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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Liv 0-2 Chel | Keep Going - YNWA

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post Apr 24 2014, 11:24 AM

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post Apr 24 2014, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 11:21 AM)
kop is the right hand side of main stand. Liverpool store and shankly stature at infront of main stand.
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thanks..so it is the nearest to main road...very very difficult to expand it
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(leftist @ Apr 24 2014, 11:24 AM)
thanks..so it is the nearest to main road...very very difficult to expand it
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Yup, I think there's no space left to do an expansion for the Kop stand
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:32 AM

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I think the KOP end should be left untouch save more maybe some decorative upgrades.
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Apr 24 2014, 11:30 AM)
Yup, I think there's no space left to do an expansion for the Kop stand
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the only hope if we want over 60k capacity is anfield road stand..adds up about 5k plus 59k thats 64k capacity..not too bad..pity the kop end cant expand further sad.gif
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post Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(leftist @ Apr 24 2014, 03:24 AM)
thanks..so it is the nearest to main road...very very difficult to expand it
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as far as I remember, the main road is locate at main stand and cetenerary stand. behind kop stand is house area and behind anfield road stand is small shop area (fish and chip). but that area need to develop. very dodgy

I think FSG want to expand it part by part. we will expand after we look the 59k revenue and ticket demand.
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Apr 23 2014, 04:58 PM)
3youth XL ,3M & 2L for now
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:22 PM)
Somewhat related to this article here about the importance of Director of Football in the modern era. DoF these days represent the philosophy of the club is trying to implement.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/14058?cc=4716

The punditocracy in England often claim that Directors of Football buy players a manager doesn't want and therefore interfere with his job. But a good Director of Football would be on the same wavelength with the manager because he would have had a hand in appointing him.

He would understand the profile of player the manager wants and present multiple options. Then they would choose together. As with all things, it's about getting the right guy for the job. A bad one won't help you -- but then neither will a bad manager -- while a good one will make a real, tangible difference.

A competent Director of Football would also be the perfect bridge between the first team and the Academy. Again, what's the better use of your manager's time: Working with his senior players or traipsing off to watch the U-21s and U-18s at every opportunity?

With a Director of Football at the top, you can create a situation where the guys running the Academy and the manager share the same philosophy, because it's also your philosophy. You can fully exploit what ought to be one of your clubs' biggest assets (and, historically, has been) by ensuring that the Academy produces the types of players the manager wants. And, if you get it right, that's exactly what will happen because the Director of Football, Academy director and manager will all have the same footballing philosophy.
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Most of the article articulated on the scouting & negotiating but for scouting u edi have Head scouts which normally need final say from manager whether he likes what he see & negotiating u have MD or whatever post so is DoF really needed?
As there's never 2 men with same taste, i doubt a DoF is really relevant & can share the same philosophy. Sure there's a lot of DoF working good but there's a lot not working as well. Take Barca DoF for now, how he fail to sign a CB is beyond everyone & he keep on harping about Barca no need new signings shocking.gif
How abt Man City? Their DoF came from Barca highly rated but apparently its not going well in MC.
How abt spurs, Their DoF appoint AVB & signed countless misfits but left AVB to dry. Did the Dof not responsible for the Spurs mess bearing in mind he chose most of the signings & AVB. Don't u think its a bit unfair for AVB as he bore the brunt of the axe but the responsiblity should be shared by DoF?
Point is DoF is just an redundant post as I can see, just like an agent. their role already covered by existing structure in a club organization. When a post responsibility blurred a clear hierachy, there'll be overlap of functions & there's where probs starts.
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
as far as I remember, the main road is locate at main stand and cetenerary stand. behind kop stand is house area and behind anfield road stand is small shop area (fish and chip). but that area need to develop. very dodgy

