Hi I plan to buy a car very very soon. But still cannot make up my mind between these 2 choices. Price both almost the same, maybe Cerato is just a bit expensive. So from overall perspective, which car is a better buy between these 2? Kia or Honda? And kindly state the reason of your perspective choice. Need advise from all Sifus here.

Thanks in advance.






This post has been edited by budak minyak: Jun 13 2014, 12:31 AM

safety features and comfort features... cerato wins hands down, city is bare in comparison

For peace of mind, get City!

C Segment vs B Segment ?

Cerato all the way. Inb4 i drive Myvi saja.

Cerato no nice to ride, feels draggy/heavy.. Honda better
Unless you are finding a car with appearance/ feature that you dont actually use only..get cerato

cerato

honda = reliable.

i`ve found out that these korean makers like to use dark blue LED and backlits in their interior items , which makes them..look..cheap.

if Honda V Spec and Cerato.I opt Honda V Spec.

city for sure, very stable

If you buy Cerato, must buy 2.0, 1.6 Cerato is nice to see only..hopeless on the road..slow response and acceleration. C-segment car minimum must be 1.8cc

I compare because the price almost the same.

Also remember the fuel consumption...Cerato will sucks more fuel in city drive...
New ruling end of the year...maybe 2.0cc car no more subsidies....if petrol money is concerned, get a City.

Have u tried test drive cerato? Really feels that draggy?

For me at least 2 liter unless force induction

Tested. Dun belip you try yourself.

Kia Design looks much better. The new Honda city design really turn me off.

2.0L vehicle will still get the subsidised fuel, only 2.0L above meaning your vehicle capacity is over 2000c.c., normally 2.0L vehicle is actually 1997c.c only. So considered within 2000c.c category.

Yes. At least Campro CFE...lol. But I prefer NA.

Nothing is concrete now. So dont say its matter of factly. Be prepared for the worst.
I sure hope you are right coz my fake lancer is 2.0l.

usually 2.0 car is below 2000cc one .

Like I said...we still dunno anything. Lower cc will probably be a safer bet under this circumstances. And yes, thanks for reminding my fake lancer is only something like 1997 cc. Haha.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 12 2014, 11:21 AM

when u press the peddle, you will feel like the car is pulling something heavy.. it just dont feel like the any acceleration should feel like.
Other replies like not very responsive, i totally agree!!

But before you buy any of these car, i suggest you go and test drive the car. see if which car suits you better

Look at these reviewers trying to be the local version of Mr Nasty (TopGear's you know who)
See if you can view to the end of the video clip. Winner is Cerato, beating the Civic (which is a class higher than City)
Cerato is compared against the Honda Civic, not City. Which is more accurate, at least.



This post has been edited by bananadriver: Jun 12 2014, 12:08 PM

wa im impressed...50/50 the poll..Koreans have really come fat in last 10 years, even LYN ppl can vote 50/50 vs the super City

I am quiet sure that is not the Cerato 1.6l version.
If 2.0L Cerato...why even compare to the City? Price and performance not in the same range.

of course it is not. These cars used for comparisons comes in 2.0L versions.
but the furnishing inside are similar to the 1.6L variants. and they probably drives the same.
Look at how poorly the Civic 2.0 fared, now lets make a new forum thread in LYN asking Civic VS City...

hahaha exactly, right???

Start thread Kancil vs Cerato 2.0L. Vote!!!

u start la. i just started one. later moderator say i flooding.

No to Koreans.

So u suggesting me to go with cerato 1.6 or city?

Current results Honda City leads the poll with 30 vs 22 for cerato.

city

dude , i would say 80% of them never test drive both car one .
since the poll is near, u shall go and test drive both unit & judge by ur own .

back to the age-old question. What do you want in a car? The Cerato is furnished in a way that when you sit inside, you feel pampered. Even the 1.6L is pleasantly furnished with "premium" items (yea most imported local cars removed many things). What I liked are things like rear-seat aircond blowers, powerized driver seats with memory function (presets). these small small details make the car feels really nice. City isnt a bad car at all. In fact if this thread was about City VS some other popular B-segment cars, I would vote for City, but then you asked that Cerato be compared and so personally I would get a Cerato. Did you watch the youtube clip I shared above? Even the Civic cant compare to the Cerato (although they using 2.0L for review).

