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First of all, like what feynman said, it's Physics. With an [s].

Secondly, stop expounding on how hard Matriculation is. And Physics STPM Semester 1 isn't basic stuff. To prove this point, look at how you solved the question involving the wedges and the block, even with your 'STPM'+Matriculation's worth of experience.
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regarding the wedges and block the question stated with (3) objects which stacked among on top of each other is not within syllabus of STPM and Matriculation fyi

please ask question that is actually within the syllabus or even better asking real past year question
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regarding the wedges and block the question stated with (3) objects which stacked among on top of each other is not within syllabus of STPM and Matriculation fyi

please ask question that is actually within the syllabus or even better asking real past year question
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Tell me, are Newton's Laws of Motion not in Matriculation and STPM syllabus? Did you not draw FBD's in Matriculation?

Or are you saying that wedges do not appear in STPM and Matriculation, hence, aren't a part of the syllabus? sweat.gif

You've got to be kidding me.
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Tell me, are Newton's Laws of Motion not in Matriculation and STPM syllabus? Did you not draw FBD's in Matriculation?

Or are you saying that wedges do not appear in STPM and Matriculation, hence, aren't a part of the syllabus?  sweat.gif

You've got to be kidding me.
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1 object on top of wedges is considered inside syllabus, 1 object on top of another object on top of wedges is not in syllabus

there is too many variable for calculating that question, you push lowest object can you guarantee the top 2 will not topple down? how do you so sure the highest object wont fall down? and assumption?

the closest question i have found in entire newton law chapter in University Physics 13th edition is only 2 objects max, which is box on top of wedges, you must be kidding me with 3 objects stack among each other actually in stpm syllabus doh.gif

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QUOTE(maximR @ Aug 23 2014, 03:47 PM)
Tell me, are Newton's Laws of Motion not in Matriculation and STPM syllabus? Did you not draw FBD's in Matriculation?

Or are you saying that wedges do not appear in STPM and Matriculation, hence, aren't a part of the syllabus?  sweat.gif

You've got to be kidding me.
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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 03:59 PM)
1 object on top of wedges is considered inside syllabus, 1 object on top of another object on top of wedges is not in syllabus

there is too many variable for calculating that question, you push lowest object can you guarantee the top 2 will not topple down? how do you so sure the highest object wont fall down? and assumption?

the closest question i have found in entire newton law chapter in University Physics 13th edition is only 2 objects max, which is box on top of wedges, you must be kidding me with 3 objects stack among each other actually in stpm syllabus  doh.gif

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Wtf you're talking man?

There's just so much wrong in what you have said.

Just stop talking about syllabus and start solving the damn problem. You try to talk kok with the professor or the chief engineer, say goodbye to your sorry ass.

If you don't know how to solve it, then say don;t know. There's no shame in admitting one's limitation. No one will laugh at you. At work, people are expected to help each other solve problems. If you are so atas, want muka and all. Then you should just quit university and stay at home.

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1 object on top of wedges is considered inside syllabus, 1 object on top of another object on top of wedges is not in syllabus

there is too many variable for calculating that question, you push lowest object can you guarantee the top 2 will not topple down? how do you so sure the highest object wont fall down? and assumption?

the closest question i have found in entire newton law chapter in University Physics 13th edition is only 2 objects max, which is box on top of wedges, you must be kidding me with 3 objects stack among each other actually in stpm syllabus  doh.gif

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When you say 'wedges', how many are there? 2,3,4?

You could have one million objects on top of another. The internal forces cancel due to Newton's Third Law. The fact that when you treat the upper block and wedge as a single object, you have only 2 objects to consider hits you right in the face when you say that 2 objects are in the syllabus and 3 aren't! This is a completely ridiculous argument!

If you have learnt Newton's Law of Motion well ( I'm starting to doubt that you have ), you will know how and when to treat multiple objects as a single system. This is not unique to any particular syllabus. It's all under Mechanics. In fact, you were taught to model to objects connected by a massless, inextensible rope as a single point particle in Form Four Physics!

In the problem I posted, there are multiple approaches. You can consider each object individually as a single system and the external forces which act on them, or one of them which enables you to find the desired acceleration, or, in Critical_Fallacy's solution, consider the pseudo-force due to an accelerating reference frame.

As for your comment about the assumptions, I won't touch on that, because it's trivial from the question that it wants you to find the F in which the objects don't move relative to each other. So why are you cracking your head about objects toppling and falling? rclxub.gif

See, Physics is Physics. I feel sorry when I read your comments about the syllabus difference, what is in the syllabus, what is not, etc. It seems like you've missed the point of education, amidst obsession to swallow what is taught and doing past years aimlessly. You always use external factors as reasons. It's like Tom telling his teacher that his dog ate his homework. Instead of admitting that much has to be learnt ( we all have a lot to learn! ), you emphasise the fact that it's not your fault that you don't know how to solve the problem. You easily put the blame on the fact that 'it's not in the syllabus, so I couldn't care less'.

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 02:21 PM)
ex matrik grad here and also stpm student before then

study hard, make sure you get 4 A's + 95 co-curriculum marks for your STPM

physic STPM sem 1 learn about basic physics stuff, sem 2 electric magnet, sem 3 nuclear stuff

chemistry sem 1 learn equilibrium, sem 2 periodic table electroplating, sem 3 organic chemistry (this sem need ton of memorising like sejarah)

We matrik student learn 70-80% of stpm syllabus in 1 year
still tough and challenging yet, chewing up physic 15 chapters and chemistry 20 chapters in matrik 1 sem is just nice
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Thanks for dropping by in this thread, senior.

Regarding the bolded part above, you've written there that in order to secure a 4.00 CGPA pointer and extremely high co-co marks, one has to study hard. But can you please enlighten me on how hard do we have to study in order to achieve such feats? To what extend of studying or revising that you consider as hard?

It's nice to get some input from fellow seniors in this forum. But, considering the fact that you did learn a few topics about STPM syllabus before you shifted and ventured into the world of matriculation, would you explicitly explain to us fellow juniors in this thread on what you mean by ''basic stuffs'' in the first term? Which are the topics in the first term that you consider 'basic', is it the kinematics, dynamics, or all of the topics? You've also stated that we will learn things that are related to 'electric magnet' in the second term, but, what is 'electric magnet'? I'd like to superficially find some clarification on 'electric magnet' as I'm about to delve further into it in next year. Finally, can you give us a little glimpse on the 'nuclear stuff' that you were referring to in the third term? As far as I know, we will only delve into the world of Nuclear Physics in the sixth chapter of the third term, so, do the other chapters in that term like, Oscillations, Sound Waves, Quantum Mechanics and Optics are correlated with the 'nuclear stuff' too? unsure.gif

Thanks for clearing my doubts.


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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 03:59 PM)
the closest question i have found in entire newton law chapter in University Physics 13th edition is only 2 objects max, which is box on top of wedges, you must be kidding me with 3 objects stack among each other actually in stpm syllabus  doh.gif
Boy, you committed a critical fallacy. sweat.gif

Look at Example 5.10 on page 143, University Physics, 13e (Young & Freedman). This is the CRITICAL concept you require to solve the moving wedge (frictionless) problem, posted by maximR. For problems where a body rests or slides on an inclined plane that exerts frictional forces on the body, refer to Example 5.16 (pg.150) and 5.17 (pg.151).

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Wtf you're talking man?

There's just so much wrong in what you have said.

Just stop talking about syllabus and start solving the damn problem. You try to talk kok with the professor or the chief engineer, say goodbye to your sorry ass.

If you don't know how to solve it, then say don;t know. There's no shame in admitting one's limitation. No one will laugh at you. At work, people are expected to help each other solve problems. If you are so atas, want muka and all. Then you should just quit university and stay at home.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 23 2014, 05:00 PM)
Thanks for dropping by in this thread, senior.

Regarding the bolded part above, you've written there that in order to secure a 4.00 CGPA pointer and extremely high co-co marks, one has to study hard. But can you please enlighten me on how hard do we have to study in order to achieve such feats? To what extend of studying or revising that you consider as hard?

It's nice to get some input from fellow seniors in this forum. But, considering the fact that you did learn a few topics about STPM syllabus before you shifted and ventured into the world of matriculation, would you explicitly explain to us fellow juniors in this thread on what you mean by ''basic stuffs'' in the first term? Which are the topics in the first term that you consider 'basic', is it the kinematics, dynamics, or all of the topics? You've also stated that we will learn things that are related to 'electric magnet' in the second term, but, what is 'electric magnet'? I'd like to superficially find some clarification on 'electric magnet' as I'm about to delve further into it in next year. Finally, can you give us a little glimpse on the 'nuclear stuff' that you were referring to in the third term? As far as I know, we will only delve into the world of Nuclear Physics in the sixth chapter of the third term, so, do the other chapters in that term like, Oscillations, Sound Waves, Quantum Mechanics and Optics are correlated with the 'nuclear stuff' too? unsure.gif

Thanks for clearing my doubts.
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u want 4.00? easy, go buy practice book and read answers back there

high coco marks? how u gonna compete against matrik with average 95 coco marks? theres like 1000+ matrik student with 4 flat and 95-100 coco marks waiting to get medic course in UM every year

physics stpm first term easy only la, seriously i not joking
maybe i say basic becoz i actually read whole sem 1 physic stpm book before in stpm then to matrik, so i know all of the syllabus and which is not inside quite clearly

electric magnet means electric and magnet loh, AC DC stuff and electromagnetic, how the electric is manupulated in AC (capacitor, LRC, turbine power generator, phasor diagram) (i actually dislike electric stuff)

nuclear stuff is like u learned in form 5 spm, nothing special

stpm sem 3 got learn about wave like resonance, where you also learn how a guitar string vibrate and much more i cant explain 1 by 1

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Boy, you committed a critical fallacy. sweat.gif

Look at Example 5.10 on page 143, University Physics, 13e (Young & Freedman). This is the CRITICAL concept you require to solve the moving wedge (frictionless) problem, posted by maximR. For problems where a body rests or slides on an inclined plane that exerts frictional forces on the body, refer to Example 5.16 (pg.150) and 5.17 (pg.151).

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 05:31 PM)
u want 4.00? easy, go buy practice book and read answers back there

high coco marks? how u gonna compete against matrik with average 95 coco marks? theres like 1000+ matrik student with 4 flat and 95-100 coco marks waiting to get medic course in UM every year

physics stpm first term easy only la, seriously i not joking
maybe i say basic becoz i actually read whole sem 1 physic stpm book before in stpm then to matrik, so i know all of the syllabus and which is not inside quite clearly

electric magnet means electric and magnet loh, AC DC stuff and electromagnetic, how the electric is manupulated in AC (capacitor, LRC, turbine power generator, phasor diagram) (i actually dislike electric stuff)

nuclear stuff is like u learned in form 5 spm, nothing special

stpm sem 3 got learn about wave like resonance, where you also learn how a guitar string vibrate and much more i cant explain 1 by 1
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Hmm... That's funny, since some of the seniors that I knew in my school used the exact same method, rinse and repeat, and they even advocated it, yet they can't even secure a 3.00 CGPA in their STPM exams, let alone getting a 4.00 pointer.... hmm.gif

How do imply that by transferring from STPM to matriculation, all of the first term syllabus was basic for you? And if you were to shift to other pre-u courses like A-Levels or remained in Form 6, would you still regard that all of the concepts that you've learned is still basic?

And again for the 'nuclear stuff', your replies are vague. In SPM Physics, we only learned a small portion of concepts that deals with Nuclear Physics, and so you're saying that it only rehash the whole content of the topic, without even changing a thing?
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Hmm... That's funny, since some of the seniors that I knew in my school used the exact same method, rinse and repeat, and they even advocated it, yet they can't even secure a [QUOTE]

He's a matriculation student, doubt he can give you much insight on how to study for STPM.

No offence, Mr. Blood, but I'm not impressed that you got 4.0 in matriks. Like STPM, the final grades for Matriks is determined using relative grading, that is, a bell curve is used instead of a fixed scale. Only a certain percentage of students are allowed to get 4.0 each year, for example, 20 percent, to ensure fairness to graduates of different years as the difficulty of exams could vary each year. My aunt who is a lecturer in KMJ told me that since the quota for bumiputeras in matriks is 90 percent, literally almost every single Chinese student in matriks got a 4.0 easily. Admittedly matriks is a bit more rushed as you guys have to finish everything in one year, but our new STPM semester system doesn't give us much breathing room either. Please take your bragging somewhere else as it is widespread knowledge that STPM is exponentially harder than matriks. Or is it because that all your friends also got 4-flat easily so you don't have anyone else to brag to?

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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 23 2014, 02:21 PM)
ex matrik grad here and also stpm student before then

study hard, make sure you get 4 A's + 95 co-curriculum marks for your STPM

physic STPM sem 1 learn about basic physics stuff, sem 2 electric magnet, sem 3 nuclear stuff

chemistry sem 1 learn equilibrium, sem 2 periodic table electroplating, sem 3 organic chemistry (this sem need ton of memorising like sejarah)

We matrik student learn 70-80% of stpm syllabus in 1 year
still tough and challenging yet, chewing up physic 15 chapters and chemistry 20 chapters in matrik 1 sem is just nice
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Please don't make a joke of yourself.

I am an ex-STPM student who used both STPM and Matriculation materials to study. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference.

FYI, physics term 3 includes waves + optics besides nuclear stuff

Chemistry semester 2 includes inorganic chemistry (approximately 6 chapters) which conveniently is not part of Matriculation Chemistry syllabus. Don't even bother to tell me inorganic chemistry is easy, I know you never studied them.

Your Mathematics does not include Maclaurin Series, Chi-Squared Test, Sampling and Estimation and many more topics included in Mathematics (T).

You didn't study Pengajian Am. While I won't disagree that it is not extremely tough, don't think it is easy and it contributes quite a lot of stress.

Inter-Matriculation campus game is a state level event while inter-school or even sometimes inter-state secondary school games is merely a district level event, depending on whether you represent your school or actually represent the state by beating all other schools at your state. See how matriks students get marks easily?

Please don't say you learn 70-80% of STPM syllabus in 1 year. It's laughable.

And please, while I agree Matriculation and STPM have approximately 80% of syllabus overlapped, the depth of questions and the level of questions asked are different.

Example, for the same concept, in Matriculation "1+2(6)-4=?" while STPM "3y+16(6)/4 = 24+9y, find y". It tends to be much more complicated for STPM.

Please, I walked through the syllabus myself for 2 years by using both STPM and Matriculation materials (except sem 2 Chemistry, as Matriculation doesn't include inorganic chemistry), and my teachers too gave me Matriculation questions. Don't try to fool yourself.

There's nothing you could say here that could convince me my 2 years experience is wrong.

A-Level is more likely to be on par with STPM. But from what I had tried, both are equally hard but STPM Maths and Chemistry are slightly (only slightly due to wider syllabus) harder.


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Hi Just Visiting By, sagethesausage, maximR, feynman,

Do not take to heart all the things that bloodchow2 said as he is probably suffering from a mild form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy (APA, 2000).

People with this disorder have an exaggerated sense of self-importance and are often absorbed by fantasies of limitless success. Secondary to this preoccupation with their own superiority, they seek constant attention and may try to win admiration from others by flaunting or boasting about their perceived special abilities. This behavior often masks fragile self-esteem. Constant external praise or admiration allows them to continue to bolster their own grandiose sense of self.

Those with narcissistic personality disorder can come off as haughty and arrogant as they constantly flaunt their imagined superiority. Their attitudes toward others can be patronizing and disdainful. People with narcissistic personality disorder are often so self-absorbed that they have a complete lack of empathy for others. They may be so preoccupied with their own need for praise and admiration that they are unable to understand other people’s desires, needs, or feelings. People around them often come to feel ignored, devalued, or used.

Rest assured that NPD is treatable. He can seek help from International Psychology Centre Sdn Bhd, where he would be given psychotherapy sessions. Call Now 03-2727 7434 and make an appointment with Dr. Edward Chan! icon_rolleyes.gif

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He's a matriculation student, doubt he can give you much insight on how to study for STPM.
Leave that aside, how's your MUET preparation going? After numerous times of practicing in class, I've realised that one of my weaknesses in MUET is my scarcity of coming up with new and fresh ideas when doing essays. While I noticed that I'm trying to come up with complex structure and low-frequency words when writing an essay, I'm committing lots of mistakes at the same time too. I think I'm quite alright for the speaking component though.

As for both the reading and listening component, my ability to garner higher marks in these sections depends on my capabilities to fathom on the nature of the question(sometimes it is tricky and can be a tough nut to crack, but it can also be downright straight forward and easy). Occasionally, I scored full marks for both listening and speaking component, but there were times too where I could hardly even gain a maximum of 2 marks for the said components.

Just a little thing to share with you and you might know that what I'm telling is true to some extent. Last Thursday, my MUET teacher let me have a look on a very old Singaporean English revision book for secondary students(it's under the publication of Preston Corporation in 1988). When I skimmed through a few pages of the book, I was quite amazed by the countless impressive words that discombobulated me as well as certain components that posed questions that requires higher level of proficiency in English, which is on roughly on the same level as MUET(or even the likes of TOEFL/IELTS), if not easier. But that's not it, what made me throw in the towel was that after I returned it back to my MUET teacher, she told me that the book was intended ''specifically for students of secondary 1 in Singapore...''. My mouth agape with incredulity, I knew it from the start that our academic levels is a joke compared to Singapore in the first place to begin with, but I never know that was beast on that level!!

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 24 2014, 03:38 AM)
Hi Just Visiting By, sagethesausage, maximR, feynman,

Do not take to heart all the things that bloodchow2 said as he is probably suffering from a mild form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy (APA, 2000).

People with this disorder have an exaggerated sense of self-importance and are often absorbed by fantasies of limitless success. Secondary to this preoccupation with their own superiority, they seek constant attention and may try to win admiration from others by flaunting or boasting about their perceived special abilities. This behavior often masks fragile self-esteem. Constant external praise or admiration allows them to continue to bolster their own grandiose sense of self.

Those with narcissistic personality disorder can come off as haughty and arrogant as they constantly flaunt their imagined superiority. Their attitudes toward others can be patronizing and disdainful. People with narcissistic personality disorder are often so self-absorbed that they have a complete lack of empathy for others. They may be so preoccupied with their own need for praise and admiration that they are unable to understand other people’s desires, needs, or feelings. People around them often come to feel ignored, devalued, or used.

Rest assured that NPD is treatable. He can seek help from International Psychology Centre Sdn Bhd, where he would be given psychotherapy sessions. Call Now 03-2727 7434 and make an appointment with Dr. Edward Chan! icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 24 2014, 03:59 AM)
Leave that aside, how's your MUET preparation going? After numerous times of practicing in class, I've realised that one of my weaknesses in MUET is my scarcity of coming up with new and fresh ideas when doing essays. While I noticed that I'm trying to come up with complex structure and low-frequency words when writing an essay, I'm committing lots of mistakes at the same time too. I think I'm quite alright for the speaking component though.

As for both the reading and listening component, my ability to garner higher marks in these sections depends on my capabilities to fathom on the nature of the question(sometimes it is tricky and can be a tough nut to crack, but it can also be downright straight forward and easy). Occasionally, I scored full marks for both listening and speaking component, but there were times too where I could hardly even gain a maximum of 2 marks for the said components.

Just a little thing to share with you and you might know that what I'm telling is true to some extent. Last Thursday, my MUET teacher let me have a look on a very old Singaporean English revision book for secondary students(it's under the publication of Preston Corporation in 1988). When I skimmed through a few pages of the book, I was quite amazed by the countless impressive words that discombobulated me as well as certain components that posed questions that requires higher level of proficiency in English, which is on roughly on the same level as MUET(or even the likes of TOEFL/IELTS), if not easier. But that's not it, what made me throw in the towel was that after I returned it back to my MUET teacher, she told me that the book was intended ''specifically for students of secondary 1 in Singapore...''. My mouth agape with incredulity, I knew it from the start that our academic levels is a joke compared to Singapore in the first place to begin with, but I never know that was beast on that level!!
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Do not take to heart all the things that bloodchow2 said as he is probably suffering from a mild form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 24 2014, 03:59 AM)
As for both the reading and listening component, my ability to garner higher marks in these sections depends on my capabilities to fathom on the nature of the question(sometimes it is tricky and can be a tough nut to crack, but it can also be downright straight forward and easy).
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I believe that the Reading component is flawed, especially the true/false/not stated part. If you want to see how it should be done, contrast it with IELTS. The quality of the questions are much higher, and they actually test your observation and critical thinking unlike MUET.

As for Listening, you might have probably heard from other seniors that the sound system on the exam day itself is far from perfect, and they're absolutely right. If the test is going to be done in your school compound, you better nudge your teachers and whoever is in charge to make sure everything is alright. Make sure the words the narrator might say are clear enough. Test on some old MUET examination CDs if you can get your hands on those.
QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 24 2014, 03:59 AM)
Just a little thing to share with you and you might know that what I'm telling is true to some extent. Last Thursday, my MUET teacher let me have a look on a very old Singaporean English revision book for secondary students(it's under the publication of Preston Corporation in 1988). When I skimmed through a few pages of the book, I was quite amazed by the countless impressive words that discombobulated me as well as certain components that posed questions that requires higher level of proficiency in English, which is on roughly on the same level as MUET(or even the likes of TOEFL/IELTS), if not easier. But that's not it, what made me throw in the towel was that after I returned it back to my MUET teacher, she told me that the book was intended ''specifically for students of secondary 1 in Singapore...''. My mouth agape with incredulity, I knew it from the start that our academic levels is a joke compared to Singapore in the first place to begin with, but I never know that was beast on that level!!
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Malaysia's standard was probably not far off at that time. It's just that after a few decades, things might just have regressed a bit tongue.gif

EDIT: Still feel kinda bad that I couldn't find my MUET notes...

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Aug 23 2014, 10:09 PM)
Please don't make a joke of yourself.

I am an ex-STPM student who used both STPM and Matriculation materials to study. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference.

FYI, physics term 3 includes waves + optics besides nuclear stuff

Chemistry semester 2 includes inorganic chemistry (approximately 6 chapters) which conveniently is not part of Matriculation Chemistry syllabus. Don't even bother to tell me inorganic chemistry is easy, I know you never studied them.

Your Mathematics does not include Maclaurin Series, Chi-Squared Test, Sampling and Estimation and many more topics included in Mathematics (T).

You didn't study Pengajian Am. While I won't disagree that it is not extremely tough, don't think it is easy and it contributes quite a lot of stress.

Inter-Matriculation campus game is a state level event while inter-school or even sometimes inter-state secondary school games is merely a district level event, depending on whether you represent your school or actually represent the state by beating all other schools at your state. See how matriks students get marks easily?

Please don't say you learn 70-80% of STPM syllabus in 1 year. It's laughable.

And please, while I agree Matriculation and STPM have approximately 80% of syllabus overlapped, the depth of questions and the level of questions asked are different.

