First of all, as much as I respect the developers, I am still not going to use a custom rom as my daily driver. I used my phone to do bank transactions a lot. Some of the apps require a phone that is not rooted. iianm, you cannot use google wallet with custom rom. Furthermore, I dont like to know that there are people who temper with my phone through kernals or roms. I know they are good people but I trust google more than the devs although that devs might be one of the google workers.

Secondly, yes, you can get some of the features from apps that are available in the app store. But some of them take a large amount of ram. I do not like the feeling that I have two apps for calendar (google calendar preinstalled and another calendar app that can satisfy my need). After all, the things that I required are very small but I prefer to have them if I have the option.

In addition, one of the reason why you choose this phone is to minimize the bloatware and if i cannot use the preinstalled email app, the app is a bloatware.

Dont get me wrong, the current available apps are really great and smooth and fast.

Now some people might have different choice and need and the above are just my opinions and wishlist. I also realized that this phone is really cheap compared to other high end phone.

Just like some of you have said, this is the wrong phone for me, and I think it probably is. But if google can just add these small things, I would be really happy.

First of all, as much as I respect the developers, I am still not going to use a custom rom as my daily driver. I used my phone to do bank transactions a lot. Some of the apps require a phone that is not rooted. iianm, you cannot use google wallet with custom rom. Furthermore, I dont like to know that there are people who temper with my phone through kernals or roms. I know they are good people but I trust google more than the devs although that devs might be one of the google workers.

Secondly, yes, you can get some of the features from apps that are available in the app store. But some of them take a large amount of ram. I do not like the feeling that I have two apps for calendar (google calendar preinstalled and another calendar app that can satisfy my need). After all, the things that I required are very small but I prefer to have them if I have the option.

In addition, one of the reason why you choose this phone is to minimize the bloatware and if i cannot use the preinstalled email app, the app is a bloatware.

Dont get me wrong, the current available apps are really great and smooth and fast.

Now some people might have different choice and need and the above are just my opinions and wishlist. I also realized that this phone is really cheap compared to other high end phone.

Just like some of you have said, this is the wrong phone for me, and I think it probably is. But if google can just add these small things, I would be really happy.

So much discussion 

My opinion.
S4/S5 : SUV loaded with body kit, neon light, spotlight, 12" TV, massage chair, shower curtain etc. It's certainly able to do alot that different people like, but unable to perform core function ( drive/ride ) well.

Nexus : Satria Neo S2000. No aircond, no infotainment system, no speaker etc. It's just concentrate on core function ( drive fast ).

Instead of buy loaded SUV and strip away things you dont like, I rather buy S2000 and add in functions I need. Nexus/stock android comes with core functions, many people wont like it as it lack many convenient things.

It's extremely difficult for manufacturers to predict which features/functions needed and more important. I think Samsung are smart to include everything you need and dont need, and public like it as there will be certain functions you specifically needed. It's not easy for manufacturers to produce perfect ( in fact it's impossible to suit everyone ), but I believe if they able to produce phone with few but great features, people might appreciate, as what I saw on HTC One M8.

ok, now everyone understand your needs. not only you, everyone also have many requirements but there is no perfect phone that able to meet every single of user requirements. most important thing needed come first, the rest just listed optional. so give and take...

for your case, if security is your first concern, why you bought nexus at the first place? which device have most secure feature offer now?

You can see (or PM him) infernoaswen's thread for nilkin glass sp

but what samsung does is too much.. who wants to have two app stores in one single phone? two music players, two on everything? that is why i went to choose nexus 5.

but now i realized that soft keys is not my cup of tea and no new phone comes with hardware buttons besides samsung (not sure with LG G2 or G3, need to test it, knock knock seems like a very useful feature), thus I probably have got to go with the new s5 or s4 after I got the money (which probably takes another 4-6 months, got other commitments) unless other people want to swap with my nexus.

BTW, how is the battery performs with official CM 11?

but what samsung does is too much.. who wants to have two app stores in one single phone? two music players, two on everything? that is why i went to choose nexus 5.

but now i realized that soft keys is not my cup of tea and no new phone comes with hardware buttons besides samsung (not sure with LG G2 or G3, need to test it, knock knock seems like a very useful feature), thus I probably have got to go with the new s5 or s4 after I got the money (which probably takes another 4-6 months, got other commitments) unless other people want to swap with my nexus.

BTW, how is the battery performs with official CM 11?

