Yeah Teknology Park Malaysia (TPM) , Bukit Jalil. Occassional travel to my HQ at Sri Damansara.

Actually too free! Good thing is I can learn what I want to learn. Bad thing is if company got crisis or cut head count, I guess I will be the first candidate

many like banking related products like payment router, payment gateway, terminal solution and etc

today el. car rosak, engine light warning already. perodua mechanic said wayar rosak. part cost rm350. now going to normal mechanic to quote. hopeful ly won't cause a bomb.

actually I wonder why he kena suspend instead of the 'troll provoker'

you and deadlock same cell group? :-)

Maybe another possibility is psychological/mental disorder issue.

how serious is the person who cause division in the church?

tak boleh tahan theaccountant liao. ok la I take a break from this thread for a week like that first. catch up with u all next time ya

One week has pass already?

Hi simpletraveler may I know your religion and your intention of posting in this thread? To create negativity on christianity over here?

I realize that some are here to tear down this thread rather than build up.

Romans 16: 17 - I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.

Indeed is very serious. But first, need to clarify one thing first, whether that person is a christian. And we know christian belong to a church (body of Christ). If in the first place, that person is NOT a christian, then this person does not belong to a church. So what that person did is as described below:

Matt. 7:15, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Even in the early days of the fledgling church, the Apostle Paul said this, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.", Acts 20:29-30.

In this case, the church leadership is to warn the member of the church to protect the church from that person. Otherwise, that person can continue to poison more and more to lead them astray from the church.

Second scenario is let's say that person is a christian or still a member of that church, the church leadership will talk, admonish and perhaps rebuke that person if that person continue to cause division. and if after much rebuke that person still do cause division, the church leadership will take discipline action (ie expel him/her from the church).

Of course that applies to church but not able to do the same in this thread So the reader in this thread need to make your own logical judgement, who is/are the person who cause division among christian vs who are the person who build up one another.

As I have mentioned sometimes it is not easy to identify who is who. But what I have learn is one obvious way to identify them is by finding out the intention of that person saying such thing. Is this person saying this thing to help to build up the other person or to tear down Christianity? If that person want to give input to help or build up another person out of love, it should be done privately (PM) unless the recipient does not want to listen in privately.

I don't think TS (UW) start this thread have any kinds of argument to defend Christianity nor to argue over various denomination differences. If you wish to do so, you may start a new thread, just like that you did for starting your thread - https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3260523.

I went back to her first post of this thread and I quote some over here:

Yes the bible did say also better open rebuke than hidden love. I am not saying that we should be people pleaser nor conflict avoider. What I am saying is by now, we should be able to distinguish who are here to tear down vs those who are we to build up. I would see that those who just criticize another person all the way (100%) are those who tear down another person or even Christianity reputation. I think so far, I haven't seen TheAccountant said anything positive to those he constantly criticize.

Again, there are many ways to give input to another person. We can purposely do it publicly to put the other person down. We can do it privately out of love and sensitivity for that person's feeling. We can teach, we can correct, we can rebuke, we can spur, we can inspire, we can encourage, we can build up, we can even do nothing but by showing personal example. But some person seems to be just rebuke 100% and never encourage. Imagine one day, when we have a family, how do the child feel if his father/mother only rebuke and not encouragement or assurance of love? This kind of so called rebuke does not reflect the rebuke out of love but rebuke out of anger/bitterness/frustration.

There is a difference between blind spot and refusal to take input. All of us might have blind spot that when people point of our blind spot with respect and sensitivity, this actually bring good to that person who receive it. Sometimes even though we have pointed out something, people could not still see it. It's ok because that person might need more time to realize it.

Actually we also have our own blind spot too - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window. They said men tend to have lower self-awareness which mean bigger blind spot quadrant.

so start from now prophetjul and UW can shake hand already?

Maybe you both should come out yum cha. Sometimes exchanging words in the Internet can cause misunderstanding and miscommunication one.

I think difference denomination is different over here. For the charismatic church they do but some non-charismatic church do not.

It is better to 'settle' among each other in PM?

In this case, maybe we can share to help them. But not sure if they are open for it or not

Maybe on long block leave or long vacation is it?

one way is Click the "PM" at the bottom of username on the left side of the post.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 30 2014, 11:08 AM

PHD at so young age

PHD major in?