Malaysians mentality has always been to compare car based on price range, and I dont blame them. But try to look beyond the pricetag factor sometimes.

Make sure you properly test-drive both cars. Imagine yourself still using that car in 5 years.

that just a survey bro..you are the one that will drive the car...both cars hv its pros and cons...choose the car that suit you most....you'll be happy with that..

Test drive and you would know. Koreans only look sporty on the exterior but performance wise is lacking. Paul Tan already compared the Cerato to the new Nissan Sylphy and have a read below. It's not only the quality of the drive from the gearbox but everything stamped with "Kia" is considered to be in the lower echelon.

The Proton Preve with turbo engine is a better buy than this Cerato. Forgot to mention the back of the Cerato looks cartoonish.


The Cerato’s smooth-shifting six-speed automatic gearbox is completely outclassed in comparison, both in terms of response and feel. With its 2.0 litre engine advantage it will edge forward in a drag race, for sure, but its superiority here is limited to outright speed alone. Though ultimately slower, the CVT pair feels more effortless gaining speed, with the Nissan being the more refined operator and the Toyota the quicker of the two.

http://paultan.org/2014/04/18/dnew-nissan-...t-drive-report/

they based on Japan vs Korea car , sure japan win minded

i tested both, and I choosed City, 1.5 V spec vs 1.6 Cerato is totally no match at all. I save 8k buying the city and the car is more responsive. May be the 2.0 will feel a lot better but pay additional 20k? At least I can't afford.

There are so many Honda fans in this forum, hence the high vote i guess. Sit in both of the car, and you would realize the Cerato is so much more upmarket than the City, it's unbelievable they are priced so near each other. (City high spec)

Both aren't gonna score high in driving dynamics anyway, nor the performance department. Hence why one would ever get the City instead of the Cerato is always gonna intrigue me.

1) City is a much better drive than Cerato 1.6 or Forte 1.6. There is no denying to the lack of power in these Korean 1.6l cars with the puny engine and overweight C-segment size.
2) Not everyone has the same criteria to choosing cars. Budget, FC and RV is still a great concern to most Malaysians, whether you agree or not.

A difference of 10k maybe not much to you, but is a lot to many people who has already stretched their budget to the max.

this topic again, i suggest Honda city all the way because it's 1 of the god car with so many features than Vios. Problem free, hassle free, reliable brand and you won't get bad comments from ppl around. Just skip korean if you want peace of mind. By the way, I drive a Cerato and i'm happy with it. I bought it before City launch.

The Cerato interior doesn't impressed me much, same as the City, so what you said upmarket actually is something based on your personal taste. But one thing for sure, after around 2 years or 30-40k km, Korean car tends to generate weird noise from interior plastic. 2 of my elder cousins, both also bought Kia last year around September, but now whenever sit inside their car, you can hear noise from dashboard, and the most surprising is Naza unable to rectify the problem.

The thread starter clearly started the poll for both of this car la.
Hence the difference in the slight bump in price shouldn't be the decisive factor here anymore.

Do drop by mudah.my though, the V Spec City is selling at 89k+ while the Cerato 1.6 is selling at 89k(after discount) as well. It's a no brainer to get the Cerato la. (Mind you, both 2014 models)

In Driven video by Paultan.org, the Cerato was a clear FC champion in comparison with other C Segments (Focus/Civic), so i would reserve myself to label this "another korean fuel guzzler". Should be fair ma.

Dual zone climate control, 10 Way adjustable power seats, leather wrapped steering, 6AT with paddleshifts, all round disc brake, 17" alloys, auto dimming rear mirror, aluminium sport pedals

These are the things i noticed in the Cerato that didn't include in the highest spec City. And they are priced the same now!
And some of them only exist in much pricier cars! People who have been driving B/C Segment all their life won't even see this kit before. I am truly impressed with Kia in this area.

If i am considering a 90k car, i seriously can't stomach going for the CIty instead of the Cerato. Paultan's review mentioned the Cerato's 1.6 performance adequate. I suggest those labelling them underpower should give it a test drive.

Ok i better stop. New City owners is gonna flame me real hard after this.

