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 Apr 30 2014, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Apr 30 2014, 10:11 AM) Why would the government help AirAsia? Seems like the government hates AirAsia, based on all the arguments over KLIA2. The government hates Tony, not AA. If AA is in trouble and needs to fire its staff, I won't be surprised if the government step in. After all, AA staff are voters too. AA is becoming too big to fail  |
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Apr 30 2014, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Apr 29 2014, 08:19 PM) Still go for growth meh? Not all small cap lausai.. you need to see the difference. Small mid cap all lausai.. End of small cap stock era?   Growth is good at anytime... had a debate before with pinky on this.. |
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Apr 30 2014, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:47 AM) Not all small cap lausai.. you need to see the difference. so which small cap is not lausai....come2 give tips pls Growth is good at anytime... had a debate before with pinky on this..  |
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Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 30 2014, 10:17 AM) MAS does not have such a spiraling debt issue as AirAsia. Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore.IINM AirAsia recent plane order is more than 50 billion ringgit. 50 billion ringgit. AirAsia currently have 1 billion + cash... Cash is decreasing each quarter..... not an issue? Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em.  This post has been edited by gark: Apr 30 2014, 12:02 PM |
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Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(ciahcra @ Apr 30 2014, 11:52 AM) so which small cap is not lausai....come2 give tips pls Ask jonchai...  |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Ask jonchai... Why day day also me?   XingHe |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore. Interesting but it's still a rotten business to me. Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em. |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 30 2014, 12:09 PM) Why day day also me? XingHe  |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 30 2014, 12:13 PM) QUOTE Henan Xinghe Oil and Fat Co Ltd., is 91.15% owned by Supreme Global Group Ltd, a public company (linked to the Chinese government) which is majority controlled by Testa Holdings Ltd of China (wholly-owned company of Ms. Li Hui Jun, and Mr. Ma GuoLiang) Once completed in April 2014, Key West will become “Xinghe Holdings Bhd” and will also focus on producing palm oil for exportation to China Chinese groundnut oil production has been relatively unstable and peaked in 2002 at 2.4 million MTs. Since 2002, groundnut oil output has wavered between 1.8 and 2.2 million MTs per year. QUOTE SUPREME GLOBAL GROUP LIMITED also known as 廷譽集團有限公司 is a live business incorporated in Hong Kong on November 11, 2010. Their business is recorded as Local Company. It is not part of a group. The company has no filed accounts. The company was incorporated 4 years ago. This post has been edited by gark: Apr 30 2014, 12:27 PM |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 12:24 PM) Good investment |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 30 2014, 12:27 PM) Good investment |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 12:30 PM) Later another office bakar story.... Short sell now |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore. UNCLE GARK,Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em. You also Wings stock analysis.... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM) Short sell now Later office bakar story with monkey trapped inside.. |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 12:34 PM) Later office bakar story with monkey trapped inside.. Don't harm my monkey |
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Apr 30 2014, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore. KFC got wings Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em. |
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Apr 30 2014, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore. I just see again..Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em. Financial cost for recent fiscal year is 432 million.  |
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Apr 30 2014, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2014, 11:58 AM) Now purchasing plane model change already.. it is based on lease.. no one buys planes with cash anymore. One of the way to hide debt also Example.. Air Asia buy 1 plane for USD 300 million for example.. Air Asia does not hand the cheque to Airbus and take the plane. Instead Air Asia will 'lease' the plane for USD 300 million for 20 years for example, each year pay USD 15 mil in lease to Airbus. Technically the plane belong to Air Asia until expiry of lease when it will revert back to Airbus. Usually this is done with 0%-1% interest rate as incentive by airbus to sell more planes. As this is a long term lease, the asset is recorded and liabilities also but does not affect the actual cashflow. As long as profit generated per plane > lease payment per plane, they should be able to manage the cashflow. But then again... never buy anything with wings on 'em. |
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Apr 30 2014, 02:46 PM
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jerrychoo2004 you fatt tatt loh... buy homer yday at 0.75
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Apr 30 2014, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Apr 30 2014, 02:46 PM) jerrychoo2004 you fatt tatt loh... buy homer yday at 0.75 Why you so happy? Hehe |
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