Hey dude,

3 years ago, I used to have a RM3 dinner. Today, I am having the same RM3 dinner. 3 years ago, I am driving a Kenari. Today, the same Kenari cost the same. 3 years ago, I am paying RM150 monthly for insurance. Today, I am paying the same.

So whats the difference?? RM2K for a fresh grad is quite a lot, because you dont have any experience at all. Try to work for at least 6 months, before you go into salary negotiation.

Dun you know anything about the inflation? back to y2k, one magie mee cost u 35cents or 40cents, today it costs u bout 50 or 55 cents, that time 1 teh ice was rm0.80, now? RM1 consider cheap or pay for RM1.20 for it.. how much do you pay for a movie treat tat time? RM6-7? or make it 8... now? RM9 even is on weekday n expecting RM10 for weekend show... whats more.... petrol? how much u pay for it during y2k? RM1.33/litre? how bout now? its dam RM1.92/litre tat sucking my blood off.. dun u see the economic crisis here?? n now u tell me wats the difference??
u say u still paying RM3 for the same dinner, oh yea.. i'm paying same RM1.50 for a stick of 4pcs taiwanese sausage at "lok lok" stall, n now i still pay for RM1.50.. guess wat?? Now they made it into 3 1/2 pcs per stick!! Think about it...
no offense, but to remind u the facts..

back to topic, RM2k is consider good to start wif, if u're live in Johor n not worry of paying rental, utilities n so on, this is consider a good one.. y not?
as said earlier by them, work for at least 6 months before u demand for more..
cheers~

I think i help u guys with this statistic.....

A real statistic but i need to remind all, it is still a guidance not use as reality benchmark....

hope this will help..mostly IT and engineering salary...


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My friends are GTs at Intel.

Graduate Trainee.

My point exactly.

R & D is probably one of the most misused acronyms in this country.

Been there, done that. I got RM300 only.

When you joined as GT?

A long long time ago...
I did hear that the relo pkg was increased but dont think that much.

without handful and useful exp, u r way far from "talented" in worklife. u cld be talented in some way back in uni time, but study and work is totally a diff things. oh man... what happen to nowaday's fresh grad...? yeah, probably u r 1 of special n most talented fresh grad out there. but with odd kind of attitude, ur talent will not be fully appreciated... think!


GT has limited benefit compare to regular employee, and more, they have a 1 year contract!! after that, the supervisor will decide to convert it to regular or kick.

hahaha... industrial trainee is diff from graduate trainee!! anyway, how many years back u got that 300 bucks?

This post has been edited by WhatCanIdo: Aug 8 2006, 03:20 PM

How true.

I'm guessing you and me work in the same company (hello to you then). It was 2 years back. Just before the mad hiring craze.

Yeap ... that's why Intel is compensating in term of relocation benefits for non-adjacents states. RM500 vs RM 3000. See the difference.

Damn. Should have joined later... got only RM300 from non-adjacent state.

hahaha... but u must take it as GT, and prepare to be kicked out 1 year later (bcoz u only care about that 3k)... just kidding!!! they r not that cruel, i think

wow!! if u dig deeper to get more info, u will find out what u have miss in the 1 year life as a GT compare to that 2.5k diff.

anyway, that is not my point. do think on what u wanna get for urself in long term other then monetary. worklife exp is more useful then the number when u advance further. and dont get me wrong on the GT, nothing really bad to be a GT. in fact, it could be a stepping stone to advance.

If you do not have any others offer, I suggest you to take the job. Later you may find another which satisfied you. Meanwhile, take this few months to learn more things. This should be the proper way to plan out you career instead of thinking to get better pay.

> 2k is quite good actually for fresh grads..if its an internation company, you might get > 2.5k...for small or medium size company, usually they'll pay you only about 1.8 k...

too bad Intel now in midst of layoff. i hear there's only one engineering job still available. can't remember what it was...

back when i started out, i also think 2k gud enough. now, i know that many companies still looking for grads and starting pay is quite high (penang especially). i started with 2.5k but so far, i know other companies pay higher. also, i think it's better to work in MNC as starter coz got more chance for growth and more options available to you both now and in the future.

is quite a big surprise that my thread got so many reply in such a short time. First to all, I should apologies to those that think that my altitude got problem on search job (i assume that ppls think that I'm arrogant and picky on job, money minded, rite ?).Is my bad that I didn't stated clear about the scenario and the job offered.

