yes, we want cheaper imported car. But is it worth to stop doing automobile manufacturing and leave thousands Malaysians jobless?

in my opinion, the proton cars are still ok. not usually broke down.

Find me a replacement car with tebocas engine lotus handling auto light auto wiper cruise control pedal shift 6 airbag esc reverse cam huge ass interior pls under 70k

This post has been edited by Boy96: May 7 2014, 03:32 PM

Mahathir wont let

ok kolos tered first then we kolos proton

98954546454448458989th thread abt should we close down prot0n

kolos laaa dun wan feed those half assed quality control and design ppl in there

If close down, where got cheap car ?

The big question is 'could we', not 'should we'

notthisshitagain.jpg, you know it wont happen?

Find me a C-Segment car with Mivec 2.0cc engine for RM90k.

nope. I dont want Proton to die.

What i want:
1. Proton to improve and be like Hyundai
2. Malaysia to release the crazy import car tax.

that is all.

I hate proton cars. but i want malaysia to have something.

I want proton to reboot and improve.

no...you should let it "naturally" go bankrupt...owai..

Which would you choose? A few thousand people or a few million?

itu bukan budaya kita

jangan persoal!

as long as mamakthir is around, dream on

as long as malaysia gov not bankrupt, proton wont bankrupt

our gov will keep throwing money into the blackhole

korected

Wonder y u all think closing proton will reduce car prices? U think gov will cut that much income from car tax? So naive

i don think we should close proton but instead change the whole management to a new one, its not the proton its the people behind it who destroy proton.....have you saw the making of proton preve...just look at them most of them are old people who just there because dunno where to go macam takda passion je....we need young fresh people who are hunger for creativities and ideas + passion and have a high spirit to change our national automobile...i really think thats what we really need...same like hyundai and kia, look at their 1st car generation ugly as hell, then they make a drastic movement by hiring outsider to design their car and look where they are rite now...again it is just my 2sen je k babai

I like Proton with their rebadge engineering, get to buy rebadged Mitsubishi Lancer and in the future, rebadged Honda Accord at cheaper price.

Currently I'm driving Inspira.

This post has been edited by RedPillReality: May 7 2014, 03:38 PM

Enough la. This issue already discussed so many times before. We all know it should be.

moron. look at thailand. look at their automotive policy. producing a very LARGE number of cars for toyota, honda, and other large car manufacturers. even latest, VW decided to choose THAILAND instead of MALAYSIA, despite their political problem

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3180381

This post has been edited by ruffaz: May 7 2014, 03:40 PM

the question is when and not should

i couldn't agree to close down proton,

what i want is, proton to focus on details things in their car like,
interior design, finishing, and quality.

and i supposed proton wont die easily

Even proton close down, the same tax and charges still there...
this is the gov cash cow, do you think they will remove it?

The use proton as the reason to get this income, and we just blame proton for it.
Proton do apply to all this tax and charges, same as all import car....

so conclusion, without proton, the car price will be the same or even higher.
cause malaysian have no choice but to buy import car.

How about No.... dah elok elok ada industry kereta sendiri lagi mau tutup pulak.

rebadge is perodua expertise

don't close it. improve it instead.

any other car without the tax
owait

Dont close it
Thousands will lose jobs

Instead, improve it
By major restructure from management to vendors

Whixh i see it..
Impossible

Say no to proton, auto industry in msia will grow stronger, replacing indon/thai as main exporter and creates more vacancies in the local market

Hyundai in late 90's was garbage and worse than proton (compare old elantra with wira). But just look at them now, they are on par with the Japanese.

The only way proton will improve is to remove tax on foreign cars, that way proton will face a do or die situation and let the free market choose what is best. If more imported cars, then there will be more showrooms and more service centers opening up, the jobs will just go elsewhere, it's not the end of the world.

if they cant convince export market to buy half their production, then what ever they do also will be dead end also, cos they dont have the production numbers to lower cost and enjoy economies of scale.

under KWD70k, sure have........

inb4 KWD1=RM11.61

Toyoi, please attach Mitsubishi Lancer produced in 1983.

We need to keep the low class brand.
So that others can be high class.

or 2008 lancer or 2008 honda accord..

they should be crucified for selling shit to own people while the exports get better specs n price.

I agree.

Though, I wonder what would happen to Proton without government's protection.

I agree. It started out as a good dream but somehow in the middle got twisted in a lot of shit.

They could learn a thing or two form Perodua and others to be a global player. Also, please stop the protection thingy too and release all nonsensical taxes.

Mitsubishi Lancer 1990s.

pls up to date on rebadge models la.

BR1M Version 4.0

those lost the Proton jobs are disabled? Can't work in other factories?

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: May 7 2014, 04:09 PM

1. Just remove the import tax on foreign cars.



Problem solved.

cheap foreign car? hahaha..still kena tax la..

Vios siti features tak banyak


Thats for Proton to take care, not for end buyer

soon your car will join the fate of the other 2.. then maybe you might reconsider your view..

you should be asking whether if proton is sustainable against real market competition

Yaaa ... You tak suka jangan beli. Banyak lagi orang mahu beli

Need to rearrange the sentence:
Put the "we" in front and remove the question mark

Closed it. I couldnt care-less about the few hundred K not working in Protos. They can't find other job unless they are impotent XD.

This is business, if you are not up to the competition. Wind-up, nuff said.
Perodua is doing great but not Proton and why so? Always blame ppl not supportive enough, we pay a large sum for it, and more higher than they export it to other countries, wafak.
I really can't brain their level of thinking that you can blame the ppl for not buying your products.....lol....

A whole lot of cars - IF we didn't have that stupid tax and import duties protecting Proton.