I think FSG want to expand it part by part. we will expand after we look the 59k revenue and ticket demand.
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thats what i rmb as well. Behind Kop should be houses. IIRC Kop been expand before unsure.gif
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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
Most of the article articulated on the scouting & negotiating but for scouting u edi have Head scouts which normally need final say from manager whether he likes what he see & negotiating u have MD or whatever post so is DoF really needed?
As there's never 2 men with same taste, i doubt a DoF is really relevant & can share the same philosophy. Sure there's a lot of DoF working good but there's a lot not working as well. Take Barca DoF for now, how he fail to sign a CB is beyond everyone & he keep on harping about Barca no need new signings shocking.gif
How abt Man City? Their DoF came from Barca highly rated but apparently its not going well in MC.
How abt spurs, Their DoF appoint AVB & signed countless misfits but left AVB to dry. Did the Dof not responsible for the Spurs mess bearing in mind he chose most of the signings & AVB. Don't u think its a bit unfair for AVB as he bore the brunt of the axe but the responsiblity should be shared by DoF?
Point is DoF is just an redundant post as I can see, just like an agent. their role already covered by existing structure in a club organization. When a post responsibility blurred a clear hierachy, there'll be overlap of functions & there's where probs starts.
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DoF is like purchasing department, he nego and can secretly earn commission yo.. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

Speaking of devil, spurs DoF D.Levy is one scumbag who did nothing to scout but always stealing our target. Like that i also know how to become DoF lar, i can always steal target from A.Madrid and Ajax coz for some reason they always got good players out of noway and did well for them. Then can sell higher place to earn money.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 24 2014, 11:58 AM)
DoF is like purchasing department, he nego and can secretly earn commission yo.. icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

Speaking of devil, spurs DoF D.Levy is one scumbag who did nothing to scout but always stealing our target. Like that i also know how to become DoF lar, i can always steal target from A.Madrid and Ajax coz for some reason they always got good players out of noway and did well for them. Then can sell higher place to earn money.
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Levy is their MD or something ...their DoF is Italian, Baldini if not mistaken
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
Most of the article articulated on the scouting & negotiating but for scouting u edi have Head scouts which normally need final say from manager whether he likes what he see & negotiating u have MD or whatever post so is DoF really needed?
As there's never 2 men with same taste, i doubt a DoF is really relevant & can share the same philosophy. Sure there's a lot of DoF working good but there's a lot not working as well. Take Barca DoF for now, how he fail to sign a CB is beyond everyone & he keep on harping about Barca no need new signings shocking.gif
How abt Man City? Their DoF came from Barca highly rated but apparently its not going well in MC.
How abt spurs, Their DoF appoint AVB & signed countless misfits but left AVB to dry. Did the Dof not responsible for the Spurs mess bearing in mind he chose most of the signings & AVB. Don't u think its a bit unfair for AVB as he bore the brunt of the axe but the responsiblity should be shared by DoF?
Point is DoF is just an redundant post as I can see, just like an agent. their role already covered by existing structure in a club organization. When a post responsibility blurred a clear hierachy, there'll be overlap of functions & there's where probs starts.
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But think about this for a second, Rafa came in and ripped everything Houllier built apart. Rodgers came in and changed a lot of what Rafa built from scouting to the youth team. There is no continuation in that. Who is to say BR won't some day leave us and the foundation he is building here isn't left to rot by his successor? Of course there are bad DoFs so the important thing here is to appoint the right man.

We currently have this "transfer committee" to fill this role but this committee is made up of BR's backroom staff, head of scouting and performance analyst etc. Can you be sure that they won't follow BR out of the club when the time comes (hopefully not)?
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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 12:00 PM)
Levy is their MD or something ...their DoF is Italian, Baldini if not mistaken
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yeah i heard, but how come a director supersede DoF to sign players/coach? Head so big yet brain too small to scout players on their own?