Example, for the same concept, in Matriculation "1+2(6)-4=?" while STPM "3y+16(6)/4 = 24+9y, find y". It tends to be much more complicated for STPM.

Please, I walked through the syllabus myself for 2 years by using both STPM and Matriculation materials (except sem 2 Chemistry, as Matriculation doesn't include inorganic chemistry), and my teachers too gave me Matriculation questions. Don't try to fool yourself.

There's nothing you could say here that could convince me my 2 years experience is wrong.

A-Level is more likely to be on par with STPM. But from what I had tried, both are equally hard but STPM Maths and Chemistry are slightly (only slightly due to wider syllabus) harder.
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post Aug 24 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 21 2014, 11:02 PM)
Well, it's sad to say that this is how our education system works, but I'm not gonna comment much about it. Almost all of my cousins and even my siblings put STPM as their last resort if they can't get into any other pre-u program, and if I'm not mistaken, for now, I'm the only person in my entire family that're undertaking STPM.

Nevertheless, I'm proud of being able to take on Form 6 syllabus and challenge my mettle along the journey, which I'd say, invigorating and overwhelming at the same time.
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Wow that is great! I supposed that you are able to do/ solve problems at STPM standard now. rclxms.gif

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post Aug 24 2014, 11:46 AM

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So, for english qualification exam,
which one is better?
IELTS or TOEFL? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(bloodchow2 @ Aug 24 2014, 07:45 AM)
if go oversea need TOEFL too
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Duhh doh.gif , I know that already!! shakehead.gif Anyway, the point is that you can't just waltz in the universities like in US, UK or other international countries by showing them your MUET qualification, as it's specifically meant for those who want to pursue undergraduate course in universities in Malaysia.

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So, for english qualification exam,
which one is better?
IELTS or TOEFL?  unsure.gif
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I don't think we can say which is better if we compare the two, but, TOEFL is administered by US-based organisation and it is conducted in American English. So, if you're more familiar with the American accent and language, it will better suit you as it reflects American English. On the other hand, take the IELTS if you had been seasoned with the vocabulary and language style of British/Australian English.

But, do note that both IELTS and TOEFL are accepted by British, Canada, Australia, New Zealand United States and many other English-speaking countries.

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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Aug 24 2014, 11:46 AM)
So, for english qualification exam,
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IELTS or TOEFL?  unsure.gif
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Umm.....I think there's a conflict regarding TOEFL that makes British universities stop recognising them.

I am not quite sure what the issue is, I just know almost all British universities cease recognising TOEFL.

You might want to check it out. It's a very recent news, occurred only around June or July this year.
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Leave that aside, how's your MUET preparation going? After numerous times of practicing in class, I've realised that one of my weaknesses in MUET is my scarcity of coming up with new and fresh ideas when doing essays. While I noticed that I'm trying to come up with complex structure and low-frequency words when writing an essay, I'm committing lots of mistakes at the same time too. I think I'm quite alright for the speaking component though.

As for both the reading and listening component, my ability to garner higher marks in these sections depends on my capabilities to fathom on the nature of the question(sometimes it is tricky and can be a tough nut to crack, but it can also be downright straight forward and easy). Occasionally, I scored full marks for both listening and speaking component, but there were times too where I could hardly even gain a maximum of 2 marks for the said components.

Just a little thing to share with you and you might know that what I'm telling is true to some extent. Last Thursday, my MUET teacher let me have a look on a very old Singaporean English revision book for secondary students(it's under the publication of Preston Corporation in 1988). When I skimmed through a few pages of the book, I was quite amazed by the countless impressive words that discombobulated me as well as certain components that posed questions that requires higher level of proficiency in English, which is on roughly on the same level as MUET(or even the likes of TOEFL/IELTS), if not easier. But that's not it, what made me throw in the towel was that after I returned it back to my MUET teacher, she told me that the book was intended ''specifically for students of secondary 1 in Singapore...''. My mouth agape with incredulity, I knew it from the start that our academic levels is a joke compared to Singapore in the first place to begin with, but I never know that was beast on that level!!
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Sometimes I suck at speaking part and sometimes I don't. My mileage varies wildly depending on how knowledgeable/familiar I am with the topic given. Reading and listening is relatively easier for me since I sat for IELTS before.

Singapore's English standard must have dropped a lot in recent years, as their current standard is: their Secondary 4 equivalent to our Form 6 (MUET).

Source : Studied at English tuition centre that uses Singapore's school textbook as teaching syllabus.

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QUOTE(sagethesausage @ Aug 24 2014, 01:52 PM)
Sometimes I suck at speaking part and sometimes I don't. My mileage varies wildly depending on how knowledgeable/familiar I am with the topic given. Reading and listening is relatively easier for me since I sat for IELTS before.

Singapore's English standard must have dropped a lot in recent years, as their current standard is: their Secondary 4 equivalent to our Form 6 (MUET).

Source : Studied at English tuition centre that uses Singapore's school textbook as teaching syllabus.
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Please bear in mind that English can now be considered as the de facto first language of most Singaporeans.

They learn English as the first language, while Malaysians learn it as second-language.

So of course the standard of English in Singapore is much higher than that in Malaysia.

Personally, as long as one can write and communicate in English flawlessly, and the intended message is delivered right, I don't think the level of proficiency matters. So what if a Malaysian's English is not as good as a Singaporean's? If I can speak, I can talk, I could survive. I don't need the maximum proficiency. smile.gif
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I'm doing CIE A-Levels and I dare say that STPM Mathematics [T] is definitely more difficult than CIE A-Level Mathematics. STPM's covers more content, and certain exam questions, although sometimes are quite direct, require motivation in persevering with the algebraic manipulations. Under time pressure, I'd imagine that one would tend to make simple algebraic errors...

Not to mention the fact that you guys have only a few months to get used to the workload, pace and also the upcoming first-semester STPM exams.

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Aug 24 2014, 03:32 PM)
So what if a Malaysian's English is not as good as a Singaporean's? If I can speak, I can talk, I could survive. I don't need the maximum proficiency.  smile.gif
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But, as a person who has a passion for English and is extremely good with it, don't you think that you would want to at least do more than speaking, eating and talking with the mastery over your English? blush.gif

I have a friend of mine who scored A+ in Chinese subject for his SPM last year, and another one who was able to secure a solid A+ with 1A in her 1119. From what I can see, these students including the likes of you seemed to have the innate mastery over a specific language and can utilize it flawlessly in anywhere, anytime, be it in writing or even in communicating. For me, mastering a language is not like learning Maths, they don't have chapters or topics for me to follow, thus making the job harder for me.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 24 2014, 04:58 PM)
But, as a person who has a passion for English and is extremely good with it, don't you think that you would want to at least do more than speaking, eating and talking with the mastery over your English? blush.gif

I have a friend of mine who scored A+ in Chinese subject for his SPM last year, and another one who was able to secure a solid A+ with 1A in her 1119. From what I can see, these students including the likes of you seemed to have the innate mastery over a specific language and can utilize it flawlessly in anywhere, anytime, be it in writing or even in communicating. For me, mastering a language is not like learning Maths, they don't have chapters or topics for me to follow, thus making the job harder for me.
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Well, if one truly has a passion for English and wishes to do more, nothing, not even the low quality education, can hinder them from doing so because they'll find ways to pursue their interest. smile.gif

Let's just say that all languages are tools and your messages are sculptures. You don't need good tools (great language proficiency) to make a good sculptures, you just need to be good at how you use your tools (how you write), and that some times require some passion and talent. There's no point having good tools, but unable to utilise it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Aug 24 2014, 04:58 PM)
But, as a person who has a passion for English and is extremely good with it, don't you think that you would want to at least do more than speaking, eating and talking with the mastery over your English? blush.gif

I have a friend of mine who scored A+ in Chinese subject for his SPM last year, and another one who was able to secure a solid A+ with 1A in her 1119. From what I can see, these students including the likes of you seemed to have the innate mastery over a specific language and can utilize it flawlessly in anywhere, anytime, be it in writing or even in communicating. For me, mastering a language is not like learning Maths, they don't have chapters or topics for me to follow, thus making the job harder for me.
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There's nothing 'innate' in mastering a language. Same goes to Maths, Science and the Humanities. Mastery requires hardwork.

The key to achieving an acceptable proficiency in English is to read, read a lot. Reading non-academic books helps. Some people take great pain in memorising huge words, and beat themselves up to create very complex sentences which are unreadable. There is no need for that. Realistically, nobody in daily life, even native speakers of English, uses big words, even in writing. All the good books out there are very easy to read; sentences, simple and straight to the point. Words used; powerful but not uncommon. Writing complex sentences with plenty of connectors confuse the reader and the message won't be conveyed, not to mention that they might sound very contrived. Errors like dangling modifiers crop up, and this might end up in the audience scratching their heads.

Getting your message across as succinctly as possible is the way to go. This takes time. But if you endeavor in this journey, good things will happen.

All the best Shanks! icon_rolleyes.gif

sidenote: Plenty of A+ English scorers with 1A in 1119 can't even construct meaningful sentences.
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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Aug 24 2014, 05:07 PM)
Well, if one truly has a passion for English and wishes to do more, nothing, not even the low quality education, can hinder them from doing so because they'll find ways to pursue their interest.  smile.gif

You don't need good tools (great language proficiency) to make a good sculptures, you just need to be good at how you use your tools (how you write), and that some times require some passion and talent.  There's no point having good tools, but unable to utilise it.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(maximR @ Aug 24 2014, 05:17 PM)
There's nothing 'innate' in mastering a language. Same goes to Maths, Science and the Humanities. Mastery requires hardwork.

Getting your message across as succinctly as possible is the way to go. This takes time. But if you endeavor in this journey, good things will happen.

All the best Shanks!  icon_rolleyes.gif

sidenote: Plenty of A+ English scorers with 1A in 1119 can't even construct meaningful sentences.
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Thanks for your thoughtful advice. Previously in my PMR, I had aims of getting straight A's in that public exam. But, I failed to achieve my dreams and I had a plan to compensate it by achieving at least straight A's in my SPM 2 years later. History repeats itself after I got a mediocre result in it.

Both of these 2 failures really did mark a huge scar beneath me and leave a big blow to my pride. So that was why I am now striving to only do my best and to not have anymore expectations or aims for my results.
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For those of you out there who're taking 5 subjects in STPM, I'd say you are incredible.

Last week, we were instructed to conduct 2 experiments(Physics/Biology and Chemistry) for 2 days in a row. There has never been a week like that before, due to the scarcity of time of comprehending and preparing the procedure for the experiments, let alone the inordinate amount of homework that has been piled up. Everyone was in a rush and time just flies. Anyway, I'm not in here just to rant about my daily basis. Instead, I'm totally amazed of how a handful of you out there that are able to cope with the harsh pressure of STPM and blazed though it with resilient willpower.

For those of you who don't know, I have already stop reading those Further Maths T materials nearly 2 months ago due to the constraint of time, other than my focus and main priority towards the 4 main subjects that I'm taking in STPM. But, I might pick up where I left off in FMT once I regained my free time again. I'm utterly overwhelmed with the broad and in-depth content of 4 subjects alone in STPM, and I dare not imagine adding another one into the list.

Last Thursday, we were rushing to complete the Chemistry experiment that we were instructed to conduct and it was exhausting, and nearly a whole 3 periods of Chemistry has been burned off due to the experiment. After that, a complete report was needed to hand in to teacher, and the same concept applies to both Physics and Biology experiment, which was on Friday. I saw one of my classmates, conducted the Physics experiment, failed to get a certain readings that he expected to, and he retried again. After trying it for the 3rd time, he did what needs to be done and immediately dashed to the Biology lab and conduct a Biology experiment. And sometimes, he needs to stay in school and conduct either the Physic or Biology experiment on his own if he's extremely occupied for that day.

I'm in awe with his mettle in coping with the workload of 5 subjects. And for those of you who are still taking 5 subjects in STPM, don't give up. No matter what kind of results that you get in the end, your efforts will truly get what you deserved and all of you deserve full respect from me. Kudos, especially for the ones who are still undertaking FMT as their 5th subjects. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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Blessings sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

I would like to post some MUET essays that are above Band 4. My MUET teacher was one of the markers for MUET(essay sections) for the past 15 years or so. So, she did marked some of the essays that are very well written by some students and decided to hand them over to us. They are not much, but, hope those helps.

Question:
“People are becoming more materialistic. They are concerned with making more money and what money can buy.” What is your opinion on being materialistic? You should write at least 350 words. [60 marks]


Band 4 Essay
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Band 5 Essay
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P/S: Note that for the above Band 5 essay, the format and type of writing is a journalist-style, unlike both of the Band 4 and Band 6 essays in this post which applies the academic-style writing format.

Band 6 Essay
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Oh, and pardon me for the blurry images in the above. sweat.gif

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Dear sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

Here is a compilations of Pengajian Am Notes from the terminal system. Yes, although it's from the old syllabus, I don't really think that lots of changes that has been done that will hinder us from utilizing these notes. In fact, I've used some of the points(isi) and even elaboration(huraian) from the notes given and plug them into my essay. I approached my teacher and he even told me that there was nothing wrong using or rehashing some of the points/facts from the content in old syllabus and put it into the essay section.

By the way, this PA notes formerly belongs to kingkingyyk, one of the seniors in this forum that scored a 4.00 CGPA in the terminal system. All the credits for the PA notes go to the 'Legendary King'. notworthy.gif
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Walau, I went to Popular bookstore yesterday and found revision books for STPM Perakaunan sem 1. ACCOUNTS!
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QUOTE(300thecat @ Sep 1 2014, 07:21 AM)
Walau, I went to Popular bookstore yesterday and found revision books for STPM Perakaunan sem 1. ACCOUNTS!
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Did you find something very intriguing from the revision books? I don't take any accounting subjects, but I personally would like to hear something from a senior that knows a lot about accounts biggrin.gif .
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Question:
People are becoming more materialistic. They are concerned with making more money and what money can buy.
What is your opinion on being materialistic? You should write at least 350 words. [60 marks]
The word “materialistic” carries a morally negative impression in the public eye. So, it is not surprising that most students tend to condemn this sort of behavior in writing. However, in a highly materialistic society particularly in the urban areas, people want all the power, comfort, and wealth they can get out of a hectic life.

In fact, a question like this requires the students to write a well-informed evaluation and arguments. It may be negative (what materialistic is), positive (what materialistic is not), or a bit of both (what materialistic is in between), that qualify for three long paragraphs in the Body section.

To do that, students need to determine how materialism works by considering the significance or meaning of the elements they have identified (i.e., materialistic, make more, money, can buy), and draw inferences about what may be below the surface of the underlined texts. The students should list a number of philosophy-like questions about the topic that they might answer in the essay. For example,

• What is materialism?
• What makes us materialistic?
• How much money is enough?
• Why are humans so materialistic, even though it doesn't buy us happiness?
• Why are monks so un-materialistic?
• How to escape materialism and find happiness?

As you develop your ideas, you have responsibility, to your readers and to yourself, to make rhetorical appeals that your readers will find appropriate and persuasive. The ancient Greeks called these rhetorical appeals logos, ethos, and pathos. Logos refers to evidence that is rational and consistent and it appeals to readers by engaging their logical powers. hmm.gif Establishing a credible ethos—good character, sound knowledge, or good reputation—encourage readers to have confidence in what you say. notworthy.gif The Band 6 student was smart to quote Jane Austen and J. K. Rowling. But I'd quote one of the world's wealthiest philanthropists, Warren Buffett and the 14th Dalai Lama spiritual leader, Tenzin Gyatso. Using pathos to support a claim means stirring the reader's emotions in an effort to elicit sympathy and, thus, agreement. nod.gif

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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 1 2014, 04:31 AM)
Blessings sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

I would like to post some MUET essays that are above Band 4. My MUET teacher was one of the markers for MUET(essay sections) for the past 15 years or so. So, she did marked some of the essays that are very well written by some students and decided to hand them over to us. They are not much, but, hope those helps.

Question:
“People are becoming more materialistic. They are concerned with making more money and what money can buy.” What is your opinion on being materialistic? You should write at least 350 words. [60 marks]


Band 4 Essay
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Band 5 Essay
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P/S: Note that for the above Band 5 essay, the format and type of writing is a journalist-style, unlike both of the Band 4 and Band 6 essays in this post which applies the academic-style writing format.

Band 6 Essay
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Oh, and pardon me for the blurry images in the above.  sweat.gif
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They just didn't exist when I was around. So people had to go to great lengths to study the subject, especially those who had no background.

Needless to say, there was an overwhelming demand for private tutors, who are mostly very unqualified and only made matters worse by confusing their students by sharing their 'tips' and teaching unnecessary topics.
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QUOTE(300thecat @ Sep 1 2014, 11:57 AM)
Needless to say, there was an overwhelming demand for private tutors, who are mostly very unqualified and only made matters worse by confusing their students by sharing their 'tips' and teaching unnecessary topics.
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It wasn't so surprising anymore since most of the SPM/STPM students that I know usually regard tuition as a must-have, regardless of whether they are exceptionally good or poor in a particular subject. Yes, tuition can be a life saviour too for some students, but not necessarily every students needs them.

Even some of the parents coerced their children to go to tuition, supposedly because it will further enhance and bolster their academic level to some extent.

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QUOTE(Joelyn @ Jun 16 2014, 04:32 PM)
Hello! I am STPM 2014/2015 batch . I got the offer to study Diploma teknologi Kejuruteraan elektrik in UTHM, but I think i am gonna continue my Form Six.

Btw, I take Bio,Maths T, Chemi, and PA.

Can anyone share with us the way you learning these subjects efficiently? tongue.gif(My Add Maths and Chemi not so good , I don't have strong foundation in these two subjects, manage to get an A in add math and but B+ IN Chemi   ! cry.gif )
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Can't help that much too. I got A- for SPM Chemistry and could only score 2.33 for my STPM (I was the first batch for the semester system). As usual, work smart, not hard. Try to understand the topic. Memorizing doesn't actually help if you don't understand the concept. Don't go for the easy topic. A lot of us targetting on topics-that's-obviously-would-be-exam-question, in the end, those that came out are the one that was least expected.

QUOTE(BlueMuffin @ Jun 17 2014, 01:14 AM)
Haha I too think that STPM is the time for us study independently, this is why I have another question.That is do we SERIOUSLY need TUITION? I know it's a bit late to ask that now but please enlighten me in this tuition matter. Because (not disrespecting or anything) some of my teachers doesn't really know their syllabus well and as their first language isn't English I think they have a hard time conveying the lessons to us. So I'm still thinking whether to have tuition or not...

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YES! If you study by spoon feeding, tuition is definitely a MUST! We had a F5 teacher to teach us Chemistry and it was seriously -- devastating. Class was nothing but slides that she found from the internet or sometimes she just teached briefly and the rest of the topic she would go and said, 'okay class. The rest of the sub-topics are EASY, you can learn on your own' ohmy.gif . The teacher has no experience in F6 although she is a Degree holder. When students tried to tell her the concept was wrong, she was really stubborn to deny it saying she was right. Well, she couldn't even differentiate which is cathode or anode when we were conducting experiment...

Anyway, go for tuition. Find a tuition teacher who could understand really well F6 syllabus. There are some tuition teachers that could teach you in-depth of the subjects and not just the surface. I regretted not going for tuition when I was in my first semester. At first, I thought study on my own is okay since I didn't go for tuition during F4 & F5 and still score pretty well. As everyone said, F6 is a whole different level.

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QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 1 2014, 04:42 PM)
YES! If you study by spoon feeding, tuition is definitely a MUST! We had a F5 teacher to teach us Chemistry and it was seriously -- devastating. Class was nothing but slides that she found from the internet or sometimes she just teached briefly and the rest of the topic she would go and said, 'okay class. The rest of the sub-topics are EASY, you can learn on your own'  ohmy.gif . The teacher has no experience in F6 although she is a Degree holder. When students tried to tell her the concept was wrong, she was really stubborn to deny it saying she was right. Well, she couldn't even differentiate which is cathode or anode when we were conducting experiment...

Anyway, go for tuition. Find a tuition teacher which could understand really well F6 syllabus. There are some tuition teachers that could teach you in-depth of the subjects and not just the surface. I regretted not going for tuition when I was in my first semester. At first, I thought study on my own is okay since I didn't go for tuition during F4 & F5 and still score pretty well. As everyone said, F6 is a whole different level.
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I also had such a teacher for Biology.. sweat.gif

She never had any experience in F6 as she was a F5 Chemistry and Biology teacher but she was "forced" to teach us Biology as the only F6 Bio teacher who taught my class last year has retired! She was also masters degree holder as well. doh.gif

Worse still, like your teacher, she was also stubborn. She showed us the wrong diagram for one of the practicals, so we all drew the wrong diagram. During the next day when she would show us the other diagrams, she denied her mistake when one of my classmates pointed out to her that she showed the wrong diagram to us. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 1 2014, 05:39 PM)
I also had such a teacher for Biology.. sweat.gif

She never had any experience in F6 as she was a F5 Chemistry and Biology teacher but she was "forced" to teach us Biology as the only F6 Bio teacher who taught my class last year has retired! She was also masters degree holder as well. doh.gif

Worse still, like your teacher, she was also stubborn. She showed us the wrong diagram for one of the practicals, so we all drew the wrong diagram. During the next day when she would show us the other diagrams, she denied her mistake when one of my classmates pointed out to her that she showed the wrong diagram to us. rclxub.gif
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Same situation here! xD That's why my class was all plug-in earphone during her class. I know it sounds rude as a student but well. Couldn't help it. Class was too noisy and the Chem teacher sometimes just sit there; do nothing. I think I remember having a bad incident in Biology class. We were all pointing out the teacher mistakes and she just went berserk. mad.gif I was just asking a question very nicely and she scolded me for asking such 'stupid' question.
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Anyway. Also, if you plan to take tuition, you can just take subjects that you find hard to cope with. I didn't take Biology and Pengajian Am for my STPM. Not that my results are extremely good either. Just an A- for Pengajian Am. B- for Maths and Bio. C+ for Chem. I was too late for my Chem... T.T Well, I was really late to understand the basic in F5 too. Few months before SPM? I think so. Didn't take Chem tuition for SPM.



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Wow. Reading this thread makes me sad because my studies was f***ed up recently sad.gif I'm very lucky that my teachers didn't give me much homework. Right now, I'm recovering so it's still alright smile.gif

By the way, How do you guys study MUET? Reading the textbook? Writing essay? or do the exercise? Aside from few exercise and speaking lesson, my MUET's teacher didn't really seem to help me much.
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post Sep 2 2014, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(WanHuz @ Sep 1 2014, 09:56 PM)
Wow. Reading this thread makes me sad because my studies was f***ed up recently sad.gif I'm very lucky that my teachers didn't give me much homework. Right now, I'm recovering so it's still alright smile.gif

By the way, How do you guys study MUET? Reading the textbook? Writing essay? or do the exercise? Aside from few exercise and speaking lesson, my MUET's teacher didn't really seem to help me much.
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Same here. Teacher didn't help that much. She could go 2 weeks without attending class and only to come when MUET exam was around the corner. Under her teaching, we had only done not more than 10 essays or is it 5? She loves to emphasize on Listening and Reading. We were only taught a few basics to write essays and as for Speaking? I'd only done twice under her teaching.

