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 Monk Discussion V7, RoS:The perfection of Seven Sided Strike

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cowithgun
post Nov 11 2014, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(barca @ Nov 11 2014, 11:17 AM)
Cow Cow....barca want to upgrade my old monk

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/barca88...8/hero/26808256
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bro, u left monk for far too long shakehead.gif must upgrade everything!

Helm - Leoric's Crown / Eyes of Preskov / Sunwuko's Helm
Shoulder - Sunwuko's shoulder
Gloves - Sunwuko's gloves
Amulet - Sunwuko's amulet / Hellfire
Chest - Aughild's chest
Bracer - Aughild's bracer with 20% holy
Belt - The Witching Hour
Ring - SOJ + RORG
Pant - Blackthorn / Deepth Digger
Boot - Blacthorn / Crudest Boot
Weapon - The Flying Dragon

Skill, refer here:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry70134631
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 10 2014, 06:35 PM)
think D3 reached low season again... fewer people online these days... i need to catch up with my paragon level... spending too much time upgrading keys lately... slow already...

pub normal t6 rift = 82 (used to be 1000~)
bounty = 8
grift = 10

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normal bro.. its getting too bored already.. sigh..
cowithgun
post Nov 13 2014, 11:08 AM

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So quiet... like ghost town...

Why not discuss about the upcoming changes to Sunwuko and "Ramen" set?

New Sunwuko
2P: Casting Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light causes a decoy to spawn that taunts nearby enemies and then explodes for 1000% weapon damage.
4P: Enemies hit by the decoy explosion take 500% from your Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light abilities for 3 seconds.


My observation, the bad:
1. Genwuko is dead. Godamit.
2. No longer give 20% damage when using Daibo. Godamit! Lost DPS!
3. No longer tied to Holy damage. Re-farm / re-craft.
4. Less tanky since we no longer "should" spam mantra

The good:
1. All elements are possible
2. Can sync with Inna set (and Blackthorn if you so incline) which gives 4 mantra
3. DW is now viable with Sunwuko!

Most promising (theoretical) build atm:
1. Cinder-wuko - Fire bell monk
- Cindercoat - reduced fire skill resource by up to 30%! Add fire skill damage by 20%!
- Incense Torch of the Grand Temple - Increase WOL damage by 30%! Reduced spirit cost up to 50%!
- Together with Reduced resource in Paragon level, it is possible to build a non-spirit generator bell spamming Sunwuko!
- In fact, based on the new bonus is the Sunwuko, there is really does not make sense to use any generator.
- So, spirit region gears will be important too.
- Another item to keep for this build is T'Zo Krins Gaze - which can grant another 25% bell damage.
- Gameplay is mostly just spam bell! To hell with weak spirit generator sweat.gif

So, make sure you keep those cindercoat / Incense, etc just in case...

2. EP may make a come back
- Madstone...
- Especially with Gungdo gear which trigger EP in EP explosion. Too bad this will be season only.

New Ramen set
2-piece Set: The damage of your Spirit Generators is increased by 100%.
4-piece Set: The third hit from your Spirit Generators grants a charge of Dashing Strike and the amount of charges Dashing Strike can store is increased by 5.
6-piece Set: After using Dashing Strike, your Dashing Strike shocks all nearby enemies for 3000% weapon damage as Lightning.


Although I like to punch thing and DW, I really don't think this set can match Sunwuko. Generator, even with 100% buff and another 100% from Depth Digger, are still weak. Based on my testing with the 100% Depth digger previously. More importantly, I hate Ping pong play style, even more than Sunwuko mantra spamming.
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post Nov 13 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 13 2014, 11:08 AM)
New Ramen set
2-piece Set: The damage of your Spirit Generators is increased by 100%.
4-piece Set: The third hit from your Spirit Generators grants a charge of Dashing Strike and the amount of charges Dashing Strike can store is increased by 5.
6-piece Set: After using Dashing Strike, your Dashing Strike shocks all nearby enemies for 3000% weapon damage as Lightning.


Although I like to punch thing and DW, I really don't think this set can match Sunwuko. Generator, even with 100% buff and another 100% from Depth Digger, are still weak. Based on my testing with the 100% Depth digger previously. More importantly, I hate Ping pong play style, even more than Sunwuko mantra spamming.
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i'll still be going dual wield.
staff is just not my thing.

the irony of it all? i still haven't gotten my 6 piece raiment set bonus doh.gif
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post Nov 13 2014, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 13 2014, 11:18 AM)
i'll still be going dual wield.
staff is just not my thing.

the irony of it all? i still haven't gotten my 6 piece raiment set bonus doh.gif
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yeah, sometimes, fun factor is more important than efficiency.

saw u online the other day. smile.gif

ps: new Sunwuko set should be quite viable with DW as well.