There's no such thing as a "perfect" phone. Comparing one to another will never end, just like comparing between Merc & BMW or Toyota & Honda or Ferrari & Lamborgini. At the end of the day u buy a phone that suits to your overall needs.

My first android phone was a Gnex & now on N5, I'm aware of its shortcomings (battery life, camera, speaker, no Micro SD card etc) before buying BUT it doesn't bother me as I'm a light user which battery life can last me for one full day, I don't take photo that much & I don't listen to music with my phone (my other gadjets will do the job for me), now still got 10GB of space on my white 16GB N5 .

At the price of RM1100 what more could I ask, after slapping it with Nillkin glass SP and Spigen casing walla .... whenever with friends most of them will ask "...phone ape ko pakai ni bro?, lain macam la pulak" my answer "rare tak?". This is just my personal reason for using N5 without going too deep with other criteria such as customization bla bala....

I guess once a Nexus always a Nexus.... cheriooo guys...

There's no such thing as a "perfect" phone. Comparing one to another will never end, just like comparing between Merc & BMW or Toyota & Honda or Ferrari & Lamborgini. At the end of the day u buy a phone that suits to your overall needs.

My first android phone was a Gnex & now on N5, I'm aware of its shortcomings (battery life, camera, speaker, no Micro SD card etc) before buying BUT it doesn't bother me as I'm a light user which battery life can last me for one full day, I don't take photo that much & I don't listen to music with my phone (my other gadjets will do the job for me), now still got 10GB of space on my white 16GB N5 .

At the price of RM1100 what more could I ask, after slapping it with Nillkin glass SP and Spigen casing walla .... whenever with friends most of them will ask "...phone ape ko pakai ni bro?, lain macam la pulak" my answer "rare tak?". This is just my personal reason for using N5 without going too deep with other criteria such as customization bla bala....

I guess once a Nexus always a Nexus.... cheriooo guys...

I'm in the night shift starting last night. And disappointed everytime I open this thread. No activity. Hahahahhaha.

how many of u guys use casing? suddenly i felt that ringke fusion is quite bulky.. and the size of nexus 5 is quite big.. anyone use nexus 4 before? how far is the different between n5 & n4? might find a smaller case or...

Really "jelly' of you guys' nexus 5 as you guys are getting the 4.4.3 update already while some other "Branded" and more Expensive "High End"Korean brand are still stuck with 4.3.

There's no such thing as a "perfect" phone. Comparing one to another will never end, just like comparing between Merc & BMW or Toyota & Honda or Ferrari & Lamborgini. At the end of the day u buy a phone that suits to your overall needs.

My first android phone was a Gnex & now on N5, I'm aware of its shortcomings (battery life, camera, speaker, no Micro SD card etc) before buying BUT it doesn't bother me as I'm a light user which battery life can last me for one full day, I don't take photo that much & I don't listen to music with my phone (my other gadjets will do the job for me), now still got 10GB of space on my white 16GB N5 .

At the price of RM1100 what more could I ask, after slapping it with Nillkin glass SP and Spigen casing walla .... whenever with friends most of them will ask "...phone ape ko pakai ni bro?, lain macam la pulak" my answer "rare tak?". This is just my personal reason for using N5 without going too deep with other criteria such as customization bla bala....

I guess once a Nexus always a Nexus.... cheriooo guys...

There's no such thing as a "perfect" phone. Comparing one to another will never end, just like comparing between Merc & BMW or Toyota & Honda or Ferrari & Lamborgini. At the end of the day u buy a phone that suits to your overall needs.

My first android phone was a Gnex & now on N5, I'm aware of its shortcomings (battery life, camera, speaker, no Micro SD card etc) before buying BUT it doesn't bother me as I'm a light user which battery life can last me for one full day, I don't take photo that much & I don't listen to music with my phone (my other gadjets will do the job for me), now still got 10GB of space on my white 16GB N5 .

At the price of RM1100 what more could I ask, after slapping it with Nillkin glass SP and Spigen casing walla .... whenever with friends most of them will ask "...phone ape ko pakai ni bro?, lain macam la pulak" my answer "rare tak?". This is just my personal reason for using N5 without going too deep with other criteria such as customization bla bala....

I guess once a Nexus always a Nexus.... cheriooo guys...

Nexus 5 is slightly bigger than nexus 4 only.

how many of u guys use casing? suddenly i felt that ringke fusion is quite bulky.. and the size of nexus 5 is quite big.. anyone use nexus 4 before? how far is the different between n5 & n4? might find a smaller case or...