So, I came out with only Band 4. The only part that I am very satisfied is Reading since I score around 90? Reading paper need a lot of understanding the text. You have to read the text over and over again just to get what it means. If it said refer to Paragrah 4, just make sure you focus only on P4. To save time, go through the question once and see which ask you to refer to lines/paragraph since reading the whole text is very time consuming. And oh yeah, while doing exercise, have a dictionary by your side. Adding a few vocabularies as knowledge does help to improve your English. Somehow.

It's hard to explain what to do to get improve because I gone through MUET with pretty much just Form 5 level (with a very little from my teacher's lesson). I only read English novels, watch English movie/TV with BM subtitle and yeah, that's all I've done. Not that my English is pro and my grammar is so sucks. xD

If you are aiming for Band 6... I can't help much because I am not a Band 6. sweat.gif

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I found out today that my first term trials fall on 22nd till 25th September.

22 Sept.(Monday)-Math T
23 Sept.(Tuesday)-Chemistry
24 Sept.(Wednesday)-Physics/Biology
25 Sept.(Thursday)-Pengajian Am

There ain't got much time left to cover up the whole syllabus for every subjects other than Math T before the forthcoming holidays. It's gonna be a one heck of a ride indeed. So, are the dates for your trials same as ours? rolleyes.gif
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22 Sept.(Monday)-Math T
23 Sept.(Tuesday)-Chemistry
24 Sept.(Wednesday)-Physics/Biology
25 Sept.(Thursday)-Pengajian Am
What are the examination coverage and exclusions? smile.gif
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I found out today that my first term trials fall on 22nd till 25th September.

22 Sept.(Monday)-Math T
23 Sept.(Tuesday)-Chemistry
24 Sept.(Wednesday)-Physics/Biology
25 Sept.(Thursday)-Pengajian Am

There ain't got much time left to cover up the whole syllabus for every subjects other than Math T before the forthcoming holidays. It's gonna be a one heck of a ride indeed. So, are the dates for your trials same as ours? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 1 2014, 05:55 PM)
Same situation here! xD That's why my class was all plug-in earphone during her class. I know it sounds rude as a student but well. Couldn't help it. Class was too noisy and the Chem teacher sometimes just sit there; do nothing. I think I remember having a bad incident in Biology class. We were all pointing out the teacher mistakes and she just went berserk. mad.gif I was just asking a question very nicely and she scolded me for asking such 'stupid' question.
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Anyway. Also, if you plan to take tuition, you can just take subjects that you find hard to cope with. I didn't take Biology and Pengajian Am for my STPM. Not that my results are extremely good either. Just an A- for Pengajian Am. B- for Maths and Bio. C+ for Chem. I was too late for my Chem... T.T Well, I was really late to understand the basic in F5 too. Few months before SPM? I think so. Didn't take Chem tuition for SPM.
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I'm exactly taking tuition for the subjects that I find difficult(Maths and Chemistry). tongue.gif

Never took PA tuition but I got an A- for Term 1, A for Term 2. biggrin.gif For Biology, I got A- for Term 1, C- for Term 2. sweat.gif

I have always never understood why there are some students who can score so easily for STPM Maths T.. while I find myself struggling really hard.

By the way, I only went for Chem tuition during form 4, as the tuition teacher was having some sort of illness until he couldn't teach anymore. I relied on doing a lot of past year SPM trials for Chemistry, ended up getting only a B+. rclxub.gif

But I got a B for Term 1 and B- for Term 2 Chem. hmm.gif

QUOTE(WanHuz @ Sep 1 2014, 09:56 PM)
Wow. Reading this thread makes me sad because my studies was f***ed up recently sad.gif I'm very lucky that my teachers didn't give me much homework. Right now, I'm recovering so it's still alright smile.gif

By the way, How do you guys study MUET? Reading the textbook? Writing essay? or do the exercise? Aside from few exercise and speaking lesson, my MUET's teacher didn't really seem to help me much.
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This is offtopic but, may I know where's your avatar from? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 2 2014, 01:47 PM)
Same here. Teacher didn't help that much. She could go 2 weeks without attending class and only to come when MUET exam was around the corner. Under her teaching, we had only done not more than 10 essays or is it 5? She loves to emphasize on Listening and Reading. We were only taught a few basics to write essays and as for Speaking? I'd only done twice under her teaching.

So, I came out with only Band 4. The only part that I am very satisfied is Reading since I score around 90? Reading paper need a lot of understanding the text. You have to read the text over and over again just to get what it means. If it said refer to Paragrah 4, just make sure you focus only on P4. To save time, go through the question once and see which ask you to refer to lines/paragraph since reading the whole text is very time consuming. And oh yeah, while doing exercise, have a dictionary by your side. Adding a few vocabularies as knowledge does help to improve your English. Somehow.

It's hard to explain what to do to get improve because I gone through MUET with pretty much just Form 5 level (with a very little from my teacher's lesson). I only read English novels, watch English movie/TV with BM subtitle and yeah, that's all I've done. Not that my English is pro and my grammar is so sucks. xD

If you are aiming for Band 6... I can't help much because I am not a Band 6. sweat.gif
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How the f*** that teacher didn't get fired?
Also, thanks for the tip. From your experience, I think I'm gonna be fine in reading exam. But man, my MUET's teacher only give me one essay so far and my trial is in October cry.gif Do you any tips on writing, btw?

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 04:54 PM)
This is offtopic but, may I know where's your avatar from? hmm.gif
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We had a F5 teacher to teach us Chemistry and ... The teacher has no experience in F6 although she is a Degree holder.
Are you expecting all degree holders must have teaching experiences? Should your future employer expect the same things from you when you graduate?

QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 1 2014, 04:42 PM)
When students tried to tell her the concept was wrong, she was really stubborn to deny it saying she was right.
The reason is because inexperienced students lack soft skills and patience in persuasive communication. No one likes to hear they’re “wrong”. If your teacher showed you the wrong concept, and her students took the wrong way to approach her, then it became a difficult conversation. Try asking your Mom to take a selfie and send to your phone via bluetooth. If you fail to receive and your Mom claims that she touched the correct buttons, would you call her “stubborn”?

QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 1 2014, 04:42 PM)
Well, she couldn't even differentiate which is cathode or anode when we were conducting experiment...
Can you distinguish them before and after the experiment? sweat.gif

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 1 2014, 05:39 PM)
She never had any experience in F6 as she was a F5 Chemistry and Biology teacher but she was "forced" to teach us Biology as the only F6 Bio teacher who taught my class last year has retired! She was also masters degree holder as well.
Are you expecting all master holders must have teaching experiences?

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 1 2014, 05:39 PM)
Worse still, like your teacher, she was also stubborn. She showed us the wrong diagram for one of the practicals, so we all drew the wrong diagram. During the next day when she would show us the other diagrams, she denied her mistake when one of my classmates pointed out to her that she showed the wrong diagram to us.
These are the consequence of spoon-feeding education. In the working world, you won't “live long” if you blame your boss gave you the wrong instructions that result in disaster. Learn to protect yourself! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 3 2014, 05:59 PM)
Are you expecting all degree holders must have teaching experiences? Should your future employer expect the same things from you when you graduate?

The reason is because inexperienced students lack soft skills and patience in persuasive communication. No one likes to hear they’re “wrong”. If your teacher showed you the wrong concept, and her students took the wrong way to approach her, then it became a difficult conversation. Try asking your Mom to take a selfie and send to your phone via bluetooth. If you fail to receive and your Mom claims that she touched the correct buttons, would you call her “stubborn”?

Are you expecting all master holders must have teaching experiences?

These are the consequence of spoon-feeding education. In the working world, you won't “live long” if you blame your boss gave you the wrong instructions that result in disaster. Learn to protect yourself! icon_rolleyes.gif
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1. But she claimed that she has already been teaching for years and kept on bragging about how she has masters(she's already in her 50s)... If she hadn't had bragged so much about her qualifications then I wouldn't have complained here. unsure.gif

What does this have to do with career anyway. Totally two different things. hmm.gif

2. Again, totally two different things. In your case, there could be many things that went "wrong". sweat.gif

3. Refer to 1.

4. I've already learnt how to rely on myself ever since I was in Lower 6 as my Biology teacher last year also doesn't bother teaching anyways. No need for you to point it out to me. smile.gif

I definitely prefer spoon feeding education(pretty sure most of us M'sians do anyway as our education system encourages it), but in my situation, I would have no choice but to self study. wink.gif

Is there anything wrong with confessing my feelings here? I'm just voicing out my opinion here.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 07:15 PM)
1. But she claimed that she has already been teaching for years and kept on bragging about how she has masters(she's already in her 50s)... If she hadn't had bragged so much about her qualifications then I wouldn't have complained here.
To be specific, F5 teaching experience and F6 teaching experience are two different experiences. Of course, bragging is an annoying thing to me as well. However, are you generalizing that all master holders must have the teaching experiences from Primary 1 to Form 6? sweat.gif

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 07:15 PM)
2. Again, totally two different things. In your case, there could be many things that went "wrong".
The point I'm trying to make is that different approaches lead to different outcomes. Should the students take a thought-provoking subtle approach, the teacher's feedback would be constructive. “Everyone makes silly mistakes in life, but that doesn’t mean we have to kill their careers.” -- My Boss icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 07:15 PM)
No need for you to point it out to me.
The lesson learned in this case is that if we know the risks of spoon-feeding, we'll cautiously do the checking and rechecking to get things right before getting things done. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 07:15 PM)
Is there anything wrong with confessing my feelings here? I'm just voicing out my opinion here.
Thanks for sharing your story. There is no right or wrong in this matter. Like I said, different approaches lead to different outcomes. If the conversation is built on “I am right, you are wrong”, it will cause endless grief. doh.gif

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 07:15 PM)
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I definitely prefer spoon feeding education(pretty sure most of us M'sians do anyway as our education system encourages it), but in my situation, I would have no choice but to self study. wink.gif

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I expected more of you. When I read that statement, I was disappointed.

I would never call spoon-feeding education 'education'.

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QUOTE(maximR @ Sep 3 2014, 08:35 PM)
I expected more of you. When I read that statement, I was disappointed.

I would never call spoon-feeding education 'education'.
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Unfortunately Malaysian students have adapted to that method of learning ever since they are young. Lucky enough that I chose to learn by myself in the beginning of my form 6 and teachers are more like a guidance to me. In my opinion, tuition is the biggest culprit that causes spoon-feeding education on going even in pre-university education. I think the engineers in the future would only think of which formula to apply instead of using their critical and creative thinking skills to solve problems.

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Sep 3 2014, 04:54 PM)
I'm exactly taking tuition for the subjects that I find difficult(Maths and Chemistry). Never took PA tuition but I got an A- for Term 1, A for Term 2. biggrin.gif  For Biology, I got A- for Term 1, C- for Term 2. sweat.gif I have always never understood why there are some students who can score so easily for STPM Maths T.. while I find myself struggling really hard.

By the way, I only went for Chem tuition during form 4, as the tuition teacher was having some sort of illness until he couldn't teach anymore. I relied on doing a lot of past year SPM trials for Chemistry, ended up getting only a B+. rclxub.gif But I got a B for Term 1 and B- for Term 2 Chem. hmm.gif
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Lol, whereas I don't understand how some students could score 4.00 and they take all science subjects. (Phys, Bio, Chem, Maths T). I think you are doing great with your results, a whole lot better than mine. Maybe can consider to retake Biology Term 2.

QUOTE(WanHuz @ Sep 3 2014, 05:25 PM)
How the f*** that teacher didn't get fired?
Also, thanks for the tip. From your experience, I think I'm gonna be fine in reading exam. But man, my MUET's teacher only give me one essay so far and my trial is in October  cry.gif Do you any tips on writing, btw?
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Because we are all lack of MUET teacher. wink.gif
Not that much since, like I told you, I was only taught a few basics and my level of writing is just Form 5. I pretty much follow anything that is found in Longman reference book.
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 3 2014, 05:59 PM)
Are you expecting all degree holders must have teaching experiences? Should your future employer expect the same things from you when you graduate?

These are the consequence of spoon-feeding education. In the working world, you won't “live long” if you blame your boss gave you the wrong instructions that result in disaster. Learn to protect yourself! icon_rolleyes.gif
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She has been teaching for 8 years in SPM Chemistry. Cathode and anode is pretty much a SPM level. It wasn't my group that asked her that question. I was happened to be nearby to hear the conversation. So, yes, it was quite shocking to find out she didn't know which one. And no, I'm not expecting her to be able to teach F6 syllabus. It's just sometimes she messed up basic things, it's kinda hard to listen to her in the class.
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In between of spoon-feeding > understand better or non-spoon feeding > fail exam, I would rather choose spoon feeding. I tried to study on my own in STPM Term 1 and it didn't come out that well. What solution I could come out with? Tuition. But could I said half-half? I studied on my own for Biology and Pengajian Am. Well, actually I studied on my own during SPM except for Maths & Add Maths. It's just in STPM, there is no choice for me but to get tuition.
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QUOTE(moonnightsilver @ Sep 3 2014, 08:59 PM)
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Lol, whereas I don't understand how some students could score 4.00 and they take all science subjects. (Phys, Bio, Chem, Maths T). I think you are doing great with your results, a whole lot better than mine. Maybe can consider to retake Biology Term 2.

Because we are all lack of MUET teacher. wink.gif
Not that much since, like I told you, I was only taught a few basics and my level of writing is just Form 5. I pretty much follow anything that is found in Longman reference book.
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She has been teaching for 8 years in SPM Chemistry. Cathode and anode is pretty much a SPM level. It wasn't my group that asked her that question. I was happened to be nearby to hear the conversation. So, yes, it was quite shocking to find out she didn't know which one. And no, I'm not expecting her to be able to teach F6 syllabus. It's just sometimes she messed up basic things, it's kinda hard to listen to her in the class.
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In between of spoon-feeding > understand better or non-spoon feeding > fail exam, I would rather choose spoon feeding. I tried to study on my own in STPM Term 1 and it didn't come out that well. What solution I could come out with? Tuition. But could I said half-half? I studied on my own for Biology and Pengajian Am. Well, actually I studied on my own during SPM except for Maths & Add Maths. It's just in STPM, there is no choice for me but to get tuition.
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Nowadays, students are just expecting to obtain good result to hope for a better future(?). And they have lost interest in the process of learning. Personally I think that students nowadays are not even learning. They are studying like mad just for a better outcome. Is the outcome so important that students should prioritise the result rather than enjoy learning and going through the hardship by themselves or with friends. I also think that tuition has already lost its main purpose, even most top scorers (in KL) score well relying a lot on tuition notes while thinking that how horrible their teachers are in school. Or worse, I witnessed that the 2014/15 batch of form six in my school tend to show disrespect to teachers thinking that they are useless thinking that the tutors are the best teachers.

Would you teach your future generation to feed themselves or feed them until you are gone? Ask yourself. Sorry if I offended you but I can't stand on spoon-feeding education as the best solution. Or maybe I am being too sensitive.

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To be specific, F5 teaching experience and F6 teaching experience are two different experiences. Of course, bragging is an annoying thing to me as well. However, are you generalizing that all master holders must have the teaching experiences from Primary 1 to Form 6? sweat.gif
The point I'm trying to make is that different approaches lead to different outcomes. Should the students take a thought-provoking subtle approach, the teacher's feedback would be constructive. “Everyone makes silly mistakes in life, but that doesn’t mean we have to kill their careers.” -- My Boss icon_idea.gif
The lesson learned in this case is that if we know the risks of spoon-feeding, we'll cautiously do the checking and rechecking to get things right before getting things done. icon_rolleyes.gif
Thanks for sharing your story. There is no right or wrong in this matter. Like I said, different approaches lead to different outcomes. If the conversation is built on “I am right, you are wrong”, it will cause endless grief. doh.gif
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Lol, whereas I don't understand how some students could score 4.00 and they take all science subjects. (Phys, Bio, Chem, Maths T). I think you are doing great with your results, a whole lot better than mine. Maybe can consider to retake Biology Term 2.

She has been teaching for 8 years in SPM Chemistry. Cathode and anode is pretty much a SPM level. It wasn't my group that asked her that question. I was happened to be nearby to hear the conversation. So, yes, it was quite shocking to find out she didn't know which one. And no, I'm not expecting her to be able to teach F6 syllabus. It's just sometimes she messed up basic things, it's kinda hard to listen to her in the class.
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In between of spoon-feeding > understand better or non-spoon feeding > fail exam, I would rather choose spoon feeding. I tried to study on my own in STPM Term 1 and it didn't come out that well. What solution I could come out with? Tuition. But could I said half-half? I studied on my own for Biology and Pengajian Am. Well, actually I studied on my own during SPM except for Maths & Add Maths. It's just in STPM, there is no choice for me but to get tuition.
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Agreed with you..

I had a cousin who scored 3As in A-levels, and now she's doing medicine in an IPTS. She told me that it's mostly spoon feeding for her course. When I asked her whether would she prefer spoon-feeding or not, she said of course she preferred spoon feeding. sweat.gif

My classmates also told me that most students also only study for the sake of exams, not really for the sake of learning..

So yeah, sad to say, I assume most of the top scorers don't really care much about the process of learning(I don't deny that I'm a victim of this too).

Call me dumb or stupid(or whatever) if you want too. unsure.gif
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I expected more of you. When I read that statement, I was disappointed.

I would never call spoon-feeding education 'education'.
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That's unexpected, given that you've never even praised or complimented me before. hmm.gif
I praise you for having the courage to follow your heart and intuition blush.gif
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My classmates also told me that most students also only study for the sake of exams, not really for the sake of learning.
Thanks for sharing another heartbreaking story. sad.gif

One thing your classmates probably don't know is that some job interviews today involve written test. The tests are conducted to make sure that the candidates have certain types of knowledge and skills, because some employers have determined that that’s an important factor to know whether the candidates are the right fit for the job. If the candidates don’t do well on that test, that’s not just a sign for the employers not to hire them, it’s also a sign for themselves that this isn’t the right job for them. wink.gif
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Unfortunately Malaysian students have adapted to that method of learning ever since they are young. ... In my opinion, tuition is the biggest culprit that causes spoon-feeding education on going even in pre-university education.
Our education systems at Primary & Secondary schools are designed in such a way, that students do not have to show any initiative. As long as they just follow the instructions of their teachers, they will be somewhat “Okay”. The students just have to consume the “food” when instructed “Open wide,” without having a second thought whether the food is healthy or harmful. Most of the work is about memorizing, and that is what they will do just before their exams, to have forgotten most of that material within one or two weeks.

Perhaps, it's time to encourage maximR to give a TED talk at TED×Teen 2015. thumbup.gif

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As usual, work smart, not hard. Try to understand the topic. Memorizing doesn't actually help if you don't understand the concept.
This is easy to talk about in theory, but it’s more fun to about in practice. laugh.gif

(1) Would you share with me and your juniors about your study techniques?

(2) Many students wasted their time slogging through confusion. How did you break through the frustration barrier?

(3) Is it possible to acquire a new knowledge or pick up a math skill less painfully?

(4) How did you invest your time wisely in study and everything else?
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I know some of you are probably just venting about your teachers, but keep in mind that they're human too and most of them gave good intentions. They might seem nasty and prepare too many exercises, but at least they care enough to do so. Some aren't the best teachers, but that doesn't mean they didn't try their best.

At the start of Form 6, I was a little envious of the more elite schools in my area because their teachers were just so good (subjective though). After a while, I realised that, hey, most of my class don't bother with my teachers and instead rely on they tuition classes, so why not get a little closer with my subject teachers? Thus, they became personal tutors who I go to when I need guidance. I had the luxury of being able to call them for A LOT of extra classes smile.gif
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QUOTE(300thecat @ Sep 4 2014, 08:29 AM)
I know some of you are probably just venting about your teachers, but keep in mind that they're human too and most of them gave good intentions. They might seem nasty and prepare too many exercises, but at least they care enough to do so. Some aren't the best teachers, but that doesn't mean they didn't try their best.

At the start of Form 6, I was a little envious of the more elite schools in my area because their teachers were just so good (subjective though). After a while, I realised that, hey, most of my class don't bother with my teachers and instead rely on they tuition classes, so why not get a little closer with my subject teachers? Thus, they became personal tutors who I go to when I need guidance. I had the luxury of being able to call them for A LOT of extra classes smile.gif
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I think I know which school you're referring to. wink.gif You're from PJ right? hmm.gif

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Just found out from my MUET teacher about the statistics for the latest MUET exams results:

Band 4: 6 students

Band 3: 29 students

Band 2: 28 students

Total candidates for the MUET exams: 63 students. None even achieved a score of Band 5 and above.

While we're on it, I'd like to congratulate yellowpika for achieving an amazing Band 5 in her MUET test. Your hard work has paid off! notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Sep 4 2014, 04:12 PM)
Just found out from my MUET teacher about the statistics for the latest MUET exams results:

Band 4: 6 students

Band 3: 29 students

Band 2: 28 students

Total candidates for the MUET exams: 63 students. None even achieved a score of Band 5 and above.

While we're on it, I'd like to congratulate yellowpika for achieving an amazing Band 5 in her MUET test. Your hard work has paid off! notworthy.gif
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Thank you! I think I'm just lucky to get a Band 5. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(300thecat @ Sep 4 2014, 08:29 AM)
I know some of you are probably just venting about your teachers, but keep in mind that they're human too and most of them gave good intentions. They might seem nasty and prepare too many exercises, but at least they care enough to do so. Some aren't the best teachers, but that doesn't mean they didn't try their best.

At the start of Form 6, I was a little envious of the more elite schools in my area because their teachers were just so good (subjective though). After a while, I realised that, hey, most of my class don't bother with my teachers and instead rely on they tuition classes, so why not get a little closer with my subject teachers? Thus, they became personal tutors who I go to when I need guidance. I had the luxury of being able to call them for A LOT of extra classes smile.gif
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Elite schools don't necessarily have good teachers. Some teachers in elite schools are transferred in from other schools while some teachers in elite schools are transferred out to other ordinary schools.

There's nothing special about elite schools except the students. Trust me I am an elite school graduate and I've been taught by many new teachers transferred from other schools and they are all still great. biggrin.gif

The young graduate teachers, and especially *a*hem, are however totally devoid of quality and don't deserve to be teachers. Sorry, this is just the truth.
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The young graduate teachers, and especially *a*hem, are however totally devoid of quality and don't deserve to be teachers. Sorry, this is just the truth.
Would you clarify this statement, please? unsure.gif
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What are the examination coverage and exclusions? smile.gif
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It's kind of vague actually... Initially for Maths T, my teacher insisted that the entire syllabus of first term Maths come out in the trials. But, not too long ago, I got confirmation from her that there was a change in plans and that only the final chapter(Vectors) be excluded from the test. I didn't receive any word from my PA teacher so far pertaining to the coverage of the PA chapters in the trial exams. As for Physics and Chemistry, I will only get the answers and some conformations on next week.