This post has been edited by cowithgun: Nov 13 2014, 11:41 AM
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post Nov 13 2014, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 13 2014, 11:40 AM)
yeah, sometimes, fun factor is more important than efficiency.

saw u online the other day. smile.gif
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haha yea was testing out my graphic card... looks like the memory chips gotten too old to withstand stock factory OC doh.gif

needed to downclock it a bit which the latest evga precision don't support. had to dig out old version as i so ngam deleted it doh.gif

well, i'm still fairly amazed at my 7+ years old 8800ultra still can pump out 60fps albeit not on fully maxed settings.
December getting a new pc so can't wait to get everything maxed out laugh.gif

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LOL i don't even have full set bonus sunwuko even with RORG
so lol RNG

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metalfreak
post Nov 13 2014, 12:16 PM

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Guys, for Dual wielding monk...what should the build be? My monk..lightning monk

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post Nov 13 2014, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 13 2014, 11:18 AM)
i'll still be going dual wield.
staff is just not my thing.

the irony of it all? i still haven't gotten my 6 piece raiment set bonus doh.gif
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me too...still lacking one more piece from the set
and also, dual wielding is my thing...for me it looks cooler
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post Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Nov 13 2014, 12:16 PM)
Guys, for Dual wielding monk...what should the build be? My monk..lightning monk

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Best build atm is still genwuko (sunwuko + generator). This required The Flying Dragon.

You can build a DW Sunwuko setup too. It's not as good as using Daibo since you cannot benefit from the 20% damage in 2p Sunwuko, but the 3500% is still the best damage we have. Especially after the recent 2H patch, it is definitely better than DW. Slow attack speed is not really my thing too. With the proper skill (Siege the Initiative - 30%, Alacrity - 15%, Dashing Strike - Radiance 15%) you wont feel that slow. Things become very fun when FD proc as well.

If you still wanna go DW, you still can with Sunwuko, but limited to Holy element to further increase the damage of the proc.

If you must go with lightning build, you should go for Odyn Son + Thunderfury / WKL / SoH. Both weapon benefit from additional lightning damage. You should use Lightning rune Bell. It offers solid damage. Raiment of Thousand Storm should be the set you should aim for. It offers additional lightning damage and solid DS 3000% as lightning.




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post Nov 13 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM)
If you still wanna go DW, you still can with Sunwuko, but limited to Holy element to further increase the damage of the proc.
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Best weapon(s) for DW Sunwuko is the Akanesh, the Herald of Righteousness and obviously Skycutter since both of them always roll xx% Holy Element damage..

but FD+Sunwuko combat staff bonus.. outdamage DW anyday.. gonna miss FD Genwuko sad.gif
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post Nov 14 2014, 08:45 AM

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i'll stick with my won kim lau and thunderfury...or shard of hate...
which do you guys think is the best combination out of the three weapons?
with WKL i have a 80% lightning damage, without it only 64%
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post Nov 14 2014, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 14 2014, 08:45 AM)
i'll stick with my won kim lau and thunderfury...or shard of hate...
which do you guys think is the best combination out of the three weapons?
with WKL i have a 80% lightning damage, without it only 64%
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IMO, a +16% lightning damage in your WKL is pretty weak and not good enough for the proc in Shard of Hate. So, in this case, I would recommend Thunderfury + SoH. But if you can find Odyn Son (quite common), I think it's even better than SoH.
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 14 2014, 09:21 AM)
IMO, a +16% lightning damage in your WKL is pretty weak and not good enough for the proc in Shard of Hate. So, in this case, I would recommend Thunderfury + SoH. But if you can find Odyn Son (quite common), I think it's even better than SoH.
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so i should re-roll my WKL to 20% lightning then biggrin.gif

oh, what attribute does an odyn son has? i think i got one back then but salvaged it doh.gif
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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 14 2014, 09:35 AM)
so i should re-roll my WKL to 20% lightning then  biggrin.gif

oh, what attribute does an odyn son has? i think i got one back then but salvaged it  doh.gif
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WKL additional lightning damage can roll to 25%.

Odyn Son proc send a chain lightning that scale with your lightning damage, IAS, CDMG and CC. So, it's pretty strong, especially if you have high DPS.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/odyn-son

Another thing that make it better than SOH is that if there is only 1 target, all 3 hits from chain lightning goes to that guy.
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post Nov 14 2014, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 14 2014, 10:37 AM)
WKL additional lightning damage can roll to 25%.

Odyn Son proc send a chain lightning that scale with your lightning damage, IAS, CDMG and CC. So, it's pretty strong, especially if you have high DPS.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/odyn-son

Another thing that make it better than SOH is that if there is only 1 target, all 3 hits from chain lightning goes to that guy.
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oooh up to 25%..didn't know that
thank you very much for the info dude!!!
you're such a great help!

aggggh...still a long way to go to 5pm, i wanna play now! lol
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post Nov 17 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM)
Best build atm is still genwuko (sunwuko + generator). This required The Flying Dragon.

