Boon gor, mind to share what platform are you using for those charts & reports?
Looks comprehensive to me

Charts are from trading platform software.
Most brokerages have pretty good charting software.
Kenanga and Jupiter provides the same charts that I used.

Financial data are available fic with help of Uncle google.
Go search around..
You would find plenty like i3, malaysiastock etc etc

Thanks for the help!

Malton.. Malton... Malton...

Average down.. When is it going to move...

Waiting as well here. Be patient. I'm keeping an eye for long term as well.

How long u been holding?

Want sell off, but worried it start to wake up after I sell..

Be greedy when others are fearful

Ah FooFoo!!!!!!



I see you love investment quotes...

Here are more for you.... I think you would like this....

Think long-term.

If you aren’t willing to own a stock for ten years, don’t even think about owning it for ten minutes

When we own portions of outstanding businesses with outstanding managements, our favorite holding period is forever.

Whether we’re talking about socks or stocks, I like buying quality merchandise when it is marked down.

....and of course.............. BUY LOW SELL HIGH.

and These... LOL .... you probably no likey.

You don’t have to move at every opportunity.

You don’t have to be a genius to invest well.

Don’t be fooled by that Cinderella feeling you get from great returns.

Bad things aren’t obvious when times are good.

Don’t buy a stock just because everyone hates it.




Actually not too clever on which stock you are referring to.

Could it be KEN? or could it be NTPM?

I guess it's NTPM.

Correct ah?



I got one more opinion for your consideration.
Of course, you are always free to regard it as an opinion filled with fear.

NTPM was considered a consistent growth stock.
Growth was excellent the past 3 fiscal years.
I am sure you are aware of this fact, rite?

since 2002, profit went from 44mil > 49m > 53m.

That's a good set of numbers.

However with the last 2 set of DECLINING profits, current profits now have dropped to only 48m.

And as you are also aware, companies profits are gauged versus the same quarter period the previous year.
Yes, let's discount the current poor numbers and look ahead.

Why?

Comes next quarter in Nov, if you are a shareholder in NTPM, you MOST likely DO NOT want to see business articles from theEdge announcing profits report like how it did last Friday that NTPM profits PLUNGES some 41% blah blah blah......

So in Nov 2014, NTPM will be announcing profits for its Q2.

Let's see how much NTPM made for its 2013 Q2 numbers... cos THESE ARE THE NUMBERS that NTPM will be gauged on.....

pasting the same quarter report history of NTPM again....



we can see that last year... NTPM numbers were extremely GOOD.

It made 16 million in profit........

which means the coming quarter profit, NTPM must better 16 million profits....

That's a VERY HIGH BAR set.................

remember NTPM this quarter and posted a profit of only 9.8 million.

just imagine... even if NTPM profits improves to say 12 million..... those profits would still be less than what it achieved last year.

so if I was a gambling man... I would dare put 3 big sen... and bet that the next quarter... NTPM should see poorer/declining earnings too....

If wrong... I lose my big 3 sen lor.... hehe....

so would I be GREEDY and be FEARLESS and buy NTPM now????

hehe... I am a scaredy cat .... and I would say...... no.



and also not forgetting...
from the horses own mouth...
profits declined due to higher cost of raw material, labor and utilities, especially electricity and gas.
Source: http://theedgemalaysia.com/business-news/3...to-rm7-mil.html
I ask myself... are these problems temporary or are these issues gonna persist for quite some time in the future?



This post has been edited by Boon3: Sep 9 2014, 08:24 AM

Whats your holding period on average? I find myself holding close to 3 years for most of my investments and im thinking whether theres a way to have higher turnover k f stocks

boon, i agree with u. NTPM has been in this business for ages, when the profits decline by 40% the first thing in my mind is they fail to reduce the costs which was stated in their previous financial report that they had plans to reduce it. In addition, these costs are expected to increase due to the implementation of GST. I dont think their business is going to improve, but the chances of going down is very high.

Lastly, the personal care segment is the segment contribute positively and the key driver of pushing its net profits, however the revenue of its personal care segment has reduced (1.xx% if not mistaken).

Don sell sin la. Chill. Hold first.

I like your way of reasoning.
Keep it up.
As long as you make sound rational decisions with your stocks, you will do well.

Wah boon gor, good replies there.
Hope that the new factory in vietnam will translate better profit for NTPM. I will probably go in couples of lots first.
But the anti chinese sentiments probably affect the operation there too

Reduce in revenue indeed a really bad indicator ....even setting up new factory doesnt help to boost the company's revenue....

hopefully ah boon gor. i am always learning, especially from u.

they did mention in their last quarter reports that the new factory might be making losses in the next few years before making profits. On top of that, the losses are not significant which means that if they are doing good and making profits, it is also not significant as well.

just my 2 cent

Marilah paper trade DRBHCOM,

buy 2.35. sell 2.5. TP 2.55

trading buy, not a long term investment. FA is bad, but play according chart, maybe can earn some few piece of KFC, hopefully

The only bad thing about drbhicom is that they own proton. However there is expectation that the new proton Iriz can help turn around the loss making car manufacturer.

Reduce in revenue meh?
Typo is it?
I believe you meant reduce in PROFITS.


Be greedy when others are fearful.

Don't like that quote.
Often abused ...
Squashed, smashed, tossed around just like a roti canai maker.

I would change that quote to....

Despite others being fearful, if the REASONING are valid, then only then, one should be GREEDY like hell despite the popular opinion.

Your kind of setup.





I can see some reasons...

Got a the annual dividend due pretty soon....

Results isn't that BAD really....
some quarterly improvement in profits..
and valuations isn't excessive at all....

however.....
as it is....
based on the charts...

NO... I won't trade it..... not yet...... I will just wait and see how the chart develops first.....



it's a bit like your Censof thing....
there's other better options in the sector...

and for now....
Bjauto is a much, much better choice.

And again... this is where KNOWING some fundamentals help...

BJauto has a much, much better profit record now...
Profits are bang, bang sound.....
and this is clearly reflected in the chart....

Remember better profits is always a GOOD ingredient for a solid stock...
If you want to be a good trader....
know your fundamentals....
Good profits will always attract 'investors' to buy...
and this form of buying always will cause a good base building for the chart....

If you are a trader and you do not know what attracts buying to a stock....
this is like trading in the dark....
or trading without charts....



This post has been edited by Boon3: Sep 10 2014, 08:31 AM

What you think leh?