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post Jul 7 2014, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(ALaN- @ Jul 7 2014, 07:00 PM)
Unit 2111 - Feng Shui - Facing South - Right Staircase
Near to Guard ** Quick SOS by Security Guard
Nice landscape just beside, guess can still listen to the waterfeatures sound ( but also the passerby though  sweat.gif )
** I guess is generally more expensive due to the garden beside and facing south
Maybe House No.03 ? Wild guess
Unless you really like to look at the water features 24/7 with car passing the roundabout, you may consider 2079.

But IMHO, I still prefer 2111  laugh.gif
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Kindly inform us (or PM if you don't want to publicize ) the unit that you've finally chosen
I want to buy jackpot with the number(s), so that I can book a unit or two at EM !! (sure kena one!!) tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2014, 07:08 PM

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Nice concept
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post Jul 7 2014, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(tengster @ Jul 7 2014, 05:55 PM)
It is different concept. Very difficult to compare apple to apple.

I do like the linear garden at the back of terraces in Cradleton.
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If people start hanging or drying clothes outside how ar?
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post Jul 7 2014, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(june1522 @ Jul 7 2014, 07:28 PM)
If people start hanging or drying clothes outside how ar?
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Got free cloth hanger in the yard ma. If purposely hang the clothes outside for drying ma kena penalty or fine from the management loh. Lol.

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post Jul 7 2014, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(june1522 @ Jul 7 2014, 07:28 PM)
If people start hanging or drying clothes outside how ar?
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This is a tough question. If the houseowner push out a moveable clothes hanger, I think It should be okie (at least for me since this is not a permanent structure)....But then, I think we should refer to house rules to confirm that fact.

Let's tweak the scenario, someone wanna put an altar there as permanent feature at outside...What do you think? tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2014, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Jul 7 2014, 07:53 PM)
Got free cloth hanger in the yard ma. If purposely hang the clothes outside for drying ma kena penalty or fine from the management loh. Lol.
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What if people come in and steal your branded clothing etc ?
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post Jul 7 2014, 08:31 PM

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What if people come in and steal your branded clothing etc ?
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Try not to wear branded stuff. Like me, I only focus on Cap Pagoda or Cap Tangan....comfy and practical.... horsey boh? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 7 2014, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Jul 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
What if people come in and steal your branded clothing etc ?
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Not only branded stuff, nowadays a lot of bin tai lou like to steal bra and underwear... so how ah?
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post Jul 7 2014, 08:48 PM

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Not only branded stuff, nowadays a lot of bin tai lou like to steal bra and underwear... so how ah?
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Haha this problem will affect all gateless, be it cradleton or tenderfield, do u think it really promote better relationship with neighbor or actually invite more problem? Can anyone staying in such concept area confirm? I think developer should allow installation of gate but they can confine house owner to use same design.
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post Jul 7 2014, 09:06 PM

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Simply. Buy a land, build a own house. Install CCTV and sensor alarm system, personal security guard. Should be 99% safe.
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post Jul 7 2014, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(june1522 @ Jul 7 2014, 08:48 PM)
Haha this problem will affect all gateless, be it cradleton or tenderfield, do u think it really promote better relationship with neighbor or actually invite more problem? Can anyone staying in such concept area confirm? I think developer should allow installation of gate but they can confine house owner to use same design.
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Maybe those staying in DPC can share more...
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post Jul 7 2014, 09:39 PM

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Maybe those staying in DPC can share more...
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If your neighbor has a cat....emm. Dpc, neighbor complained cat came over kakacaucau its fish pond at garden. Ha. Having said that, less barrier is good if you have friendly nice neighbour. Nasty one...u will faint. So relationship i guess nothing to do with gateless or not. smile.gif
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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Jul 7 2014, 08:27 PM)
What if people come in and steal your branded clothing etc ?
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What???

If the people come in to my yard ( means he already break in the back door ) and just stole my branded clothing, I might put a sticker outside backyard door " thank u for not parang me and rob me instead of my clothes "

Lol

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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Jul 7 2014, 09:39 PM)
If your neighbor has a cat....emm. Dpc, neighbor complained cat came over kakacaucau its fish pond at garden. Ha. Having said that, less barrier is good if you have friendly nice neighbour. Nasty one...u will faint. So relationship i guess nothing to do with gateless or not. smile.gif
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Thanks Hunter.... Your input appreciated.... nod.gif
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post Jul 7 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Jul 7 2014, 09:39 PM)
If your neighbor has a cat....emm. Dpc, neighbor complained cat came over kakacaucau its fish pond at garden. Ha. Having said that, less barrier is good if you have friendly nice neighbour. Nasty one...u will faint. So relationship i guess nothing to do with gateless or not. smile.gif
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An article on pros and cons of gated and guarded community from the edge malaysia.