You can build a DW Sunwuko setup too. It's not as good as using Daibo since you cannot benefit from the 20% damage in 2p Sunwuko, but the 3500% is still the best damage we have. Especially after the recent 2H patch, it is definitely better than DW. Slow attack speed is not really my thing too. With the proper skill (Siege the Initiative - 30%, Alacrity - 15%, Dashing Strike - Radiance 15%) you wont feel that slow. Things become very fun when FD proc as well.

If you still wanna go DW, you still can with Sunwuko, but limited to Holy element to further increase the damage of the proc.

If you must go with lightning build, you should go for Odyn Son + Thunderfury / WKL / SoH. Both weapon benefit from additional lightning damage. You should use Lightning rune Bell. It offers solid damage. Raiment of Thousand Storm should be the set you should aim for. It offers additional lightning damage and solid DS 3000% as lightning.
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Just saw your post bro. Thanks alot.

I'll be using Wizzie for awhile as my friend is also using wiz. Thanks alot cow biggrin.gif will keep these tips in mind

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM)
Best build atm is still genwuko (sunwuko + generator). This required The Flying Dragon.

You can build a DW Sunwuko setup too. It's not as good as using Daibo since you cannot benefit from the 20% damage in 2p Sunwuko, but the 3500% is still the best damage we have. Especially after the recent 2H patch, it is definitely better than DW. Slow attack speed is not really my thing too. With the proper skill (Siege the Initiative - 30%, Alacrity - 15%, Dashing Strike - Radiance 15%) you wont feel that slow. Things become very fun when FD proc as well.

If you still wanna go DW, you still can with Sunwuko, but limited to Holy element to further increase the damage of the proc.

If you must go with lightning build, you should go for Odyn Son + Thunderfury / WKL / SoH. Both weapon benefit from additional lightning damage. You should use Lightning rune Bell. It offers solid damage. Raiment of Thousand Storm should be the set you should aim for. It offers additional lightning damage and solid DS 3000% as lightning.
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oh...i should try this. i'm using LTK with the rune that stuns as my main spender
i've never used bells before. or do you think i should stick with the LTK?

i just completed the Raiment of Thousand Storm set and 145% additional lightning damage
i'm using Odyn son and WKL (i also have TF and SoH but not really sure what to use, can anyone advise)...what skill set would be best for me?
my current skill set: WotHF, DS, LTK, SW, epiphany, mantra of healing

monk sifus, pls help me maximize my monk. thanks in advance!


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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 17 2014, 12:10 PM)
oh...i should try this. i'm using LTK with the rune that stuns as my main spender
i've never used bells before. or do you think i should stick with the LTK?

i just completed the Raiment of Thousand Storm set and 145% additional lightning damage
i'm using Odyn son and WKL (i also have TF and SoH but not really sure what to use, can anyone advise)...what skill set would be best for me?
my current skill set: WotHF, DS,  LTK, SW, epiphany, mantra of healing

monk sifus, pls help me maximize my monk. thanks in advance!
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i was using LTK all the while, however if you look at raw dmg, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/active/wave-of-light wave of light - pillar of the ancient lightning rune will be better
LTK is 15%/spirit while lightning pillar is 18%/spirit ASSUMING your target takes the full 3 second area of effect damage over time (AOE DOT)

in high grift, chances are you'll be running/kiting a bit cuz monks are made from toufu.
pillar helps a ton on that even without the stun.
IINM the proc coeff on the AOE DOT is pretty nice also, meaning it'll help proc some of your effects, like my gogok legendary gem or wreath of lightning

That, and pillar aoe is quite huge.
LTK aoe/arc is just pathetic :/

here however shows LTK still being more preferable:
http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/monk
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 17 2014, 04:40 PM)
i was using LTK all the while, however if you look at raw dmg, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/active/wave-of-light wave of light - pillar of the ancient lightning rune will be better
LTK is 15%/spirit while lightning pillar is 18%/spirit ASSUMING your target takes the full 3 second area of effect damage over time (AOE DOT)

in high grift, chances are you'll be running/kiting a bit cuz monks are made from toufu.
pillar helps a ton on that even without the stun.
IINM the proc coeff on the AOE DOT is pretty nice also, meaning it'll help proc some of your effects, like my gogok legendary gem or wreath of lightning

That, and pillar aoe is quite huge.
LTK aoe/arc is just pathetic :/

here however shows LTK still being more preferable:
http://diablo.somepage.com/popular/monk
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hwow! now that's what i call a highly in-depth professional advice.
need to retweak my monk to become at par with monks like yours
thank you very much sifu rclxms.gif

i really laughed with your comment "monks are made from toufu" laugh.gif

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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 17 2014, 05:59 PM)
hwow! now that's what i call a highly in-depth professional advice.
need to retweak my monk to become at par with monks like yours
thank you very much sifu  rclxms.gif

i really laughed with your comment "monks are made from toufu"  laugh.gif
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my monk lauya only. toufu level. cannot even reach grift 30. cry.gif

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