Yeah, not a good idea to argue about this over here.

UW, you work full time for church?

I think go full time not necessarily need to study bible college. Maybe some churches doesn't need that theology paper qualification

True also. I think you also a theology graduates, right?

wow, didn't realize this way to analyze. i think our church is more toward population. to send church to highest population cities first. nice one

What happened that time?

Just wondering, will you struggle financially? I think usually full time minister has a lower pay compare to work for corporate.

I think of the challenges in our country is that Malaysian muslim cannot be reached out (or converted) to and majority (60%) are Malay here. Pray that one day there will be changes of law in this country. But I heard there are some underground muslim converted Christian here.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 19 2014, 04:56 PM

Now i realize that got de_luffy and de1929. Looks similar

is this considered as superstitious? :-D I think devil is everyway

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 19 2014, 10:04 PM

So you believe that without proper medication/treatment (conventional or alternative way), any types of diseases / health issues can be cured just by prayer?

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 19 2014, 10:50 PM

Scoliosis in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) is caused by kidneys. Bcoz TCM theory says kidneys control bone. When u have weak kidneys u will develop bone disease. To treat scoliosis u must strengthen the kidneys first. But if too bad already the shape it cannot be rectified but it can only be prevented from further deterioration. In western medical definitely there is no cure bcoz they don't even know the cause.

Myself is more toward nutrition and wellness holistic. Next month or so, I should be starting my one-year Diploma in Nutrition already. My partner is specialized in TCM diagnosis which I do learn from him. If you want to consult him, it is FOC. PM me if you need his contact.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 21 2014, 11:06 PM

Hi guys, let's build up one another la. If anyone wrong, can speak the truth in love.

Yeah. Hopefully you and TheAccountant can resolve the conflict soon.

That's right. Resolve personally in PM but I doubt theaccount wants to resolve from what I observe so far

Yeah, that's right.

TheAccount, this is what I observe so far. I might be wrong. So correct me if I am wrong.

You might have some input towards some people here perhaps including me. Just that, the way you deliver this input is rather blunt, harsh or without love. Some bitterness and negative thought toward some people are observed too

Yes, we shouldn't keep quiet or be people pleaser but God pleaser. But there is a fine line between just taruk kaw-kaw another person because you see wrong in another person vs you speak the truth with love (want the person to beaware of that person's mistake or blind spot and want that person to realize and change to be better).

And when we have done our part (say speak with truth in love) and that person still didn't see it, we just gotta continue to do so. Some people need more time to 'see' it. I take some long time to realize my sin of price (self justification) when my brother in christ pointed that to me.

And if that person after realize the mistake/sin, but still do not change, then we just need to pray for that person and surrender (this is because we could not control another person to change). Prayer could move people heart to change.

And while doing that (speak the truth in love to help another person), be aware of your own heart too. Be aware of not to fall into self-righteousness, proud, Matthew 7:2-4 and without grace and etc...

Galatians 6 (btw I read NIV) - Doing Good to All
6 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5 for each one should carry their own load. 6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor.

7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 24 2014, 11:03 AM

Tanker, save your breath