I don't know if it's just me or what, but whenever I think of the upcoming trials, I'll always get the inconceivable sense of foreboding...
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Nowadays, students are just expecting to obtain good result to hope for a better future(?). And they have lost interest in the process of learning. Personally I think that students nowadays are not even learning. They are studying like mad just for a better outcome. Is the outcome so important that students should prioritise the result rather than enjoy learning and going through the hardship by themselves or with friends. I also think that tuition has already lost its main purpose, even most top scorers (in KL) score well relying a lot on tuition notes while thinking that how horrible their teachers are in school. Or worse, I witnessed that the 2014/15 batch of form six in my school tend to show disrespect to teachers thinking that they are useless thinking that the tutors are the best teachers.

Would you teach your future generation to feed themselves or feed them until you are gone? Ask yourself. Sorry if I offended you but I can't stand on spoon-feeding education as the best solution. Or maybe I am being too sensitive.
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It's hard not to agree. No. It's okay to state your opinion and I agree spoon feeding is not the best solution. But I guess seeing for example, my situation it was the only way or you could say it's a temporary solution. However, I do believe that learning is a never ending process.

I might sound silly or somewhat. But oh well.
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This is easy to talk about in theory, but it’s more fun to about in practice. laugh.gif

(1) Would you share with me and your juniors about your study techniques?

(2) Many students wasted their time slogging through confusion. How did you break through the frustration barrier?

(3) Is it possible to acquire a new knowledge or pick up a math skill less painfully?

(4) How did you invest your time wisely in study and everything else?
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It's an advice taken from Chemistry teacher. My results aren't one of the top scorer so I don't want to brag too much. Just wanna share it out. smile.gif
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Was digging through old files in my computer and I came across IELTS exercises I scanned for my friend early this year. I hope it'll give you guys a good impression of what to expect of the external tests you might opt for after STPM.

http://www.4shared.com/rar/p_uhQgOFba/IELTS.html

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Elite schools don't necessarily have good teachers. Some teachers in elite schools are transferred in from other schools while some teachers in elite schools are transferred out to other ordinary schools.

There's nothing special about elite schools except the students. Trust me I am an elite school graduate and I've been taught by many new teachers transferred from other schools and they are all still great.  biggrin.gif

The young graduate teachers, and especially *a*hem, are however totally devoid of quality and don't deserve to be teachers. Sorry, this is just the truth.
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I heard from my form teacher that those students from elite schools are more hardworking than those from ordinary schools, and that's why their results are much better.

Is that true? hmm.gif
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It's an advice taken from Chemistry teacher. My results aren't one of the top scorer so I don't want to brag too much. Just wanna share it out. smile.gif
Like I said, it is easy to talk about in theory, but it’s more fun to talk about in practice.

In reality, many students wasted their time slogging through confusions and doubts, trying to understand a concept or learn a new skill.
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hi I'm new user.... happy to chat......hope you all can help me........tq

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hi I'm new user.... happy to chat......hope you all can help me........tq
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You are free to sound any opinion related to Form Six Here.
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Two weeks ago, I just finished school monthly exam.
I screwed up everything, especially Maths T sad.gif

Any ways for improving my maths besides doing more practice?
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Two weeks ago, I just finished school monthly exam.
I screwed up everything, especially Maths T sad.gif

Any ways for improving my maths besides doing more practice?
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Can you please kindly post all your exam papers in this thread? sweat.gif I would like to know the nature of the questions themselves. Besides, I think some seniors out here will be able to guide you to ameliorate your mistakes and flaws that you've did in your exam if you clearly show the parts on where you deemed difficult to deal with.

Besides, you're not the only one here who's having some troubles in Maths T, and I think I'll even fare badly than you do if my exam's on 2 weeks ago.
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By the way, how about Physics, Chemistry and PA going for you? sweat.gif It seems to me that you are only in quagmire when it comes to Maths T, and I don't think you have much trouble dealing with the other 3 subjects. notworthy.gif
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Welcome biggrin.gif Hope that I am able to help you!

You are free to sound any opinion related to Form Six Here.
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Welcome biggrin.gif Hope that I am able to help you!

You are free to sound any opinion related to Form Six Here.


tq........at you cuz want to help me biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Any ways for improving my maths besides doing more practice?
Anyone who has become really good at math did it by reading books and practicing. You probably think that sounds too simple to be true, but there it is. In fact, learning, as always, has to be done by the yourself. No one can acquire math skills without doing problems, and the more the better. However, realistically you have a finite amount of time. You will be overwhelmed if problems are too many, and frustrated if problems are too difficult.

If you haven't read the book “The Art and Craft of Problem Solving” by Paul Zeitz, you should remedy that deficiency as soon as possible. Dr. Paul Zeitz is Professor of Mathematics at the University of San Francisco. One of his greatest interests is mathematical problem solving. He won the USA Mathematical Olympiad (USAMO) and was a member of the first American team to participate in the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) in 1974. He was honored in March 2002 with the Award for Distinguished College or University Teaching of Mathematics by the Northern California Section of the Mathematical Association of America (MAA), and in January 2003, he received the MAA's national teaching award, the Deborah and Franklin Tepper Haimo Award. maximR can probably write a book testimonial. sweat.gif Or else, you can get his videos from The Great Courses.

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Fundamentally, you should look at George Polya's 4-step problem-solving approach. Also work as many Mensa puzzles as you can. Alternatively, you can play Unblock Me puzzles on your Android phone. The value of solving puzzles is that they teach you alternative ways of thinking about problem solving by motivating you to learn to 'think outside the box', so to speak. icon_idea.gif
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Very glad that I found this thread. Although I was a bit late... I'm taking bio, chem, Pa, and Math T. I've read a lot of the past posts and thank you to those who willing to share about the Math T coursework. It really help me alot. I bet that all of you must have pass up the coursework~ while i still struggling at the methodology part. And... I'm new in Lowyat... anyone please teach me how to insert emotion..?? Hehe

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And... I'm new in Lowyat... anyone please teach me how to insert emotion..?? Hehe
For beginners, click the user posted image button and you'll see the clickable smilies. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Anybody has complete Ekonomi 2014 PBS? i really need it sad.gif anyone found a link pls pm me i've searched google but still can't find any.
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QUOTE(Nursh @ Sep 7 2014, 02:12 PM)
Anybody has complete Ekonomi 2014 PBS? i really need it  sad.gif  anyone found a link pls pm me i've searched google but still can't find any.
Please scan the PBS and put up on this thread. icon_idea.gif
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Tema 1 Imbangan akaun semasa Malaysia dari tahun 2005 hingga 2012.
Tema 2 Perusahaan Kecil dan sederhana di kawasan anda.
Im doing Tema 1 since teacher recommended it because it's easy,
Kajian ini bertujuan untuk (can be change to review different things) :
- Mengkaji arah aliran imbangan akaun semasa Malaysia dari tahun 2005 hingga tahun 2012.
- Mengkaji faktor-faktor yang dipengaruhi akaun semasa pada tahun 2005 hingga 2012.

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Anybody has complete Ekonomi 2014 PBS? i really need it  sad.gif  anyone found a link pls pm me i've searched google but still can't find any.
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I did on imbangan dagangan dan perkhidmatan. What do you need help with?
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I did on imbangan dagangan dan perkhidmatan. What do you need help with?
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Pretty much most of the hasil kajian part sad.gif . Friday need to hand in icon_question.gif

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Pretty much most of the hasil kajian part  sad.gif . Friday need to hand in icon_question.gif
What are your research findings from 2005 to 2012? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Nursh @ Sep 8 2014, 07:40 PM)
Pretty much most of the hasil kajian part  sad.gif . Friday need to hand in icon_question.gif
Can you outline your ideas in the following structure?

- Introduction
- Body
- Conclusion
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Pretty much most of the hasil kajian part  sad.gif . Friday need to hand in icon_question.gif
BODY
- Benefits of changes in “imbangan akaun semasa
- Drawbacks of changes

Tips: Use facts, examples, and statistics to support your “hasil kajian”. icon_idea.gif
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BODY
- Benefits of changes in “imbangan akaun semasa
- Drawbacks of changes

Tips: Use facts, examples, and statistics to support your “hasil kajian”. icon_idea.gif
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Im stuck on what to do at hasil kajian. I'm not that good at the ekonomi subject.

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5.0 Hasil Kajian
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This is not your hasil kajian. It is merely a statistics without breakdowns.

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A real hasil kajian should include your investigation, analysis, and proposal. icon_rolleyes.gif
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hi. im still confused about this mathematics T coursework. i already did the intro and methodology but i dont know how n where to start the results and questions given. can anyone guide me?


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hi. im still confused about this mathematics T coursework. i already did the intro and methodology but i dont know how n where to start the results and questions given. can anyone guide me?
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For some of the section for Results, you can start by taking a look at this page and the next to roughly get the main idea on where to start and what to do.
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I bet you have already done most if not all of the questions. In the Results section, it would be safe if you clearly display each of the reading(and calculation) of the quantity of quinine in the body before and right after every dosage is given.

You should also list out any formula that you are utilising and clearly explain on how you applied them into the given problems. You can't do the equation unless you have all the variables.

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Hello, sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

Do any of you know or have been taught on the methods to construct each of the paragraph for the body in PA essay? I don't think I have much trouble starting up and ending it with my intro and conclusion, and do most of you follow up this kind of format for each paragraph unsure.gif :

Main point (Ayat isi) ➔ Reasons/Factors(Punca) ➔Effect(Kesan) ➔Examples(Contoh) ➔Closure(Penutup isi)

For example:
Nyatakan cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhanda) dalam meghadapi persaingan produk....

Salah satu cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhana) ialah kekurangan kewangan dan modal. Hal ini demikian kerana kebanyakan IKS yang wujud masih bertaraf hijau dan berperintis. Natijahnya, kekurangan modal akan menyebabkan pembelian bahan mentah terbatas. Pembiaya dan pelabur juga enggan melabur dan memberikan bantuan modal disebabkan kurangya kepercayaan dan keyakinan terhadap rekod kecemerlangan yang ada pada IKS. Oleh hal yang demikian, masalah kekangan kewangan dan modal ini harus dihadapi dan diselesaikan sekiranya pemasaran IKS ingin berkembang maju.

Is it suffice? unsure.gif

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Hello, sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

Do any of you know or have been taught on the methods to construct each of the paragraph for the body in PA essay? I don't think I have much trouble starting up and ending it with my intro and conclusion, and do most of you follow up this kind of format for each paragraph unsure.gif :

Main point (Ayat isi) ➔ Reasons/Factors(Punca) ➔Effect(Kesan) ➔Examples(Contoh) ➔Closure(Penutup isi)

For example:
Nyatakan cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhanda) dalam meghadapi persaingan produk....

    Salah satu cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhana) ialah kekurangan kewangan dan modal. Hal ini demikian kerana kebanyakan IKS yang wujud masih bertaraf hijau dan berperintis. Natijahnya, kekurangan modal akan menyebabkan pembelian bahan mentah terbatas. Pembiaya dan pelabur juga enggan melabur dan memberikan bantuan modal disebabkan kurangya kepercayaan dan keyakinan terhadap rekod kecemerlangan yang ada pada IKS. Oleh hal yang demikian, masalah kekangan kewangan dan modal ini harus dihadapi dan diselesaikan sekiranya pemasaran IKS ingin berkembang maju.

Is it suffice? unsure.gif
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It is more than enough. For every isi, you only need two extra simple huraian.

Mind the word limits.

Normally, if 5+0, try to write 6+0

and if 2+3 or 3+2, try to write 3+3 to play safe

Huraian isn't very important. Don't write so long.
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Do any of you know or have been taught on the methods to construct each of the paragraph for the body in PA essay?

Main point (Ayat isi) ➔ Reasons/Factors(Punca) ➔Effect(Kesan) ➔Examples(Contoh) ➔Closure(Penutup isi)
I'm no P/A expert, but I believe this will generate ideas for you and it makes your essay more defensible. It applies to almost all kinds of scientific writings and argumentative essays. This technique is called The Toulmin's Model of Argumentation. icon_rolleyes.gif

Example #1:
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Example #2:
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Normally, if 5+0, try to write 6+0

and if 2+3 or 3+2, try to write 3+3 to play safe

Huraian isn't very important. Don't write so long.
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blink.gif I don't think any of my friends have been informed that we can write another additional point(isi) for every essay as we are obliged to strictly follow the requirements from the question given. So, we won't usually write more than 5.

Weird, my teacher told us the other way around regarding the elaboration part in our essay since it's one of the factors that contributes to the marks in our essay. So, he incited us to write down as many examples as we could.

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I'm no P/A expert, but I believe this will generate ideas for you and it makes your essay more defensible. It applies to almost all kinds of scientific writings and argumentative essays. This technique is called The Toulmin's Model of Argumentation. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Thanks for your help, appreciate it. notworthy.gif While I might have no problem thinking up of an idea or elaboration in my head, I do have problems from converting my ideas and convey them into my essay. unsure.gif It often seems to be a daunting task for me.
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While I might have no problem thinking up of an idea or elaboration in my head, I do have problems from converting my ideas and convey them into my essay. unsure.gif It often seems to be a daunting task for me.
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 8 2014, 08:33 PM)
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Hi I wanna ask about this. I also have the statistics of the arah aliran from 2005 to 2012. But instead of talking about the effects and drawbacks of the changes, I wrote about the punca. May I also know how to approach it in your manner since the effects and drawbacks are quite wide? Btw, I've already handed it in, just curious to know.

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blink.gif I don't think any of my friends have been informed that we can write another additional point(isi) for every essay as we are obliged to strictly follow the requirements from the question given. So, we won't usually write more than 5.


5 isi should be enough but some people may want to write more because apparently if your isi doesn't match the marking scheme, it'll be rejected. Your huraian is good but normally we don't have a penutup isi. We normally use contoh.

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blink.gif I don't think any of my friends have been informed that we can write another additional point(isi) for every essay as we are obliged to strictly follow the requirements from the question given. So, we won't usually write more than 5.

Weird, my teacher told us the other way around regarding the elaboration part in our essay since it's one of the factors that contributes to the marks in our essay. So, he incited us to write down as many examples as we could.
Thanks for your help, appreciate it. notworthy.gif While I might have no problem thinking up of an idea or elaboration in my head, I do have problems from converting my ideas and convey them into my essay. unsure.gif It often seems to be a daunting task for me.
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No. Trust me, ISI is way much more important than huraian. Is your teacher a STPM marker?

I write an extra point for all three terms last time, and my result was B+ (wrote one essay wrong, my fault, should be 5+0 but I wrote 2+3), A- (gave up all structure questions for 2nd term), and A for third term using the particular format.

Stress the isi. If your isi is wrong, your huraian will not be looked at all, and you will get no points for the whole point, including isi.

Whereas if your huraian is wrong but isi is correct, you still get your marks for isi.

By the way, you are given 50 extra words allowance, meaning if it says 'tidak melebihi 350 patah perkataan', you're free to write UP UNTIL 400.

Keep the introduction and closing paragraph as short as possible. They don't contribute a single point.

Trust me, I survived STPM PA by using this method for all three terms, and my final grade was A.

And I've got two great teachers (plus my teacher) in my school who published Longman PA and Pelangi PA. They are completely trustworthy. =)


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Hi I wanna ask about this. I also have the statistics of the arah aliran from 2005 to 2012. But instead of talking about the effects and drawbacks of the changes, I wrote about the punca. May I also know how to approach it in your manner since the effects and drawbacks are quite wide? Btw, I've already handed it in, just curious to know.
The method that I usually use is based on the concept of Yin-Yang, where any ideas can be expanded upon almost endlessly. If you write about the punca, you can also follow up with the akibatnya. icon_idea.gif

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The method that I usually use is based on the concept of Yin-Yang, where any ideas can be expanded upon almost endlessly. If you write about the punca, you can also follow up with the akibatnya. icon_idea.gif

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Well, that's true. icon_rolleyes.gif Then I guess I can talk about the effects in general. Though not year by year since the effects are likely the same every year. smile.gif
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Well, that's true.  icon_rolleyes.gif  Then I guess I can talk about the effects in general. Though not year by year since the effects are likely the same every year.  smile.gif
The purpose of the assignment is to test your ability to analyze, interpret and evaluate statistical information. wink.gif
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do you guys have any trial or past year question? mind sharing? for biology and chemistry especially. i looked for it on the net and found few of it.
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5 isi should be enough but some people may want to write more because apparently if your isi doesn't match the marking scheme, it'll be rejected. Your huraian is good but normally we don't have a penutup isi. We normally use contoh.
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That's what I'm afraid of, a piece of derailed-essay. You might think that you'll do just fine after you've complete the essay, but you never know that you've written an essay that was off-topic and only the result can tell if you make it or not...

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do you guys have any trial or past year question? mind sharing? for biology and chemistry especially. i looked for it on the net and found few of it.
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When is your trial? If your's already finished not too long ago, might as well share with us? blush.gif Pardon me though, my trial only ends on 25th of September and I'll only post them up here once I got my hands on them. So, you will just have to wait for the moment.
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When is your trial? If your's already finished not too long ago, might as well share with us? blush.gif Pardon me though, my trial only ends on 25th of September and I'll only post them up here once I got my hands on them. So, you will just have to wait for the moment.
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Haha i would glad to share with you guys but unfortunately, my trial will be on 30th sept. so sorry i couldnt help sad.gif but i post my trial question for sure after this. so we could exchange perhaps?
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Haha i would glad to share with you guys but unfortunately, my trial will be on 30th sept. so sorry i couldnt help sad.gif  but i post my trial question for sure after this. so we could exchange perhaps?
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That's a deal! smile.gif

Anyway, how's your preparations towards your trials? I don't take Biology as one of my subjects, but at the mere glance of the discombobulating Krebs Cycle and the way some of my friends perpetually recapitulate them every single day in my class often seems to leave a sense of awe in me. blink.gif
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No. Trust me, ISI is way much more important than huraian. Is your teacher a STPM marker?

I write an extra point for all three terms last time, and my result was B+ (wrote one essay wrong, my fault, should be 5+0 but I wrote 2+3), A- (gave up all structure questions for 2nd term), and A for third term using the particular format.

Stress the isi. If your isi is wrong, your huraian will not be looked at all, and you will get no points for the whole point, including isi.

Whereas if your huraian is wrong but isi is correct, you still get your marks for isi.
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Thanks for the info. But, a friend of mine that is taking tuition for PA in IBM(Institut Bukit Mertajam) told me today that his PA tuition teacher barred her students from writing for more than 5 isi in any given essay. My friend claimed that she was one of the chief marker for the PA subjects and therefore has experiences in marking PA essays. Now, I'm not going to start a debate of telling whether which method is safe and effective to garner higher marks, but I think I'll just ask for more clarification for the time being.

And also, could you please tell me on how you're able to secure high marks in both the objective and structure question? My teacher gave me a lot of exercises and yet I can't even secure a score of more than 7 or 8 out of the total 15 questions. And structure questions seemed to be a tough nut to crack for me if given the fact that I'm clueless in what needs to be answered. More often than not, I will write down what I know that pertains to the given question and the answers might be long and verbose, and yet I end up getting nil. I would really like to further know your mastery over these 2 sections. notworthy.gif

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I don't take Biology as one of my subjects, but at the mere glance of the discombobulating Krebs Cycle and the way some of my friends perpetually recapitulate them every single day in my class often seems to leave a sense of awe in me. blink.gif
Oh! The Citric Acid Cycle.

Here are two interactive animations that help students to grasp the concepts in Biochemistry. Share with your classmates! icon_rolleyes.gif

Rodney Boyer's Concepts in Biochemistry textbook

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Pratt and Cornely Essential Biochemistry textbook

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Thanks for the info. But, a friend of mine that is taking tuition for PA in IBM(Institut Bukit Mertajam) told me today that his PA tuition teacher barred her students from writing for more than 5 isi in any given essay. My friend claimed that she was one of the chief marker for the PA subjects and therefore has experiences in marking PA essays. Now, I'm not going to start a debate of telling whether which method is safe and effective to garner higher marks, but I think I'll just ask for more clarification for the time being.

And also, could you please tell me on how you're able to secure high marks in both the objective and structure question? My teacher gave me a lot of exercises and yet I can't even secure a score of more than 7 or 8 out of the total 15 questions. And structure questions seemed to be a tough nut to crack for me if given the fact that I'm clueless in what needs to be answered. More often than not, I will write down what I know that pertains to the given question and the answers might be long and verbose, and yet I end up getting nil. I would really like to further know your mastery over these 2 sections. notworthy.gif
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I gave up all structured questions for semester 1 and semester 2 entirely. I got a B+ for first sem (my fault, I wrote on essay wrong) and A- for second term. I merely focused on the graph and the essay (by using the particular format I mentioned above) for second term. Dasar are too difficult for me to remember.

Unless there's a change in requirement for PA Esei, or else I guarantee the method I mentioned above is safe. It helps me secured an A for my PA.

At the end of the essay, I even wrote (284 patah perkataan). It's safe, really.
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Oh! The Citric Acid Cycle.

Here are two interactive animations that help students to grasp the concepts in Biochemistry. Share with your classmates! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks for these vital animations. I'm going to inform them about this.

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I gave up all structured questions for semester 1 and semester 2 entirely. I got a B+ for first sem (my fault, I wrote on essay wrong) and A- for second term. I merely focused on the graph and the essay (by using the particular format I mentioned above) for second term. Dasar are too difficult for me to remember.

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Worry not about the word count. I've been told that it's alright to write more than the limit of the words given, but what I do fear is my inability to write out a decent essay with a correct format.

It's unbelievable that you're able to score a 4.00 pointer for your overall PA CGPA albeit the fact that you were unable to garner a lot of marks out of the structure questions, which brings me to another point, how were you able to achieve this feat? Did you focus more on the essay sections and the graph for the first and second term respectively knowing that you are about to lose lots of marks in structure questions?

Pardon me for asking too much questions that I deemed superfluous and thanks in advance.
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Thanks for these vital animations. I'm going to inform them about this.
Worry not about the word count. I've been told that it's alright to write more than the limit of the words given, but what I do fear is my inability to write out a decent essay with a correct format.

It's unbelievable that you're able to score a 4.00 pointer for your overall PA CGPA albeit the fact that you were unable to garner a lot of marks out of the structure questions, which brings me to another point, how were you able to achieve this feat? Did you focus more on the essay sections and the graph for the first and second term respectively knowing that you are about to lose lots of marks in structure questions?

Pardon me for asking too much questions that I deemed superfluous and thanks in advance.
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Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays. nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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Thanks for the info. But, a friend of mine that is taking tuition for PA in IBM(Institut Bukit Mertajam) told me today that his PA tuition teacher barred her students from writing for more than 5 isi in any given essay. My friend claimed that she was one of the chief marker for the PA subjects and therefore has experiences in marking PA essays. Now, I'm not going to start a debate of telling whether which method is safe and effective to garner higher marks, but I think I'll just ask for more clarification for the time being.

