so you believe prophet (messenger of God) still exist today?

I do think that we don't need the dead to be alive for people to have faith in God and Jesus. I think our testimony (the changes after we become Christian) should give faith to unbelievers.

Actually, this is be pretty scary too as I try to imagine it and could be make me wonder this alive from dead person is it from God or from satan.

btw what's thou and believest?

Paul wrote 13-14 books wo. Paul might look like serious, no-nonsense guy, direct but I believe he is also got other good quality like loving and encouraging too. For example 1 Co 13 and whenever he start his letter he usually start with encouragement to the church brothers and sisters although after that he taruk kaw kaw also on their sins (ie Corinth church) but out of love la

Paul played both 'father' (hardline, discipline, rebuke) and 'mother' (loving, encouarging) role to the churches he ministered - 1 Thessalonians 2: 7-12

Just as a nursing mother cares for her children, 8so we cared for you. Because we loved you so much, we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well. 9Surely you remember, brothers and sisters, our toil and hardship; we worked night and day in order not to be a burden to anyone while we preached the gospel of God to you. 10You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed. 11For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, 12encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 20 2014, 05:38 PM

Got ah? where? share it

Gal 6: 11 ? See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 20 2014, 05:41 PM

Seem like prophesying and preaching are used as the same definition

But isn't it prophesying is only by prophet? But there is no more prophet already lo nowadays. No need prohet already now since got complete bible already.

All these temporary spiritual gift has ceased liao. I wonder faith is

Anyway, if you continue to read it at chapter 13:

1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease ; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Galatians 6 - Doing Good to All
6 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5 for each one should carry their own load. 6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor.

7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.


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Ephesians 4:15New International Version (NIV)

15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ


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Sometimes we think that we are doing the right by being direct but actually we are rather blunt (rude and insensitive). The bible teaches us to speak the truth. Yes we don't sugar-coat it but it didn't end there, it continues to say that to speak the truth IN LOVE. Meaning as we speak the truth, we also also give an assurance that we do it out of love, the let another person to realize some blind spot perhaps and not out of self-righteousness or emotion (ie anger).

Although some information maybe distorted or 'discounted' when texting online (without communicating through face-to-face (best medium)), we can still sense whether the words(text) came out is it out of love or without (harsh). Just to share my tot

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 20 2014, 10:38 PM

Why so much intense fighting le? When want to stop?

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 21 2014, 04:27 PM

Ephesians 4
26 “In your anger do not sin”[d]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Ephesians 6 - The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

My reply on this at https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry70986571 but then some got different conviction here.

yeah those spiritual gift are gone. but then since this topic is denomination dependent and thread is denomination neutral, I guess it is better not to refute too much here. refute face to face better and more effective imo

I have to add, after listening from men, examine, cross check and compare with bible just like the bereans- acts 17:11

got mine too :-D

interesting. didn't know this.:-D

just to clarify, speak in tongue = speak in different language right? ie I speak Cantonese. but when I pray, I pray in English. so can I say I pray in tongue (different language)?