This post has been edited by dtna7: Jun 12 2014, 04:52 PM

It wasn't the design that I was talking about. It's the materials and fit and finish. I was honestly impressed when I sat in it, and started touching all the plastics (some are soft!) and flicking the switches. The felt real sturdy and properly executed. These are what matters because you will be touching them on a daily basis. Hard plastics are a real turn off when you feel them with your hands.

+1... especially the rear aircond blowers (i love this a lot) and the memory preset for the driver's seat (so those who share the car with a spouse would appreciate this feature a lot). To me, pricetags aside, the Cerato is one class above the City. The Cerato is from the Corolla, Civic segment, and even then in the Drive review, the Cerato is the winner compared to Civic. If this thread has been about City VS other B-segment cars, then I would have likely picked the City for the abundance of features, but then TS is putting the City against contenders like Cerato, its changes everything. But in the end, it's always about what the buyer needs. To some, that extra feeling of performance means a lot, but to the rest, it may mean no difference.

I already test drove both cars bro. In fact i tested it twice. Cerato really gives the premium feels inside the cabin, top notch NVH, which City lacks of. But for long term, afraid cerato might fail me. Hence the confusion between these two.

Wow, really hard to decide bro. But I think in the end I will go with cerato.

But Proton quality is questionable bro.


U dont like the cerato when u test drove it?




What variant of cerato are u driving? 1.6 or 2.0 bro? If 1.6, do u feel underpower? And why u dont recommend me to buy cerato instead? Imagine when u bought the cerato before the new city already available, would u opt for city or stick with cerato?


Nice comment bro. After read your reply here, really makes me more confident to buy Cerato.

Not all but if it counts, i am among the City owner that won't flame you. In my opinion, when it comes to car, brand play an important role and subsequently follow by the design (outlook/interior of the car) which can be subjective depending on individual. No doubt those additional items make it more value for money but usually under-appreciated. I can't list down exactly why i pick City over Cerato (if u ask me why i pick City over Vios then i can tell you why) but if everyone is confined to the specs alone then i guess City or other similarly price car can't even sell at all. Maybe i pick City cause i prefer the dashboard of City and also the overall exterior look. In fact, i prefer the previous gen Forte outlook compare to the new one. This is why we are all unique.

I doubt TS will make his choice base on the poll. Most probably he will pick it after discussing with family members or known friends. On top of this, I think deep inside he has his pick already.

To be honest I really cant decide yet. Deep down, really likes Cerato, but kinda afraid with the quality. City is okay, but I think Cerato is better. If ask my family, of coz most of them will ask me to buy City.

Really depends on what you want. We can't have both worlds right.
You might pick cerato but if it gives u problem in the future u might kick urself for getting it
If u pick city, u will have a sense of regret of not driving a car with premium feel every time u see a cerato passes by but you might have a reliable car for a long time.

Having a peace of mind or enjoying ur ride. Which will you choose?

about the power of 1.6 cerato, it takes 11.6 sec fom 0-100, where by vios need around 12 sec, old city around 11.8sec and inspira 1.8 took 11.4sec. mind u that cerato is on 17" rim, others are on smaller wheel.
fc wise, my 1st tank on cerato give me 510KM, engine still tight and not run in yet, will better once after 1st service.
i glad that i go for cerato instead of city. lol.
btw, those mentioned about quality, honda is not like toyota, so dun put high hope on honda about quality, depend on your luck...

many people keep saying get the city because its a Honda and is "supposed" to be reliable.
sorry to tell you there are no guarantees that it will be reliable. My brother's HONDA Accord has been plague by problems (serious ones, like brakes warping) since he bought it. Ended up he no longer has the patience and time to visit the SC and leave the car there, so it was sold in less than a year for a loss. He drives an "unreliable" Subaru now, and never been happier. This is why I no longer believed in statements that claims certain brands x, y or z are reliable. Its utter BS. There are simply NO GUARANTEES.

yup, doesn't really like it. Those fancy gadgets I dont think i will use it often. at the end of the day, its all about reliability.
So I stick to Honda. At least Japs are more reliable compare to kimchi. And I also save some $$ for other stuff.

about the reliability issue, it's all depends on your luck...car manufacturer never produce the whole part in the car them-selves....most of it come from oem company like bosch, denso, continental and many more..and even proton or perodua parts come from these company....so follow your heart..