And also, could you please tell me on how you're able to secure high marks in both the objective and structure question? My teacher gave me a lot of exercises and yet I can't even secure a score of more than 7 or 8 out of the total 15 questions. And structure questions seemed to be a tough nut to crack for me if given the fact that I'm clueless in what needs to be answered. More often than not, I will write down what I know that pertains to the given question and the answers might be long and verbose, and yet I end up getting nil. I would really like to further know your mastery over these 2 sections. notworthy.gif
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#1:This is what my teacher told me too, she said that you cannot write more than 5 isi per essay. They won't look at the extra points and you will have the risk of overwritting.

#2:Me too! Seems that we know the facts, yet does not meet the marking scheme requirements sad.gif A tiny bit of keywords lost, whole thing got wrong!! rclxub.gif

A tip from my PA teacher and my monthly test experience:
When the question is asking for PERANAN, Make Sure you start it with imbuhan 'PE-'

My failure of fulfilling this ended up a total of 10 marks just slipped away from my hands. shakehead.gif

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Hello, sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin.

Do any of you know or have been taught on the methods to construct each of the paragraph for the body in PA essay? I don't think I have much trouble starting up and ending it with my intro and conclusion, and do most of you follow up this kind of format for each paragraph unsure.gif :

Main point (Ayat isi) ➔ Reasons/Factors(Punca) ➔Effect(Kesan) ➔Examples(Contoh) ➔Closure(Penutup isi)

For example:
Nyatakan cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhanda) dalam meghadapi persaingan produk....

    Salah satu cabaran yang dihadapi oleh IKS(Industri Kecil dan Sederhana) ialah kekurangan kewangan dan modal. Hal ini demikian kerana kebanyakan IKS yang wujud masih bertaraf hijau dan berperintis. Natijahnya, kekurangan modal akan menyebabkan pembelian bahan mentah terbatas. Pembiaya dan pelabur juga enggan melabur dan memberikan bantuan modal disebabkan kurangya kepercayaan dan keyakinan terhadap rekod kecemerlangan yang ada pada IKS. Oleh hal yang demikian, masalah kekangan kewangan dan modal ini harus dihadapi dan diselesaikan sekiranya pemasaran IKS ingin berkembang maju.

Is it suffice? unsure.gif
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Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays.  nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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My teacher said that you should be satisfied when you get 6 out of 15 marks. ohmy.gif
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Now I just wonder, how can you all having ample time to surf on the internet? I have too much workload on me, and the trial exam is around the corner! Yet my school teacher still forcing us to go for meaningless KO-KU activities which makes us exhausted and no more energy left for homework and studying.

How do you make it?

I totally don't understand the vector equation on a plane. Can someone explain it to me?

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A tip from my PA teacher and my monthly test experience:
When the question is asking for PERANAN, Make Sure you start it with imbuhan 'PE-'

My failure of fulfilling this ended up a total of 10 marks just slipped away from my hands. shakehead.gif
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Wait what?? My PA teacher never informed us about this before. It's totally absurd for me for the fact that you lose marks right off the bat without an imbuhan regardless of what you've written on the paper. doh.gif

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If my teacher is marking your paper, The maximum allocation of marks is Isi=2, Huraian=2
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Do I lack anything else? Mind adding them up for me? blush.gif I think I can learn a thing or two from you since you've completed your test weeks ago.

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My teacher said that you should be satisfied when you get 6 out of 15 marks. ohmy.gif
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I will always, always have a PA book by my side in order to answer any questions that are under the structure or objective sections. There are too many concepts that needs to be grasped and some questions are downright trivial.

Hell, I don't even think I can come out with more than 6 marks from my structure questions.
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Now I just wonder, how can you all having ample time to surf on the internet? I have too much workload on me, and the trial exam is around the corner! Yet my school teacher still forcing us to go for meaningless KO-KU activities which makes us exhausted and no more energy left for homework and studying.

How do you make it?

I totally don't understand the vector equation on a plane. Can someone explain it to me?
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I don't have ample of time too, but I make time for other activities. blush.gif I realised that one thing that I'm coerced to do is sleeping late almost every day due to the inordinate amount of work at hands. If I can particularly find any weekdays where I'm able to hit the sack before 12.00 am, it'll be a 'miracle'.

Our teachers don't force us to attend any co-curricular activities and so the poor attendance for the form 6 students in ko-ku is a norm in our school. Just to let you know that I never ever attend my badminton's weekly activity in school since May. But, our form 6 teacher will often find ways to let us participate in activities that are at state-level so that we can easily garner 14 marks in one go. Just 2 weeks ago, I've participated an annual sports competition that was on state-level, and I will again take part in 'Penang Starwalk' just for the sake of that precious ko-ku marks.

I'm quite thankful that most of our teachers will try to find ways to make us participate in most state-level ko-ku activities, and some of them don't intend to let us get involved in any competitions that aren't giving higher marks, as they deemed that it's only a waste of time and breath. This might be because they know that as soon as we graduate from pre-u, we will be a sitting duck in the aspects of ko-ku marks if we were to juxtapose ours with the ones from matriculation. Anyway, we owe them a big time. notworthy.gif
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Thanks for these vital animations. I'm going to inform them about this.
Worry not about the word count. I've been told that it's alright to write more than the limit of the words given, but what I do fear is my inability to write out a decent essay with a correct format.

It's unbelievable that you're able to score a 4.00 pointer for your overall PA CGPA albeit the fact that you were unable to garner a lot of marks out of the structure questions, which brings me to another point, how were you able to achieve this feat? Did you focus more on the essay sections and the graph for the first and second term respectively knowing that you are about to lose lots of marks in structure questions?

Pardon me for asking too much questions that I deemed superfluous and thanks in advance.
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The quality of essay is not important. Basically, what they look for is solid points written in essay form. So don't worry about PA. PA is the easiest subject to get an A (but also the easiest to fail, just be EXTRA careful)

There is no format for the essay, except to remember to write your isi in the first sentence on every paragraphs. I always wrote only 3 sentences for every paragraphs (1 for isi, 2 for huraian), about 70% the quantity of a normal essay in a reference book, but I still came out fine.

Yes, I gave up all structured questions. For second term, I focused merely on graph and made sure I drew the correct one, and for essay I used the method I outlined above. I wrote 3+3 just to play safe when actually only 2+3 was needed. And I got an A- for second term.

I think I got an A- rather easily because lots of people messed up their graph and essay because they got B- or below.

Essay is not that terrifying as you imagined. You are given 50 word allowance (if it says 350 words, write until 400), keep your introduction and closing paragraph as short as possible to allow more words for your isi and huraian, make sure your isi is correct (you can't be sure whether it's correct or not anyway, who the heck knows what MPM wants?), and just give two extra huraian is enough.

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Well my PA teacher who is a marker told us that majority of the candidates don't really score in structured questions at all, mainly due to the strict marking scheme.

Hence, it is easier to score in PA due to the grading graph being lowered.

So trust me, you don't have to be too worried about this. You should do fine if you just focus on objective and essays.  nod.gif

I agree with what Just Visiting By has said because he told me the same thing last year, and I managed to score A- for Term 1, A for Term 2.

Perhaps it's because I had a great PA teacher teaching me. hmm.gif
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Of course what I said was true, why would I want to hurt anyone? biggrin.gif

Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.

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Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.
Is Pengajian Am about the study of ideas about Politics and Policy?

How does Pengajian Am empower Form 6 students?
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Of course what I said was true, why would I want to hurt anyone?  biggrin.gif

Anyway third term would be much easier. Third term PA is frankly the easiest. More than 50% of candidates in my school scored a perfect A (4.00) for third term.
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Is Pengajian Am about the study of ideas about Politics and Policy?

How does Pengajian Am empower Form 6 students?
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First sem is about kehakiman, kerajaan and umm....I forgot what. Haha I remember there's three k.

First term is the best. You study about different courts in Malaysia and what cases they handle, you study about the laws in Malaysia and the terms like herbeas corpus, then you study about parliaments, what they do and what they discuss, and what decision needs to be made in order to pass a bill et cetera. First term is the best, but it's the hardest to study IMO.

Second term is about Malaysian policies and dasar like Rancangan Malaysia ke-10, all which I find useless. But I kinda like the graph, where you turn linear text to non-linear graph. It's extremely challenging but I like it, and I think it made us skilled in reading and quick calculation and precision.

Third term is about Malaysia's participation in international events like UN, Commonwealth and what Malaysia does with neighbouring countries and how Malaysia help or influence other countries, and what I studied made me think Malaysia is too proud to be the top in developing countries, Malaysia has refused to go on to become the worst among developed countries.

The data synthesis however is also quite fun, but less fun as graph.

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Well, I hope so since I find term 3 PA harder than Term 1 and Term 2, because Section B is sometimes difficult and confusing. sad.gif
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Section B is easy, since there's no word limit, just write everything.

Write about the highest and lowest of certain year, the biggest changes and least changes et cetera.

Just write everything.

My section B was longer than section C LOL.


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First sem is about kehakiman, kerajaan and umm....I forgot what. Haha I remember there's three k.

First term is the best. You study about different courts in Malaysia and what cases they handle, you study about the laws in Malaysia and the terms like herbeas corpus, then you study about parliaments, what they do and what they discuss, and what decision needs to be made in order to pass a bill et cetera. First term is the best, but it's the hardest to study  IMO.
Sounds interesting! laugh.gif

What is the power of Habeas Corpus in Malaysia?

Are there certain loopholes in the use of habeas corpus?
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Sounds interesting! laugh.gif

What is the power of Habeas Corpus in Malaysia?

Are there certain loopholes in the use of habeas corpus?
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LOL it has been two years since I studied it, I can't remember the definition of each law terms anymore.

But I remember it is extremely interesting to study, but we just study the definition of terms. We don't go too specific.

Luckily we did not because the first term itself covered about 75% of the terminal system syllabus! Imagine we studied what was previously studied in one year in 5 months!
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LOL it has been two years since I studied it, I can't remember the definition of each law terms anymore.

But I remember it is extremely interesting to study, but we just study the definition of terms. We don't go too specific.

Luckily we did not because the first term itself covered about 75% of the terminal system syllabus! Imagine we studied what was previously studied in one year in 5 months!
I thought you had fun because you took an interest in kehakiman, and not being forced to memorize. sweat.gif I think all SPM students should learn the common law of Malaysia that protects basic individual rights and freedom. It should also promote democratic awareness among young people. Do A-level students in Malaysia know the basic kehakiman? hmm.gif

A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error.
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I thought you had fun because you took an interest in kehakiman, and not being forced to memorize. sweat.gif I think all SPM students should learn the common law of Malaysia that protects basic individual rights and freedom. It should also promote democratic awareness among young people. Do A-level students in Malaysia know the basic kehakiman? hmm.gif

A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error.
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I had fun reading them I didn't have fun memorising/studying them, just like I like reading storybooks but I couldn't possibly remember all the settings and sentences because I like reading them, not studying them. biggrin.gif

Besides laws, we did study a bit of the Malaysian Constitution, which is very helpful but I have now forgotten a lot of it. Sadly.
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Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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A good day Just Visiting By and fellow yellowpika. I have some questions for you two regarding my upcoming MUET test.

Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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Well, for group discussion, you can always conclude by saying : We are unable to come to a conclusion as which "point" is the best.

Most importantly, just make sure all your group members have a chance to speak. thumbup.gif

Sorry that I can't help you much on this, as my group members mostly try to ensure that I had the chance to speak. We mostly talk about all the points for the discussion and elaborate, then when a member's argument is stronger, then we supported her and concluded on that point.
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Well, for group discussion, you can always conclude by saying : We are unable to come to a conclusion as which "point" is the best.

Most importantly, just make sure all your group members have a chance to speak. thumbup.gif

Sorry that I can't help you much on this, as my group members mostly try to ensure that I had the chance to speak. We mostly talk about all the points for the discussion and elaborate, then when a member's argument is stronger, then we supported her and concluded on that point.
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Yeah, it will all go to waste if only a person or two is talking most of the time. Besides, we are only given the chance to speak for 2-3 minutes and a little longer in Task B for RM100.00 sweat.gif

But sometimes, one of them is adamant to change his point of views in a discussion, and that leads to a deadlock in Task B. But yeah, we still have time left and we will try to practice more if we can after our trials.
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A good day Just Visiting By and fellow yellowpika. I have some questions for you two regarding my upcoming MUET test.

Last week I've received my MUET examination timetables and my Speaking Test will be on 15th October. Now, I've already been assigned to team up with other 3 candidates that are about to sit for the same test with me and that we just started some practices for that test. I've found out that all of my other 3 friends are alright and each person has his own ideas to elaborate their specific points. That's good so far in Task A. But when it comes to Task B(group discussion), most of us are incline to pick up our own points and rehash them again from the previous Task A. Sometimes, I will try to change my choices of points in Task B, but I reckon that some of my friends will solely stick to their own points and defend them till the very end of the discussions. Ergo, we rarely have the chance to conclude our talks based on one specific conclusion as each person has different points of view. So, how do I approach and tell them that they are flexible to shift their choices in Task B ? unsure.gif

And also, I noticed that a friend of mine tends to argue his points and keep on repeating the exact same elaboration if the other 3 of us try to throw some questions on why did he opt for what he stood for. At times, he tends to be speechless and it's as if his conversation and elaboration in Task B comes to a halt if he doesn't know what to convey. I don't blame him as all the 4 of us are using Mandarin as our medium in day to day basis of conversation, and in fact, he has lots of solid ideas and able to converse fluently if given him the chance to speak in a group, unless if we were to discuss in English or BM. So, how do I rectify that? unsure.gif

Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices. notworthy.gif
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For task B, there need not be an agreement. Each member could defend their own points if they wish, and if an agreement could not be reached, just conclude by saying "based on our discussion, we think the best way to (let's say) curb vandalism is to educate people and enforce stricter laws bla bla bla". An agreement is not demanded.

If you're unsure about how to proceed with your point, don't panic, and act normal. Exuding confidence is extremely important as it is an impression. Try to speak as natural as possible.

During practice, try to limit everyone's chance to approximately 2 minutes.

It's just a speaking test, don't freak out over it. =)

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Please help the 4 of us. I know that if I want to achieve a satisfying mark in Speaking component, I will have to find ways to aid them and bring them up. It's not a one man job. Thanks for both of your attention and thoughtful advices.
One word that will change your life — CONTROL. In other words, you must play the role as the chair, which includes coordinating the discussion; ensuring that the meeting is not dominated by a single individual; moving from one issue to the next; ensuring that the necessary decisions are made; not allow the meeting to exceed the time allotted; and seeing that the minutes are kept.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if your friend wants to defend his point. In fact, he doesn't need to defend if three of you don't argue with him in the first place. Keep in mind that Task B is not a debate, just a discussion. The activities in Task B of the Speaking component are very similar to holding a meeting, perhaps less formal. A typical meeting structure is as follows:

• the chair opens the meeting
• the minutes (may refer to Task A) are read
• the agenda is introduced
• first subject introduced
• the chair gives the floor to a participant (clockwise)
• another speaker takes the floor
• the chair keeps order
• the chair moves the discussion to a new point
• the chair directs the discussion
• participants propose new motions
• the chair moves to a vote
• voting occurs
• consensus reached
• any other business dealt with
• meeting closed

The language of formal meetings, particularly the language used by the chair, can be rather stylized. The degree of formality Task B requires depends what matters are being discussed. The language suggestions set out below: icon_idea.gif

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One word that will change your life — CONTROL. In other words, you must play the role as the chair, which includes coordinating the discussion; ensuring that the meeting is not dominated by a single individual; moving from one issue to the next; ensuring that the necessary decisions are made; not allow the meeting to exceed the time allotted; and seeing that the minutes are kept.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if your friend wants to defend his point. In fact, he doesn't need to defend if three of you don't argue with him in the first place. Keep in mind that Task B is not a debate, just a discussion. The activities in Task B of the Speaking component are very similar to holding a meeting, perhaps less formal. A typical meeting structure is as follows:

• the chair opens the meeting
• the minutes (may refer to Task A) are read
• the agenda is introduced
• first subject introduced
• the chair gives the floor to a participant (clockwise)
• another speaker takes the floor
• the chair keeps order
• the chair moves the discussion to a new point
• the chair directs the discussion
• participants propose new motions
• the chair moves to a vote
• voting occurs
• consensus reached
• any other business dealt with
• meeting closed

The language of formal meetings, particularly the language used by the chair, can be rather stylized. The degree of formality Task B requires depends what matters are being discussed. The language suggestions set out below: icon_idea.gif

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Such formality is not required. Treat task B as a casual conversation at a coffee shop. Seriously.

And please DO NOT dominate the discussion. Do not attempt to control the situation. Just try to co-operate and allow natural flow. Don't be a coordinator and tells who should speak next. It's not really nice.

All you need is a smooth co-operation and everything will go well. Mine went very well last time.

Do bear in mind for private candidates, they do not even get to know who their partners are until they sit for the test, and they (mostly) are able to engage in a discussion rather smoothly.




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For task B, there need not be an agreement. Each member could defend their own points if they wish, and if an agreement could not be reached, just conclude by saying "based on our discussion, we think the best way to (let's say) curb vandalism is to educate people and enforce stricter laws bla bla bla". An agreement is not demanded.

If you're unsure about how to proceed with your point, don't panic, and act normal. Exuding confidence is extremely important as it is an impression. Try to speak as natural as possible.

During practice, try to limit everyone's chance to approximately 2 minutes.

It's just a speaking test, don't freak out over it. =)
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Alright, I got that. nod.gif

But about the time-limit during our practice, we often speak rather hastily and sometimes I even noticed that we have already reached to the conclusion of our discussion even before we reach the 8-minutes mark. sweat.gif Anyway, specifically for Task B, did your other 3 friends and you make your own preferences during the 2-minutes preparations before the Task B commenced? I know that we don't necessarily need to conclude on only one point, but my teacher told me that it would be much better if we do so.
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Such formality is not required. Treat task B as a casual conversation at a coffee shop. Seriously.

And please DO NOT dominate the discussion. Do not attempt to control the situation. Just try to co-operate and allow natural flow. Don't be a coordinator and tells who should speak next. It's not really nice.

All you need is a smooth co-operation and everything will go well. Mine went very well last time.

Do bear in mind for private candidates, they do not even get to know who their partners are until they sit for the test, and they (mostly) are able to engage in a discussion rather smoothly.
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For a second there, I though our practices in Task B is quite alright, until I read this post of yours. If you were try to juxtapose our discussions with yours, I dare say that ours are more like an act that has been planned. unsure.gif We are like robots, and quite often that we will keep on rehashing the same old quote to initiate any talks like: ''Candidate B, what do you think about..., Candidate C, do you concur..., How about you Candidate A, do you feel that...''. sweat.gif I feel that if we want to greatly reduce the stress and pressure in our discussion, we ought to change the way we speak and the flow of talks from the start all the way to the conclusion.


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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 14 2014, 11:45 PM)
One word that will change your life — CONTROL. In other words, you must play the role as the chair, which includes coordinating the discussion; ensuring that the meeting is not dominated by a single individual; moving from one issue to the next; ensuring that the necessary decisions are made; not allow the meeting to exceed the time allotted; and seeing that the minutes are kept.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if your friend wants to defend his point. In fact, he doesn't need to defend if three of you don't argue with him in the first place. Keep in mind that Task B is not a debate, just a discussion. The activities in Task B of the Speaking component are very similar to holding a meeting, perhaps less formal. A typical meeting structure is as follows:

• the chair opens the meeting
• the minutes (may refer to Task A) are read
• the agenda is introduced
• first subject introduced
• the chair gives the floor to a participant (clockwise)
• another speaker takes the floor
• the chair keeps order
• the chair moves the discussion to a new point
• the chair directs the discussion
• participants propose new motions
• the chair moves to a vote
• voting occurs
• consensus reached
• any other business dealt with
• meeting closed

The language of formal meetings, particularly the language used by the chair, can be rather stylized. The degree of formality Task B requires depends what matters are being discussed. The language suggestions set out below: icon_idea.gif

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A huge thanks to you, Dr. Fallacy. notworthy.gif But, how do I want to control the discussion in our group and keep the flow of the content in check? unsure.gif

And for example, suppose that candidate A supports his view in a specific point, say, ''Money is indispensable when it comes to...''. If any other 3 candidates try to ask his opinions on why did he choose ''money'' as his point, how should he try to further elaborate his view on the importance of money without keep on rehashing and repeating the exact same point from his brief talk just a while ago? unsure.gif

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But, how do I want to control the discussion in our group and keep the flow of the content in check?
By control, I mean you can learn some clandestine linguistics to increase your persuasive power for good in your MUET, professional and personal life, and NOT dominating the entire 8-minute discussion. The role of controlling the flow of the discussion is to be able to bring someone else to your way of thinking in a very short amount of time with as little resistance as possible to accomplish your goals. Just imagine yourself as the talk show host who displays the qualities that help assert charismatic leadership. Watch The Oprah Winfrey show. happy.gif

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And for example, suppose that candidate A supports his view in a specific point, say, ''Money is indispensable when it comes to...''. If any other 3 candidates try to ask his opinions on why did he choose ''money'' as his point, how should he try to further elaborate his view on the importance of money without keep on rehashing and repeating the exact same point from his brief talk just a while ago?
First, stop asking why to your members. If the other 3 candidates load you with the same “why” questions, how would you respond? You may ask why not ask why; and the answer is because the answer to why is because. No pun intended! sweat.gif When you ask why, you are likely to get reasons rather than recovering any more specific information. The reasons (“Because I love money”) will be on surface level, just like the statement (“Money is indispensable”) that you are challenging. moneyflies.gif

Next, instruct persuade all your members to learn the Toulmin's Model of Argumentation (in 20 minutes). Click here. See some examples in Post #304. You will know exactly “what” to ask to extract specific information about your member's opinion, without forcing him to rehash and repeat the exact same point. icon_idea.gif

If he repeats the same thing, disengage him graciously by asking, “Is this true in everyone's world view?” and then follow up with “To be without some of the things you want is an indispensable part of happiness”. I borrow that quote from Bertrand Russell, the philosopher who came up with the infamous Russell's teapot analogy in discussions concerning the existence of God. (I am not an atheist.) innocent.gif

In The Uses of Argument, first published in 1958, Toulmin presented a model of the “procedural form” of argumentation. This model aims to capture the functional elements (or steps) that can be distinguished in the defense of a standpoint by means of argumentation. According to Toulmin, the procedural form of argumentation is “field-independent,” meaning that the steps that are taken – as they are represented in the model – are always the same, irrespective of the subject that is being discussed. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Alright, I got that.  nod.gif

But about the time-limit during our practice, we often speak rather hastily and sometimes I even noticed that we have already reached to the conclusion of our discussion even before we reach the 8-minutes mark. sweat.gif Anyway, specifically for Task B, did your other 3 friends and you make your own preferences during the 2-minutes preparations before the Task B commenced? I know that we don't necessarily need to conclude on only one point, but my teacher told me that it would be much better if we do so.
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Ya, we made our own preferences during the preparation.