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post Apr 24 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
as far as I remember, the main road is locate at main stand and cetenerary stand. behind kop stand is house area and behind anfield road stand is small shop area (fish and chip). but that area need to develop. very dodgy

I think FSG want to expand it part by part. we will expand after we look the 59k revenue and ticket demand.
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There is no need to wait and see as there the number currently stands at 28,000 on the waiting list. We should be able to fill a 70,000 seater with ease. Only question is how if at all possible can we further expand the stands. Some might not want The Kop changed but I don't see a problem with maybe adding one or maybe even two tiers to it if possible. That would be one intimidating wall of Red.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 24 2014, 12:11 PM)
But think about this for a second, Rafa came in and ripped everything Houllier built apart. Rodgers came in and changed a lot of what Rafa built from scouting to the youth team. There is no continuation in that. Who is to say BR won't some day leave us and the foundation he is building here isn't left to rot by his successor? Of course there are bad DoFs so the important thing here is to appoint the right man.

We currently have this "transfer committee" to fill this role but this committee is made up of BR's backroom staff, head of scouting and performance analyst etc. Can you be sure that they won't follow BR out of the club when the time comes (hopefully not)?
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I can asked abt the same thing abt DoF...every DoF have their own way. What if they left? Its just a cycle that's to be accepted. I'm afraid there's no rught DoF as well as Mgr.
Everyone one have their own idea, that's the way it is unless a club make their structure so rigid that everyone have specific roles. The fame Barca system where everything is in house also faced these problems.
As for the transfer committee probs, the next mgr coming in will have new staff but tell me which club dont? Moyes replaced all the existing coaches but which new mgr doesn't? All mgr want their own types of players & staff. That is why constantly there'll be changes as football nowadays is dynamic. Imagine if we still stuck under 442 like Woy.
Anyway the point i like to stress is the post of DoF is redundant at least in British clubs structure
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 24 2014, 04:21 AM)
There is no need to wait and see as there the number currently stands at 28,000 on the waiting list. We should be able to fill a 70,000 seater with ease. Only question is how if at all possible can we further expand the stands. Some might not want The Kop changed but I don't see a problem with maybe adding one or maybe even two tiers to it if possible. That would be one intimidating wall of Red.
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they wont change the Kop Stand image 1 tier stand. its part of our tradition.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 12:23 PM)
I can asked abt the same thing abt DoF...every DoF have their own way. What if they left? Its just a cycle that's to be accepted. I'm afraid there's no rught DoF as well as Mgr.
Everyone one have their own idea, that's the way it is unless a club make their structure so rigid that everyone have specific roles. The fame Barca system where everything is in house also faced these problems.
As for the transfer committee probs, the next mgr coming in will have new staff but tell me which club dont? Moyes replaced all the existing coaches but which new mgr doesn't? All mgr want their own types of players & staff. That is why constantly there'll be changes as football nowadays is dynamic. Imagine if we still stuck under 442 like Woy. 
Anyway the point i like to stress is the post of DoF is redundant at least in British clubs structure
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That is why I feel appointments of Spurs and City are bad. Ideally you would want someone from the club and has played the game. Examples being Bayern, BVB and Barca.

After Paisley's retirement as manager he was appointed as a director and served as an advisor to King Kenny. Guess what? He lasted in this role until 1992. This coinciding with Dalglish's departure started the rot at our club. Somewhere along the way in the subsequent years we forget how to play the "Liverpool Way". This would in theory not happen if there is a DoF to ensure the continuation of this including appointing managers and signing players that fit our philosophy. But that was in theory so like you said it might not work for British club structures as we appoint "managers" instead of "head coaches/trainers".

I hope maybe someday Stevie would assume this role for us if he decides not to venture into a coaching career.
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 24 2014, 10:11 AM)
Does anyone know if the Centenary Stand and the Kop is expandable? If so is it in the pipeline to renovate those parts in the future? 59000 seems a little lacking to be honest. Was expecting a minimum of 65000 to be compete with the big boys.
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our ticket demand wasnt that high. 59000 is more than enuf
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 12:24 PM)
they wont change the Kop Stand image 1 tier stand. its part of our tradition.
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Is it possible to make it taller though? A steeper slope maybe.

QUOTE(RyanHo @ Apr 24 2014, 12:41 PM)
our ticket demand wasnt that high. 59000 is more than enuf
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Ayre said there is 28,000 on waiting list. The demand is there. 45,000 + 28,000. You do the math. biggrin.gif

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