Woah, the City was outnumbering the Cerato more than 10+ votes yesterday.

And now the Cerato is already in the lead.

Did my testimony helped?

please explain more on this. are u saying that toyota's quality is better than honda's?

Kinda fed-up with the word reliable. How is this term defined?
Reliable means the car wont make you miss an appointment?
Or reliable because cigarette lighter port doesnt work?
If reliable means car always starts and able to bring you from A to B, then actually almost ALL cars are reliable. what an overused term!

not really. i pick cerato before reading your comment because its a good car. test drive both and i love cerato more

Lol. Compare specs rating is pointless. 1.6L cerato feels like pulling cow up the tree no matter what it says on the numbers.

COME ON, so many threat regarding cerato and city..
TS, can you please refer back to the existing one instead of open new?

you're too late to say this it's now at page 4 already

budak minyak i thought you had made up your mind in the cerato thread?

i trust on numbers (black n white), instead what u talk. we dont even know who u are and how reliable is ur words.
LOL!!!

TS...i think u shud go for test drive and more...if still cant decide..i think the last things u have to do is.....FLIP THE COIN

Cerato 1.6 got my vote against the city high spec .

Different segment is 1st , design is second , feature is third , resale value at last . Naza Kia is improve a lot compare to last 5 years . Forte already proven how well they are

Here we go again. Ts u Toyota sales guy ah?

I thought city can go 10.8sec!

READ CAREFULLY B4 post.
i mention old city!

I might missed previous post.

funny how ppl ask not to trust black and white but expect ppl to trust their feelings...

i own a Cerato 1.6 and Myvi 1.3... brought both cars up Cameron countless times... both car perform up hills the same... But i dont hear ppl claiming Myvi underpowered... myvi just feels fast because of its lousy NVH and lightweight at high speed... so sometimes i wonder do ppl who claim that Cerato is underpowered even drove the car before or not... or maybe they're comparing with cars that are meant to perform... Yes, i drove Golf GTI before, so if i use it to benchmark, most of the car out there are underpowered... Cerato is a family car and meant more for comfort... same goes for City, its not meant to perform...

btw, looking at the poll, ystd City was leading and now Cerato has more fans... Kimchis has come a long way i guess... Good RV for sushi could become a myth in the future since demand is dropping...

sometimes sushi car produce cheapo quality car also , that's why

ya my fren bought a kia forte, it got sound inside the dashboard, never rectified, he said that is the most iritating...however it went magically away ...he suspected the technician screwed everything something tightly hehe

honda never good in NVH, noise insulation those thing...no need take city for comparison...even 150k honda accord also bad insulation...

sry to hear ur bro. buy car is luck. brand reliability does exist. then why the hell all the history of mankind we argue about proton reliability and worship toyota reliability?

I read somewhere I thot the high spec city can go 9.8sec!

not might, you definitly missed it. now you made me wrong also !! all your fault

No such thing as brand reliability.. ppl use to worship ford.. building tough car.. reliable...now with the gearbox issue..
Its all about perception..
Nowadays lot of recall from toyota.. airbag.. paddle mat..software issues.. .. still people call it god car and worship it for being reliable..

In 60s toyota was mocked for not able to climb hill..

Kia Cerato outweight the New Honda City in appearance and specs..

im saying brand CAN be a yardstick for reliability sometime. of course, it's not an ultimate one...because nothing is forever, it can go up and it can go down because performance is fluctuate because men are involved...toyota is not a failproof company but it had been a great one reliable company, at least was and almost known for....or if it is still then good, it cannot be forever....yesday korean brand cannot be reliable doesnt mean tmr it wont be. just like lastime japan is a copycat country now, now we look for everything from japan. and we can almost associate reliability with japan. china is copycat toay but theyr improving.

Still, reliability does associate with brand. we pay premiums for brands, many things can be associated with brand ...design, status, performance, exclusivity, thats why we're paying more...and reliability is one of them we paying more for a brand. and is not an be all and end all factor though. like computers, is asus more reliable than compaq? brand for brand, i dare say yes, at least previously. so can you say reliability is not associated with brand?




This post has been edited by wayfeel: Jun 14 2014, 11:39 PM

Kia Cerato is leading the poll with 79 over 63 for Honda City. Wow this really surprised me. Kia has good reputation now. I hope the RV will improve from time to time.