We brought our own watch into the exam location so we could know how long we had spoken.

It doesn't matter if there's no agreement. It's not better to have one, and frankly it is better to not have one.

Reaching a conclusion regarding a subject in a mere 10 minutes discussion is laughable.

Don't worry, all of us didn't reach an agreement, and our MUET were still okay.


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For a second there, I though our practices in Task B is quite alright, until I read this post of yours. If you were try to juxtapose our discussions with yours, I dare say that ours are more like an act that has been planned. unsure.gif  We are like robots, and quite often that we will keep on rehashing the same old quote to initiate any talks like: ''Candidate B, what do you think about..., Candidate C, do you concur..., How about you Candidate A, do you feel that...''. sweat.gif  I feel that if we want to greatly reduce the stress and pressure in our discussion, we ought to change the way we speak and the flow of talks from the start all the way to the conclusion.
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By control, I mean you can learn some clandestine linguistics to increase your persuasive power for good in your MUET, professional and personal life, and NOT dominating the entire 8-minute discussion. The role of controlling the flow of the discussion is to be able to bring someone else to your way of thinking in a very short amount of time with as little resistance as possible to accomplish your goals. Just imagine yourself as the talk show host who displays the qualities that help assert charismatic leadership. Watch The Oprah Winfrey show. happy.gif
First, stop asking why to your members. If the other 3 candidates load you with the same “why” questions, how would you respond? You may ask why not ask why; and the answer is because the answer to why is because. No pun intended! sweat.gif When you ask why, you are likely to get reasons rather than recovering any more specific information. The reasons (“Because I love money”) will be on surface level, just like the statement (“Money is indispensable”) that you are challenging. moneyflies.gif

Next, instruct persuade all your members to learn the Toulmin's Model of Argumentation (in 20 minutes). Click here. See some examples in Post #304. You will know exactly “what” to ask to extract specific information about your member's opinion, without forcing him to rehash and repeat the exact same point. icon_idea.gif

If he repeats the same thing, disengage him graciously by asking, “Is this true in everyone's world view?” and then follow up with “To be without some of the things you want is an indispensable part of happiness”. I borrow that quote from Bertrand Russell, the philosopher who came up with the infamous Russell's teapot analogy in discussions concerning the existence of God. (I am not an atheist.) innocent.gif

In The Uses of Argument, first published in 1958, Toulmin presented a model of the “procedural form” of argumentation. This model aims to capture the functional elements (or steps) that can be distinguished in the defense of a standpoint by means of argumentation. According to Toulmin, the procedural form of argumentation is “field-independent,” meaning that the steps that are taken – as they are represented in the model – are always the same, irrespective of the subject that is being discussed. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Thank you for your help with these thorough explanations. I will try to approach them with your advice and see what we can make out of it.
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Ya, we made our own preferences during the preparation.

We brought our own watch into the exam location so we could know how long we had spoken.

It doesn't matter if there's no agreement. It's not better to have one, and frankly it is better to not have one.

Reaching a conclusion regarding a subject in a mere 10 minutes discussion is laughable.

Don't worry, all of us didn't reach an agreement, and our MUET were still okay.
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Alright, that's convincing enough for me to not think too much about coming up with a ''perfect conclusion'' at the end of the discussion. smile.gif Pardon me though, my friends and I have already been following our teacher's instruction of the ways to discuss in Task B for long enough to the point where we were blinded by the fact that there are other ways that're more flexible and less strenuous that we can utilise. It's not our MUET teacher's faults, she is helpful, but I reckon that we are depending too much on her that we being spoon-fed.
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Alright, that's convincing enough for me to not think too much about coming up with a “perfect conclusion” at the end of the discussion. smile.gif
The “conclusion” means to bring an end to the discussion. It needs not to be pointing who’s right and who’s wrong. If you are quick-witted, you can come up with a metaphor or a philosophical quote that appeal to a larger picture of the topic under discussion. Or else, find a common ground and close with a thought-provoking question, “Isn’t it more important that ...?icon_rolleyes.gif

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Practice makes perfect.
I agree that practice is important, and it’s absolutely necessary to achieve expertise. Naturally, it is easy to talk about in theory, but it’s more fun to talk about in practice. Since we are having a positive discussion to help RED-HAIR-SHANKS, what do you think is the best way to practice? happy.gif
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Critical_Fallacy RED-HAIR-SHANKS, I wonder how you all master english so well. You can even insert some high-standard words while I can't. I need help too for my Speaking and Writing component. As my teacher had assigned a group for me, all of us are from Mandarin-Speaking family, so English is not my (and other 3 members) dominant language. As for group discussion, I just finished my trial for Speaking component, my teacher said that I ended the discussion vaguely. Some of my friends have to retry for the speaking test due to unsatisfactory marks.

In my opinion, the most important thing in speaking is to be able to synchronize with other 3 members and the formality of the language used. Those Malaysian 'slangs' like la, lo should be avoided, which I think is quite difficult as we are using those slangs in our daily lives.
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Critical_Fallacy RED-HAIR-SHANKS, I wonder how you all master english so well. You can even insert some high-standard words while I can't. I need help too for my Speaking and Writing component. As my teacher had assigned a group for me, all of us are from Mandarin-Speaking family, so English is not my (and other 3 members) dominant language. As for group discussion, I just finished my trial for Speaking component, my teacher said that I ended the discussion vaguely. Some of my friends have to retry for the speaking test due to unsatisfactory marks.

In my opinion, the most important thing in speaking is to be able to synchronize with other 3 members and the formality of the language used. Those Malaysian 'slangs' like la, lo should be avoided, which I think is quite difficult as we are using those slangs in our daily lives.
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You are not the only ones from a Mandarin-speaking family, most of my classmates including me are included in that cohort too biggrin.gif . And no, my English is considered a joke as I tend to insert some of the low frequency words out of place, and if I were to compare mine with some of my classmates, it's like comparing an ant with a boot. sweat.gif I'm still learning from fellow seniors here on how to ameliorate my proficiency in English, and I feel a little regret for registering the MUET exam in this November due to the time constraint and preparation towards my first term exam.

Yeah, I can't agree more with you on the usage of Malaysian's slang sweat.gif . Anyway, if you have some suggestions or strategy on how you are able to ace in any components in MUET exams, feel free to share them up in here. notworthy.gif
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In my opinion, the most important thing in speaking is to be able to synchronize with other 3 members and the formality of the language used.
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Anyway, if you have some suggestions or strategy on how you are able to ace in any components in MUET exams, feel free to share them up in here.
Master a wide variety of language functions and use effective rhetorical strategies of repetition, including anaphora, antithesis, chiasmus, and parallelism. Just like 《獨孤九劍》, once the essence of the linguistics is grasped, the speaker can use it in endless forms and variations 《千變萬化》.

Here is a list of common language functions (elementary level):

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I agree that practice is important, and it’s absolutely necessary to achieve expertise. Naturally, it is easy to talk about in theory, but it’s more fun to talk about in practice. Since we are having a positive discussion to help RED-HAIR-SHANKS, what do you think is the best way to practice? happy.gif
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I think all we could do is to give plenty of suggestions. The rest will depend on whether they are willing to put in efforts (to relax, for example). smile.gif

QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 15 2014, 09:29 PM)
Critical_Fallacy RED-HAIR-SHANKS, I wonder how you all master english so well. You can even insert some high-standard words while I can't. I need help too for my Speaking and Writing component. As my teacher had assigned a group for me, all of us are from Mandarin-Speaking family, so English is not my (and other 3 members) dominant language. As for group discussion, I just finished my trial for Speaking component, my teacher said that I ended the discussion vaguely. Some of my friends have to retry for the speaking test due to unsatisfactory marks.

In my opinion, the most important thing in speaking is to be able to synchronize with other 3 members and the formality of the language used. Those Malaysian 'slangs' like la, lo should be avoided, which I think is quite difficult as we are using those slangs in our daily lives.
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Hei, I'm also from a Mandarin-speaking family but, while I admit my English ain't very good, my English is sufficiently good enough for me to communicate with people, and I think that's all that matters.

When you are learning a language, depth does not matter. Skill does. Being able to write creatively and flawlessly is more impressive than being able to use a lot of bombastic words.

Which is why I prefer American novel much more than Singaporean's (etc TSGH). Just read American novels like Nicholas Spark's or Chris Carter's, they all could write absorbing novels without using many bombastic words because they could write and that's because they have skills! biggrin.gif

But yes, if you could insert high-standard words and write skillfully, it would be the best combination!

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 15 2014, 10:45 PM)
Master a wide variety of language functions and use effective rhetorical strategies of repetition, including anaphora, antithesis, chiasmus, and parallelism. Just like 《獨孤九劍》, once the essence of the linguistics is grasped, the speaker can use it in endless forms and variations 《千變萬化》.

Here is a list of common language functions (elementary level):

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Thank you so much ! thumbup.gif I bet this along the Toulmin's Model of Argumentation will be a powerful arsenal for my classmates and me once we've learned on mastering them. flex.gif
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Someone have the sample of introduction or completed mathematics T coursework for sem 1?
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Someone have the sample of introduction or completed mathematics T coursework for sem 1?
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you still not yet finished ?

are you stuck in doing your coursework?
mind to share to us your problems? :)

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Not yet.. Only introduction left.. My teacher rejected my intro a few time.. :(.. How to do it??
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Not yet.. Only introduction left.. My teacher rejected my intro a few time.. sad.gif.. How to do it??
Show us your introduction for review. We'll see what you can do to increase the acceptance rate. icon_rolleyes.gif

DO it NOW...
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Greetings, fellow comrades.

Sorry for my brief intro out here, but may I know when is your trial examination's date? I'd like to get your PA and Chemistry trial papers. Thank you.
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Remove the 2nd and the 3rd paragraphs. Check out the information at these sites. icon_idea.gif

(1) http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/

(2) http://www.who.int/topics/malaria/en/

(3) http://www.malarianomore.org/pages/what-is-malaria

(4) http://www.malaria.org/
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So the introduction is all about malaria?? We.dont have to i introduce the problem or what this coursework about?
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So the introduction is all about malaria?? We.dont have to i introduce the problem or what this coursework about?
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Just give a brief introduction about malaria, why it is picked as a subject of interest (e.g. the rising case of cases in Malaysia), and then briefly outline what the coursework is about. You don't have to go to the specifics, like, explaining what question 1 and question 2 is about etc...

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how to do methodology ? pls help me . i need to submit by tomorrow shakehead.gif
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one more .. what is the tittle ? can anyone suggest me a tittle
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how to do methodology ? pls help me . i need to submit by tomorrow shakehead.gif
What did your teacher tell you to do about Methodology? I know this answering this isn't helping at the last minute. Perhaps you will find something useful on pp. 6-8 in this thread. happy.gif
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My Title: The Effectiveness of Quinine in treating Malaria using Mathematical Concept

Is it too weird? hmm.gif
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What did your teacher tell you to do about Methodology? I know this answering this isn't helping at the last minute. Perhaps you will find something useful on pp. 6-8 in this thread. happy.gif
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Sorry Critical_Fallacy, I used your maths modelling technique in pp6-8, but sad to say, my teacher rejected it and said 'I don't even understand what you are writing about' . cry.gif She said either I redo, or she will give me a very low mark on that section. hmm.gif Maybe not everyone understands that as it involves exponential functions.

How do I write for the methodology? Well, I just explain how I find the values for each task given. Like a table is constructed and a graph is plotted,and what formula is used to determine the dosage of quinine, and blah blah blah rolleyes.gif


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Greetings, fellow comrades.

Sorry for my brief intro out here, but may I know when is your trial examination's date? I'd like to get your PA and Chemistry trial papers. Thank you.
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Are you taking physics? When is your trial Exam? Mine starts on 29th September shakehead.gif The earliest among all schools in Malacca (and Maybe in Malaysia?)

If you don't mind, can you share with me your trial exam papers? laugh.gif
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Sorry Critical_Fallacy, I used your maths modelling technique in pp6-8, but sad to say, my teacher rejected it and said 'I don't even understand what you are writing about'. She said either I redo, or she will give me a very low mark on that section. Maybe not everyone understands that as it involves exponential functions.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's rather surprising that a qualified Math teacher doesn't understand the exponential functions in modeling. hmm.gif If I were the Ministry of Education, she'll be fired. sweat.gif

Well, you should make a pitch before allowing her to reject. The exponential concept is very simple. Does your teacher take her meals in a day regularly? Why does she do that? Because she gets hungry? Ask her, how many hours after taking a meal does she start to feel hungry? In fact, our blood sugar level can affect how hungry and how energetic we feel. We feel hungry because our blood sugar level is dropping below a certain “hungry” level. Taking foods with carbohydrates will raise our blood sugar level above the “hungry” level.

If you ask her to plot the blood sugar level, what will it look like? icon_rolleyes.gif

Does the blood sugar stay consistent at a certain level?

The plot should look like a capacitor charging and discharging. icon_idea.gif
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he just give a brief explanation which i don't understand at all . my methodology will be rejected tomorrow . how pity i am ~
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he just give a brief explanation which i don't understand at all.
Then tell me what he briefed you about methodology. Maybe I'll understand. icon_idea.gif
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he said don't write the formula . just give some explanation . and i don't understand what is that ''explanation''
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My Title: The Effectiveness of Quinine in treating Malaria using Mathematical Concept

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no , it sounds good except for the mathematical concept biggrin.gif
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he said don't write the formula . just give some explanation . and i don't understand what is that ''explanation''
My title is Prescribing Quinine Dosage for Effective Malaria Treatment.

The methodology begins with...

The problem of how much of the Quinine dosage to prescribe to a Malaria patient and how often the dosage should be administered is an important issue in pharmacology. The first wife of Tunku Abdul Rahman, Lady Chong Ah Mei contracted malaria after she gave birth to her second child and died from a medical blunder, an injection of undiluted quinine. For most drugs, there is a concentration below which the drug is ineffective and a concentration above which the drug is dangerous.

then continue with the following

- Problem Identification

- Assumptions

- Model for the elimination of the Quinine from the bloodstream

- Model for how it increases again when the Quinine is administered

- Model for Quinine accumulation with repeated doses

- Determining the Dose Schedule

- Verifying the Model using patients with different weights
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 20 2014, 07:56 PM)
My title is Prescribing Quinine Dosage for Effective Malaria Treatment.

The methodology begins with...

The problem of how much of the Quinine dosage to prescribe to a Malaria patient and how often the dosage should be administered is an important issue in pharmacology. The first wife of Tunku Abdul Rahman, Lady Chong Ah Mei contracted malaria after she gave birth to her second child and died from a medical blunder, an injection of undiluted quinine. For most drugs, there is a concentration below which the drug is ineffective and a concentration above which the drug is dangerous.

then continue with the following

- Problem Identification

- Assumptions

- Model for the elimination of the Quinine from the bloodstream

- Model for how it increases again when the Quinine is administered

- Model for Quinine accumulation with repeated doses

- Determining the Dose Schedule

- Verifying the Model using patients with different weights
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wow thank you very much . but then we don't have to say anything about the formula ? or how we find the calculation ?
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wow thank you very much . but then we don't have to say anything about the  formula ? or how we find the calculation ?
Show the Methodology structure to your Math teacher and ask if he accepts it or not. wink.gif
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Show the Methodology structure to your Math teacher and ask if he accepts it or not. wink.gif
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I'm an STPM 2013 graduate and I'll be very happy to assist, and we have lots of seniors and current STPM students here to share any information or knowledge we have.


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Just Visiting By Did your teacher teach you how to differentiate between 'masalah' and 'kesan buruk' in writing PA essay? I am very confused between these two.
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Just Visiting By Did your teacher teach you how to differentiate between 'masalah' and 'kesan buruk' in writing PA essay? I am very confused between these two.
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No, but I think they are very close.

Kesan buruk is a subset of masalah I guess.

Masalah means 'complications/problems" while kesan buruk means "negative impacts".

Can you give some examples you have problems with? haha
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Feel free to ask any questions here, or vent any frustrations here. haha

I'm an STPM 2013 graduate and I'll be very happy to assist, and we have lots of seniors and current STPM students here to share any information or knowledge we have.
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Will do .. Thanks ☺️☺️

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You guys can find Maths (T) last year trial paper with answer scheme here

http://knsmaths.blogspot.com/p/mathematics...ower-6.html?m=1

Hope it will be beneficial .
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No, but I think they are very close.

Kesan buruk is a subset of masalah I guess.

Masalah means 'complications/problems" while kesan buruk means "negative impacts".

Can you give some examples you have problems with? haha
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Example 1:
Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan. Banyak kesan yang mungkin timbul akibat urus niaga melalui sistem elektronik ini. Bincangkan.

There are kesan baik and buruk, but im mentioning the kesan buruk only:
1. Berlaku penipuan dan penyelewengan
2. Produk yang dibeli tidak sama kualitinya
3. Gangguan dalam talian
4. Wujud persaingan yang hebat antara syarikat tempatan dan syarikat antarabangsa

If the question is asking masalah yang dihadapi:
1. Perkhidmatan tidak menyeluruh

Can I relate the 4 kesan buruk with masalah? My teacher said that it cannot be accepted if it is elaborated elseway.
Then, how to elaborate so that the isi shows 'kesan buruk' or 'masalah'?

Example 2:
Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

So how to identify the 'kata kunci' of the essay question and what is the answer combination?
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I was thinking: When we know that the first sentence of the question will give us a clue on kata kunci soalan and when the first sentence is just a description and can be ignored? rclxub.gif

And I screwed badly for this essay and ALL MY POINTS ARE CONSIDERED 'TIDAK RELEVAN'. shakehead.gif ohmy.gif

My isi (only masalah):
1. Kesihatan manusia terjejas
2. Bekalan makanan manusia berkurang
3. Keadaan dunia menjadi huru-hara
4. Berlaku ketidakseimbangan ekosistem
5. Hidupan akuatik diancam

Can you tell me why these points are TOTALLY NOT RELEVANT with the question given?

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You guys can find Maths (T) last year trial paper with answer scheme here

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Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

And I screwed badly for this essay and ALL MY POINTS ARE CONSIDERED 'TIDAK RELEVAN'. shakehead.gif  ohmy.gif

My isi (only masalah):
1. Kesihatan manusia terjejas
2. Bekalan makanan manusia berkurang
3. Keadaan dunia menjadi huru-hara
4. Berlaku ketidakseimbangan ekosistem
5. Hidupan akuatik diancam

Can you tell me why these points are TOTALLY NOT RELEVANT with the question given?
Rather than saying they are irrelevant, I'm afraid to say that all your 5 points are insignificant. Your points are probably relevant to the problems, but they are least relevant to the solutions required. Let's localize the issue and table it as an agenda in the Parliament for discussion.

Mengikut Laporan Jabatan Bekalan Air, sejak tahun 2000-an, bekalan air bersih di Selangor didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

The main problem is clearly about the Clean Water Crisis. The purpose of the discussion is obviously to find viable solutions to the Clean Water Crisis. Mitigating your 5 sub-problems, however, does not solve the Clean Water Crisis.

1. improve healthcare quality
2. increase agricultural productivity
3. increase safety measures
4. rebalance the ecosystem
5. protect marine life

The more relevant approach is to bring up some issues that contribute to the Clean Water Crisis. So, first things first, you need to understand, What does Clean Water Crisis really mean?

Walaupun jumlah air tawar di Bumi tidak mempunyai perubahan dari masa ke masa dan ia terus dikitar semula melalui atmosfera, populasi penduduk dunia telah meletup. Ini bermakna setiap tahun, persaingan untuk mendapatkan bekalan air yang bersih and cukup untuk minum, memasak, mandi, dan kehidupan harian semakin bertambah.

Air tawar merupakan sebahagian kecil daripada semua air di Bumi. Walaupun hampir 70 peratus daripada dunia diliputi oleh air, hanya 2.5 peratus daripada jumlah itu adalah tawar. Selebihnya adalah masin dan berasaskan laut. Namun begitu, hanya 1 peratus sahaja daripada air tawar itu mudah didapati, dengan kebanyakannya terperangkap dalam glasier dan salji. Hakikatnya, hanya terdapat 0.007 peratus air di Bumi boleh diguna untuk menampung kehidupan 6.8 bilion penduduknya.

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Example 2:
Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

We did this exact same question in class but like you, I thought the question only ask for masalah. And my teacher said the same thing which is Punca + Masalah. But between the two sentences in the question, we have 'Hal ini disebabkan oleh beberapa punca.' Not sure if my teacher added it in himself or it was originally in the question.

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I was thinking: When we know that the first sentence of the question will give us a clue on kata kunci soalan and when the first sentence is just a description and can be ignored?  rclxub.gif

I want to know too.

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The main problem is clearly about the Clean Water Crisis. The purpose of the discussion is obviously to find viable solutions to the Clean Water Crisis. Mitigating your 5 sub-problems, however, does not solve the Clean Water Crisis.

The question is asking for both punca and masalah. But what scgoh gave are points relating to the masalah as in effects of the crisis on humans and the environment rather than the causes of the crisis itself. That means those 5 points are not 5 sub-problems which needs to be mitigated but are 5 effects caused by the water crisis. Hope I'm not getting confused myself lol.

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Example 1:
Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan. Banyak kesan yang mungkin timbul akibat urus niaga melalui sistem elektronik ini. Bincangkan.

There are kesan baik and buruk, but im mentioning the kesan buruk only:
1. Berlaku penipuan dan penyelewengan
2. Produk yang dibeli tidak sama kualitinya
3. Gangguan dalam talian
4. Wujud persaingan yang hebat antara syarikat tempatan dan syarikat antarabangsa

If the question is asking masalah yang dihadapi:
1. Perkhidmatan tidak menyeluruh

Can I relate the 4 kesan buruk with masalah? My teacher said that it cannot be accepted if it is elaborated elseway.
Then, how to elaborate so that the isi shows 'kesan buruk' or 'masalah'?

Example 2:
Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

So how to identify the 'kata kunci' of the essay question and what is the answer combination?
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I was thinking: When we know that the first sentence of the question will give us a clue on kata kunci soalan and when the first sentence is just a description and can be ignored?  rclxub.gif

And I screwed badly for this essay and ALL MY POINTS ARE CONSIDERED 'TIDAK RELEVAN'. shakehead.gif  ohmy.gif

My isi (only masalah):
1. Kesihatan manusia terjejas
2. Bekalan makanan manusia berkurang
3. Keadaan dunia menjadi huru-hara
4. Berlaku ketidakseimbangan ekosistem
5. Hidupan akuatik diancam

Can you tell me why these points are TOTALLY NOT RELEVANT with the question given?
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Umm....I'm sorry but I personally think there's no difference between 'masalah' and 'kesan buruk' for these two examples.

But I've not touch PA for almost a year, so I can't give an accurate answer. Sorry.

