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post May 7 2014, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:06 PM)
30 years passed by still same crap. wanna give chance another 30 years?

RM16K in 1985 (if not buy Saga) easily worth gazillions in 60 years interest-compounded

(if you compare besi buruk vs. savings account lah)
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KIA Hyundai took almost 50 years wor.

same crap? 2014 Suprima = 1986 Saga? now only I noe.
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post May 7 2014, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:06 PM)
30 years passed by still same crap. wanna give chance another 30 years?

RM16K in 1985 (if not buy Saga) easily worth gazillions in 60 years interest-compounded

(if you compare besi buruk vs. savings account lah)
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just remove the TONGKAT then we will see... hidup ke mati brows.gif
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post May 7 2014, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 7 2014, 06:09 PM)
KIA Hyundai took almost 50 years wor.

same crap? 2014 Suprima = 1986 Saga? now only I noe.
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if you cant keep up with technology then you shouldnt be in it..
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post May 7 2014, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 7 2014, 06:10 PM)
if you cant keep up with technology then you shouldnt be in it..
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What technology would you like to see in an entry level car?

QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:12 PM)
you still won't buy Suprima in Langkawi lah hypocrite.
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Me being hypocrite anot has nothing to do with the question, why don't you answer the question instead of attacking me?
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post May 7 2014, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 7 2014, 06:17 PM)
What technology would you like to see in an entry level car?
u dont get it, preve and suprima is their flagship car, best effort on their own.. while vios and city is just entry level Asean B segment.. so if they cant even outdo vios and city in Asean acceptance.. what is there to say?
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post May 7 2014, 06:21 PM

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post May 7 2014, 06:21 PM

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Just improve design and quality control la. Close apa so naive.. hire new ang mo designer
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post May 7 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ May 7 2014, 06:21 PM)
first thing first .....
are Malaysian love their country like Japan and Korean ???
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technology products why need to love country? no logic, you got buy 1malaysia android pad or not?
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post May 7 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 7 2014, 06:19 PM)
u dont get it, preve and suprima is their flagship car, best effort on their own..  while vios and city is just entry level Asean B segment.. so if they cant even outdo vios and city in Asean acceptance.. what is there to say?
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I don't disagree with the Proton quality argument.

I am asking what Technology does other C-segments have that Suprima/Preve does not?

And then consider the resources Proton has to market their cars overseas, notwithstanding the subpar quality. They can't even market their cars properly in Malaysia.
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post May 7 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud9Nos3 @ May 7 2014, 06:21 PM)
Just improve design and quality control la. Close apa so naive.. hire new ang mo designer
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When hell freezes over.

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post May 7 2014, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:22 PM)
what answer? even macai2 still komplen power window on 2014 Suprimakâ„¢.....just like 1986 Saga

LoL...nothing wrong for you to admit hypocrisy. Suck it up ok
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2014 Suprima power windows gets same amount of komplen as 1986 Saga? now I noe.
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post May 7 2014, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 7 2014, 06:22 PM)
I don't disagree with the Proton quality argument.

I am asking what Technology does other C-segments have that Suprima/Preve does not?

And then consider the resources Proton has to market their cars overseas, notwithstanding the subpar quality. They can't even market their cars properly in Malaysia.
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sure.. how many engine options does it have? for starters
got memory seats? got sunroof? got class leading KM/L figures? got JD power high rankings?
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post May 7 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 7 2014, 06:26 PM)
sure.. how many engine options does it have? for starters
got memory seats? got sunroof? got class leading KM/L figures? got JD power high rankings?
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Memory seats and sunroof consider high tech? Are they more difficult to implement than a new drivetrain? stability control? chassis design?

On engine options, again, how much resources does Proton have to maintain several engine production lines considering their market share? FC-wise I don't disagree, but neither do kimchis.

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post May 7 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:30 PM)
i only tell 'same komplen' not the amount of komplen. lu sendiri tambah ok lah...lagi banyak LOL
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so just same problem, but you dun actually know if it is as much as previous models la.

As far as you know, maybe the amount of power windows complaints is the same as Toyota's?

I'm sure you know sumthing that I don't, to come up with this particular reason.
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post May 7 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 7 2014, 06:32 PM)
Memory seats and sunroof consider high tech? Are they more difficult to implement than a new drivetrain? stability control? chassis design?

On engine options, again, how much resources does Proton have to maintain several engine production lines considering their market share? FC-wise I don't disagree, but neither do kimchis.
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basically every thing comes together and the end results are there to see.. you cant handle customer's demands in different regions how u gonna sell in volume which includes domestic and export market?
and if you dont see a mass market product in volume, your cost is gonna shoot up and become unprofitable.. so it's gonna be a downward spiral..
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post May 7 2014, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ May 7 2014, 06:35 PM)
basically every thing comes together and the end results are there to see.. you cant handle customer's demands in different regions how u gonna sell in volume which includes domestic and export market?
and if you dont see a mass market product in volume, your cost is gonna shoot up and become unprofitable.. so it's gonna be a downward spiral..
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You know I don't really disagree with you.

My questions was simply about technology since you brought it up. I understand where you are getting at.
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post May 7 2014, 06:38 PM

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Actualy ppl not happy with proton bcuz . proton got TONGKAT from gov and we we force to buy expensive car and yet they say we are not support them when the do not improve at all
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post May 7 2014, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 7 2014, 06:37 PM)
You know I don't really disagree with you.

My questions was simply about technology since you brought it up. I understand where you are getting at.
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smile.gif seriously to be in the game of making and selling cars requires to juggle so many aspect.. so if really kennot.. then is kennot liao..
(last time super demand for wira, I remember like 50k 1.6XLi in 1993 also can sell few K extra after used 1year) i think those years have passed..

so I dun mind, if lancer rebadge is 50-60k.. i also will support wan biggrin.gif

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post May 7 2014, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 7 2014, 06:38 PM)
same problem persists?

cannot fathom, drag Toyota...LoL...ya go blame Perodua again.

Bugatti low sales? Blame Rolls Royce.

Gila gila punya Potong. Sama2 bongok macam macainya juga...LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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thumbup.gif they only know to blame others whreelse no improvement.
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post May 7 2014, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud9Nos3 @ May 7 2014, 06:21 PM)
Just improve design and quality control la. Close apa so naive.. hire new ang mo designer
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Even with the best designer the "suppliers" won't be able to meet the manufacturing requirements.

It will end up looking boxy like preve's ultraman back light.

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