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysians have been bombarded with news reports of break-ins, sexual assaults and road bullies in the last few years. We don’t need news reports to inform us that the crime rate is escalating. Many of us have either fallen victim to criminals in recent times, or know of friends and relatives who have.

Security, it seems, has become a prized commodity. It is for this reason that gated and guarded (G&amp;G) developments are becoming popular with Malaysians even though it comes with a high price tag. “The crime rate in KL is high, despite what the official figures say.

So, when developers come up with a gated and guarded development, there is a premium on the price that buyers are prepared to pay for,” says James Wong, director of VPC Alliance (KL) Sdn Bhd.

Security aside, G&amp;G concepts are being built in response to consumers’ desire for better living standards, says Eric Ooi Yew Hock, managing director of real-estate advisory firm Knight Frank Malaysia. They give middle- and upper-income earners an upgraded lifestyle, he adds.

Wong describes a G&amp;G development as a cluster of houses within a secured and gated residential community. “There are two components to a G&amp;G development.

One, you buy into a ready-made development and two, you buy land and build your own house.” Characteristics of a G&amp;G development would include security in the form of parameter fencing, guard patrols and 24-hour closed-circuit television (CCTV) facilities, adds Wong.

“There is also a guard house and security bar to control access to the community.” Such a development also offers quality living with the provision of recreational facilities and landscaping. “Facilities will include a clubhouse, swimming pool and mini jogging tracks,” he says.

Ooi adds that G&amp;G developments include condominiums or a phase or parcel of landed residences grouped within a walled area. “The developments may also include a mix of condominiums and landed residences.”

Ooi says some of the earliest G&amp;G projects can be found in Country Heights in Kajang, Mines in Seri Kembangan, Tropicana in Petaling Jaya, and Kelab Golf Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah (KGSAAS) and Glenmarie Court in Shah Alam.

“Basically, the earlier ones were incorporated with golf courses and clubhouses and were affordable only for corporate and high-net-worth individuals. They were targeted as luxury homes,” he notes.

The price

The premium for G&amp;G homes can be hefty. Ng Seing Liong, immediate past president of Real Estate and Housing Developers’ Association Malaysia (Rehda), notes that a G&amp;G property unit can cost almost twice as much as a non-G&amp;G unit. “While a normal terraced house in the Klang area costs RM260,000, a similar unit in a G&amp;G development costs RM500,000.”


Foo Gee Jen, managing director of C H Williams Talhar &amp; Wong, agrees. “Some double-storey terraced houses in Desa ParkCity cost nearly RM1 million.

However, similar units in neighbouring township like Bandar Sri Damansara cost only RM450,000 to RM500,000.”

However, it has been observed that G&amp;G developments register a higher capital appreciation rate. “Generally, for non-G&amp;G properties, the average appreciation rate is only about 5% to 6% a year. At most, it is 10% a year. However, in Lake Edge Puchong, the appreciation for a double-storey terraced house from 2005 to 2010 was 60% to 70% [12% to 14% a year],” says Foo.

Aside from the higher purchase price, monthly maintenance, sinking fund and property management fees are also part and parcel of living in a G&amp;G development. “This cost is shared among owners in proportion to their acreage and the quality of maintenance and security required,” Ooi says. “Some schemes just contain individual homes with perimeter fencing and guarded access, but roads and open spaces are managed by the local authority. Other schemes may have more built-up areas with shared amenities like parking space, walkways and gardens.”

Maintenance charges, 10% of which usually goes into a sinking fund, differ from property to property, and so does the quality of services, says Ooi. Some landed G&amp;G schemes charge lump sums of RM300 to RM500 a month, he says. For projects in Desa ParkCity and other suburban locations, he adds, the charges are between 20 and 30 sen psf.

Wong points out that the monthly fees, inclusive of security, for Casaman in Desa ParkCity ranges from RM800 to RM900 a month, or an average of 25 sen psf.

“Whereas for Sierramas East, monthly maintenance fees, which include security fees, are about RM700 a month for bungalows. For semi-detached and terraced houses, it is about RM660 a month.”