Yes bro, if it's up to me i definitely go with cerato. But my family keep asking me to buy city coz they scared with RV for Korea car. So i need to think carefully before make decision.

buy the car that u really like ,

else u buy somethings that u don't like , and u still have to use it at least 5 years .

Thanks for the advise bro. I ask for everyone's opinion because this is the first time I'm gonna buy a car, with my hard earned money. Im just 25 y.o, and no experience in buying a car. That's why need to ask around and gather all informations. Afraid will regret later on if i made a wrong choice.

already test drive both cars ? no point discussing if you never even take the initiation to test drive both to compare up to your own preference. Share your preference and points then we can giv more advise.

if u read his previous comments , yes he did test drive both already

I'm assuming TS work in O&G industry, then he should know Korea is among the top manufacturer for heavy industry equipment and is put on par with product from Japan. Korea has catch to Japan, just look at Daewoo/Samsung/LG. Honda City is an excellent base, it just that Honda is not trying to keep-up with the market, especially the safety features.

Look at the picture and imagine you have to live with them for the next few years.

How much of "reliability" are you willing to sacrifice to have the "features"?

Or

How much of "features" are you willing to sacrifice to have the "reliability"?

If that helps.

Yes. Kia don't really worries me, but Naza do. Heard few people complain with after sales service from Naza.

Are u saying Kia's car unreliable? What makes u said so? Care to explain. I mean if last generation Kia like Sephia, yes i agree it's unreliable. But since Peter Schreyer join Kia and introducing Forte, i believe Kia has move few steps ahead, same par as Japanese cars. I think Kia's now is reliable as much as reliable sushi cars, and we should give them a chance to prove it. Do u agree?

That's another thing to ponder about too then. Even if it's like VW cars isn't that problematic but their after sales is bad, I would give VW a pass no matter how good the car feels like.
So is after sales service important to you or you're fine with servicing it with ur own mechanic

The pictures don't do justice to the Cerato. Sit in it and you will be surprised the materials used in a few places that you frequently touch. Sit in the City though, you will be reminded that its still an entry level Jap B-Seg car. The Koreans still lack refinement in the driving department, thats for sure.

Was in Same situation few weeks ago but end up chossing kimchi 1.6.

1) safefty equipment, almost on par pls check spec but cerato win minor
2) performance wise i feel adequate for 1 overweight guy 3 women and 2 kids. Honda city no comment cause just test drive with max 2 guys and 1 sales lady. Cerato can have very good performance by changing rims to 16 and KN filter according to some forumers.
3) driving cerato at first feel odd because its like driving a premium cars, driving city feels more solid (实在). After few weeks already get use to it.
4) comfort cerato wins handsdown both front and back seat. City is too bumpy for family comfort.
5) space cerato is wider and city has longer leg room. I feel wider is more pratical.
6) feature, material, build quality cerato win handsdown, I told my wife we pay a little bit more we can enjoy daily ride in business class seat rather than economy seat.
7) paddle shift is supper fun when driving on hilly road and highway overtake cars. Was also told shifttronic is fun when driving fast up and down cameron and genting. Going to do this next week after first service.
8) fc is comparable to my alza and old wira 1.5 so happy with it.
9) rv wise i choose enjoying the cars daily rather than suffer with a car with high rv for the next 5-7 years. Or choose not to think about rv at all, who knows what the world will become in coming few years maybe electric car become common in 5 years and no one want a petrol car.
10) reliabilty very much depends on luck. kimchi is improving but naza is a question.

Overall i feel cerato offer a complete package for what i need and my budget.

Nope, it's exactly what you said, it's not about Kia, it's about Naza.

i like this statement. nobody knows how the used car market will be in the next 5 years. electric cars are gaining popularity, korean cars too and improving at a fast rate. heck even the chinese cars. japanese entry grade cars already showing they arent worth the reputation of the old generation golden japanese cars, and most importantly newer, younger generation of car buyers are more informed n educated, no longer stuck to verbal opinion passed down by outdated minded, aging mechanics or their parents. so to sacrifice a car u liked just for the sake of unpredictable RV is kinda stupid n naive.

This post has been edited by bananadriver: Jun 16 2014, 10:51 AM