1st case, The melaka company (company M), I got a fren's fren (called it Mr. A) work in there, Mr. A also a fresh graduate, however, he had work in another company for 2 month then only join the company M, and they offered him a salary of RM2.4k with OT allowance of RM50/3hr. The position he work is non-related to technical (related to project management,process,dealing with customer,etc). However for the position that I being offered is 80% technical (as told from the interviewer), but the salary I being offered are merely RM2k. So for sure, not matter how your own mentality are, once you know that there got another ppl in similar situation with you, however the salary being offered are different, what will you think about it ?

2nd case, come to another case of RM2k in johor, that company is offered me as a test Engineer, that one no any allowance can be claim except for OT, however the rate is RM5/hr. And the job scope seem scary, cos it will giving me an individual project to go on, I need to be on my own and settle everything by myself, no asistance will be given, and the project scope seem impossible for a freshbie to handle (cant disclose much, cos ppls will be easy to guess on which company is it), so in my mind, i was thinking, giving me a freshbie on such a big project, either they are trust on my skill on handling, or they are trying to squeeze as mush as possible for me, use me as a slave untill i exhaust --> project succes = they earn it, cos hiring a cheap labour for hard task ; project fail = they didn't lost at all, cos the $$$ they paid is cheap, can easily get another one to continue it. Ppl might think that, since a project being given to you ,you should be grateful on it, you can learn a lot, y you still picky on it ? the problem now is the altitude of the manager, keep emphasize on I need to be alone on dealing with all the problem no asist will be given, if you were me, don't you feel sumthing fishy ?

3rd case, the 2.2k post in johor, ok, this one so far i can said that is qutie reasonable, R & D Engineer, no allowance except OT (RM25/3hr). But problem is the job scope, even is R & D, but I need to handling 50% technical and 50% for non technical, such as deal with customer, operator, production line, testing,blablabla, (i cant remember all), initially I was shocked on the job scope, however they explained to me that it for my own benefit, cos i can learn more, one thing i remember clearly is that they said: "without those exp, wat if u develop sth that cant be put into production line to be manufacture, then it will be a problem to you", emm, sound reasonable to me. However after seeking advice from my lecturer, he told me that I shouldn't divide my attention on so many aspect, if want to go into R & D, I should emphasize on it, to gain deeper knowledge on certain technology. Tats y I also headache.

However thanks for your guys advice, now I'm preparing for my next week interview, hopefully I won't mess up with it, and thanks for your guys reminder, i should looking more toward career prospect. However in my mind, i still believe there are sum company are trying to squeezing us freshbie on salary, esp that statement they make: "nowadays RM2k considered high, sum ppls even get RM1.8k". I believe there are ppls getting 1.8k, however there should be other allowance to be claim for their benefit. I believe as a fresh graduate in engineering field , as long as we know what we had learn in the past, and our mentality and personlity should be in the right way,then shouldnt be a problem for us to find job, don't you all think so ?

RM 2k is still considered OK. If less than that, then it might be not sufficient.

RM2K is minimum for fresh grad and for survival.
RM1.8K is very low ... possible that company will be closed down in 6 months or so. Unless you are still depending on family ... RM1.8K per month ... sigh possible you have to dig up money from your bank account to cover your monthly expenses.

good to hear u r not everything $$$ person.

i could only partly agreed on ur 3 scenarios/cases. hahaha... the 2nd case sound familiar!! hav ur lecturer been worked in a factory or design a product that could sell to market?? if not, then he/she probably dont really understand how important manufacturing tech? a basic understanding of that is always good. btw, did they say wanted to offer the job to u already? or they just ask if you can accept the salary offered? remember, it's not done deal until u get the letter. that's people called "art of interviewing"

yup, right mentality and personality plus ur technical talent, u will build up ur value quicker then average. but be minded, engineering graduate not a guarantee of getting a job. competition is always tough

good luck to ur interview in pg.

oh ya... to add: 1.8k is really low nowadays for an average engineering background freshie folks. maybe u r too screw up with the interview and the company still offer u but with that low salary. still... engineering doesn't guarantee u a job!

This post has been edited by WhatCanIdo: Aug 8 2006, 08:35 PM