OK, so there's no Lotus handling but what the fucuk gave you the idea that all Proton cars had Lotus handling anyway? The GTI was tuned by Lotus. Aside from that, Lotus kinda helped out in developing the handling for Proton but what about it? The average Proton handles worse than most Japanese cars in the same range.

close proton
open more toyota, honda, chevy, vw, mazda....

create more jobs, more exports, more income
create competitive market, better quality, global car price

then only u create national car to compete against these players (if capable)

Because of this stupid proton protection policy people are having to take out 9 year loans on their cars and seriously damages their purchasing power. The lack of public transport basically makes a car mandatory for living in most of Malaysia. If people have a higher purchasing power and aren't burdened with the stupid car loans then people will begin to spend more money and the economy will boom and these 250,000 people can just find other jobs in other car showrooms or a variety of different industries.

Don't be too negative. All car mfr started with poorly designed car also. Some ppl says not feasible because small population, but the mat salleh told me that Sweden has much less population than Malaysia but Volvo is famous. Just need to improve the quality.

This is an extremely stupid justification of maintaining Proton. You forget that before Dr M decided to start Proton as his pet project, many overseas car manufacturers were looking at making Malaysia their regional production hub - even with the goddamn 51% share nonsense. Why? Because we're more stable than Thailand. But no...we started up Proton so they all went to Thailand instead who welcomed them with open arms.

If it weren't for Proton, there will still be a thriving automotive industry here hiring hundreds of thousands of workers. However, the difference is that we'll all be driving Vios and City instead of those goddamn Sagas.

Better, no?

Yes, we get paid for the jobs but still colony country

We got fed up waiting for them to improve their quality after all these years. Should just cut off the protectionism and force competition on them. Sink or swim. Drastically improve their quality quickly or go bankrupt.

Heard of CKD?

Just privatized it and stop feeding on this baby. It will never grow competitive in the industry if the mummy continue to feed.

hell alot

due to protectism.....you are not seeing it

List down those cars please

How different is that to having factories like Sony and Western Digital in this country?

I don't see Malaysia trying to make an impact in the consumer electronics sector, which really was what should have happened instead. We should have formed a company that could eventually become something like Samsung instead of wasting all our resources on Potong.

Mahathir does not have as much foresight as people give him credit for.

Sell the factories to Volkswagen and let them produce whatever they want. Malaysia is a lot more stable than Thailand (Thai PM was just ousted a few hours ago and Thailand is on the brink of Civil war, plus Honda and Nissan factories were destroyed in the floods and there is no flood prevention system in place because of non functioning government). There problem solved.

Rename become ROTNOP. See back same car with new logo. Rebrand the rebadge. muahahaha.

Errr.... Proton is a private company.

How about you list down which Proton car actually has Lotus Handling? Here I'll start:

Satria GTI.

Go on, any more? Which other Proton car actually has better handling than their Toyota and Honda counterparts?

Kalau kaya beli kereta lain...tak yah fedup. Nanti sakit sape susah....

Potong should be kolosed....

Have u tried driving a Vios at speeds over 190? That thing floats like a boat

Sony WD ... same thing. People also used to laugh at Japanese product, then Taiwan, then China....Actually we are the focus of electronic industry first when Korea was not heard of. But then we are still working for foreign companies. They like us because we don't copy

Meh...

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: May 7 2014, 04:41 PM

Proton doesn't float @ 190km/h?

My car was cruising at 200KM/h from KL to JB.
A white Vios tailgated my car from KL to Pagoh and it went past my car like a bawse after Pagoh.
Real story.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: May 7 2014, 04:46 PM

The marketing says "The car that can fly you anywhere you want to go"

But it still work like SOE style. Privatized as in wholly privatized.

It is already a private company. With full protection though.

Privatize a private company?
How about remove the protection?

As long as old man still alive, nothing will happen.

And which Proton can even hit that speed? If they do, how is their handling?

Let's not count the GTI, because I can than rope the Celica into the picture.

Why get angry? Before you pay money check first if it worth what you pay lo. No need to bullshit here and there

Heh. People complain that they are not innovative, but if they come up with something pretty ugly/expensive, I'd really rather the rebadge other cars and locally produce.

And how is it now? How many world-class and renowned companies do we have?

People were laughing at Proton cars before, and they still are. When are Proton going to stop being the laughing stock? How long more do we have to wait? Its been 20+ years.

That is what I'm saying. Then what we should do? Even in the US they have to campaign on TV for American to buy US Made because competition from Japanese product

What i'm trying to say is to remove the protection, the best way is to let the other capable private company to do. DRB is GLC right? correct me if im wrong.
I believe that most of the strategies or management are being controlled by Government too.

This post has been edited by ChrisWeiYuan: May 7 2014, 04:56 PM

Force Proton to get off their lazy pampered bums and actually be competitive instead. No more free lunch for them.

I know this debate never ended.
and i assume all of us know its impossible for gov to close down proton
they instantly lose face

desway i said, all can do, improve from management and importantly, the vendors.

so if Proton closes down, will /ktards support their families since they don't have jobs anymore?

Or you rather let them rot in the streets/rampant crime/rempitz?

Or you just think about yourselves only?

inb4 i dont care

Lol I posted here so many times. I have reached that speed with 6 people in the car, and those passengers didnt even notice the speed

Close Proton Close DRB-Hicom

For me, no. But Proton need to improvised.

somebody need to apply this, apparently a lot!

+1 this.

So it is now the job of a consumer to look after the welfare of Potong employee? Who is looking after my welfare than?

Oh, so your Suprima S issit? Shouldn't be competing with Vios already liddat.

Try Ford Focus.

I'd been in Preve CFE at 200 km/h on PLUS highway. Driver even let his hands of the steering wheel at that speed to show how stable it is. Handling and engineering are good but quality left alot to be desired.