Anyway, regarding isu 2, there's actually two facts you need to discuss.

Normally if the question contains 2 sentences, then you have to be careful. The first one may seem negligible but it usually is a topic you need to discuss.


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I want to know too.
Could you explain 5+0, 3+2,... ? unsure.gif
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5+0 means for the essay, there should be 5 points on topic A, and 0 points on topic B.

3+2 means for the essay, there should be 3 points on topic A, and 2 points on topic B. It can be either 3+2, or 2+3, depending on the individual choice but he must write at least 2 points on each topic.




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5+0 means for the essay, there should be 5 points on topic A, and 0 points on topic B.

3+2 means for the essay, there should be 3 points on topic A, and 2 points on topic B. It can be either 3+2, or 2+3, depending on the individual choice but he must write at least 2 points on each topic.
Does the Student have to complete both topics? unsure.gif
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If the essay asks the students to discuss two topics, then the students are required to write their essay in 3+2 format.

Yes, the student must complete both topics.

This is where most students have problems with. Normally, one topic is very obvious, while the other one may exist or may not exist, but if it exists, it normally is seemingly negligible.

For example, this topic:
"Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan."

There are two topics to discuss
1) first topic in first sentence - the students are required to explain why bekalan air dunia semakin berkurangan
2) second topic in second sentence - masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar.

Confusing, ya. But as I've said, if there are two sentences or more in the questions, best to be alert.
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 23 2014, 04:23 PM)
Example 1:
Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan. Banyak kesan yang mungkin timbul akibat urus niaga melalui sistem elektronik ini. Bincangkan.

Example 2:
Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

I was thinking: When we know that the first sentence of the question will give us a clue on kata kunci soalan and when the first sentence is just a description and can be ignored?
After getting the explanations from Just Visiting By, I've modeled this linguistic technique as a general approach to test the water.

Do you feel troubled as if you are emotionally affected by the first sentence of the statement? sad.gif

If you do, then it is either 2+3 or 3+2.

If you don't, then it is plausibly 5+0.

Try this! icon_idea.gif

(1) Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan.

Does online trading “hurt” you?

(2) Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan.

Does clean water crisis “hurt” you?
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P = 5 1
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Q = 1 -1
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P^-1 XP = Q

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Can anyone help me with this question? Find matrix X.
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Sep 23 2014, 04:23 PM)
Example 1:
Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan. Banyak kesan yang mungkin timbul akibat urus niaga melalui sistem elektronik ini. Bincangkan.


Example 2:
Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan. Keadaan ini boleh menimbulkan beberapa masalah kepada manusia dan alam sekitar. Bincangkan.

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You've to learn how to distinguish "ayat penyata/umum" and "ayat soalan". This is what my teacher told me.

For example 1 -

"Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan." doesn't bring any clue that there's "kehendak" in the question. It's merely stating the issue.

While for example 2 -

"Mengikut Laporan UNESCO, sejak tahun 1970-an, bekalan air bersih dunia didapati semakin berkurangan." , there's a "kehendak" in this sentence, which is "didapati semakin berkurang" that indicates you have to answer the "punca-punca yang menyebabkan kedaan ini".

Same thing goes with "masalah ini menjadi semakin serius." You've to answer why (punca/sebab) the issue is getting serious, before answering the second "kehendak soalan".

However, since the example 1 only states "kesan" but not "kesan buruk" or "kesan baik", and there's no any word in the "ayat penyata" leads to negative/positive way, you should write both sides.

So both examples are 2+3 / 3+2.

Hope this helps and feel free to correct me if there's any mistake yawn.gif

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"Perdagangan secara talian kini merupakan satu mekanisme baharu dalam urus niaga tanpa sempadan." doesn't bring any clue that there's "kehendak" in the question. It's merely stating the issue.
“Kehendak” = Needs? unsure.gif
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Are you taking physics? When is your trial Exam? Mine starts on 29th September  shakehead.gif The earliest among all schools in Malacca (and Maybe in Malaysia?)

If you don't mind, can you share with me your trial exam papers? laugh.gif
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Yes, yes I am. My trial commenced on the 22nd Sept. and ended on 25th Sept.

I will post them up here once I get them. Hope you're able to share your trial papers too. Anyway, here's a short recap on my trials exam:

22nd Sept- Mathematics T
-This is one of the most toughest paper that I've gone through so far. I cringed right off the bat after I failed to find the solution to the very first question that pertains to Polynomials. For the question involving Complex numbers for both Section A and B, I only managed to solve a portion of them due to the lack of time. Overall a horrible paper. In Section A, I only managed to completely solve a Matrices question and a few other sub-questions, as well as only a portion of a question in Section B due to time constraint. I'm sure that I will fail this paper, I don't think that I'll even come out with more than 20 marks.

23rd Sept.- Chemistry
-For this paper, I particularly start off with essay and it was fine until I realised I make a blunder or two in it. I had to redo the whole essay and I've already wasted roughly 10 mins for that. Another essay was fine, though I wasn't able to completely do the whole sub-question. As for the structured questions, I failed to answer a question about user posted image. For the second structured section, I only answered one and blanked the rest. As for objective section, I only managed to do 5 questions out of the total 15. Better than the Maths T paper, but, due to some blunders especially in the essay and due to the scarcity of time, I left most of the structured questions undone. I will mostly ended up failing in this paper too.

24th Sept.- Physics
- Just like Chemistry, I did the exact same order: Essay → Structured → Objective. I was able to complete the first essay question regarding uncertainties, but after the exam I realised that I made some errors in the sub-questions, so I lost some marks there. For the second essay question pertaining to Deformation of Solids, I was unable to answer a few sub-questions, but the horrible part was, I made a silly mistake when substituting the wrong values into the Young's modulus. Luckily I was able to noticed that mistake, or otherwise I could have lost 5 marks just like that. I redid it and wasted more time on that.

The second part of the essay was on Kinetic Theory of Gases. I lost tonnes of marks when it comes to defining the equipartition of energy, root-mean-square and another simple Physic terms. I wasn't able to complete several questions in the structured section, and again, I completed only 9 questions total in the objective. The paper was the easiest if compared to Chemistry and Maths T, but due to some mistakes in the essay section and the redoing part which was time consuming, I'm unable to complete most of my objective questions. Overall, it was badly done.

25th Sept.- Pengajian Am
-Structure section was the part where I reckon I can garner more marks. The questions regarding the Kewarganegaraan and Keahlian Dewan Negara was straight-forward. For essay, the only problem that I faced was giving only 4 points(2+2) in the second question. I managed to do only 6 questions in the objective section as I was running out of time. I didn't re-checked on how my essays were, so I might end up losing more marks than I can imagine due to some blunders. Overall, not as bad as Maths T and Chemistry, but I hope that I can get at least a C in this paper.

This is by far my worst performance ever in any of the exams that I have taken since in primary school. I will mostly fail my Maths T and Chemistry. I have no idea on how I'll score in both Physics and PA, but a C or C- for both subjects is all I ask for.

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22nd Sept- Mathematics T
-This is one of the most toughest paper that I've gone through so far. I cringed right off the bat after I failed to find the solution to the very first question that pertains to Polynomials. For the question involving Complex numbers for both Section A and B, I only managed to solve a portion of them due to the lack of time. Overall a horrible paper. In Section A, I only managed to completely solve a Matrices question and a few other sub-questions, as well as only a portion of a question in Section B due to time constraint. I'm sure that I will fail this paper, I don't think that I'll even come out with more than 20 marks.
Can I have a look on the paper? sweat.gif
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Can I have a look on the paper? sweat.gif
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I will post every single STPM trial papers up here once I get my hands on them.

The Maths T paper might be easier for other people though. As for me, I lack enough preparation to face the style of questions posed in it. Some of the questions are not too tough, but we do need to go though lots of intricate calculations in order to solve them.
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I will post every single STPM trial papers up here once I get my hands on them.
Alright! The papers cannot be removed from the exam hall? unsure.gif
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Alright! The papers cannot be removed from the exam hall? unsure.gif
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Usually in school exams teachers will require us to pass up our exam paper along with the answer sheet because otherwise students tend to "forget" to bring the papers/ lose them when teacher finish marking, return our marked answer sheet and want to discuss answers with the class.
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sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin, these are my STPM trial papers.

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Most of them are past year questions, or questions taken from reference books.

I've seen most of them lol.
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Most of them are past year questions, or questions taken from reference books.

I've seen most of them lol.
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Yup, after my trials finished, I was quite shocked too that some questions are directly taken from Oxford Fajar. The questions on determinant and the 3rd question about functions are also directly taken from another school's proficiency exam in year 2012. And I still fare horribly in the trials.


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Yup, after my trials finished, I was quite shocked too that some questions are directly taken from Oxford Fajar. The questions on determinant and the 3rd question about functions are also directly taken from another school's proficiency exam in year 2012. And I still fare horribly in the trials.
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sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin, these are my STPM trial papers.
Let's kick-start the solutions fiesta! rclxms.gif

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Q1(a)

Let

f(x) = x⁴ − 8x² − 8x + k

g(x) = x² + 4x + 5

Perform the Polynomial Long Division

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From the factor theorem, if the polynomial f(x) has a factor g(x), then the remainder is zero.

k − 15 = 0 → k = 15

Q1(b)

We know that f(x) = x⁴ − 8x² − 8x + 15 has two quadratic factors:

g(x) = x² + 4x + 5

h(x) = x² − 4x + 3

Perform the Quadratic Discriminant Analysis

for g(x): b² – 4ac = 4² – 4(5) = –4

g(x) has no real roots and its graph lies strictly above the x-axis.

for h(x): b² – 4ac = (–4)² – 4(3) = 4

h(x) has two distinct real roots and its graph is the parabola opens upward (because a > 0).

Find the roots of h(x)

x = –(–4)/2 ± √4 → x₁ = 1 and x₂ = 3

Because the parabola h(x) opens upward, the range of values of x for which f(x) > 0 is

x < 1 and x > 3

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sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin, these are my STPM trial papers.
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Let the polynomial f(z) = z³ + mz² + nz + 10.

Say f(z) has a complex root, z₁ = 2 + i.

Because complex conjugates exist in a pair, the other complex root must be z₂ = 2 − i.

From the complex conjugates, we know f(z) has a quadratic factor:

(z − 2 − i)(z − 2 + i) = z² − 4z + 5

Perform the Polynomial Long Division

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Since z² − 4z + 5 is a factor for f(z), by the factor theorem, the remainder must be zero.

m + 2 = 0 → m = −2

n + 3 = 0 → n = −3

From the long division, the quotient (z + 2) is a linear factor of f(z).

Thus, the third root of f(z) is z₃ = −2.
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1998-2004: Longman, included in Revision Exercise of all chapters

2005-2010: Oxford Fajar.

2011-2014 (P1): Pelangi
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I will try to find some time to upload all of the complete answers, calculations for the structure and essay, as well as explanation to some questions mainly in objective part(Section A) for both Chemistry and Physics.

P/S: For those of you here that are taking Biology, please bear with me. I will try to get them as soon as possible(might be next Thursday or Friday) and upload them up here with answers.
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sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin, these are my STPM trial papers.
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Interval of Convergence

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Because

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Therefore, the sum to infinity is

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sagethesausage, scgoh123 and BlueMuffin, these are my STPM trial papers.
Which question do you have trouble with? Did you pick this question?

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Q7(a)

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Modulus, r = 0.5 and Principal argument, θ = 5π/6 rad = 150°

Q7(b)

Let z² = x. Thus,

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The first two roots

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The other four roots

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Which question do you have trouble with? Did you pick this question?
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Yes, but I only managed to do it halfway, and even then, I got nil for that question due to careless calculations. Thank you very much for that solution.

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scgoh123, these are the answers for my Physics trials.

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P/S: For the question 5 in objective section, there are no answers available out of the 4 choices(You have to solve it your on own). As for the answer for question 15 in objective section, it is D.

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scgoh123, sagethesausage and BlueMuffin, these are the answers and solutions for each question in my Chemistry trial exams that I posted up here.

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For all subjects:

1998-2004: Longman, included in Revision Exercise of all chapters

2005-2010: Oxford Fajar.

2011-2014 (P1): Pelangi
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This is a set of answer for Section A and B for my trials exam PA that I posted up here days ago.

Pengajian Am

Section A

1.C 4.C 7.C 10.C 13.B

2.D 5.A 8.B 11.C 14.A

3.B 6.C 9.B 12.C 15.C


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16.
(i). Penasihat undang-undang negeri

(ii). Pegawai kewangan negeri

(iii). Setiausaha kerajaan negeri


17.(a)
(i). Tidak boleh melibatkan diri dalam bidang ekonomi

(ii). Tidak boleh mempunyai jawatan bergaji

(iii). Tidak boleh menjalankan tugasnya sebagai raja negeri/ Tidak boleh meninggalkan persekutuan tanpa persetujuan Majlis Raja-Raja kecuali atas urusan rasmi

P/S: For question 17, you should include the words ''Tidak boleh'' at the beginning of each of your answers. This is because the question wants us to explicitly state out perkara yang tidak boleh...

17.(b)
(i). Tugas-tugasnya sebagai ketua agama Islam

(ii). Baginda meminda perlembagaan/undang-undang negerinya

18.
(i). Berumur 31 tahun dan ke atas

(ii). Waras akal fikirannya

(iii). Bukan seorang muflis

(iv). Warganegara Malaysia

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(i). Dia berhak meminta habeas corpus

(ii). Dia berhak diberi penjelasan tentang kesalahannya

(iii). Dia berhak meminta pembelaan melalui peguam

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These are the answers(only up to number 5) for my Mathematics T trial paper that I posted up here in the previous page.

Mathematics T(Final Answers)

1.
a)k=15
b){x:x<1}U{x:x>3}

2.
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user posted image

3.
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b)user posted image,user posted image
c)user posted image,user posted image

4.
(a)user posted image

5.
m==-2, n=-3
The other roots are 2-i,-2

I will post the remaining answers up here next time, if I could. And starting from today, I won't be dropping by at this thread more often.

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RED-HAIR-SHANKS My trial exam commenced on 29th September, and ended on 3rd October. Since your school started earlier, then I can deduce a simple conclusion that my school is the earliest in MALACCA.

Okay here's my experience:
1st Day: Pengajian Am
Everything was alright, but when it comes to essay, OH MY GOODNESS!!! After the test, I only realised that I have answered WRONGLY for one of the essay!!!!!!! 20+ marks flew away just like that....... BTW I passed the paper, although the marks is like.........s**t cry.gif

2nd Day: Chemistry
I started out with essay, then structured, then only objective. The toughest part is the objective question!!!! I left blank for one of it and 2 or 3 questions I just simply guess based on my common sense. I wondered how I screwed up my paper........ shakehead.gif

3rd Day: MUET
The most relaxing day!!! Nothing to say much, the questions are quite okay, as It's MUET March 2014 paper. cool2.gif

4th Day: Physics
As usual, Essay-Structured-Objective. Again, the toughest is the objective. And worst of the all, I caught a heavy flu during the exam!! Can you imagine how you answered the questions with a dizzy mind and endless mucus flowing out from your nose? rclxub.gif But I just hope that I did not make any careless mistakes anymore.....

5th Day: MATHS
Well, I have learnt my lesson from the previous monthly exam. I have studied hard especially for this subject. I tackled the question with a calm mind, starting from section B. Please, just hope that I won't repeat the same mistake anymore....... bruce.gif

Anyway. Do you know that your paper for all the subjects is much more EASIER compared to mine? When you said you screwed up your maths paper, I glanced at the question, it's just...a piece of cake compared to mine. Especially the first question is polynomials. Compared to mine, the first question is about exponential functions. And frankly speaking, I think that the only difficult question is Q6. shocking.gif

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Can any form six passer-by share your school trial paper here? Sharing is caring, your help is appreciated.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Oct 4 2014, 02:08 PM)
This is a set of answer for Section A and B for my trials exam PA that I posted up here days ago.

Pengajian Am

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(ii). Dia berhak diberi penjelasan tentang kesalahannya

(iii). Dia berhak meminta pembelaan melalui peguam
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Oh this is the answer? I wrote this, and teacher penalized me cry.gif

I had the similiar question as you, and she said 'not detail enough for me to give you marks', because you didn't include '...jika didapati penangkapan tidak sah' mad.gif
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Hi, I am from Klang High School taking form 6. I have accounts, mathematics m, ekonomi, P.A.!!! My trial's is on my birthday that is on 13 October 2014. i am very sad. i iwll post the questions once its is over.

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Hi I want to ask a question. Sorry if it sounds simple but I'm quite bad at maths actually.

Are these two equations equal? When x=3, why does one produce a error in the calculator while the other is 0? Are the graphs equal? Thank you so much!


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Hi I want to ask a question. Sorry if it sounds simple but I'm quite bad at maths actually.

Are these two equations equal? When x=3, why does one produce a error in the calculator while the other is 0? Are the graphs equal? Thank you so much!
For user posted image, the function can be rewritten as

user posted image

The function f(x) is essentially a straight line except that there is a discontinuity at x = 3. The graph looks like this:

user posted image

In simple words, the function f(x) breaks down at x = 3 due to Division by ZERO.

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 10 2014, 03:31 PM)
For user posted image, the plot looks like this:

user posted image

Because there is a discontinuity at x = 3, the function f(x) displays strong nonlinearity behavior as x → 3. In simple words, the functions f(x) breaks down as x → 3 due to Division by ZERO.

Did your primary teacher cover the topic Division by Zero in UPSR? unsure.gif
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Yea, because division by zero is undefined. then can I simplify the equation to x-3 and get the answer as 0?
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Yea, because division by zero is undefined. then can I simplify the equation to x-3 and get the answer as 0?
This is where you are confused. sweat.gif

What theorem permits you to algebraically simplify an expression by division?

Please refer to your math textbooks (UPSR, PMR, SPM, STPM, A-level).
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... and get the answer as 0?
Answer to what problem as 0? Please show me. unsure.gif
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Answer to what problem as 0? Please show me. unsure.gif
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You mean it doesn't work this way? Btw im so sorry. I need to seriously brush up my maths. And im already in F6  cry.gif
You don't have a reason make y equals to 0. Look at the following theorem. It is known as the Euclidean Division Theorem.

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I am going to share some Trial papers for Physics:

Attached File  STPM_TRIAL_2013_P1_3_NILAI.zip ( 1.03mb ) Number of downloads: 45
Attached File  STPM_2014_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 449.52k ) Number of downloads: 41
Attached File  STPM_2013_TRIAL_P1_NS_QUESTION.pdf ( 375.14k ) Number of downloads: 33



This is my school's paper:
Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION.pdf ( 599.53k ) Number of downloads: 56

Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 711.86k ) Number of downloads: 37


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You don't have a reason make y equals to 0. Look at the following theorem. It is known as the Euclidean Division Theorem.

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Will try to digest it, I guess. Thank you  smile.gif
The Division Theorem is prequel to the Remainder Theorem (you learned in STPM). icon_idea.gif
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The Division Theorem is prequel to the Remainder Theorem (you learned in STPM). icon_idea.gif
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Yea, I do learn it in Math M. Failed that paper though lol. See if I can make up for it in the ulangan paper.
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I am going to share some Trial papers for Physics:

Attached File  STPM_TRIAL_2013_P1_3_NILAI.zip ( 1.03mb ) Number of downloads: 45
Attached File  STPM_2014_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 449.52k ) Number of downloads: 41
Attached File  STPM_2013_TRIAL_P1_NS_QUESTION.pdf ( 375.14k ) Number of downloads: 33

This is my school's paper:
Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION.pdf ( 599.53k ) Number of downloads: 56

Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 711.86k ) Number of downloads: 37

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Thanks, I really need them. Anyway, can you upload the other 3 subjects of your trial papers(Maths T, Chemistry,PA) up here as soon as you get them? I really need to try them out.

Oh, for those of you that are taking the MUET speaking test on next week, I wish you the best of luck!
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Thank you Critical_Fallacy and Just Visiting By for helping and giving out some advice regarding the MUET speaking section. Ever since my teammates and I implemented the language functions and the style/techniques that both of you introduced up here in this thread, our practice speaking session has a little bit of an improvement. The conversation has been a little smoother and it's been reassuring knowing on what we would want to speak on that exact moment and where will the conversation leads to.

Even a friend of mine who was stuttering long ago while conversing in English is now even able to occasionally use logical connectors and word linker in some of his sentences. It might not seem much, but it's already considered good enough of an improvement as for me and my teammates.
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Thank you Critical_Fallacy and Just Visiting By for helping and giving out some advice regarding the MUET speaking section. Ever since my teammates and I implemented the language functions and the style/techniques that both of you introduced up here in this thread, our practice speaking session has a little bit of an improvement. The conversation has been a little smoother and it's been reassuring knowing on what we would want to speak on that exact moment and where will the conversation leads to.

Even a friend of mine who was stuttering long ago while conversing in English is now even able to occasionally use logical connectors and word linker in some of his sentences. It might not seem much, but it's already considered good enough of an improvement as for me and my teammates.
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Thank you Critical_Fallacy and Just Visiting By for helping and giving out some advice regarding the MUET speaking section. Ever since my teammates and I implemented the language functions and the style/techniques that both of you introduced up here in this thread, our practice speaking session has a little bit of an improvement. The conversation has been a little smoother and it's been reassuring knowing on what we would want to speak on that exact moment and where will the conversation leads to.

Even a friend of mine who was stuttering long ago while conversing in English is now even able to occasionally use logical connectors and word linker in some of his sentences. It might not seem much, but it's already considered good enough of an improvement as for me and my teammates.
That's a good thing to hear. Keep practicing and they will never look at themselves quite the same way! icon_idea.gif
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Critical_Fallacy, I have a question to ask.

Question: Two objects user posted image and user posted image of the same mass revolve round a planet in the same circular orbit, but in the opposite direction. When user posted image and user posted image collide and combine, what is the subsequent motion of the combined mass?

-From the above keywords, which is collide and combine, I know that this will surely be involving the principle of momentum, where the momentum of of a combination of 2 objects will be zero. But, why the answer for it is D, can you please further enlighten me? unsure.gif

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A: It will remain in the original orbit with the same period of revolution.

B: It will revolve round the planet in a smaller circular orbit.

C: It will move in an elliptical orbit with the centre of mass as one of the focus of the elliptical orbit?

D: It will fall down due to the gravitational field of the planet.(Correct answer)
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Critical_Fallacy, I'm stuck with this question.

Given a series:user posted image, find the nth term,user posted image, of the series and what is the sum of the first n term,user posted image?

I was only able to do it until the second step:

user posted image
=user posted image

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Question: Two objects user posted image and user posted image of the same mass revolve round a planet in the same circular orbit, but in the opposite direction. When user posted image and user posted image collide and combine, what is the subsequent motion of the combined mass?

-From the above keywords, which is collide and combine, I know that this will surely be involving the principle of momentum, where the momentum of of a combination of 2 objects will be zero. But, why the answer for it is D, can you please further enlighten me? unsure.gif

Answers:
A: It will remain in the original orbit with the same period of revolution.

