all the verses above speak about the rapture of the church. NOT the 2nd coming of Christ.

In fact, we r told exactly when is the 2nd coming of Christ......at the end of the 7 yrs of tribulation when Christ    finally sets foot on the Mount of Olives.

Who is this rick warren? Did Jesus elect him to represent christianity, and we need to listen and believe this person? Fact is he is just another fallible human being like me and u.

Must be a good book. I long time never refer any type of motivational books or whatever. Bible is our main source for anything concerning our life. However as a fallible person meself, i found the issue surrounding divorce in the bible as very very distrubing... im a bit dejected if u know what i mean...

Thanks. The passage in Matthew 19:7-11

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

I admit these are pretty hard for me to accept. Relationship is a very complicated stuff. There are so many situations where a divorce is the only answer. Why did Jesus give no specific details on what are permissible and what are not? How about abusive relationship and a christian suffers a lot just because she does not want to disobey Jesus? What is your view? I have look for years for answers..

Its not about reconciliation, but both sides agreed to separate and remain best friend. Accepting the fact that in future they may remarried (or coupled w/o marrying) to different partners. Will that be wrong if the separation does not affect others since maybe they don't have children? Let's face this honestly, can a person remain interested to the same partner till death do us part? church teaching is extremely unhelpful, in fact this is the main reason why many potentially good people shy away from God, due to the insistence and the rigidness of the church.

I recognize grave sin, that which cause pain and suffering to others. But this type of 'sin' is nowhere near the level in which could incure the wrath of God. And remember the last word Jesus said,

"The one who can accept this should accept it."

Lord Jesus Chris is more accomodating than we thought. However I just have that nagging little doubt in me about all these and it disturbs me a lot.

Instead, we must revered Salvation. Salvation is not a cheap, easy-to-get, can get whenever and wherever we choose to mechanism for a christian to get away with most things, even sinning blatantly towards God. Because their idea is God is always forgiving right? No... Remember the sacrifice Jesus made is extremely invaluable, so we cannot just call his sacrifice easy and cheap.

Salvation is a one of situation, once in a lifetime chance. There is no second chance. To reject salvation after receiving it is to insult God, thus His Spirit thus whoever does this is sure to receive Hell.

Well if you completely agree that God's love is unconditional then why do you insist on putting conditions as above?
Don't you agree when you agree one thing but do the opposite you contradict your own believe?
Do you know what lead him to repentance?

Luke 15:17
17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death!

His stomach is the driving objective to come back. It's there. Read it again.
I've studied this theological aspect for the longest time.

And Do you know when you said the prodigal son returned justified because he wanted to be a hired servant not as a son, do you know that displeases the father very much?
I've proved it to you, have you read the part where I explained about the older brother?

What do you mean by rejecting Salvation? Do you understand meaning of the scripture that's tied to that context?

Yes I know Salvation is not cheap, I've share that myself in my previous post but that doesn't mean you can put up rules and regulations when God never imposed such.
That is rather dangerous my friend.

BTW when you talked about repentance being repeated because one is insincere, do you agree that a believer is unable to repent on his own strength?

Come, Share with unker UW.
Don't get angry bro, I'm here to share and learn from you as well.

Yeah,

Our Flesh have this tendency for legalism, self punishment and everything that's destructive.

For the longest time, I've never understood until Romans 8:2-3 (NIV) explains it - because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death*. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,

*The Flesh works in the Law of Sin and Death.

The unconditional love of God applies only to the right person who God selected for salvation. Not everyone.

John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

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What evidence is that?

why do you say that?

I really couldn't follow it anymore after a while. Sorry if I misunderstood or offended anyone >_<

A wonderful Elder named Jono passed away today from Colon Cancer complications. Rest in Peace.

Now One of my Elder/deacon in ICU, Stroke. 

but if you can give me a summary........it'll be good.