Things to look out for

Whether you’re buying a unit for you to live in or for investment, location is an important consideration, notes Knight Frank’s Ooi. “Good locations always ensure that there is capital appreciation [for owners]. But with such properties, the state of maintenance further influences their future value.”

On the other hand, Wong points out that G&amp;G developments are not confined to prime locations. There is demand for such developments even in less-preferred locations like Selayang, Seri Kembangan, Kajang and Sungai Buloh.

“The moment you put a barricade there, it becomes more of living in a secure environment among one’s own peers, and building your own palace there. People can look beyond the location. People stay in G&amp;G developments not just for the sake of security, but also for the environment and the ambience. Some buyers are also looking at the recreational amenities available.”

Foo agrees, adding that some G&amp;G developments “have defied the location factor”. That said, he reckons a G&amp;G development has to be sizeable to attract a big-enough crowd, like the massive developments in Setia Eco Park in Shah Alam and Sierramas in Sungai Buloh.

Next, it is also important to ensure that the G&amp;G project is developed by a reputable player and managed by competent people, says Ooi. Ng concurs:

“There are many instances where the development is advertised as a G&amp;G but when it is not managed well, the guards just disappear. The place then becomes a non-G&amp;G, and house prices go down substantially.”

Wong stresses the importance of buying from a good developer. “When you’re looking at a development that offers ready-built houses, there are the considerations of branding and quality of finishes.

The latter includes sophisticated kitchen equipment and IT facilities like wireless facilities and fibre optics.” On the other hand, if you’re buying the land and building your own house, the environment is an important consideration, he adds.

More importantly, ensure that you are buying a development with landed strata titles. Desa ParkCity is an example of a “legal G&amp;G community”, says Ng. “People who purchase a property there would have common ownership of the facilities like parks, open space and roads. If you don’t have that and your land is subdivided, you are surrendering your roads to the government, and those would be public roads that belong to everybody.”

Foo agrees, adding that a landed strata unit would give owners better control in terms of management and supervision of units in the development.

“With a strata landed unit, whatever you do, you need approval from the joint management corporation or joint management body,” he says. “If a development claims to be a G&amp;G but it’s not governed [by the Strata Titles (Amendment) Act 2007], there will be a lot of management issues in the future.”

Here, you must be prepared to comply with the terms of the deed of mutual covenant and house rules set by the developers.

“Most G&amp;G developments won’t allow you to have a front gate or fencing. You will be governed by the usual building bylaws. When you buy land in a G&amp;G development, the developer may want to restrict the design of your house. That’s part of communal living in most gated and guarded communities,” says Wong.


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post Jul 7 2014, 10:31 PM

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Recently came across a new launch in Sierra 16, it is claimed to be strata title but when asked about pet, like dog, cat. etc, the sales office said it all depends on the DMC, if there is non stated in the DMC, then no restriction. For Sierra 16, DMC not specify about pet, hence they allow.
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post Jul 7 2014, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(ckl1998 @ Jul 7 2014, 10:31 PM)
Recently came across a new launch in Sierra 16, it is claimed to be strata title but when asked about pet, like dog, cat. etc, the sales office said it all depends on the DMC, if there is non stated in the DMC, then no restriction. For Sierra 16, DMC not specify about pet, hence they allow.
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It's true that a large part depends on DMC which will and should state clearly what restrictions are imposed. Otherwise it may be subject to challenge by the residents for restricting them doing something but without black and white.
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Jul 7 2014, 08:38 PM)
Not only branded stuff, nowadays a lot of bin tai lou like to steal bra and underwear... so how ah?
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post Jul 8 2014, 07:44 AM

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No dogs or cat? Impossiblelah, many people sure protest. On the other hand no gate better dont keep dogs, may end up on neighbour's dining table laugh.gif

Actually there is a gate but it looks like a low boarded fence only at the side of the house preventing people from going to your garden although there is no front gate so neighbours can actually walk up to your door or yes peep through your window and caught you with your pants down! ohmy.gif whistling.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

From the mock-up model the fence is actually only waist high - that's what I mean by lack of privacy. Hopefully the end-product may be different.

In the past such concept is actually reserved for high end development where only the super rich (presumably MYOB type) can afford so less threat of prying neighbours. If everybody is rich, why steal things from each other but stealing lingerie is another matter laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif thanks Jason, I have a real good laugh thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Jul 7 2014, 09:06 PM)
Simply. Buy a land, build a own house. Install CCTV and sensor alarm system, personal security guard. Should be 99% safe.
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That is always the best but $$$ cry.gif

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