B: It will revolve round the planet in a smaller circular orbit.

C: It will move in an elliptical orbit with the centre of mass as one of the focus of the elliptical orbit?

D: It will fall down due to the gravitational field of the planet.(Correct answer)
The gravitational forces exerted by the Planet on the two satellites hold them in the same orbit but moving in the opposite direction (v and –v) around the Planet. Without thinking any complicated situation, this question is best answered using VECTOR ADDITION. icon_idea.gif

user posted image

When v = 0, then a_θ = 0. Therefore, a = a_R.
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Critical_Fallacy, I'm stuck with this question.

Given a series:user posted image, find the nth term,user posted image, of the series and what is the sum of the first n term,user posted image?

I was only able to do it until the second step:

user posted image
=user posted image
Try this:

user posted image

It looks a kind of arithmetico-geometric sequence. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 14 2014, 03:31 PM)
The gravitational forces exerted by the Planet on the two satellites hold them in the same orbit but moving in the opposite direction (v and –v) around the Planet. Without thinking any complicated situation, this question is best answered using VECTOR ADDITION. icon_idea.gif

user posted image

When v = 0, then a_θ = 0. Therefore, a = a_R.
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So, when the momentum of the combined satellites are zero, it will not be able to resume it's previous circular motion around the planet. However it will be pulled towards the centre of the planet by gravitational forces, which in this case, is user posted image.

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Critical_Fallacy, I have some doubts in Physics that I have to clear off my find.

Question: A vessel contains 2 moles of helium gas,user posted image at 350K. The mixture is heated at constant volume to 400K. Calculate the total internal energy of the mixture at (a)350K and (b)400K.

-The answers for both (a) and (b) is user posted image and user posted image respectively. Where are my mistakes and errors?

My workings:
-(a)T=350K, f=5(since helium consists of diatomic molecules), R=8.31, U=?

-∴ user posted image

-(b)T=400K

-∴ user posted image

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Critical_Fallacy, I have some doubts in Physics that I have to clear off my find.

Question: A vessel contains 2 moles of helium gas,user posted image at 350K. The mixture is heated at constant volume to 400K. Calculate the total internal energy  of the mixture at (a)350K and (b)400K.

-The answers for both (a) and (b) is user posted image and user posted image respectively. Where are my mistakes and errors?

My workings:
-(a)T=350K, f=5(since helium consists of diatomic molecules), R=8.31, U=?

-∴ user posted image

-(b)T=400K

-∴ user posted image
For ideal gases, the calculation for the internal energy is fairly straight forward.

user posted image

An error is detected in the question. Helium (He) is a monatomic gas. Hydrogen (H₂) is a diatomic gas. The given answers cannot be accepted. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Hai.. Can someone help me to solve this question..  Question number 4(complex number)
For Q4a, it is fairly easy to show

user posted image

Please list the relevant formulas for dealing with complex numbers.

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This is my Mathematics M trial question. I am from High School Klang..... smile.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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Someone help me answering this.. My answer is different from the given answer.. I got 0.309 but the answer is 0.38 mole fraction.. Question number 1


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Someone help me answering this.. My answer is different from the given answer.. I got 0.309 but the answer is 0.38 mole fraction..  Question number 1
Please show your workings, so that your peers can comment. wink.gif
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Hello Just Visiting By, I have a question here to you regarding my MUET Speaking test that I took last Wednesday.

You already know that for the MUET speaking test, it consists of 2 sessions(with different questions), and I was in the first sessions. One of my seniors who took the test told us that if either one of the sessions posed an easy question, then the graded band for that question is stricter. In other words, if the question that we get is tougher, then it's easier to get a higher band. How true is that?

My senior informed us that it was the third time she retake the MUET test, and that she could easily tell which is easier and which is harder. And from what I can see, there was no fraudulently whatsoever in her statement. I did checked out with my peers from the second session, and from what I've observed, the questions and even the choices for some candidates are blatantly tougher than the ones that we(first session) had.
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Someone help me answering this.. My answer is different from the given answer.. I got 0.309 but the answer is 0.38 mole fraction..  Question number 1
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Weird, I got 0.309 for the mole fraction of benzene in vapour too. I too would like some clarification for this question. Where is my error? unsure.gif

According to Raoult's law:

Partial pressure of benzene:
user posted image

Partial pressure of methylbenzene:
user posted image

Total pressure,user posted image

∴Mole fraction of benzene in vapour=user posted image

Critical_Fallacy, can you help us? unsure.gif

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Hello Just Visiting By, I have a question here to you regarding my MUET Speaking test that I took last Wednesday.

You already know that for the MUET speaking test, it consists of 2 sessions(with different questions), and I was in the first sessions. One of my seniors who took the test told us that if either one of the sessions posed an easy question, then the graded band for that question is stricter. In other words, if the question that we get is tougher, then it's easier to get a higher band. How true is that?

My senior informed us that it was the third time she retake the MUET test, and that she could easily tell which is easier and which is harder. And from what I can see, there was no fraudulently whatsoever in her statement. I did checked out with my peers from the second session, and from what I've observed, the questions and even the choices for some candidates are blatantly tougher than the ones that we(first session) had.
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I don't know much about that, sorry.

But from what I gathered, I suspect the marker is lenient if the candidates are weak, but strict if the candidates are fluent.

Somehow the marks for Speaking component doesn't actually match between two who have almost equal proficiency.
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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Oct 18 2014, 09:13 PM)
I don't know much about that, sorry.

But from what I gathered, I suspect the marker is lenient if the candidates are weak, but strict if the candidates are fluent.

Somehow the marks for Speaking component doesn't actually match between two who have almost equal proficiency.
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Alright. Dwelling on it won't add up my MUET marks, besides, I still have reading and writing which I reckon are much more crucial than speaking alone.

And thank you again for guiding my teammates and I for our speaking preparations. Even though we did have some trouble conveying our thoughts and points during Task B, it nevertheless went quite alright. Our weekly training did ameliorate our speaking proficiency in the long run.

After we did our Speaking test, one of my teammates(Candidate B) personally told me that he was able to quickly come up with new points and elaboration in his mind and spoke it out naturally without even the need to jot them down in black and white. While previously when in class, he can't even able to speak without the help of notes by his side and even when he has them, he would just literally read them out aloud. It has become a second nature to him already since we did our training. flex.gif


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Weird, I got 0.309 for the mole fraction of benzene in vapour too. I too would like some clarification for this question. Where is my error? unsure.gif

According to Raoult's law:

Partial pressure of benzene:
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Partial pressure of methylbenzene:
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Total pressure,user posted image

∴Mole fraction of benzene in vapour=user posted image

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Weird, I got 0.309 for the mole fraction of benzene in vapour too. I too would like some clarification for this question.
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i got the same answer too, there is a huge possibility that the answers given may be wrong unsure.gif
I think the answer in the textbook may be wrong. sweat.gif
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can anyone help me with this?
What you need to show is that the gravity g decreases with altitude h as one rises above the Earth's surface because W ∝ 1/r². From that, you can find the relationship between the gravity g at altitude h and the surface gravity g₀ (h = 0).

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A mathematically intuitive physicist will do this, but you can skip this step if you want.

user posted image

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The next stage is to determine the altitude that yields the percent error, δ = 1%, or the relative error, η = 0.01.

The formula for relative error η is given by

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Applying the formula to the problem, we have

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So, writing the result correct to 1 significant figure

h = 30 km
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Alright. Dwelling on it won't add up my MUET marks, besides, I still have reading and writing which I reckon are much more crucial than speaking alone.

And thank you again for guiding my teammates and I for our speaking preparations. Even though we did have some trouble conveying our thoughts and points during Task B, it nevertheless went quite alright. Our weekly training did ameliorate our speaking proficiency in the long run.

After we did our Speaking test, one of my teammates(Candidate B) personally told me that he was able to quickly come up with new points and elaboration in his mind and spoke it out naturally without even the need to jot them down in black and white. While previously when in class, he can't even able to speak without the help of notes by his side and even when he has them, he would just literally read them out aloud. It has become a second nature to him already since we did our training. flex.gif
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What you need to show is that the gravity g decreases with altitude h as one rises above the Earth's surface because W ∝ 1/r². From that, you can find the relationship between the gravity g at altitude h and the surface gravity g₀ (h = 0).

user posted image

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A mathematically intuitive physicist will do this, but you can skip this step if you want.

user posted image

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The next stage is to determine the altitude that yields the percent error, δ = 1%, or the relative error, η = 0.01.

The formula for relative error η is given by

user posted image

Applying the formula to the problem, we have

user posted image

So, writing the result correct to 1 significant figure

h = 30 km
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QUOTE(scgoh123 @ Oct 22 2014, 05:21 PM)
Writing is mostly my main concern now. Whereas for Reading, it all boils down on my capabilities in interpreting each question and analysing the choices that I have, sometimes I lose plenty of marks due to careless mistakes.

So, how was your speaking test going for you?
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Writing is mostly my main concern now. Whereas for Reading, it all boils down on my capabilities in interpreting each question and analysing the choices that I have, sometimes I lose plenty of marks due to careless mistakes.

So, how was your speaking test going for you?
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By the way, I have undergone certain trials and my overall grade for Speaking was only 24 out of 45! Terrible isn't it? Luckily I did not take MUET exam this time. I think when comes to speaking, i will get panic and nervous easily because I am not used to speak in front of people. My writing sucks too. 51/90.

How do you ”squeeze" out those uncommonly used phrasal words? I am eager to know.

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I am going to share some Trial papers for Physics:

Attached File  STPM_TRIAL_2013_P1_3_NILAI.zip ( 1.03mb ) Number of downloads: 45
Attached File  STPM_2014_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 449.52k ) Number of downloads: 41
Attached File  STPM_2013_TRIAL_P1_NS_QUESTION.pdf ( 375.14k ) Number of downloads: 33

This is my school's paper:
Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION.pdf ( 599.53k ) Number of downloads: 56

Attached File  STPM_2015_TERM_1_TRIAL_EXAM_QUESTION_MARKING_SCHEME.pdf ( 711.86k ) Number of downloads: 37

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However , there's no answer for the objective questions of your school trial paper. Would you kindly please upload them for me ?

Thank you so much , it's really helpful!
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As for the first part, cool2.gif
Firstly, you should know the formula to calculate the concentration of OH- ions.
Secondly, the concentration of aqueous ammonia varies with volume so you should take note of that.

But for second part..... I am not sure.

RED-HAIR-SHANKS Critical_Fallacy Can you please check for me whether my answer is correct or not. hmm.gif
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But for second part..... I am not sure.

RED-HAIR-SHANKS Critical_Fallacy Can you please check for me whether my answer is correct or not.  hmm.gif
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I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure on how to solve the second part of the question too. sweat.gif Perhaps, Bean17 too could clarify this for us.

While we're on it, for the first part of the question, can we use the Henderson−Hasselbalch equations too if given the fact that we know the concentration of the salt and base for that reaction? unsure.gif

Thanks in advance.

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Critical_Fallacy, can you help me with this question?

Question: An object is thrown at an angle to the horizontal with a parabolic trajectory. PQRST is part of the trajectory with P as the starting point and T as the maximum point. If every two adjacent points have the same time interval, hence the displacements PQ, QR, RS, and ST
A: are the same
B: increase at a fixed rate
C: decrease at a fixed rate
D: have the same horizontal component

The answer for it is D.

−I used the formula of s=vt, and I find out that the horizontal displacements,s, for every 2 adjacent points are constant due to the fact that time intervals, t=constant, and the horizontal velocity, v=constant too. But, from the choices above, how do I distinguish the answers between A and D? They carry nearly the same meaning meaning, don't they?

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Critical_Fallacy, can you help me with this question?

Question: An object is thrown at an angle to the horizontal with a parabolic trajectory. PQRST is part of the trajectory with P as the starting point and T as the maximum point. If every two adjacent points have the same time interval, hence the displacements PQ, QR, RS, and ST
A: are the same
B: increase at a fixed rate
C: decrease at a fixed rate
D: have the same horizontal component

The answer for it is D.

−I used the formula of s=vt, and I find out that the horizontal displacements,s, for every 2 adjacent points are constant due to the fact that time intervals, t=constant, and the horizontal velocity, v=constant too. But, from the choices above, how do I distinguish the answers between A and D? They carry nearly the same meaning meaning, don't they?
Displacements are vectors. And you know that the norms |PQ| ≠ |QR| ≠ |RS| ≠ |ST|. This reason alone is suffient to reject (A). icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 23 2014, 05:04 PM)
Displacements are vectors. And you know that the norms |PQ| ≠ |QR| ≠ |RS| ≠ |ST|. This reason alone is suffient to reject (A). icon_idea.gif
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That's it! The difference of direction in any 2 adjacent points should rule out answer A.

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Firstly, you should know the formula to calculate the concentration of OH- ions.
Secondly, the concentration of aqueous ammonia varies with volume so you should take note of that.

But for second part..... I am not sure.

RED-HAIR-SHANKS Critical_Fallacy Can you please check for me whether my answer is correct or not.  hmm.gif
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Firstly, you should know the formula to calculate the concentration of OH- ions.
Secondly, the concentration of aqueous ammonia varies with volume so you should take note of that.

But for second part..... I am not sure.

RED-HAIR-SHANKS Critical_Fallacy Can you please check for me whether my answer is correct or not.  hmm.gif
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When electrolysis 1.00 / 0.1 / 0.01 / 0.001 / 0.0001 mol/dm3 of Potassium Iodide solution, what product I will get for these molar concentration?


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Dear fellow lower 6 students, this is a compilation of Maths T trials from different schools states that I got from Bean17.

*continue in the next post for more Maths T trial papers*

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Attached File  Johor_SMKtinggiKLUANG_MathsT_P1_2015_QA.pdf ( 478.13k ) Number of downloads: 29
Attached File  NSem_KGVseremban_MathsT_P1_2015_QA.pdf ( 507.73k ) Number of downloads: 26
Attached File  Sarawak_TunAbdRazak_MathsT_P1_2015_QA.pdf ( 441.14k ) Number of downloads: 23
Attached File  NSem_StPaulseremban_MathsT_P1_2015_QA.pdf ( 1.79mb ) Number of downloads: 39
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All credits for the contribution of these compilation of Maths T trial papers solely goes to Bean17.

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All credits for the contribution of these compilation of Maths T trial papers solely goes to Bean17.
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If possible, try to get SMK Sultan Ismail Maths (T) paper. Crazy paper, too challenging, but may be interesting to Maths maniac. biggrin.gif
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If possible, try to get SMK Sultan Ismail Maths (T) paper. Crazy paper, too challenging, but may be interesting to Maths maniac.  biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the recommendation, though I think that there isn't much time left for me to complete every single set of trial papers that I can lay my hands on. These are only for Maths T, let alone we have another 3 subjects...

Speaking about maniac, I've did most of the Physics and Chemistry questions from Federal books, and I felt that most Section A questions from said books are extremely crazy compared to the new semester books like Oxford, Longman and Pelangi. I feel like want to puke at the end of the day after completing some of the questions (only SOME questions, not ALL) sweat.gif .

For some reason, whenever I think of any Federal books, I feel like wanna vomit after marathon them at the end of the night. sweat.gif
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Thanks for the recommendation, though I think that there isn't much time left for me to complete every single set of trial papers that I can lay my hands on. These are only for Maths T, let alone we have another 3 subjects...

Speaking about maniac, I've did most of the Physics and Chemistry questions from Federal books, and I felt that most Section A questions from said books are extremely crazy compared to the new semester books like Oxford, Longman and Pelangi. I feel like want to puke at the end of the day after completing some of the questions (only SOME questions, not ALL) sweat.gif .

For some reason, whenever I think of any Federal books, I feel like wanna vomit after marathon them at the end of the night. sweat.gif
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Why go do Federal's? ==

Just do Federal Physics objective and subjective will do. Essay questions are way beyond university level. I am now a first year engineering students using international textbooks and the exercise in it aren't even half the difficulty of the Essay questions. Those questions are 1980s STPM questions that are now no longer required in STPM.

Objective and subjective are also tough but at least doable. Chemistry is okay, not really much tougher. So they're good exercise.

Don't torture yourself lol exam is coming don't give yourself unnecessary pressure.

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Why go do Federal's? ==
But Federal books are the only books (in my opinion) out there currently that are capable of posing a myriad of question that are extremely versatile, and that goes the same to it's toughness level too. Some questions (only SOME) in said books are quite simple to solve, but they do require a high analytical thinking skills as a requisite in order to approach them.

I'm not trying to overlook other STPM book out there like Oxford, Pelangi and Longman. They too have good and concise notes as well as extremely challenging exercises. But, most of the types of questions posed by these books are monotonous, and the patterns are roughly the same with only some minor exceptions. Conversely, when it comes to Federal's, most of them are a tough nut to crack and we are required to twist our brain in order to get the solutions.

I don't really know if I picked the right book or not, but, taking the fact that STPM questions are prepared by university lecturer into account, don't you think that it's quite safe too if we try a much harder level question that are out of the box? unsure.gif
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But Federal books are the only books (in my opinion) out there currently that are capable of posing a myriad of question that are extremely versatile, and that goes the same to it's toughness level too. Some questions (only SOME) in said books are quite simple to solve, but they do require a high analytical thinking skills as a requisite in order to approach them.

I'm not trying to overlook other STPM book out there like Oxford, Pelangi and Longman. They too have good and concise notes as well as extremely challenging exercises. But, most of the types of questions posed by these books are monotonous, and the patterns are roughly the same with only some minor exceptions. Conversely, when it comes to Federal's, most of them are a tough nut to crack and we are required to twist our brain in order to get the solutions.

I don't really know if I picked the right book or not, but, taking the fact that STPM questions are prepared by university lecturer into account, don't you think that it's quite safe too if we try a much harder level question that are out of the box? unsure.gif
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The essay questions in the books are too difficult for STPM students to digest. Objective and subjective are good and encourage critical thinking but essay questions are way beyond what form 6 students could handle. Trying too hard to grasp the questions, according to my experience, would end up with most people wasting their time and still not able to do them in the end because the difficulty level is, as I said, way beyond what form 6 students could handle.

I'm not discouraging trying much harder level questions but I personally believe there's a limit to where you should extend it. Essay questions in Federal are too much. Just do the objective and subjective, they are good enough. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Oct 28 2014, 11:55 PM)
The essay questions in the books are too difficult for STPM students to digest. Objective and subjective are good and encourage critical thinking but essay questions are way beyond what form 6 students could handle. Trying too hard to grasp the questions, according to my experience, would end up with most people wasting their time and still not able to do them in the end because the difficulty level is, as I said, way beyond what form 6 students could handle.

I'm not discouraging trying much harder level questions but I personally believe there's a limit to where you should extend it. Essay questions in Federal are too much. Just do the objective and subjective, they are good enough. smile.gif
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Thanks for your advice and thoughts.
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Thanks for posting all the trial papers, everyone.

I got Sam Tet Ipoh's Maths trial from my friend, but there's no answer for it. If anybody wants it i can scan and post it here

Please post if you guys have Bio or Chemi papers from other states too

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Alright then, I guess I'll have to make some ''minor adjustments'' in my preparation right away. Besides, time is now of the utmost essence and I don't think I have sufficient time to blaze through every exercises that I stumble across.

Thanks for your advice and thoughts.
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You're welcome.

I just do not want to see people making the same mistake a friend of mine did. He over-exerted himself and ended up suffering from minor depression. He got all reference books available did all exercise he could obtain, but because he over-exerted himself he ended up barely scraped the C border. He became withdrawn, didn't communicate with people, spent all his time in school burying himself in his books until one day he drew CH3-CH2-CH2-CH2-CH2 and named it as propane, and when we tried to correct him he became quite surly and irritated and didn't bother us.

And he was fine before he studied form 6.

Don't follow his steps.


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You know, my experience at university so far is kinda humbling. After such a long break from school, I had to start relearning everything and I realise now that I barely understood how most things were derived during my SPM and STPM years, especially when it comes to everything that goes under the Maths umbrella. All just memorise formula ni and rote-learning.

Granted, all that was good enough to excel in exams (because of the way they're structured), but now that I attempt questions that are designed to test your understanding, man, I sometimes question myself if I really deserved my past results haha.

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That's a sample seminar question I got today. Might be basic stuff for you guys, but it was quite a revelation to me to learn how the cumulative distribution function is derived and all the other tidbits my tutor threw in for fun.

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You're welcome.

I just do not want to see people making the same mistake a friend of mine did. He over-exerted himself and ended up suffering from minor depression. He got all reference books available did all exercise he could obtain, but because he over-exerted himself he ended up barely scraped the C border. He became withdrawn, didn't communicate with people, spent all his time in school burying himself in his books until one day he drew CH3-CH2-CH2-CH2-CH2 and named it as propane, and when we tried to correct him he became quite surly and irritated and didn't bother us. 

And he was fine before he studied form 6.

Don't follow his steps.
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But it's really pity to see your friend who was willing to sacrifice many things in his life (like social aspects and entertainment) ended up abysmally in his academia, albeit the fact that he put on lots of work and effort in it. sad.gif

Your friend's situation contradicts the ones from one of my classmate. I've personally asked him on the study period that he did throughout his life in secondary school, and he told me that he studied not more than 3 hours per day, and yet got straight As in PMR and 7A+,2A in SPM. And this year, he studies Form 6 with me and even with a study period of merely 3 hours daily, he got a CGPA of 3.62 in his trials. And he is far more laid-back than anyone of us in the class when it comes to studying, and unlike most of us in the class, he doesn't burn midnight oil. Whereas for most of my classmates and I, we could hardly catch up to the rhythm of our studies if we do not pull an all-nighter even for a day in any week.
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But it's really pity to see your friend who was willing to sacrifice many things in his life (like social aspects and entertainment) ended up abysmally in his academia, albeit the fact that he put on lots of work and effort in it. sad.gif

Your friend's situation contradicts the ones from one of my classmate. I've personally asked him on the study period that he did throughout his life in secondary school, and he told me that he studied not more than 3 hours per day, and yet got straight As in PMR and 7A+,2A in SPM. And this year, he studies Form 6 with me and even with a study period of merely 3 hours daily, he got a CGPA of 3.62 in his trials. And he is far more laid-back than anyone of us in the class when it comes to studying, and unlike most of us in the class, he doesn't burn midnight oil. Whereas for most of my classmates and I, we could hardly catch up to the rhythm of our studies if we do not pull an all-nighter even for a day in any week.
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It's a matter of study smart, not study hard.

Do not burn midnight oil, I must insist. I personally did not burn midnight oil as well as burning midnight oil merely gives psychological comfort, as if you're studying more, but the fact is your brain is already overload and you shouldn't push yourself anymore.

Quantity does not equal quality. It is true in the method of studying.
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QUOTE(RED-HAIR-SHANKS @ Oct 28 2014, 11:25 AM)
All credits for the contribution of these compilation of Maths T trial papers solely goes to Bean17.
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Hopefully people will not only download , but upload theirs doh.gif

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